This is at least plausible. The Wii's 2006 hardware is similar to but slightly more powerful than GameCube's 2001 hardware, so it's logical that Wii 2's 2011 hardware would be similar to but slightly more powerful than the PS3/360's 2006 hardware. It seems to be in step with the direction in which Nintendo is heading, which is previous-generation hardware buoyed by revolutionary input devices.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2008, 01:54:10 PM
Not shocking, and not all that important considering it's years away...Let's just enjoy this generation for now! ='D
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: bustin98 on October 01, 2008, 02:06:27 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about the next 'Wii'. I 'want' Nintendo to be the big boy on the block and use their new found riches to blow everyone out of the water. But knowing Nintendo and their philosophies, I think developers would be lucky to see something on par with the current 'next' gen. Nintendo doesn't want to create a machine that increases development time and costs, though I think we'll end up seeing a ton of 'Wii-makes' of games that couldn't be ported before.
The only 'good' thing that might happen is Microsoft and Sony not increasing their respective horsepower for a generation to take time and create their own unique console.
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2008, 02:11:49 PM
Sounds stupid. Yeah, it'll probably come out around that time and it might have HD if that's something people want but those are really braindead conclusions that you don't need a rumor for. That's like "rumor: Nintendo to remain in the console business", a completely pointless rumor with zero news value.
Now if anyone here thinks HD means next gen graphics they'll be disappointed, Nintendo won't do any massive pushes for graphics, maybe throw something cheap in that would still be a big step up on the current Wii but a graphics focus is just pure moneywasting, 95% of what people want from their graphics are done by the Wii already and the remaining 5% are too expensive to be worth it. Expect graphics to be the first thing to get a cut if they want to bring the price down. Nintendo will invest the system cost into technologies that really improve the gaming experience.
If Sony and MS continue on their current course they will get eliminated from the console market and following them is pointless. It's no longer about power (really has never been), just blindly sacrificing everything for more power will just alienate your market even more and destroy you.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: vudu on October 01, 2008, 02:15:59 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about the next 'Wii'. I 'want' Nintendo to be the big boy on the block and use their new found riches to blow everyone out of the water. But knowing Nintendo and their philosophies, I think developers would be lucky to see something on par with the current 'next' gen.
Can you really get that much "better" than the current gen? The best looking games of this generation leave me wanting very little more. Sure, not all games are amazing looking, but that's the fault of the developers, not the hardware manufacturers.
And we haven't even discussed cost yet. If Sony/Microsoft want their next console to make significant enhancements over the existing consoles the price points are going to be $1,000+.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 01, 2008, 02:20:16 PM
HD to Nintendo = 720p. They will only go as far as they can be dragged.
Good enough really. Neither the 360 or PS3 do much with 1080p as it is.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Toruresu on October 01, 2008, 02:36:39 PM
Besides, by 2011 there be something else, thats better than HD.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 01, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
What makes this different from an outright rumor is that it comes from a respected journalist and likely some well-placed sources. It's an indication that serious work on the next console has begun, which is notable.
Also note that three or four years from now, it will likely be significantly cheaper to produce games with Xbox 360-level graphics. Nintendo will do fine being a generation behind hardware-wise, but that's about as far as they can go back and still charge $250 for a console. For example, if Nintendo brought out a console today with PSOne-level power, they couldn't get away with charging $250 for it.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Pale on October 01, 2008, 02:57:09 PM
I think the most interesting part about the rumor is the emphasis on backwards compatibility. I think that right there proves what Nintendo's new goals are in my opinion.
Look at this new DS supposedly coming out tonight. It's possible, given the resolution increase rumor, that it will be a more powerful device by a little bit, but It's still a DS.
Then look at the Wii Motion+. A rather confusing controller improvement that makes us all wonder why it wasn't there from the get go.
They made a extremely (relative to the competitors I mean) incremental change in their hardware, and came out ahead. They aren't going to change that philosophy until they aren't ahead anymore.
My favorite part of the rumor to is that they are focusing on digital distribution, which HAS to also mean they are going to have a better storage solution in plcae, and HOPEFULLY means they are worried about it enough to fix it properly on Wii. That's really what I want to come out of tonight's press how-down.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Stogi on October 01, 2008, 03:04:04 PM
Ya maybe that and the inclusion of demos.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2008, 03:14:16 PM
Wasn't that Casablah guy respected too? So where's Kid Icarus then?
They made a extremely (relative to the competitors I mean) incremental change in their hardware, and came out ahead. They aren't going to change that philosophy until they aren't ahead anymore.
You're effectively saying Nintendo is too stupid to know when to switch approaches. They'll change when THEY deem it necessary to make sure they stay ahead.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 01, 2008, 03:28:48 PM
Freaky thought, I'll be in my thirties by the time Mario is in HD......
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: that Baby guy on October 01, 2008, 03:33:05 PM
It would be funny if HD meant "Hard Drive," and the journalist just mistook a scoop about Nintendo's plans to finally allow us to use hard drives in 2011. Funny, but sad.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 01, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
It would be funny if HD meant "Hard Drive," and the journalist just mistook a scoop about Nintendo's plans to finally allow us to use hard drives in 2011. Funny, but sad.
Oh man, I would not be surprised...
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
H.ot D.ogs are awesome.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 01, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Looking forward to rebuying my VC games.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2008, 05:53:50 PM
So I guess then I can finally get all those great PS3/X360 third party games on a Nintendo console.
Realistically I see no point in MS or Sony releasing another console any time soon. Graphics have really leveled off. Now unlike Nintendo, I think HD was reason enough for another hardware upgrade. With HDTVs around we have to have videogame systems that support them. It wouldn't make sense for consoles to just stop.
Though for now I think they should. About ten years ago we reached a point where arcades no longer had any technical advantage over consoles. The idea of compromised console conversions was gone. Today consoles have finally caught up to PCs. It's very common for current PC games to be released on the Xbox 360 with no notable issues. Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 had frame rate hiccups on the original Xbox but we're pretty much getting the exact same stuff now. We don't have anything we look to now. You used to look at arcade games and think "boy I wish my console could do THAT!" and used to do the same thing for PC games. But now we don't. There isn't something bigger that's right in our face. There are no compromised ports (unless you just own a Wii).
The Wii hardware needs an upgrade merely because it's behind. The Wii is incapable of handling many current games. So there still is that perceived need of better hardware. But after that I don't think it's necessary. We can only go as far as photo realism and that's a level of detail I can't see being affordable. Okay there's Virtual Reality but if you think making HD graphics raises the cost of development how much do you think that will? The Holodeck is a fantasy. There is a human limitation in technology unless we turn out like the Matrix and have technology that can create new technology. In other words we pretty much have to create life.
MS and Sony will probably try to push it though and royally f*ck themselves over. But I won't hand to keys to the kingdom to Nintendo just yet. Nothing can stop a competitor from coming along.
