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Title: DSi Announced
Post by: Kairon on October 02, 2008, 02:48:42 AM
A camera, audio playback, internal memory, downloadable software, SD card support, built-in browser, and much more inside.  It launches in Japan this November.
 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=16808

 Nintendo President Satoru Iwata didn't waste any time at the company's autumn press conference earlier today in Japan by announcing the Nintendo DSi, a new iteration of the Nintendo DS platform.  It will bring a lot of new features, all in an attempt to achieve Iwata's stated goal of having "one DS for one family."    


The DSi will have a built-in camera on the top lid, facing away from the player. This camera will have a resolution of 300,000 pixels (640x480).  Additionally, the DSi will have a second camera located on the hinge pointed towards the player. As rumors have speculated, the new DSi will also have AAC audio playback capabilities, and Iwata mentioned the hardware's specific ability to adjust the pitch and playback speed of audio at will. Iwata gave an example of how this could be useful by explaining that users might be studying a language via this function, or learning a song by ear.    


The DSi is 12% smaller than the DS Lite,  trimming off 2.6 millimeters in width thanks to the removal of the GBA cartridge slot. However, the screens on the DSi will increase to 3.25 inches in size.    


The DSi is compatible with SD cards, one use of which may be to transfer images from the DSi to the Wii. The DSi can have additional applications on the handheld, including a web browser application.    


DSi owners will also be able to download software from the Internet, much the same way Wii owners can.  In fact, Nintendo is naming this new service DSi Shop. It will be using Nintendo Points, which up until this point have just been referred to as Wii Points. Downloadable DSi titles will come in several cost categories: free, 200, 500, or 800 Points.  New users will find that each DSi purchased before March 2010 will come with 1000 free Nintendo Points.    


Nintendo will also be upgrading their Nintendo DS download stations in Japan to what it is calling the Nintendo Zone. This service will also be available at participating McDonald's restaurants in Japan.    


The DSi will launch in Japan on November 1, for 18,900 yen (about $180), and will be available in black and white.  Nintendo World Report will have more information and specifics about the Nintendo DSi at Nintendo's Fall Media Summit in San Francisco tomorrow, where Nintendo of America is expected to announce the portable for the U.S. market.    


UPDATE: Nintendo's DSi flash page confirms that the DSi will have two cameras.

Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Enner on October 02, 2008, 02:11:22 AM
Well, this sounds like a trendy little thing. The camera resolution is a bit disappointing and I wonder if there will be MP3 support. I wouldn't mind transcoding a playlist for the DSi, but it would be more convenient if it supported MP3s and maybe other formats.

Shame about the lose of the GBA slot (What about Guitar Hero on tour D:), but I'm eager to see what DSWare will bring.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: nickmitch on October 02, 2008, 02:51:50 AM
I honestly have no idea what to think of this.  I'll probably buy it, as I skipped on a DSLite, but I really don't need the camera or the AAC playback.  On the other hand, bigger screens and "DS Ware" can't possibly be passed up.  I guess instead of a new generation of hand held, we get this gen 2.0.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Stogi on October 02, 2008, 02:56:53 AM
Why change what isn't broken?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on October 02, 2008, 03:07:12 AM
Stogi, sales in Japan have slowed considerably because so many people already have a DS (or three).  Adding new features will entice some of those customers to pass along their old systems (helping the Blue Ocean strategy) and pay big bucks for the latest and greatest model.

I don't think losing the GBA slot is a big deal, but what were they thinking with that awful camera resolution?  DS Ware sounds great and opens the door for possible compatibility with Virtual Console titles (at least the older systems).
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2008, 05:26:47 AM
More like iDS, amirite?

AAC-only would be fail, everything I have is MP3 and OGG. Theonly feature I'm thinking about getting this over the Lite (I'm currently looking for an upgrade because my mother wants a DS) is the DS Ware thing but I wonder if that's really for games or only productivity apps.

I bet the 1000 points don't apply to European users who'll get 1000 stars instead (250 points)...

Jonny, the Blue Ocean phase 3 is "people who don't care about gaming at all".
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Kairon on October 02, 2008, 05:30:39 AM
I really, REALLY hope they give out those free starter points in the US as well. It's one of the things I had wanted them to do with the Wii.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Bayou on October 02, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
More like iDS, amirite?

