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Title: Mario and Sonic at the Winter Games!!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
Teaser Trailer (http://Http://youtube.com/?v=HBJMkGrBeis) Press Release (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=72485) Well I enjoyed the first game.I thought it used the Wiimote/Nunchuck well in certain events such as Archery. With Balance board support this game could do well. What sports do you want to see? I am a fan of Luge and Skiing.
October 13th is the release date for the states and October 15th is the release date for Europe.
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Post by: SirSniffy on February 12, 2009, 02:37:17 PM
Nice. I enjoyed the ORIGINAL game. I used to play with my nephew. Not sure if I would get it for myself, cause I'd have nobody to play with.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2009, 02:48:17 PM
Well I enjoyed playing Summer games.I tried to get the records. Thats a great thing to do if you don't have many people around. I also remember Mario posting on here that it was at least a rent.After some impresions from the forum members I decided to get it. I enjoy it.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 12, 2009, 02:51:42 PM
I'm holding out for Mario & Sonic at the California Games.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 12, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
F*CK YEAH!
I loved "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games". Like Maxi, I worked hard towards breaking the world records and getting medals. It was insanely fun.
I hope this uses the balance board, especially since the first event we see in the teaser is the snowboard race.
EDIT: Never mind, just read the press release :)
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 12, 2009, 03:49:03 PM
I'm holding out for Mario & Sonic at the California Games.
I'm holding out for Mario & Sonic at the X Games.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 12, 2009, 05:01:26 PM
I thought the first game was kind of an underwhelming choice for the first ever Mario/Sonic team up but this seems like a perfectly logical sequel to make. Eh, why not?
The game would naturally take place in Vancouver which is kind of neat for a BC boy like me. But the important thing is this - will this effectively provide a Mario Hockey game? They don't mention it in the press release but to a Canadian that's largely the hook of the Winter Olympics in the first place.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 12, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Wouldn't Mario Hockey play a bit too much like Mario Strikers? I know that football and hockey have some differences but in a videogame those differences are less pronounced.
They have to have bobsledding in this, that would be a lot of fun.
I hope that the balance board is optional, especially since this is a multiplayer game.
However the game turns out, it had better have Toad and Birdo as playable characters. If it doesn't, well... that would just be BLASPHEMY!
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 12, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
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Wouldn't Mario Hockey play a bit too much like Mario Strikers? I know that football and hockey have some differences but in a videogame those differences are less pronounced.
Well if you're going to use that kind of logic why have different racing games for cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, gokarts, running, skiing, snowboarding, futuristic hovercars? They all revolve around being the fastest.
Hockey and soccer have different fanbases so I think it makes perfect sense to have some sort of Mario Hockey if you're going to continue to make Mario sports games. As similar as the games appear to be I don't know many hockey fans who are seriously interested in soccer. If there is worry that hockey is too regional of a sport to justify a Mario sports game then this Olympic game is a good way to provide a Mario Hockey to people who would want it in a package that will have more universal appeal because of the Olympic connection.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 12, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
Mario Hockey...
It would rock so hard if they had a fighting mini game in it. Like after a few foul plays the characters get angry and start to fight.
Title: Re: Mario and Sonic at the Winter Games!!
Post by: Mop it up on February 12, 2009, 05:56:56 PM
That is true, I suppose I didn't think that one through.
I don't want to see Mario characters fighting unless it is Smash Brothers. Besides, in the case of this game in question, I don't think Nintendo would like the thought of Sonic knocking the teeth out of Mario.
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Post by: Mikintosh on February 12, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
That is true, I suppose I didn't think that one through.
I don't want to see Mario characters fighting unless it is Smash Brothers. Besides, in the case of this game in question, I don't think Nintendo would like the thought of Sonic knocking the teeth out of Mario.
There wasn't any fighting in the Hockey game in Mario Party 5, so I think Nintendo feels alright leaving that out.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 12, 2009, 07:40:39 PM
That is true, I suppose I didn't think that one through.
I don't want to see Mario characters fighting unless it is Smash Brothers. Besides, in the case of this game in question, I don't think Nintendo would like the thought of Sonic knocking the teeth out of Mario.
If Next Level Games (the guys behind Mario Strikers Charged) made Mario Hockey rest assured they would give the Mario characters a lot of attitude and would create their take on hockey fighting.
Nintendo didn't have a problem with Waluigi's crotch chop celebration why should they be upset over slapstick?
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Post by: Mop it up on February 12, 2009, 08:17:09 PM
If Next Level Games (the guys behind Mario Strikers Charged) made Mario Hockey rest assured they would give the Mario characters a lot of attitude and would create their take on hockey fighting.
Nintendo didn't have a problem with Waluigi's crotch chop celebration why should they be upset over slapstick?