I think the biggest problem with the Wii HD is what is the selling point? "Hey we've finally got all that HD stuff the competition had five years ago!" I know it isn't popular to say this but the Wii is a g!mmick. It relied on the novelty of the remote to attract attention. Without the remote it's pointless - a minor hardware upgrade to the Gamecube. The remote is not the future standard of gaming. The fact that they're releasing the Motion+ shows that they didn't even get it right the first time. There's too much waggle and too much using the remote instead of a mouse for it to be the standard.
So without the big g!mmick how does Nintendo sell the Wii HD? I think this is a big flaw in Nintendo's plan. They rely too much on non-gamer ignorance. They rely too much on hardware g!mmicks. It's not just the remote but the Wii Fit pad and Mario Kart wheel and the zapper and now the Motion+. You can't just tack on novelty controllers forever. At some point the novelities will no longer attract attention and Nintendo has to impress with a quality videogame console.
Maybe we're in for another crash. Sony and MS shouldn't release another console but will. Nintendo HAS to release another console but won't be able to without exposing the Wii. The best bet for each company is to stay put. Whoever jumps the gun with a new console will fail.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 01, 2008, 06:22:11 PM
No way dude, my appetite will NEVER be satisfied!!! The coaches in Madden 09 STILL look like robots.
Exactly. I won't be satisified until every single person in the crowd is their own individual character model, and they're unique for every game I play during the year. Maybe they could duplicate the virtual season ticket-holders, but they'll have to change up their outfits every game or I won't be impressed.
You're effectively saying Nintendo is too stupid to know when to switch approaches. They'll change when THEY deem it necessary to make sure they stay ahead.
No, he wasn't saying that at all. He was actually saying what you just said: they'll change approaches when they deem it necessary, which is when they aren't ahead any more. He didn't say anything about Nintendo being stupid at all. That part is all your addition.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Stogi on October 01, 2008, 07:06:49 PM
What do outfits of fans have to do with the game?
Anyway, I can't wait till there's holographic blah blah fucking blah...
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 01, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
I think my sarcasm may have been too subtle to be detected. I'll have to work on that.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
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Exactly. I won't be satisified until every single person in the crowd is their own individual character model, and they're unique for every game I play during the year. Maybe they could duplicate the virtual season ticket-holders, but they'll have to change up their outfits every game or I won't be impressed.
While this idea was obviously a joke I was thinking how going to this much trouble would cost way too much but then I thought of a very EVIL way to make the idea work. Allow people to BUY virtual tickets for sports games. Prior to the game's release they create their own character in an editor and then buy a virtual ticket to the games of their choice based on the real life league schedule. Then those characters make up the audience. You can even indicate which team you would cheer for. So now not only is the work of creating thousands of individual audience members avoided but you actually have people PAYING you to do the work for you. And if certain games don't sell out, well that's realistic.
Would people pay to be immortalized in a videogame? Probably.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 01, 2008, 07:26:22 PM
I won't be satisfied until the game is able to pan into the stands and I can clearly see myself pounding a Fat Tire with 3 brats.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 01, 2008, 07:50:33 PM
So what inadequacy is Nintendo going to do on WiiHD? Every generation they have to have at least one shortcoming.
-No 1080p? -No sound upgrade? -Friend Codes remain? -Motion Plus not standard? -size limits with DVD storage? -too small Hard Drive?
I'm guessing no sound upgrade and DVD9 only storage.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2008, 08:48:47 PM
One shortcoming? Miyamoto will retire by then.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 01, 2008, 09:04:33 PM
Oh, friends codes will be there my friend, along with that horrendous voice chat solution. Additionally, I doubt we'll see anything too crazy like the convience of downloading movies and tv shows the majority of other consoles offer.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Dasmos on October 01, 2008, 09:12:22 PM
Nintendo is planning on releasing a new console in the future? No way!
This is the biggest non-news ever.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2008, 09:16:30 PM
Nintendo is planning on releasing a new console in the future? No way!
This is the biggest non-news ever.
No, the biggest non-news ever is Iwata stating that Nintendo is working on a new Mario game and a new Zelda game. At least this story states a specific year, and also mentions the HD stuff.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2008, 11:17:16 PM
I think Nintendo has figured out the secret to staying on top which is essentially, staying ahead of the curve. They'll introdcue something new. The only uncertainty (and it's a big one) is whether it'll catch on. The potential of the Wii Remote is largely untapped and even moreso with MotionPlus. We'll see a progression of that idea and then some. Just because we haven't thought of something especially in a gameplay application, doesn't mean "it" doesn't exist.
Realistically I see no point in MS or Sony releasing another console any time soon.
Hey, remember in 2004 when we said the same thing about the original Xbox. I find it funny how a game like Super Mario Galaxy, which is graphically possible on the original Xbox and probably Gamecube, is still visually pleasing in this so-called HD-era.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 02, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
2011 is too early. If the system is fully backwards compatible with the Wii/Gamecube and uses HDMI, I'd buy one today.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: SixthAngel on October 02, 2008, 02:01:22 AM
This is total crap. It is not going to come in 2011. Last time I checked the Wii is still blowing away sales expectations and people think they are going to release another one so soon? The Wii proved that people don't care much about graphics beyond a certain point. Releasing a a more powerful Wii just doesn't make much sense, especially so soon.
I am tired of everyone trying to shove HD down my throat. I don't care, most people don't care. It is the new marketing buzzword and it tries to make people think they need it. Tons of people have HD tvs and don't even realize that they aren't getting HD programs and movies. The tech geek reviewers make a big deal about it but the vast majority of people just don't give a ****. Stop trying to tell me that HD is the next big thing IT ISN'T! I don't see the HD systems dominating, do you? People don't have a problem with less then tv quality video on youtube, veoh, tudou, etc. We will get to HD eventually but its going to be because its as cheap as the alternative, not because most people actually care.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 02, 2008, 03:04:38 AM
2011 is too soon? That's three years from now! I don't care how much the Wii is selling now, sales will begin to taper off eventually. That'll probably be about two years from now, and after three years Nintendo can pounce on the early adopters again while still making money off of Wii.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2008, 04:59:56 AM
Ian, you're wrong. You talk about the Wiimote as being driven by novelty and ignorance and that once that wears off people will go back to humongous uboat control gamepads that are just fucking clunky for any purpose, you're just like those retarded analysts that predict every week that the Wii fad is just about to end. The pointer is less precise than a mouse? So what, how do you use a mouse without a desk? Wii Motion Plus is an improvement? Well, guess what, that shows the technology still has room for improvement that can be done with the next system.