AAC-only would be fail, everything I have is MP3 and OGG. Theonly feature I'm thinking about getting this over the Lite (I'm currently looking for an upgrade because my mother wants a DS) is the DS Ware thing but I wonder if that's really for games or only productivity apps.

I bet the 1000 points don't apply to European users who'll get 1000 stars instead (250 points)...

Jonny, the Blue Ocean phase 3 is "people who don't care about gaming at all".

I dunno KDR when one port appears while another port is dropped, it is a good bet that the next ports existence is in danger on the next iteration of Nintendo's handheld system, you could coneiveably now put all of the DS's software online and give out Npoints to those who hand in their old cartridges (which will be recycled of course...) to re aquire them, good chance is the cartridge may have seen its last days.... until they design SD cards with registries on them!

(see my post on WII memory solution)
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Shecky on October 02, 2008, 07:38:44 AM
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The DSi is compatible with SD cards, one use of which may be to transfer images from the DSi to the Wii. The DSi can have additional applications on the handheld, including a web browser application.

Be nice if that could be done wirelessly, but that would require the Wii to have some functional firmware software.

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DSi owners will also be able to download software from the Internet, much the same way Wii owners can. In fact, Nintendo is naming this new service DSi Shop. It will be using Nintendo Points, which up until this point have just been referred to as Wii Points. Downloadable DSi titles will come in several cost categories: free, 200, 500, or 800 Points. New users will find that each DSi purchased before March 2010 will come with 1000 free Nintendo Points.

I think apps like the web browser will be a) from Opera and b) 500 points.  That way Nintendo only has to subsidize the software for those who would actually want it.

Rumor had dual touch screens?  I'm guessing that feature is not present?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: ATimson on October 02, 2008, 07:40:02 AM
Shame about the lose of the GBA slot (What about Guitar Hero on tour D:), but I'm eager to see what DSWare will bring.
Not just Guitar Hero, but also the loss of the Rumble Pak.

Hopefully we'll still be able to use DS Ware by transferring it via Wifi from a Wii, because from where I sit this is a downgrade from my DS Phat. (Here I was, hoping that they'd come to their senses and let us use all GB carts now that they killed the GBA...)
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: AV on October 02, 2008, 08:01:46 AM
 Serious .3 megapixel. My God Nintendo is cheap. Apple Quicktake Camera in 1994 had equal resolution, really now using 14 Year old tech.
Any idea if it has internal rumble?
Any idea if you can play Wii Virtual Console games on it ?
Any idea if the graphics card is improved over the current DS in this machine ?
It can play ALL current DS games right ?
How much internal hardware space does it have ?
Are both screens touch or not ?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 02, 2008, 08:10:31 AM
This seriously better mean downloadable Gameboy/Color/Advance games through the DS store.

And even better, DSWare. Similar to WiiWare, same low entry point for small devs.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 02, 2008, 08:23:25 AM
0.3 pixels is for inside camera. The outside is 3.0.  The big deal is being able to play VC games on the DS with no need to buy again. I believe this is the reason the wont have SD wii stuff right until spring!
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: EasyCure on October 02, 2008, 10:01:40 AM
blah i tried so hard to believe this wouldnt be real....

I'll probably try and hold out till there are more colors than black and white, since i already have a black DSL, but if the DSWare features are too good from the get go i might have to snag one up at launch...

Damn nintendo really knows how to rob my money.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: D_Average on October 02, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
Adding a camera and mp3 player to boost sales in Japan seems rather odd to me.  Unless they're in the dark ages of technology I'm sure most of their cell phones already have this.

As for me, I'll take the ability to play GBA games over a redundant feature my cell phone already does better.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 02, 2008, 11:02:02 AM
1- The camera is more than enough for TV resolution, let alone DS resolution. 

2- Why is there no built-in accelerometer?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 02, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
2- Why is there no built-in accelerometer?

This is an EXCELLENT question. I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Pale on October 02, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
0.3 pixels is for inside camera. The outside is 3.0. 
This is an improtant bit of info if true... do you have a source?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: ATimson on October 02, 2008, 11:12:36 AM
Why is there no built-in accelerometer?
Because games couldn't use it without being incompatible with older DSes. Unless they released an accelerometer Option Pak, I suppose.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Caliban on October 02, 2008, 11:18:15 AM
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The DSi will have a built-in camera on the top lid, facing away from the player. This camera will have a resolution of 300,000 pixels (640x480).  Additionally, the DSi will have a second camera located on the hinge pointed towards the player.

