Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: Plugabugz on May 07, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
Title: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Plugabugz on May 07, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8037688.stm
If there's one thing the recession is good for, it's cutting the fat. I'm not referring to how good a developer they are, but how good they are at functioning at a business.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 07, 2009, 09:49:49 AM
Don't worry, DNF will still be released.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2009, 12:21:55 PM
Yeah, but now I'll have to wait forever for it. :(
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
This company should have gone under regardless of any recession. When was the last time they released ANYTHING? When you work on the same game for ten years what do you expect?
It is kind of a bummer though as back when they were Apogee they made some really cool games. They were a big part of my childhood. Back when my Mom thought videogames were evil shareware PC games that I bought with my own money were my only real source of gaming at home. Apogee's games were some of the first games I ever put some serious playtime into.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 07, 2009, 12:57:36 PM
They weren't just doing DNF for all those years. I don't believe they were really working on it for the entire time, either. Mostly they worked in the background in a capacity I don't really understand (typically credited as "producer"). They were involved in the Max Payne games somehow, for example. The last game I know of they were involved with was Prey, so it has actually been a while.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
On another forum someboby pointed out that Duke Nukem Forever was in development for over HALF HIS LIFE. I never even thought of it like that before. When it was announced I was 15 years old. I'm now 27. It's mindboggling to think of all that has happened in my life in that period of time.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Plugabugz on May 07, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
On another forum someboby pointed out that Duke Nukem Forever was in development for over HALF HIS LIFE. I never even thought of it like that before. When it was announced I was 15 years old. I'm now 27. It's mindboggling to think of all that has happened in my life in that period of time.
If you look at it differently, all this has "happened"... yet have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2009, 04:38:42 PM
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If you look at it differently, all this has "happened"... yet have nothing to show for it.
What has nothing to show for it? 3D Realms? Or do you mean my life? ****, dude, don't depress me. :(
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Post by: Stratos on May 07, 2009, 06:12:07 PM
It's about time they got drug out behind the barn and put out of their misery.
I forgot they used to be Apogee. Maybe someone else will pick up the rights to their old properties because I loved the old Apogee games.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Plugabugz on May 07, 2009, 06:16:12 PM
If you look at it differently, all this has "happened"... yet have nothing to show for it.
What has nothing to show for it? 3D Realms? Or do you mean my life? ****, dude, don't depress me. :(
No... LOL. Them! 15 years of making something, and its for nothing now.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
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No... LOL. Them! 15 years of making something, and its for nothing now.
You're right. If anyone involved in that game truly was passionate about it then it would be depressing to have spent so long working on it only for it to now NEVER be finished. It's a really lousy feeling when you put a lot of time and effort into something and it ends up being for nothing. Though in my own experience I'm talking a few month's worth of investment. Over a decade? ****. But then DNF was in such development hell I wonder if anyone at 3D Realms was honestly thinking "damn it I just needed a little more time!"
What's scary is you look at Too Human, which went from the Playstation to the Gamecube to the Xbox 360 and looked like it would NEVER be released, and it's entire development occured WITHIN Duke Nukem Forever's. Too Human was announced TWO YEARS after DNF and ended up being released about 9 months before 3D Realms went under. DNF has to be the worst example of videogame development hell ever.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 07, 2009, 07:15:37 PM
laffo, what was taking them so long to finish the game?
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Post by: Stratos on May 07, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
laffo, what was taking them so long to finish the game?
I would imagine that one of the problems was that every time there was a major graphical jump they had to restructure the different engines that powered the game. I know in Too Human's case they switched engines at least twice and ended up scraping Unreal Engine (that was the one, right?) and built a new one from near scratch.
That takes time. Plus when you make the game look better you tend to have to make new models and better assets to fit in the better engine.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 07, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
So they were completely unrealistic.
They were constantly updating their assets and engines FOR FUN.
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Post by: Djunknown on May 07, 2009, 11:50:59 PM
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"Sadly, Duke Nukem Forever was the most aptly named title in the history of games. Now, it's just Duke Nukem Never."
Well, I'll always have my fond memories of the Duke Nukem games, even the original 2d side scrollers. Shadow Warrior and Blood were cool too.
Maybe the mod-community can pitch in and do what 3d realms couldn't?
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Post by: ThePerm on May 08, 2009, 01:55:50 AM
yeah, you know i always wonder what a game developed for 10 years in the future would be like. Predict what game hardware will be like, buy a bunch of super computers, develop the best damn game you can for that hardware and then when market hardware has caught up release it. That is a very hard plan to follow through with.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 08, 2009, 10:27:13 AM
I forgot they used to be Apogee. Maybe someone else will pick up the rights to their old properties because I loved the old Apogee games.