You always talk as if the masses are stupid and will be enlightened to your ways any moment now. You. Vs 32 million gamers. I say it's YOU who's ignorant and needs to be enlightened! You talk about how the Wii cannot play "current" games but what about the competition? I don't see the PS3 or 360 being capable of playing Wii Fit! Yeah, sure, the PS3 and 360 owners won't care and that's why the Wii is winning: It picked the market that DOES care and that does not pursue some snobbish perception of how videogames should be art and epic and ****, all they want is a fun game. Hell, all I want is a fun game yet games are so concerned with beating each other in terms of epic and art that at times the fun has to suffer for it because they ram another cutscene down your throat. **** the cutscenes, **** your crappy excuse for a story and **** your "great writers" that you hire because they'd be ridiculed as second rate hacks in the book market! Bring back the euphoria from overcoming a challenge that is actually difficult, not jsut called such by the manual! Throw away the 20 hour game length mentality because you cannot make a game challenguing and that long, noone would make it to the end. Make something that your skill alone can beat! This. Is. THE EXPANDED MARKET! Yes, that's right, the expanded market is really a resurrection of the retro market. Irony, eh?
BTW, to say Nintendo will only change when they're no longer ahead is to call them stupid, they'll change while they're ahead to STAY ahead!
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Plugabugz on October 02, 2008, 05:51:53 AM
This is nintendo. Probably one of the most penny pinching companies in the known universe. Why 1080p and super sexualise the interweb with orgasmifying micro vibratic muscle relaxing moany womanly devices when they can now make small cheaper improvements to the concept to improve upon it?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 02, 2008, 01:56:23 PM
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I don't see the PS3 or 360 being capable of playing Wii Fit!
Technically the Wii isn't capable of playing Wii Fit either. It requires an additional accessory.
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It picked the market that DOES care and that does not pursue some snobbish perception of how videogames should be art and epic and ****, all they want is a fun game.
I'd argue it picked the market that DOESN'T care. They focus on the casuals that don't regard gaming as anything but a fun diversion. Those that care are those that regard gaming as one of their major interests. They care about gaming history. They care about quality. They care about getting a good value for their dollar. That is not the blue ocean group Nintendo is targeting. Nintendo is currently the Archie Comics of videogames. It's disposable entertainment, pop gaming. It relies on the audience to not care.
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Hell, all I want is a fun game yet games are so concerned with beating each other in terms of epic and art that at times the fun has to suffer for it because they ram another cutscene down your throat.
Guess what? All I want are fun games too. Non-games don't cut it for me because they have no challenge and no depth. They bore me. And epic games can be fun too. There isn't some rule where the second a game has more than two hours of gameplay, has a story and has good graphics that it sucks. In fact many of Nintendo's most popular and acclaimed games follow the very conventions that you're crapping on. I don't recall anyone claiming that epic games were bad until Nintendo said so. Funny how that works. And when the next Metroid or Zelda comes out with all the big epic frills that other companies have in their games you'll eat it up.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
And? What IS gaming if not fun? These are finally things these people can enjoy! Hell, I don't even get how you can claim "non-games" have no challenge, most if not all of them are highscore hunts and I don't see people getting gold or platinum medals on their first few tries.
What IS a "good value for their dollar"? Seriously, what? When a game is fun, isn't that enough? What exactly do you need to get a "good value"? Are you just saying again that you don't like the games?
What IS "quality"? Good games, no?
Aren't all your arguments "I don't like their games therefore they are stupid"?
You know, I've been saying that 3d Zelda < 2d Zelda... 2D Zelda didn't have much story. Neither did 2d Mario. You probably saw me call OOT and M64 bad. I still stand by that, I don't like those two much. Both have massive increases in complexity from all that 3d movement stuff. Mario doesn't just jump and run anymore, he can sideflip, backflip, triple jump, slide on his belly, kick, wallkick, stomp, ... Why? Wasn't jumping and running enough?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 02, 2008, 04:01:11 PM
For 2D games, yes.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 02, 2008, 10:37:28 PM
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Mario doesn't just jump and run anymore, he can sideflip, backflip, triple jump, slide on his belly, kick, wallkick, stomp, ... Why? Wasn't jumping and running enough?
You don't want games to move forward or innovate? You don't want new ideas? Why the hell aren't we still just playing Pong clones then?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 02, 2008, 11:27:23 PM
Most people don't care about HD? They care enough that SDTV practically doesn't exist anymore, because *almost* every time that a new TV is purchased, it's an HDTV.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: King of Twitch on October 02, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
When my 2001 panasonic tv-vcr combo finally breaks down i sure as heck am not getting HD, and definitely not DTV. Count me out.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: shammack on October 03, 2008, 12:02:45 AM
Most people don't care about HD? They care enough that SDTV practically doesn't exist anymore, because *almost* every time that a new TV is purchased, it's an HDTV.
But how often do you buy a new TV?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2008, 02:12:51 AM
Mario doesn't just jump and run anymore, he can sideflip, backflip, triple jump, slide on his belly, kick, wallkick, stomp, ... Why? Wasn't jumping and running enough?
You don't want games to move forward or innovate? You don't want new ideas? Why the hell aren't we still just playing Pong clones then?
I want innovation that makes sense, not craptons of moves that people don't even use (there's a reason they got stripped down in later versions). If you just randomly innovate you get Plättchen, a total mess that may be innovative but doesn't fit together at all because the innovations don't work together. All these extra moves for Mario did was make it even harder to maneuver the 3d space (at least when you were expected to use them) and add some stuff to exploit for speedruns.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: SixthAngel on October 03, 2008, 02:18:18 AM
Most people don't care about HD? They care enough that SDTV practically doesn't exist anymore, because *almost* every time that a new TV is purchased, it's an HDTV.
But how often do you buy a new TV?
Bingo. Not many people upgrade tvs just for HD. They go to get a new tv when the time comes (old tv breaks, family moves, the old tv still has wood paneling, want a bigger tv, etc) and happen to get an hd tv.
HD tvs tend to have a bigger screen, the set itself is still often smaller, they are widescreen, and are flatscreen. Those are all qualities that people want. When people do decide to get a new piece of technology they often try to get the best, or at least the best they can afford, even if they don't necessarily understand or use all the extra features.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Pale on October 03, 2008, 07:46:40 AM
When my 2001 panasonic tv-vcr combo finally breaks down i sure as heck am not getting HD, and definitely not DTV. Count me out.
Uhmm, that's... noble of you I guess. Wait why now?
I'm confused.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 03, 2008, 09:50:45 AM
I don't know why you wouldn't want an HDTV, if you can afford one. Not having one will eventually be like not having a touchtone phone: pretty silly, since they're cheap and have better features than older technology.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 03, 2008, 10:03:14 AM
I think it is because affording one and needing one are two different things.
I want and HDTV, and some time in 2009, I will probably get and HDTV, but as of right now, they are expensive and I can use my money elsewhere.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: EasyCure on October 03, 2008, 10:50:29 AM
Mario doesn't just jump and run anymore, he can sideflip, backflip, triple jump, slide on his belly, kick, wallkick, stomp, ... Why? Wasn't jumping and running enough?
You don't want games to move forward or innovate? You don't want new ideas? Why the hell aren't we still just playing Pong clones then?
I want innovation that makes sense, not craptons of moves that people don't even use (there's a reason they got stripped down in later versions). If you just randomly innovate you get Plättchen, a total mess that may be innovative but doesn't fit together at all because the innovations don't work together. All these extra moves for Mario did was make it even harder to maneuver the 3d space (at least when you were expected to use them) and add some stuff to exploit for speedruns.