No thanks.

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As rumors have speculated, the new DSi will also have AAC audio playback capabilities, and Iwata mentioned the hardware's specific ability to adjust the pitch and playback speed of audio at will. Iwata gave an example of how this could be useful by explaining that users might be studying a language via this function, or learning a song by ear.

No thanks.

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The DSi is compatible with SD cards, one use of which may be to transfer images from the DSi to the Wii.

Another use is piracy. I wonder how Nintendo solved this problem.

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DSi owners will also be able to download software from the Internet, much the same way Wii owners can.  In fact, Nintendo is naming this new service DSi Shop. It will be using Nintendo Points, which up until this point have just been referred to as Wii Points. Downloadable DSi titles will come in several cost categories: free, 200, 500, or 800 Points.  New users will find that each DSi purchased before March 2010 will come with 1000 free Nintendo Points.

The most interesting feature that was revealed, and hopefully these DSi titles are games from the Game Boy, and Game Boy Colour.


To me this redesigned system with added features just seems like Nintendo is conducting a test to what it should add to its true next portable system.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: D_Average on October 02, 2008, 11:29:29 AM
I wonder how the folk at Red Octane are feeling about the lack of GBA support.....
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 02, 2008, 11:56:58 AM
To me this redesigned system with added features just seems like Nintendo is conducting a test to what it should add to its true next portable system.

I thought the same thing about the original DS, but anything's possible.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Ian Sane on October 02, 2008, 12:05:15 PM
What the f*ck is this DS Shop thing?  The rest of this is all non-gaming goobley gook I couldn't care less about.  But this sounds like something I'm going to be seriously missing out on if I own an old DS.  But this isn't a true upgrade so why should I have to buy a new system?  Either do a new system or only include bonus features that aren't important for gaming.  This half-way upgrade is a f*cking rip-off.  Plus it had this DS Shop but no GBA port so it's not 100% compatible with the old DS.  So either own both systems or be compromised.

And if they release Gameboy VC games ONLY on the DSi and I can't get those through the Wii VC then f*ck 'em.  They're giving the finger to everyone who bought a DS already.  They're punishing us for giving them our business.

Do you think years ago Nintendo would EVER get away with this sh!t?  Can you imagine some souped-up SNES or something with game related features that were incompatible with the old SNES?  Never would happen in a million years.  They would get eaten alive.  But now that Nintendo thinks they're indestructible they just keep pushing it.

This is like if Nintendo's answer to the Wii storage problem was a new Wii and new "large storage" downloadable content was only available on the new Wii and there was no way to upgrade your old one.  But otherwise the two systems were the same.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: AV on October 02, 2008, 12:22:31 PM
1- The camera is more than enough for TV resolution, let alone DS resolution. 

2- Why is there no built-in accelerometer?

1. Ok thats a relief. Can you take video too or just pictures? Is it safe to assume the pictures you save on your ds you can put on your sd card and than put on your computer. Nintendo has a horrible habbit of crap in the sd card is very sensitive you need special .jpg and files are hidden away.

Does it have blu-tooth so I can use it as a makeshift webcam ?

2. Exactly this is the most logical step for a hand held. Use the tech that is in WiiMotion plus since its more sensitive to small movements which is ideal for DS. I much rather use the DSi to play something like Mercury which is more easy to grip and bigger to use with both hands than wiimote its more tactical I think.

I don't really play my DS Lite as of now so I have no problem trading it in ASAP before prices drop. I wonder if its coming to USA this year or next, DS Lite is still massive in USA compared to Japan.

The idea of the DSi isn't bad but Nintendo also has to realize the reason sales have dropped for DS isn't because people don't want the system anymore its just market penetration. It seems like EVERYONE IN JAPAN include mom, dad, and kids own a DS you can't sell new systems if EVERYONE ownes it.

It is also concerning that Nintendo seems to be becoming like Apple and re-release hardware revisions to often and enjoy to alienate its user base. If its just a dig camera, sd card suupport and online stuff WHY wasn't this just put into the DS Lite ?

I agree with Ian that the shop has potential.

