Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: EasyCure on October 25, 2008, 02:01:47 PM
Title: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 25, 2008, 02:01:47 PM
Kinda sucked. Am i the only one that was disappointed??
I won't say more, yet, so as not to spoil anything for those that haven't seen it. Discuss.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2008, 04:33:07 PM
All my friends are too chicken to see the damn movie with me. >:^|
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 25, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Unless they're very put off by gore there's really nothing to be scared about in this movie, or any saw movie for that matter... but this one even less so...
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: vudu on October 25, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
I'm disappointed--disappointed you spent money on this.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on October 25, 2008, 07:18:29 PM
Saw has sucked ever since the second one. The first one was only good because it was very original, otherwise it was a horribly acted, terribly scripted movie.
I knew this one was going to suck. In fact, my confidence in horror movies in general has wained.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 25, 2008, 08:01:27 PM
Saw has sucked ever since the second one. The first one was only good because it was very original, otherwise it was a horribly acted, terribly scripted movie.
I knew this one was going to suck. In fact, my confidence in horror movies in general has wained.
I completely agree with you. Yet i've already seen 3 and 4 and thought might as well see 5, even though i know a 6 is in the works. I've actually only seen this and 4 in theatres, every other movie in the series was on dvd that someone else bought.
Saw has sucked ever since the second one. The first one was only good because it was very original, otherwise it was a horribly acted, terribly scripted movie.
I knew this one was going to suck. In fact, my confidence in horror movies in general has wained.
2 had it's moments. Or moment. The bit where they huge guy chucked the junkie into the pit of needles. It was awesome.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: vudu on October 26, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
In that case I'm just disappointed you wasted two hours of your life on this.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: UncleBob on October 26, 2008, 12:38:35 PM
I've never seen a single Saw movie. I've wanted to see them - I assume there's *something* about them if they're making another... I just don't make time to see many movies anymore.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Adrock on October 26, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
I saw this today. Was pretty good until the end.
Summary of Saw films: 1. Bad guys win, good guys lose. Always. 2. F logic 3. F suspension of disbelief 4. F the viewer 5. Ironic outcome from 2 is rehashed in every subsequent installment 6. Answers = more questions 7. Plot twists make a flawed movie better (per everyone involved in production) 8. Question anything and Saw fans will b*tch you out (IMDB boards)
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Charbok on October 26, 2008, 09:08:29 PM
Summary of Saw films: 1. Bad guys win, good guys lose. Always. 2. F logic 3. F suspension of disbelief 4. F the viewer 5. Ironic outcome from 2 is rehashed in every subsequent installment 6. Answers = more questions 7. Plot twists make a flawed movie better (per everyone involved in production) 8. Question anything and Saw fans will b*tch you out (IMDB boards)
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Yea, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the SAW franchise.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Dasmos on October 27, 2008, 09:54:54 AM
I cannot wait until Saw VI. It's gonna be awesome!
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Deguello on October 27, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
Ebert would call these movie the textbook definition of "idiot plot." And also a Rube Goldberg machine.
Case in point: Saw II and the door key and the gun in the peephole. What amount of luck would be required for somebody the be turning a key near the ground and also be looking in a peephole at the same time. It's be bad enough if it was the guy turning the key, but he's actually on the ground and some other guy just goes "HURR Wonder what's on the other side of this peephole!"
If anything these movies are a treatise on American desire for violence, as they willfully destroy the plot on purpose in each movie, so the only reason anybody watches it is to see grue. It's actually somewhat disturbing.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Rhoq on October 27, 2008, 11:01:26 AM
Saw V was no better (and perhaps slightly worse) than Saw IV.
Killing-off "John" and condemning Tobin Bell to act in countless flashbacks through Saw VII was the worst decision they ever made.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 27, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
If anything these movies are a treatise on American desire for violence, as they willfully destroy the plot on purpose in each movie, so the only reason anybody watches it is to see grue. It's actually somewhat disturbing.
I'm not gonna lie, i enjoy the gore but i also enjoy the creativity that come with the traps, and wondering what sort of tricks are going to happen. Well i should day "DID" since they've become so uterly predictible after the 2nd movie.
Spoiler alert about Saw V/LONG RANT: I mean its one thing to be predictible but Saw 5 was just plain awful in that many things happened made no sense. I don't buy into the "oh wait till the next one!" answers cuz thats bullshit. They might answer a few questions raised in V but there are tons of little things that won't be explained because they're just stupid loopholes that anyone with a brain will notice, but the fans of the series won't.. or will just choose to ignore.