Ehh... i wouldnt use Mario 64's moves as a good example cuz all those moves were useful in the right situation, except maybe the crouched spin kick. Such a melee attack would of been useful when surrounded by enemies but that never happened.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 03, 2008, 01:10:06 PM
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I want innovation that makes sense, not craptons of moves that people don't even use (there's a reason they got stripped down in later versions). If you just randomly innovate you get Plättchen, a total mess that may be innovative but doesn't fit together at all because the innovations don't work together. All these extra moves for Mario did was make it even harder to maneuver the 3d space (at least when you were expected to use them) and add some stuff to exploit for speedruns.
I want innovation that makes sense too. Know what makes no sense? Mapping what would normally be a button press to waggle. Waggle is less precise then a digital button. And why are you using Super Mario 64 as an example? Practically everyone loves that game. I think those new moves are very useful and are an important part of that game. Now there are games that add stuff and don't make proper use of them. Splinter Cell's cool-but-useless wall split is an example. The levels didn't provide many situations where the move could even be used. But that's poor game design and that will happen regardless of technology or basic game design theories. Bad games have always existed.
Regarding HDTVs eventually everyone will have them. No we're not going to all go out and get one while we still have working TVs. But eventually when your TV breaks that's what's going to be in stores. It will make no sense to hunt down an older TV. They probably won't even make them anymore. It's like buying a black & white TV in the 80's. Eventually HDTVs won't be expensive. They're be selling cheap crap ones in Wal-marts with 21" screens.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: EasyCure on October 03, 2008, 01:17:44 PM
I want innovation that makes sense, not craptons of moves that people don't even use (there's a reason they got stripped down in later versions). If you just randomly innovate you get Plättchen, a total mess that may be innovative but doesn't fit together at all because the innovations don't work together. All these extra moves for Mario did was make it even harder to maneuver the 3d space (at least when you were expected to use them) and add some stuff to exploit for speedruns.
I want innovation that makes sense too. Know what makes no sense? Mapping what would normally be a button press to waggle. Waggle is less precise then a digital button. And why are you using Super Mario 64 as an example? Practically everyone loves that game. I think those new moves are very useful and are an important part of that game. Now there are games that add stuff and don't make proper use of them. Splinter Cell's cool-but-useless wall split is an example. The levels didn't provide many situations where the move could even be used. But that's poor game design and that will happen regardless of technology or basic game design theories. Bad games have always existed.
Regarding HDTVs eventually everyone will have them. No we're not going to all go out and get one while we still have working TVs. But eventually when your TV breaks that's what's going to be in stores. It will make no sense to hunt down an older TV. They probably won't even make them anymore. It's like buying a black & white TV in the 80's. Eventually HDTVs won't be expensive. They're be selling cheap crap ones in Wal-marts with 21" screens.
thats why eventually nintendo will roll out an HD system and chose to hold off for this generation :)
I can honestly say i dont know anyone in my family or friends from my personal life that own an HDTV.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 03, 2008, 01:20:37 PM
You can already get 19" HDTVs (720p) on Amazon for $300.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: EasyCure on October 03, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
You can already get 19" HDTVs (720p) on Amazon for $300.
True but when people think HD they also think huge screens, something to fill up your living room/entertainment center. Getting something that small no matter how cheap defeats the purpose of going HD if you'll be sitting a few feet away and have crappy eyes lol
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 03, 2008, 08:18:23 PM
It depends what you want to do. I game on a 24" Dell HD LCD monitor that I also use as a computer monitor. Works like a charm, and the monitor only cost $600. It's even cheaper now.
All I'm saying is that HD does not necessarily mean $2500 SuperTV. You can easily do it on a budget.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Kairon on October 03, 2008, 09:03:28 PM
I refuse to get an HDTV until it costs $250 and ISN'T MEANT FOR A COMPUTER.
Friggin... keep my TVs the same price, and keep them separate from my computer monitors!
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 03, 2008, 09:11:09 PM
I've never seen an HDTV "meant" for a computer.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Kairon on October 03, 2008, 09:36:43 PM
When it looks more like a monitor than a TV screen, it's meant for a computer. *harrumph* whippersnappers.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ATimson on October 03, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
When my 2001 panasonic tv-vcr combo finally breaks down i sure as heck am not getting HD, and definitely not DTV. Count me out.
You can no longer get a non-DTV TV; new models have been required to have DTV tuners for about two years now.
You might be able to get away with buying a computer monitor that has HDMI/DVI in, and a converter box for component/composite (though maybe they have monitors with those inputs too?). But you're not going to be able to get a very big one.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 03, 2008, 11:19:20 PM
HDTVs really don't cost any more than non-HD (equivalent size) sets did 5-7 years ago. I paid $500 for a 37" CRT in 2000, by Thanksgiving, that would basically be the standard price for a 37" HDTV. HD isn't the future, it's the present.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 04, 2008, 02:34:41 AM
Waggle isn't innovation, it's the reluctance to innovate. When you're still thinking in on-off states and then mapping those to an analog input you're failing to innovate. Wii Sports demonstrated how you can use more than on-off states. It's not surprising, we saw a lot of failure to innovate in the early days of the DS. Of course it's also to be expected because most core genres were designed with buttons in mind and using genre conventions means you'll only have button inputs. I guess we can't really expect much since we're the ones who are mostly interested in core genres and don't get to play things like Carnival Games. Do those make more use of the motion sensing?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Kairon on October 04, 2008, 02:43:58 AM
I DO plan on moving to HD, as does my family at home. Actually, we don't care about HD at all, we just want a flat tv so we can reclaim some table space. There's no question that HD is coming, if only because flat tvs are cool and there are no such things as flat SD tvs... it's just a matter of price and convenience for a lot of us.
Actually... ARE there flast SD TVs? I'd buy one of those!
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: IceCold on October 04, 2008, 04:09:04 AM
Ian, you're wrong. You talk about the Wiimote as being driven by novelty and ignorance and that once that wears off people will go back to humongous uboat control gamepads that are just fucking clunky for any purpose, you're just like those retarded analysts that predict every week that the Wii fad is just about to end. The pointer is less precise than a mouse? So what, how do you use a mouse without a desk? Wii Motion Plus is an improvement? Well, guess what, that shows the technology still has room for improvement that can be done with the next system.