I really hope developers make DS versions of WiiWare games and either let you download the ds version for free if you own the wiiware or at reduced price.

Something like "Defend Your castle" is a great game for DS because its simple and basic and is something you can do while waiting in line for a movie that isn't totally involving. Same thing with Dr. Mario Online Rx.

Lots of WiiWare games could easily translate to DS controls and grapahix (sad truth). I may NEVER use the camera or audio support but I will download new games. Especially if I can do it in Mcdonalds since stupid dorm refuses to let me go online.

I will sell my DS Lite today if they confirm Virtual Console play on DSi. Now n64 and Neo Geo I can see DS not having horsepower to emulate or be to taxing to make a program for. However NES, Sega Master system, SNES, TG16, Sega Genesis, TG16 CD all seem very easy for DS to emulate.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: jakeOSX on October 02, 2008, 12:56:18 PM
I do not agree that there will be any 'alienation'

the core of the DS is still DS games. (sorry Guitar Hero) and in the end, the only part of that which changed was the screen size. bigger, which is good.

i doubt the camera will be used for games. i suspect there will be a video-chat (pico-chat update) or something like that.

the ds shop, if we are lucky, will start by letting us play NES games from the Wii shop. (cross your fingers!) possibly even SNES games. who knows, we may even get that 'day planner' part we've always wanted.

i agree with whoever said this was a test for future platforms. i'll be looking forward to getting one, even though my phat still works just fine.

probably a NO to MP3, since they ditched it for the Wii, i suspect whatever made that choice (MP3 is still a liscensed thing, no?) that the same is used here. You should all have ipods by now anyway. shame on you.

oh and why no built in accel? then you have added a real feature and have limited games from DS and DSi.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 02, 2008, 01:12:10 PM
oh and why no built in accel? then you have added a real feature and have limited games from DS and DSi.

DS Option Pak would solve that actually.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: D_Average on October 02, 2008, 01:29:43 PM
Looks like Nintendo shot to hell any chances of Guitar Hero on Tour becoming an "Evergreen Game"....

Damn shame.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on October 02, 2008, 01:57:42 PM
Where exactly are you going to plug in a DS Option Pak in the DSi?  All of the current ones go into the GBA slot.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Pale on October 02, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
I think what he was getting at is they could build it into the DSi but release an option so older DSs could still play the same games.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 02, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
I think what he was getting at is they could build it into the DSi but release an option so older DSs could still play the same games.

Precisely.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: vudu on October 02, 2008, 02:30:40 PM
Do you think years ago Nintendo would EVER get away with this sh!t?  Can you imagine some souped-up SNES or something with game related features that were incompatible with the old SNES?  Never would happen in a million years.  They would get eaten alive.  But now that Nintendo thinks they're indestructible they just keep pushing it.

Did you forget about the N64 Expansion Pak?  Or how about the N64 DD?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 02, 2008, 02:33:29 PM
Or the Wii Motion Plus?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 02, 2008, 03:02:26 PM
Not to take Ian's side, but those are technically add-ons.  Other than the new screens, there's very little in the DSi that couldn't have been done with an add-on or two.  I've been expecting a DS camera attachment for some time now, in fact.  Clearly, that's not happening.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2008, 03:14:47 PM
WTF, did some people here seriously suggest motion control for the device that the screen is attached to?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: ATimson on October 02, 2008, 03:31:58 PM
WTF, did some people here seriously suggest motion control for the device that the screen is attached to?
It's good enough for the iPhone... :P
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: EasyCure on October 02, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
WTF, did some people here seriously suggest motion control for the device that the screen is attached to?
It's good enough for the iPhone... :P

but iPhones arent good enough for games. I've played a few and they're not that great
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: King of Twitch on October 02, 2008, 03:43:31 PM
Aren't there 25 non-i letters in the alphabet just dying to be jammed into new technology names? Sure, X has been used to death with X Games, Xtreme games, Gen X, treasure map cartography, equations, etc but that still leaves 24 more to go!
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Pale on October 02, 2008, 05:07:54 PM
WTF, did some people here seriously suggest motion control for the device that the screen is attached to?
Uhmm, there are a million uses for tilting in handheld games.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: EasyCure on October 02, 2008, 05:08:50 PM
23. Z's been used to death too
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Louieturkey on October 02, 2008, 06:13:40 PM
They could make the add-on for GH and other stuff for the sd card slot which I believe is being added. 
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Halbred on October 02, 2008, 06:54:22 PM
I'm excited about this, but I wait to see the pricetag. My DS Lite needs replacing. The screen is scratched beyond belief (thanks Zelda, CrossworDS, and Ninja Gaiden!), the buttons are mushy, the hinge is cracked, and the system just looks kind of dirty compared to a new unit.