My main gripe is Straum or whatever his name is, goes on a quest to find and prove who Jigsaws other apprentice was, and he does so by tailing the othe detective guy. All this is AFTER he survives being put in that trap and giving himself a tracheotomy... and realizing that everyone was supposed to die and Hoffman would be the hero, right? They said it numerous times. If that was the case why would Hoffman strip Straum of his gun but not the pen? There was no recorder with a message to indicate what he would have to do to survive or why he was being punished, nor theme for his potential execution and that bothers me because its shown later on that Hoffman was compitent at setting traps up after learning all there is to learn from Jigsaw. Basically my question is: if Hoffman was so good at assuming peoples actions [at this point] why would he give anyone, especialy another detective*, a chance at surviving if "everyones supposed to die" and you'll "be the hero"?
*a friend tried to say that at that point of the movie, Hoffman didnt know Strauss knew or even had an idea that Hoffman was on to him, it wanst until after the fact when Perez mentioned it to Hoffman that he viewd Straum as a threat. I told him that was BS reasoning because, again, Hoffman should of known Straum as a detective would get to the bottom of things.
Then theres my issue with the ending. What if Straum did decide to get in the glass box and trust Hoffman? At first i thought maybe he'd let Straum escape and kill himself and put an end to the Jigsaw Murders, until i realized 2 things.
1. There's a Saw VI confirmed, and i knew this before V came out. 2. Hoffman never once mentioned intentions to stop, or even wanting to stop.
Another friend brought up a point where "maybe he woulda done it and wanted to die a hero" but thats BS too since Straum wouldn't let that happen.
Then i came up with something else.
What if the whole plan really was to lead Straum there, knowing he wouldnt trust Hoffman and try to force him in the box instead, then letting Straum die the way he did as he escapes to god knows where.. Was there really a need to frame him? By the end of the movie the FBI dude is positive that Straum was the Jigsaw Accomplice (lol even though he's the one who suggested it, way to "give yourself up") and theres no suspicion on Hoffman becuase the only person to rat him out is dead. So what comes after? Everyone assumes the Jigsaw Murders are done (for real this time) with no accomplice' left? Hoffman won't stop, obviously since theres another sequel out next year, so that pretty much made the whole two hours spend watching the movie (and lord knows how long it took to film and produce) a complete waste of time.
Blah i made myself angry replaying this stupid movie in my head.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Adrock on October 27, 2008, 07:19:57 PM
If anything these movies are a treatise on American desire for violence, as they willfully destroy the plot on purpose in each movie, so the only reason anybody watches it is to see grue. It's actually somewhat disturbing.
Can't really argue that. Personally, I find the mystery more intriguing than the traps, which have become nothing more than a pissing contest over who can think up a more wildly unbelievable killing mechanism with each new installment. The best part of V was Strahm's detective work, even though the audience knows who he's looking for.
The main problems with V (God, where to begin?): *SPOILER ALERT* (though I'm assuming by clicking this topic you've either seen the movie or don't care... - Exactly how the hell did Hoffman build such an elaborate first trap... especially when Jigsaw's own first trap was a chair with razor blades? - The line: "I am an investigative journalist for *point to Holy Jesus* 'The Herald.'" - The line: "Survival of the fittest, MY ASS!" - The half-assed explanation as to how Jigsaw can predict what people are going to do and how he has a tape prepared specifically for that person. - Hoffman framing Strahm in perhaps the dumbest way imaginable and everyone falls for it despite how desperately flawed and non-sensical it is: Hoffman steals Strahm's confiscated cell phone from the evidence room, calls Strahm's boss then hangs up right away, turns off the phone, then turns it back on once he gets to his evil lair so the FBI can track it. So they mean to tell me that Strahm, who had evaded both the police and the FBI for months, steals his crime scene evidence cell phone and makes a dumbsh*t mistake like turning it on in his evil lair filled with top secret files and after absolutely no investigation whatsoever, everyone now collectively and unquestionably believes that Strahm is Jigsaw's apprentice. What the crap? - The subplot with the 5 people in the room had to nothing to do with the main plot. They never came together in any meaningful way. - That stupid last room with the moving walls which killed Strahm thus leaving no "good guys" for the sequel except Erickson who isn't interesting at all.