You always talk as if the masses are stupid and will be enlightened to your ways any moment now. You. Vs 32 million gamers. I say it's YOU who's ignorant and needs to be enlightened! You talk about how the Wii cannot play "current" games but what about the competition? I don't see the PS3 or 360 being capable of playing Wii Fit! Yeah, sure, the PS3 and 360 owners won't care and that's why the Wii is winning: It picked the market that DOES care and that does not pursue some snobbish perception of how videogames should be art and epic and ****, all they want is a fun game. Hell, all I want is a fun game yet games are so concerned with beating each other in terms of epic and art that at times the fun has to suffer for it because they ram another cutscene down your throat. **** the cutscenes, **** your crappy excuse for a story and **** your "great writers" that you hire because they'd be ridiculed as second rate hacks in the book market! Bring back the euphoria from overcoming a challenge that is actually difficult, not jsut called such by the manual! Throw away the 20 hour game length mentality because you cannot make a game challenguing and that long, noone would make it to the end. Make something that your skill alone can beat! This. Is. THE EXPANDED MARKET! Yes, that's right, the expanded market is really a resurrection of the retro market. Irony, eh?
BTW, to say Nintendo will only change when they're no longer ahead is to call them stupid, they'll change while they're ahead to STAY ahead!
*salute*
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 04, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
I refuse to get an HDTV until it costs $250 and ISN'T MEANT FOR A COMPUTER.
Friggin... keep my TVs the same price, and keep them separate from my computer monitors!
My point is that HD isn't some impossible dream for the rich. If you want it, you can easily get an LCD display that does 1920x1080, and voila, you have an HD display. Now if you want it to be the family TV that's obviously not adequate, but for a PC monitor/gaming monitor 24" is fine.
I guarantee that the next TV you buy will be an HDTV. There's no reason not to get one at this point, unless you're a Luddite.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: user0x7D on October 04, 2008, 02:37:57 PM
My point is that HD isn't some impossible dream for the rich. If you want it, you can easily get an LCD display that does 1920x1080, and voila, you have an HD display. Now if you want it to be the family TV that's obviously not adequate, but for a PC monitor/gaming monitor 24" is fine.
I guarantee that the next TV you buy will be an HDTV. There's no reason not to get one at this point, unless you're a Luddite.
How about this: When HDTVs actually have QUALITY output, that's when I'll think about getting one. I cannot tell you how many people gush about how much they absolutely love their HDTV but when I get a look at it the picture is pure garbage. Ghosting, pixilation, shadowing, artifacts, graininess and simply overall ugly color. I used to think it was just the TVs alone that were causing those problems but I recently saw an HD football game on an SDTV and a lot of the same issues were there as well so it's not just the TVs that are causing it but issues with the signal too.
To be honest, I simply know too much about the technology to be willing to put up with anything less than a clear, bright picture. Since I've yet to see that on a single HDTV at any store, I won't be buying one for a long, long while.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2008, 04:40:09 PM
That ghosting, pixelation, and artifacts, etc. is is usually caused by the source. That would be like complaining that your current TV sucks because VHS tapes look bad.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 04, 2008, 05:17:04 PM
I used to never watch TV until I upgraded to HD. Now I watch at least five hours a day, there's no other way to live.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: bustin98 on October 04, 2008, 05:28:24 PM
Actually... ARE there flast SD TVs? I'd buy one of those!
I have a 'flat' screen SDTV, but its not like an LCD or Plasma. Just the glass is flat. There is still the CRT, which will never shrink in size enough to make a truely flat SDTV without shrinking the size of the screen. The length (z) of the TV is relative to the Tube's ability to hit the edges of the screen without distortion.
Oh, and my video card has an HDMI out. How does that fit into your "TV made for a computer" arguement? ;)
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Chiller on October 04, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
How about this: When HDTVs actually have QUALITY output, that's when I'll think about getting one. I cannot tell you how many people gush about how much they absolutely love their HDTV but when I get a look at it the picture is pure garbage. Ghosting, pixilation, shadowing, artifacts, graininess and simply overall ugly color. I used to think it was just the TVs alone that were causing those problems but I recently saw an HD football game on an SDTV and a lot of the same issues were there as well so it's not just the TVs that are causing it but issues with the signal too.
To be honest, I simply know too much about the technology to be willing to put up with anything less than a clear, bright picture. Since I've yet to see that on a single HDTV at any store, I won't be buying one for a long, long while.
I have to agree with you on that. My brother-in-law, who is no slouch in the tech dept. himself, bought a top-of-the-line Sony LCD (Bravia XBR), complete with what was considered their best standalone BluRay player, and has it hooked up with all of the proper cables. I must say, it is certainly unimpressive. The depth and accuracy of color (particularly in the reds), and the overall purity leave a lot to be desired when compared to a quality CRT monitor. Yes, the resolution is better, but that is it. Everything seems pallid, and full of artifacts. Furthermore, the quality of standard definition programming takes a HUGE hit, making it unwatchable for me. That is a primary reason why a lot of mastering houses will not use LCD displays, except for those costing retarded amounts of money (like 10 times the average consumer-level display).
I actually had some hopes for the SED displays being touted as so amazing for the past couple of years. The promise of CRT-quality and response times coupled with truly flat displays, and full HD resolutions would have been great. However, that got botched pretty badly. As such, it will be a little while before I am willing to waste my money on the current stock of HDs. That doesn't make me Luddite, just someone who appreciates getting what I paid for.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 04, 2008, 06:27:42 PM
Watch HDTV over at somebody's house who subscribes to Comcast or DirecTV HDTV. ESPNHD looks so good you'll want to have a tender, private moment with yourself. Non-sports programs look much better as well.
SDTV vs. HDTV is like VHS vs. DVD. Once you get the new technology, you'll never go back.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 04, 2008, 06:50:20 PM
Watch HDTV over at somebody's house who subscribes to Comcast or DirecTV HDTV. ESPNHD looks so good you'll want to have a tender, private moment with yourself. Non-sports programs look much better as well.
SDTV vs. HDTV is like VHS vs. DVD. Once you get the new technology, you'll never go back.
Indeed, especially once Blu Ray is added to the equation.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Kairon on October 04, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
SDTV vs. HDTV is like VHS vs. DVD. Once you get the new technology, you'll never go back.
I bought a combo VHS/DVD player for my dorm. I recently watched Kiki's delivery service on it. I will get Kiki on DVD eventually, but I was perfectly happy with the VHS copy.
Maybe I am a luddite. *shrug*
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 04, 2008, 10:10:38 PM
Nah, you just don't see the need for frivolous spending on minor technological updates, which is understandable.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ATimson on October 04, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
I bought a combo VHS/DVD player for my dorm. I recently watched Kiki's delivery service on it. I will get Kiki on DVD eventually, but I was perfectly happy with the VHS copy.
Maybe I am a luddite. *shrug*
Not a luddite, just blind. ;)
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: IceCold on October 05, 2008, 02:17:01 AM
How about this: When HDTVs actually have QUALITY output, that's when I'll think about getting one. I cannot tell you how many people gush about how much they absolutely love their HDTV but when I get a look at it the picture is pure garbage. Ghosting, pixilation, shadowing, artifacts, graininess and simply overall ugly color. I used to think it was just the TVs alone that were causing those problems but I recently saw an HD football game on an SDTV and a lot of the same issues were there as well so it's not just the TVs that are causing it but issues with the signal too.
To be honest, I simply know too much about the technology to be willing to put up with anything less than a clear, bright picture. Since I've yet to see that on a single HDTV at any store, I won't be buying one for a long, long while.