But I don't like the idea of not having a DS Option slot. What am I gonna do with Guitar Hero and my Rumble Cart?
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: yoshi1001 on October 02, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
Aren't there 25 non-i letters in the alphabet just dying to be jammed into new technology names? Sure, X has been used to death with X Games, Xtreme games, Gen X, treasure map cartography, equations, etc but that still leaves 24 more to go!

But this way both of Nintendo's main products have the same ending. Actually now that I think about it, DSi is to I what Wii is to we (if you catch my drift).

I wonder if this'll be like Game Boy Color where we'll see some dual-mode games followed later by some DSi exclusive games.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Kairon on October 03, 2008, 03:12:10 AM
I'm excited about this, but I wait to see the pricetag.

Thank god I have a year to think about it before committing to this new hardware purchase.

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But I don't like the idea of not having a DS Option slot. What am I gonna do with Guitar Hero and my Rumble Cart?

Actually, this news has me seriously considering getting a DS Lite!
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2008, 04:43:24 AM
Uhmm, there are a million uses for tilting in handheld games.

Really? From what I count there's three, Monkey Ball/Kirby Tilt 'n Tumble, Yoshi's Universal Gravitation and Wario Ware Twisted.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 03, 2008, 04:49:18 AM
I am definitely picking this up. Looks like a worthwhile upgrade to the DS, and since my poor DS has been so beat up (It was thrown around the cab of a truck during a wreck I was in) it will be great to have another one even if I keep my current DS lite because it holds so much meaning for me personally.

P.S. Poor Sony, they always get one upped. Their PSP revision seems pretty lame now in comparison to new features added.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Pale on October 03, 2008, 08:06:27 AM
Yeah, I'm already refreshing play-asia to see what their import price is gonna be.  I want to be an early adopter....

Unless they want like $250 bucks.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 03, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Early adoption always has a price, Pale.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 03, 2008, 12:34:32 PM
Early adoption always has a price, Pale.


A price in fun!
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: D_Average on October 03, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
Anyone else find the inclusion of "i" in the title going a little too far??
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: Shecky on October 03, 2008, 09:56:36 PM
Anyone else find the inclusion of "i" in the title going a little too far??

aye
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: KDR_11k on October 04, 2008, 07:37:53 AM
Yeah, should be called DSme.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 04, 2008, 02:30:26 PM
Anyone else find the inclusion of "i" in the title going a little too far??

iDon't know what you mean.  But then again, iTend to be pretty slow on picking up on such things.

I may actually import one of these from Play-Asia if the price isn't too outrageous.  Can you smell video blog entry?  Maybe I could combine it with my never-completed Space Invaders Extreme paddle demonstration.  That would be EPIC.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: stevey on October 04, 2008, 03:34:41 PM
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Serious .3 megapixel. My God Nintendo is cheap. Apple Quicktake Camera in 1994 had equal resolution, really now using 14 Year old tech.

Unless you want to take "myspace" type photos the 0.3 is perfect for the inside camera because all it going to be used for is small pic of you face for in game that don't need to high res and Video Pico-Chat were the lower the resolution the better for data transfer speed to keep lag down.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: D_Average on October 04, 2008, 05:44:56 PM
Anyone else find the inclusion of "i" in the title going a little too far??

iDon't know what you mean.  But then again, iTend to be pretty slow on picking up on such things.

I may actually import one of these from Play-Asia if the price isn't too outrageous.  Can you smell video blog entry?  Maybe I could combine it with my never-completed Space Invaders Extreme paddle demonstration.  That would be EPIC.

EPIC indeed, but so sad it would require BOTH ds's as the necessary slot is missing.
Title: Re: DSi Announced
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 05, 2008, 12:02:55 AM
I'll have to keep the DS Lite around anyways...I can't orphan my precious little paddle!