They spun off Apogee as a new company last year, and the official word in the article above is that Apogee is unaffected, which means the best trailer from last E3 was not made in vain.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
In Duke We Trust
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Ymeegod on May 08, 2009, 01:56:26 PM
What the fook did you expect? They spent all their time doing "background research" which spent slipping bills to underaged topless dancers at Mike's Bar. Or maybe they were waiting for another Evil Dead movie so they can copy the dialog.
At least they got the title right: Forever :)--it now replaces Daikatana as the biggest waste of time and money spent.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Ian Sane on May 08, 2009, 02:48:51 PM
I told my brother yesterday and he actually found the news depressing. Deep down he hoped that someday DNF would come out. Like he wasn't expecting it to or was anxiously waiting for it. It just sunk in that this game he really was looking forward to when he 12 years old is never coming out.
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Post by: EasyCure on May 08, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
I told my brother yesterday and he actually found the news depressing. Deep down he hoped that someday DNF would come out. Like he wasn't expecting it to or was anxiously waiting for it. It just sunk in that this game he really was looking forward to when he 12 years old is never coming out.
I laugh at your brother
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Post by: Smoke39 on May 08, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
My optimism for DNF was mostly killed when they started showing media of the latest reboot that revealed it to apparently be another colorless, plastic-looking piece of garbage like most FPSs seem to be these days, so I have a hard time particularly caring about 3DR's demise. I wish they'd finished the version of DNF that they showed off at E3 in 2001 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDlB2P1leRM).
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 11:43:38 PM
LOL! That could've been on GameCube!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2009, 12:00:30 AM
they could've made a sequel by now and called it Duke Nukem: Forever and a Day
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Mop it up on May 09, 2009, 12:08:03 AM
It's crazy to think that Duke Nukem Forever has been in development for over half of my lifetime. I can't imagine working on something for over a dozen years and not being able to finish it. That would be the worst sting for me.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Morari on May 10, 2009, 01:17:33 AM
Or maybe they were waiting for another Evil Dead movie so they can copy the dialog.
Only if Sam Raimi doesn't screw it up like he did with the Spider-Man films.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
I still believe Spiderman 3 wasn't his fault. The suits stepped in and demanded additions and subtractions on core elements of his movie. Venom was shoe horned in and certain things were cut out due for time, I don't blame him for the failure that was Venom and Spiderman 3
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 11, 2009, 12:06:08 PM
I saw some of the leaked footage. It looks like cheezy good fun. The entire project should be converted to Wii, scrapping the PC version. That way they'll save money and finish it by this Holiday season.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Dasmos on May 13, 2009, 01:45:49 AM
Yeah it looks pretty kick arse. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRnv_tFKStQ)
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2009, 06:04:22 PM
a fan made version should have been made, lol come on mod community
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Djunknown on May 15, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Djunknown on May 20, 2009, 01:22:47 AM
Just when you thought it was safe... (http://www.destructoid.com/3d-realms-is-still-alive-and-kicking-132613.phtml)
Talk about a state of flux.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Stratos on May 22, 2009, 02:22:34 AM
I want to know where 3DR got that $20m of their own to fund the perpetual development of DNF.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: ThePerm on May 22, 2009, 04:00:16 AM
is this all just marketing for the game?
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 22, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Yup.
Title: Forever Nukem Duke
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2009, 06:09:37 PM
Duke Nukem ForNever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FwGn2G7OVg&fmt=18)
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: Djunknown on June 13, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Its a shame. Looking from the footage, they were pretty far along. The throwback to the chaingun was awesome (though at this time, it might as well be new since its been so long...). While I don't expect the super-uber revolutionary FPS to end all FPS'es, it looked competent.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2009, 12:16:48 AM
10+ years of development is beyond ridiculous. I (and most people I suspect) stopped caring about the game many years ago and would only care if they ever actually finished it. 3D Realms have to be the most incompetent developers in the history of video games.
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: ThePerm on June 15, 2009, 06:05:48 PM
10+ years of development is beyond ridiculous. I (and most people I suspect) stopped caring about the game many years ago and would only care if they ever actually finished it. 3D Realms have to be the most incompetent developers in the history of video games.
the made duke nukem 3d which rocked..they can't be totally incompetant
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2009, 09:07:05 PM
Unfortunately I think most of the people who made Duke Nukem 3D left long ago. Maybe I should change my wording and say the current version of the studio is incompetent. Maybe they aren't incompetent, maybe they just like free money for doing nothing (like the people that duped investors into spending money on Vaporware like the Phantom).
Title: Re: 3D Realms go POP
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 15, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
3D Realms is the new Rare, except MS wasn't dumb enough to buy them too.