I have to agree with you on that. My brother-in-law, who is no slouch in the tech dept. himself, bought a top-of-the-line Sony LCD (Bravia XBR), complete with what was considered their best standalone BluRay player, and has it hooked up with all of the proper cables. I must say, it is certainly unimpressive. The depth and accuracy of color (particularly in the reds), and the overall purity leave a lot to be desired when compared to a quality CRT monitor. Yes, the resolution is better, but that is it. Everything seems pallid, and full of artifacts. Furthermore, the quality of standard definition programming takes a HUGE hit, making it unwatchable for me. That is a primary reason why a lot of mastering houses will not use LCD displays, except for those costing retarded amounts of money (like 10 times the average consumer-level display).
I actually had some hopes for the SED displays being touted as so amazing for the past couple of years. The promise of CRT-quality and response times coupled with truly flat displays, and full HD resolutions would have been great. However, that got botched pretty badly. As such, it will be a little while before I am willing to waste my money on the current stock of HDs. That doesn't make me Luddite, just someone who appreciates getting what I paid for.
I agree. The closest I've seen to a CRT-like image is from Samsung's LED DLPs.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 05, 2008, 02:34:12 AM
I wonder if some of that HD improvement just comes from how shitty NTSC looks? I certainly don't see much of an improvement between SDTV and HDTV here (they have HDTVs in stores) or between playing an SD-res video on my PC and an HD-res video. It would be something else if I had to compare those shitty NTSC broadcasts (I doubt all of that shittyness is just NTSC->PAL conversion). Seriously, when they show Snooker on TV you can't even tell the red and brown balls apart.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2008, 10:55:12 AM
That's definitely from the conversion process, because NTSC, if anything, is better than PAL. Anyway, when it comes to HD, there is no PAL or NTSC anymore (not in the way that there is with SDTV), just different region codes when it comes to BluRay and video games, basically. I'm pretty sure all PAL TVs do 60hz now.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Adrock on October 05, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
I recently watched Kiki's delivery service on it. I will get Kiki on DVD eventually, but I was perfectly happy with the VHS copy.
Not to stray too off topic, but get the DVD so you can listen to the Japanese language track. I'm not a Japanese VA snob. I actually like the the English track, save Kirsten Dunst's butchering of Kiki's voice. She makes Kiki sound like a bitch the whole time.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ATimson on October 05, 2008, 12:26:42 PM
That's definitely from the conversion process, because NTSC, if anything, is better than PAL.
NTSC is lower resolution and has no ability to accurately reproduce color. About the only leg up it could possibly have on PAL is that they can do a reversible film -> NTSC conversion. (I hesitate to call it a good conversion, though.)
Anyway, when it comes to HD, there is no PAL or NTSC anymore (not in the way that there is with SDTV), just different region codes when it comes to BluRay and video games, basically. I'm pretty sure all PAL TVs do 60hz now.
But not all NTSC TVs or players do 50hz, and some HD content--mainly British shows--is produced at 1080/25p or 1080/50i. I know that Torchwood's Blu-Ray release--even in the UK--was a 1080/60i conversion, but I'm wondering if that's truly going to be the standard or if we're going to possibly see some incompatible releases down the line.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2008, 12:36:52 PM
NTSC is a lower resolution (before HD of course), but now 720p is 720p, and 1080p(i) is 1080p(i). The shows recorded at 25p and 50i are done because of laziness, I would assume, since you would not have to convert the video for SDTV in the PAL region.
Back on track...they should release it sooner. If they released the same system, but would output HD (and upscale current games), I'd buy one today.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 05, 2008, 07:26:41 PM
Nah, you just don't see the need for frivolous spending on minor technological updates, which is understandable.
I'm sorry, but VHS to DVD is not a "minor technological update."
It's a significant technical update. I love special features.
But it's a minor visual update.
I agree that the visual update is minor. They are busy arguing over 720p and 1080i and the difference between PAL and NTSC so that tells you what end of the spectrum their opinions are from.
DVD has many features beyond visuals that make it superior. Special features as you stated, smaller size so it is actually possible to keep more then two around without it being ugly or bulky, no VHS players eating tapes, NO REWINDING OR FAST FORWARDING, and they don't degrade over time.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2008, 03:22:23 PM
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: EasyCure on October 08, 2008, 06:11:28 PM
wasn't he the guy that said ps3 would be outselling wii by now?
edit: lol well one of many?? I don't care for what any analyst says, sorry Pach!
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 08, 2008, 06:17:01 PM
PACH ATTACK, DOUBLE BACK. ILLEST ANALYST AND DAT A FACT
I'm sure Nintendo would be very happy to pull of a Wii redesign and sell hardware more often than a five year cycle. That's what they do with their handhelds. Sega tried overlapping and destroyed themselves with SegaCD, 32X, Saturn.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 08, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
Wow that Packter's a real genius. A new Nintendo console released five years after the previous one? Get out of town!
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Pachter suggests that the common sentiment from hardcore gamers that Nintendo has abandoned them is something the company "has to overcome," and believes a "beefed up" high definition Wii console is "on the horizon." "A Wii HD would really position Nintendo well, which is why I'm absolutely convinced there is a Wii HD coming," says Pachter. "Businesswise, they can't have people saying that their machine is a toy for my mom."
So if a Wii HD is to pacify hardcore gamers what happens to non-gamers? Do both console co-exist? Or is the Wii HD supposed to satisfy both groups? How do you sell something to moms without it being regarded as a console for moms? I honestly just think the no console could target both. Unless Nintendo just releases a "gamer console" and hopes that their new audience will be familiar enough with videogames by then to be core gamers themselves.
As usual I think an analyst is looking too far into something due to ignorance of the game market. Nintendo will release a follow to the Wii in 2011 because they always release a new console very five years. To think they'll do so to address some issue or whatever is overthinking it. They're release a new one so they can sell us new hardware again.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2008, 07:30:23 PM
An HD Wii would not be a big deal. It'd have just enough horsepower to draw the same graphically inferior generation games at a higher resolution. It'd also come with a free HDMI cable for the TV connection, essentially streamlining the purchase and setup for all the customers who are late to the Wii scene, but already bought an HDTV since the current generation sprang up and flopped about.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 09, 2008, 01:17:28 AM
That rap is perfect for the Michael Pachter photo where's he's scowling and looking super-serious. Has anybody seen that? It's hilarious.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 09, 2008, 05:24:27 AM
Pachter is an idiot, when Malstrom demonstrated how analysts don't understand how the Wii deals with the market half the quotes were from Pachter.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 09, 2008, 03:48:13 PM
The real question on my mind is, what will the first true Mario game be titled on this new system? Will Nintendo go the obligatory route, as so many others are now doing and entitle it, "Super Mario in High Definition!".
Something about that just doesn't seem right.......
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 09, 2008, 03:51:33 PM
It'll be called "Super Mario Galaxy."