The main problem is that there are no surprises because the Saw films are so formulaic now. Saw 1 had a surprising if slightly implausible ending regardless of how hard the writers tried to justify it in Saw 3. Saw 2 was blissfully ironic, but by Saw 3 it became increasing obvious that the writers were just force feeding the non-traditional "bad guys win" ending which, ironically, has become cliche in the series because they did it too many times. The writers are so accustomed to implementing the twist ending that they forgot that a twist ending needs to be believable, not to mention surprising, for it to work.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: RABicle on October 29, 2008, 03:13:51 AM
You guys are still too hard on Saw. I mean, these films are the same genre as Halloween, Jason, Scream etc. Compared to these fucking atrocious movies the Saw series is a masterpiece. Yeah they've 'gotten worse' but it's really only the fact that by the 5th sequel, any movie series is formulaic.
And there is another 'good guy' left: Dr Lawrence Gordon.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on October 29, 2008, 07:13:44 PM
I'm sorry but Saw as a series is embarrassing when compared to good horror films like The Mist.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Dasmos on October 29, 2008, 08:37:10 PM
I'm sorry but Saw as a series is embarrassing when compared to good horror films like The Mist.
Gross. I mean, I hate Saw, but The Mist was worse.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on October 29, 2008, 09:04:24 PM
The Mist dealt with human relations just like Saw, but did it in a more convincing and real manner. Plius, it is WAY better written and way better visualized and filmed.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Dasmos on October 29, 2008, 09:23:50 PM
The Mist had obnoxious characters, a transparent plot and some of the worst CGI I have seen in long time.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on October 29, 2008, 10:01:17 PM
Whatever.....say what you want, but only one of our movies was directed by Frank Darabont....nuff said.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2008, 01:03:16 AM
The Mist wins for having the most ironic and depressing ending ever conceived.
And there is another 'good guy' left: Dr Lawrence Gordon.
Ugh, could they cocktease Dr. Gordon more? If they bring him back as the real apprentice like Saw fans have hypothosized for years, I will officially give up on horror movies forever.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 30, 2008, 10:36:03 AM
So.. Friday the 14th remake/reboot... eh?
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Dasmos on October 30, 2008, 11:28:14 AM
The Mist wins for having the most ironic and depressing ending ever conceived.
Yeah, even though I saw it coming the ending was pretty memorable.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on October 30, 2008, 11:46:22 AM
If I can help it, I always watch scary movies in one of two ways: 1. With a girl or 2. By myself.
Furthermore, I always watch the movie at home. I hate watching scary movies in the theater. I can never take the movie seriously and become truly immersed (which is the only way I become anxious or scared).
To come back to my point, I watched the Mist by myself in complete darkness on my projector.........high as ****, and I couldn't have enjoyed it more. It was a breath of fresh air in a stagnant genre. (FYI, This is the same way I play RE games as well)
There's only three scary movies in the past 3 years that I've liked and one is the Mist, the second is the Orphanage, and the third is this Japanese movie called the three extremes (not really scary, just twisted). That's pretty sad considering Horror is my favorite genre.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: EasyCure on October 30, 2008, 12:01:54 PM
And there is another 'good guy' left: Dr Lawrence Gordon.
Ugh, could they cocktease Dr. Gordon more? If they bring him back as the real apprentice like Saw fans have hypothosized for years, I will officially give up on horror movies forever.
The good doctor will come back with his peg leg and dominate. He'll put an end to Jigsaw's shenanigans once and for all.
There's only three scary movies in the past 3 years that I've liked and one is the Mist, the second is the Orphanage, and the third is this Japanese movie called the three extremes (not really scary, just twisted). That's pretty sad considering Horror is my favorite genre.
It is my patriotic duty to suggest Wolf Creek
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 01, 2008, 05:10:39 PM
All of the Saw movies are terrible. Granted, I haven't seen the third, fourth, or fifth, but the first two were god-awful. The third, fourth, and fifth sequels of GOOD movies are terrible, so I can't imagine Saw is any different.
If you kids are ready to grow up you can forget Saw and watch some heavy duty stuff, like Irreversible. Not that it's horror exactly, but let's face it, Saw is just shock BS and not horror.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Stogi on November 01, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Irreversible is a fucked up movie.
I suggest anybody watch Ravenous if you haven't. It's really good. The acting especially.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Spinnzilla on November 01, 2008, 10:58:50 PM
As I was walking down Alphabet St. with my buddy prince, I saw W.
aha.
Actually I haven't bothered to watch them past 3. 1 was good because it was pretty refreshing at the time. 2 was okay, but the acting killed it. 3, I could tell they were really just trying to gross you out now, with the whole trying to drown people in the pigs' guts and junk. Twas silly.