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Next Level Games should not be allowed anywhere near the Mario series ever again. Their take on the Mario universe is one of the most depressing things I have ever witnessed, it is truly disheartening to see them take something so innocent and turn it into... THAT. Not to mention that they obviously have never heard of the words "balance" or "strategy".
You know who else does crotch-chops in Mario Strikers Charged? Birdo. You can see it in the background of Waluigi's celebration if he's on his team.
Just to clarify, it wasn't the fighting I said that Nintendo would have a problem with, it is if it were graphically-depicted fighting between Mario and Sonic. I know they're in Smash together but that isn't anywhere near as brutal and gritty as hockey fighting can get.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2009, 09:28:49 PM
Well I just got Wii Fit and Wii Music.So I'm pretty prepared for this game and any other BB games like Skate it or any other games. Be back later.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 12, 2009, 09:37:16 PM
If Next Level Games (the guys behind Mario Strikers Charged) made Mario Hockey rest assured they would give the Mario characters a lot of attitude and would create their take on hockey fighting.
Nintendo didn't have a problem with Waluigi's crotch chop celebration why should they be upset over slapstick?
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Next Level Games should not be allowed anywhere near the Mario series ever again. Their take on the Mario universe is one of the most depressing things I have ever witnessed, it is truly disheartening to see them take something so innocent and turn it into... THAT. Not to mention that they obviously have never heard of the words "balance" or "strategy".
You know who else does crotch-chops in Mario Strikers Charged? Birdo. You can see it in the background of Waluigi's celebration if he's on his team.
Just to clarify, it wasn't the fighting I said that Nintendo would have a problem with, it is if it were graphically-depicted fighting between Mario and Sonic. I know they're in Smash together but that isn't anywhere near as brutal and gritty as hockey fighting can get.
I absolutely LOVE the Mario characters, yet I didn't have any issues with how Next Level Games presented them. In fact, I really liked it.
First of all, the only one that was edgy was Waluigi with his crotch chop. But everyone else just showed a funny competitive attitude which I enjoyed. The animation is amazing and there's this life usually missing from the other Mario games outside of the main platformers.
And I thought it was pretty balanced. Yeah, its far darker and edgier than the rainbow colored characters we are used to, but I still see a sense of fun in them.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 12, 2009, 10:21:16 PM
This has so much potential.
If you get a good arcade Hockey game, decent racing games, Figure Skating Dance type game, Some of the skate racing games that would behave like the swimming in the first.
You can have a great game. Hooray.
Title: Re: Mario and Sonic at the Winter Games!!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 12, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
If you get a good arcade Hockey game, decent racing games, Figure Skating Dance type game, Some of the skate racing games that would behave like the swimming in the first.
You can have a great game. Hooray.
I completely forgot about figure skating...
This should be epic.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2009, 12:14:05 AM
Yeah, its far darker and edgier than the rainbow colored characters we are used to, but I still see a sense of fun in them.
It is just a matter of personal taste. I find that any art style which uses dark colours and dramatic shading depresses me, and I've never really understood why. In something like a shooter, that kind of art style is okay because I don't want to have a big grin on my face (at least, not a happiness-induced grin ;D ). Certain games need to be cheerful or else I just can't get into them. It certainly isn't a bad thing that NLG wanted to create a different take on Mario characters, but what they've turned it into isn't for me and I don't want to see more of it.
I still play the game on occasion, I just can't take very much of it at one time. If it followed the more traditional Mario style and had less cheap tricks, it would have been a better game for me.
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Post by: Stratos on February 13, 2009, 12:37:11 AM
I would like to play the Cross-Country with Rifle shooting game (forgot it's name). Curling and Hockey would also rock. Curling on the old Nagano '98 Olympics N64 game became a staple at my house next to Mario Kart.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2009, 12:41:42 AM
Wouldn't Mario Hockey play a bit too much like Mario Strikers? I know that football and hockey have some differences but in a videogame those differences are less pronounced.
Football? In America, we speak American. Learn it.
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Post by: IceCold on February 13, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
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Wouldn't Mario Hockey play a bit too much like Mario Strikers? I know that football and hockey have some differences but in a videogame those differences are less pronounced.
I've written this before, but I'll say it again. Mario Strikers is more of an arcade hockey game than it is a soccer game. If you look at it, there's (how can you say "there are" ) so many similarities that it's uncanny. First, the hitting/bodychecking in general. You get a penalty (in this case you give the other team an item) for hitting them when they don't have the puck (ball). They even allow the split-second grace period to hit someone just after they've gotten rid of the ball without penalising you. Not to mention the walls around most of the stadiums that you can bash people into - just like boards in hockey.