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 09, 2008, 05:54:47 PM
Nah, by the time it comes out HD won't be anything notable. Everything will be HD by then.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on October 09, 2008, 06:24:58 PM
Wasn't VHS production ended completely some time ago?
Borat was the last commercial VHS release, according to Wikipedia. There will never again be a commercial movie released on VHS, but that isn't enough to say the format is dead yet. People still buy blank VHS tapes to record stuff from TV and there are also home video cameras that use them. Not to mention the fact many people still have a large library of VHS tapes that they may not want to spend money on replacing with DVDs... its also true that many obscure things only exist on VHS, and there is just no way to get them on DVD.
So the format isn't dead, and probably won't be dead for a long while. As far as I'm concerned it is dead, and I won't use or buy VHS ever again, but I'm just saying many people aren't willing to part with it yet.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 27, 2009, 05:08:30 PM
Dunno, I recall hearing that the last factory for blank VHS tapes was shut down some time ago.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: King of Twitch on January 27, 2009, 05:14:59 PM
Thank you Plugabugz you've been most helpful.
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Oh great, you Americans still can't get with the times and get your freaking DTV boxes?
Well I certainly don't want that big ugly box taking up space and yet another outlet spot
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Mikintosh on January 27, 2009, 05:56:14 PM
Dunno, I recall hearing that the last factory for blank VHS tapes was shut down some time ago.
That was the last distributor of *commercial* VHS tapes. They're still selling blanks in the same number at my local drug store that they were five years ago.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 28, 2009, 01:03:31 AM
Dunno, I recall hearing that the last factory for blank VHS tapes was shut down some time ago.
That was the last distributor of *commercial* VHS tapes. They're still selling blanks in the same number at my local drug store that they were five years ago.
Yep. Like I said, Borat was officially the very last VHS release. Now with Blu-ray out, DVD is now the equivalent of VHS, which is to say it is a lesser format that will probably be phased out in 5-10 years.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2009, 04:18:33 PM
Wrong. Blu-Ray will be phased out in 10 years, cuz it's sinking with the PS3 after its glorious 10 years of defeat are finished.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 28, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
Well, I predict Blu-ray isn't going to have a long lifespan anyway because there are things like Protein-encoded Discs and Holographic discs which can hold like terrabytes of information on a single disc. Blu-ray discs weren't really needed for HD content, because that could have been accomplished on regular DVDs with the aid of compression. If you ask me, the only reason a new HD disc format was invented at all is because the movie industry wanted to stop copying of their films. Now that BLu-ray encryption has been breached it really no longer serves that purpose, so they will probably aim for something new in another few years.
Blu-ray won the war against HD-DVD, but it doesn't matter because their generation isn't going to last long anyway, imho.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2009, 05:57:00 PM
Well, I predict Blu-ray isn't going to have a long lifespan anyway because there are things like Protein-encoded Discs and Holographic discs which can hold like terrabytes of information on a single disc. Blu-ray discs weren't really needed for HD content, because that could have been accomplished on regular DVDs with the aid of compression. If you ask me, the only reason a new HD disc format was invented at all is because the movie industry wanted to stop copying of their films. Now that BLu-ray encryption has been breached it really no longer serves that purpose, so they will probably aim for something new in another few years.
Blu-ray won the war against HD-DVD, but it doesn't matter because their generation isn't going to last long anyway, imho.
Truth. Next up are high definition, high density storage pancakes. Impossible to pirate.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2009, 06:30:24 PM
Ya, I can see solid state taking over. Almost every camera and computer take solid state. It won't be long till the cards are big enough for HD movies. Once it is, they'll just keep upping the memory.
As for BD movies, I know they will never take the place of DVD but the movies that do come out on BD are a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 28, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Maybe they will just sell TiVo like boxes and you just download movies onto it rather than using any media whatsoever. The PS3 and 360 already do this, but I'm envisioning an industry backed standard that will be a complete successor to dvd/blu-ray.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
The problem with using SSD for distribution is that while the things are cheap and large they still cost way more than a pressed disc. Kinda like the N64 situation.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 29, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
The problem with using SSD for distribution is that while the things are cheap and large they still cost way more than a pressed disc. Kinda like the N64 situation.
Yeah, but they're rewritable, so when you're running out of space you could just delete the latest Will Ferell flop to make room for something more worthy. Unlike Optical medium, SSD is reusable.
In fact, maybe what could happen is you take a card thing to wal-mart or wherever and push it into a machine and you can purchase any movie you want and it will be written onto the card within a minute or two. Then you can just take it home and watch it and if you ever get tired of it you can just delete it to make room for the next. Or you could keep it forever and buy new cards for future movies.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2009, 04:25:53 PM
The problem with using SSD for distribution is that while the things are cheap and large they still cost way more than a pressed disc. Kinda like the N64 situation.
Yeah, but they're rewritable, so when you're running out of space you could just delete the latest Will Ferell flop to make room for something more worthy. Unlike Optical medium, SSD is reusable.
In fact, maybe what could happen is you take a card thing to wal-mart or wherever and push it into a machine and you can purchase any movie you want and it will be written onto the card within a minute or two. Then you can just take it home and watch it and if you ever get tired of it you can just delete it to make room for the next. Or you could keep it forever and buy new cards for future movies.
Walmart and retailers would love this technology, but actual publishers would HATE it. They do not want you to be able to delete products you buy and such...nor would they give up control of the pricing, packaging, and medium sales for their device.
What I do see this as being a great idea for renting movies. Put a card into the device at Walmart and download a copy of the movie that is good for 3 days for $2.00 After the 3rd day it stops working or just deletes itself...and you don't have to bring it back to the store.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 29, 2009, 05:07:29 PM
I think they already tried that. See DIVX. (See also Circuit City going bankrupt.)
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
There's also a new type of DVD like that, the only place I've seen them is Staples. They are in a sealed bag, I believe, and about 2 days after you open it, the disc "goes bad".
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 02:33:21 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!! WiiHD arrives in 2010!! BREAKING NEWS!!!
well not really, but you can play your current Wii in 1080p with a hardware addition. It's a HDMI post processing upscaling processor that attached to your Wii's video out port. http://reviews.dcemu.co.uk/vdigi-releases-vd-w3-wii-hdmi-upscaler-processor-303442.html (http://reviews.dcemu.co.uk/vdigi-releases-vd-w3-wii-hdmi-upscaler-processor-303442.html)
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: D_Average on March 24, 2010, 02:39:35 PM
Looks like its $75, not too bad if it actually works.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2010, 02:43:59 PM
Wii isn't coming in 2011, the 3DS is releasing that year. I guess we're pushed back to 2012 which is fine by me.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 24, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
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Another YPrPb scaler for TVs that do a shitty job of handling component video?