There's lots of other stuff - the charging up (slapshot), the emphasis on rebounds and one-timers, the smaller nets, the fact that it's 4-on-4, the faster pace and smaller stadium, etc, etc. PLUS it's made in Canada by Next Level Games, AND the theme song sounds eerily like something out of "Hockey Night in Canada".
So my point is that a Mario Hockey game would be very similar to Strikers.. but I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
That was my point in a lot more words, Mario Strikers is such a contrived version of football that it's hardly even football anymore. It's like field hockey, with no skating and no sticks.
If there is a Mario Hockey (and I'd like to see it in some form), it would have to do something different other than simply adding items and skillshots into the mix. I'm not sure what they could do with it but I just hope it isn't a ripoff of Mario Strikers, especially since I'm not fond of that game.
Wouldn't Mario Hockey play a bit too much like Mario Strikers? I know that football and hockey have some differences but in a videogame those differences are less pronounced.
Football? In America, we speak American. Learn it.
On my planet, we give sports names which actually make sense. :P
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Post by: Stratos on February 13, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
I never understood why American Football was thusly named. You use your feet in a lot of sports like you do in football. Tackleball makes much more sense. Most people at my school almost exclusively call Soccer Football or Footy now.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 13, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
I never understood why American Football was thusly named. You use your feet in a lot of sports like you do in football. Tackleball makes much more sense. Most people at my school almost exclusively call Soccer Football or Footy now.
Wikipedia has an insightful, well referenced explanation:
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While it is widely believed that the word football, or "foot ball", originated in reference to the action of a foot kicking a ball, this may be a false etymology. An alternative explanation has it that the word originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot. These sports were usually played by peasants, as opposed to the horse-riding sports more often enjoyed by aristocrats. This explanation is supported by the fact that the word football has always implied a wide variety of games played on foot, not just those that revolved around kicking a ball. In some cases, the word has been applied to games which involved carrying a ball and specifically banned kicking.
In addition, the word "soccer" was coined in England in a slang pattern associated with Oxford.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2009, 07:59:39 PM
I always assumed American Football is called such because it's derived from Rugby which itself was derived from Soccer/Football. Canadian Football actually pre-dates American Football which was introduced to Americans by McGill University in Montreal who challenged Harvard to a game. So blame us Canucks for calling that running/passing/yardage-gaining/very-little-kicking game "football".
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Post by: Stratos on February 13, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
I always assumed American Football is called such because it's derived from Rugby which itself was derived from Soccer/Football. Canadian Football actually pre-dates American Football which was introduced to Americans by McGill University in Montreal who challenged Harvard to a game. So blame us Canucks for calling that running/passing/yardage-gaining/very-little-kicking game "football".
I knew it, blame Canada! ;) Though don't forget tackling in your running/passing/yardage-gaining/very-little-kicking game "football".
And thanks for the little trivia/history lesson Ultimate P-B and Ian. I found it interesting. Good stuff to know when I talk to my mega sports fan friends.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
If this game doesn't have curling in it I'm going to start an Animal Crossing/Dead Rising style boycott thread in the funhouse. I'm a huge hockey fan but curling is the best part of the Winter Olympics.
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Post by: IceCold on February 15, 2009, 05:50:49 AM
Okay I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2009, 07:29:20 AM
I might not go through with the boycott, but I do seriously love curling, though I probably only like it more than hockey in the Olympics because I get hockey all the time and I only get Curling once every four years.
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Post by: Deguello on February 15, 2009, 08:31:02 AM
There's already a little curling microgame in Wario Ware: Smooth Moves. I can't imagine it being that hard to expand into a full-fledged game.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 19, 2009, 06:01:10 PM
This game will be of full failure, no matter what. Bet on it.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
Wait, what? You think it's going to be a failure? I thought you were looking forward to the game? What little we've seen so far looks pretty good to me.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 19, 2009, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: pap64
This game will be of full failure, no matter what. Bet on it.
It's reverse thinking.
Full failure really means massive success.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 19, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
Wait, what? You think it's going to be a failure? I thought you were looking forward to the game? What little we've seen so far looks pretty good to me.
I am looking forward to it. I am just doing my angry Wii fanboy thing and declare every Wii game a failure even before they are announced and say it will suck, cause angry Wii fanboys can predict the future like that.
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Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2009, 02:08:08 AM
I figured you meant it would have wonky motion controls and yet still sell a bajillion copies. My friend's folks only really want to play the Summer edition asside from Wii Sports. It is so strange.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 01, 2009, 11:23:33 PM
Speaking of Dream Events Sega have been working closely with Nintendo and have been granted much more freedom with them meaning more items will appear from Sonic and Mario’s world to be used in whatever bizarre races they have planned this time.
Sounds good. The first game wasn't fantastical enough.
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The Olympic Committee has been keeping a watchful eye over things as well dictating that the game must be referred to as the “Olympic Winter Games” rather than just the “Winter Olympics”
Well that explains the strange word order.
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Spectators look a lot livelier and less like cardboard cut-outs and character animation in general has improved to allow more expression in the cast.
Good to hear, the first game was pretty static and kind of stiff.
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During certain races you’re given the ability to ‘boost’ by tapping the A button on the Wii Remote. The animation is different for each character but is usually a throwback to the past. Sonic for example does a spindash while Tails lifts a few feet from the air and propels himself forwards with his twin tails. Mario on the other hand has a spinning move as last seen in Mario Galaxy and Luigi appears to shoot himself forwards out of an imaginary cannon as seen in Smash Bros.
Could be interesting.
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The outcome of the summer Olympics was kept ambiguous but for the Wii version of the sequel Sega is panning a ‘Festival Mode’. This mode pits the two teams against each other in two separate campaigns to decide an ultimate winner of the Olympic Winter Games.
Awesomesauce. In the first game, it didn't really feel like these were rivals competing with one another because they didn't interact. Does anyone remember the commercials for the first game where Mario and Sonic were always trying to hinder one another? That's what this game should be like.
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Post by: Stratos on May 02, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
I loved those commercials solely for the feelings of classic retro rivalry it stirred within me. I remember those days well.
I hope they do a new wave of those commercials.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 02, 2009, 08:01:50 PM
I loved those commercials solely for the feelings of classic retro rivalry it stirred within me. I remember those days well. I hope they do a new wave of those commercials.
Such commercials definitely helped sell the first game, but said feelings needs to exist in the game this time around.
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Post by: Stratos on May 03, 2009, 05:58:57 PM
I agree. That was one of the things that killed the game for me. Though it was mostly an inability to figure out the strange controls.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 03, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
I think the reason the rivalry between Mario and Sonic was tame in the final game was because the game promoted good sportsmanship and healthy competition between players. Yes, the commercials showed us a funny take on rivalry, but they were just that, commercials.
As for the controls, the problem was that some required precise timing and mastery. In my case I just said screw perfection and just had fun.
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Post by: Stratos on May 03, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
My sister did get the most fun out of the game because she always beat the rest of us. She mastered the controls the most.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 03, 2009, 08:38:39 PM
I was thinking of the jumping events which required you flick the remote at exactly the right moment and at the right speed.
Those were definitely tricky the first time I tried them. Now that I've figured out how they work though, they are easy. Not all of those games were difficult though; the very first time I played the Javelin Throw, I broke the world record.
I'm not sure what the problem is though. Isn't it a good thing that the controls have some skill development?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 03, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
I was thinking of the jumping events which required you flick the remote at exactly the right moment and at the right speed.
Those were definitely tricky the first time I tried them. Now that I've figured out how they work though, they are easy. Not all of those games were difficult though; the very first time I played the Javelin Throw, I broke the world record.
I'm not sure what the problem is though. Isn't it a good thing that the controls have some skill development?
I didn't have a problem with the controls, mind you. I was talking to Stratos who said he was having difficulty with the controls and stating that the only real issue is that some events require skill and timing, which as you said, isn't a problem for some.
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Post by: Stratos on May 04, 2009, 08:41:47 PM
Maybe I just need to spend more time trying to get a grasp on the controls. I can't for the life of me get any good rhythm going in the swimming one.
Maybe I just don't like losing to my 10-year old sister at a game :rolleyes:
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 04, 2009, 09:43:04 PM
In the swimming event there are different motions depending on what type of character you have. I found the trampoline the hardest event for me.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 13, 2009, 11:58:13 PM
Yeah I know, but the confirmation of figure skating still makes me happy because that's one of the events I wanted to see. But I think Birdo will be in the game because he was planned for the first one; there's still a lot of time before this game is released so we may not hear anything more for a while.
There was a fake picture of Birdo posted a couple of weeks ago. Here it is for those who are curious:
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 14, 2009, 12:41:38 AM
Well I hope Birdo is in the game. Needs more recognition.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 20, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
I revamped the OP with more info.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 20, 2009, 10:29:14 PM
Things are looking pretty grim for the two playable characters I wanted to see in the game.
It has already been confirmed that Toad is a referee again and won't be playable. I kind of figured that would be the case but I was still hoping.
Despite almost making it into the first game, it is starting to seem doubtful that Birdo will appear. The two slots she could have filled, Power and All-Around, have already been taken by other Mario representatives. However, I think she was going to be a Skill-type in the original, though I'm not sure. So I guess you never know.