3GC is coming next year.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Caterkiller on March 24, 2010, 02:59:24 PM
I'm very interested in this actually. With Hd Will our games look less blury and clear?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 24, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
Depends on how badly your TV currently treats SD picture. The very nature of scaling ensures the picture is less clear than it would look on a native EDTV.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 03:23:15 PM
By looking at the pics on the upscaler site and comparing those to the emulator.... the emulator wins hands down while tied behind it's back and sitting on them.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Caterkiller on March 24, 2010, 04:26:25 PM
Wait so is this new device good or bad BlackNmild? upscaler (this new thing) not as good as the emulator? So don't bother with it right?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: MegaByte on March 24, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
It can never be as good as an emulator. The information simply isn't there to begin with.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 24, 2010, 04:34:23 PM
Wii isn't coming in 2011, the 3DS is releasing that year. I guess we're pushed back to 2012 which is fine by me.
I agree. Another year gives Nintendo more time to beef up the hardware and also ensure there is a good selection of games available at release and soon after.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Stogi on March 24, 2010, 04:57:05 PM
It's strange how the last time I heard of any Nintendo growth was the new studio built for the creator of Brawl and his team.
Nintendo is super-rich, yet they haven't expanded their operations. I know they are trying to serve Korea and China, but I'm talking about their ability to make games. Right now Nintendo releases maybe 4 or 5 game a year per system. With that, they continue to be the number one selling game studio, but I think that if they expanded, they could self-serve their systems almost entirely.
What would that mean for us, the consumers? Well better games for one, but also less diversity...maybe. But I would imagine Nintendo would take the same approach as Google: make other people make money for you. And thus, the Ware project would take on major focus where they get a cut of every game made...basically.
Anyway, this is a fanboys/stock holders dream.
/rant
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
Wait so is this new device good or bad BlackNmild? upscaler (this new thing) not as good as the emulator? So don't bother with it right?
If your Wii looks like crap on your HDTV and you want to try this out, then go for it, but don't expect any miracles. This make smooth out some of the jaggies and whatnot, but the emulator actually renders the game in HD with FSAA and it looks really really good in comparison.
If you do decide to try this out though, let us know if it's any good at what it does.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 24, 2010, 05:10:46 PM
yea, with Nintendo's money bags they should take risks with a new Kid Icarus game, it seems they want the original to sell well on Virtual Console before they'd make a new one, but whether or not it sells well is not a factor on whether or not a sequel is going to be a good game. I think the series has Zelda popularity potential.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 05:23:49 PM
VC version is not something they want to remind people of, or maybe it is and that's why they want that to sell first before so that we remember what it is we are asking for before they invest time and money into making a new one.
But Nintendo has expanded further than the Brawl Studio, they also bought MonolithSoft who is making Xenoblade and they are funding The Last Story and several other games that that may never see release in the US. It's not much but it's more than just the Brawl Studio.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
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Wii isn't coming in 2011, the 3DS is releasing that year. I guess we're pushed back to 2012 which is fine by me.
The GBA and Gamecube both came out in 2001. So it could happen.
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Nintendo is super-rich, yet they haven't expanded their operations. I know they are trying to serve Korea and China, but I'm talking about their ability to make games. Right now Nintendo releases maybe 4 or 5 game a year per system. With that, they continue to be the number one selling game studio, but I think that if they expanded, they could self-serve their systems almost entirely.
This would make the Wii's poor third party support less of an issue. The concern is really a lack of good games coming out in a timely manner. This also would help the core vs. casual issue. If Nintendo is only capable of a certain amount of releases a year then they HAVE to eat into the annual core game releases to release casual stuff. This is just math. But by expanding they can dedicate the same amount of effort to the old core audience that they always have while also serving their new casual audience. They're serving two groups now so expanding their operations seems like a given.
If Nintendo could release one non-port game per month for both their current console and portable that would be ideal. Once in a while the monthly release isn't going to be something that floats your boat but that's no big deal since something new is due in a month. Having three months with nothing interesting you would probably be the worst case scenario. With their current output they can go months without even releasing a game and then if you don't like it the next title could be months away.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
Wii isn't coming in 2011, the 3DS is releasing that year. I guess we're pushed back to 2012 which is fine by me.
I'm putting as much confidence behind Wii2 in 2011 as I did behind DS2 this year. I'm very confident that DS2 will release in Japan this year and will be worldwide before March 2011, Wii2 will be revealed @ E3 2011 and released in Japan in 2011 and worldwide.... before the fiscal year is over.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 24, 2010, 06:38:07 PM
The GBA and Gamecube both came out in 2001. So it could happen.
Good point.
Looks like the 3DS will come out in early 2011, so if the Wii 2 comes out in November-December 2011 then that would be the better part of a year's gap in between the two, and that way the hype of one system shouldn't eclipse that of the other.
Basically, if that happened then 2011 would be a very Nintendo dominated year. Especially if no competing hardware gets released in that time frame.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Adrock on March 24, 2010, 10:23:34 PM
I still think Nintendo will be launching its next home console next year. Nintendo is basically blowing their load this year as every major announced title will likely hit at least Japan this year. E3 2010 will likely be mostly about 3DS and Zelda. I honestly don't think they're going to announce any surprise Wii titles for 2011. Kirby, Star Fox and F-Zero are all MIA this generation but I almost feel like Nintendo is okay with skipping Wii entries in those series if their next console is around the corner.
It's certainly possible for Nintendo to support the Wii as a budget console well into the life of its next console.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2010, 11:31:36 PM
I still think the only reason people think Nintendo is going to launch a new system next year is because they've generally gone with a five-year market life for consoles (NES went for seven years in Japan). The Wii changed a lot of traditional values, and one other it has changed is Nintendo's console life cycle. There isn't much reason for Nintendo to release another system next year because the Wii is still selling better than any other past Nintendo console, there hasn't been word of competitors releasing a new system, and Nintendo will surely want to offer something which is more than/different than simply upgrading the specs whilst keeping the price down (I highly doubt it would exceed $250).
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 12:07:15 AM
Got to agree with MIP on this one. There is no reason to release another console from a fiscal standpoint. Just keep releasing add-ons like MP+ and the vitality sensor and your good to go at least a couple more years.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Caterkiller on March 25, 2010, 12:56:38 AM
My HD TV isnt blury, the word I was looking for after seeing everyones ones posts was "jaggies". Yeah those things would be less noticable huh? I just may pick up this new cord thingy when it comes out.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ThePerm on March 25, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
i would say 2012 at least, i own 34 gamecube games, but i only own 6 wii games..im hoping theres something to make my wii library worth buying the system.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Adrock on March 25, 2010, 01:11:07 AM
I still think the only reason people think Nintendo is going to launch a new system next year is because they've generally gone with a five-year market life for consoles (NES went for seven years in Japan).
Certainly not the whole of it. Wii is still selling well today, but apparently, outside of December 2009, sales have dropped from previous years. Software wise, this is probably the Wii's strongest year, but most people who want Galaxy 2, Other M and Zelda already have a Wii. Nintendo isn't getting much help from 3rd parties and 2011 is looking pretty empty. The Wii platform is starting to show its limitations (not just graphically). Motion Plus can only do so much to extend the system's worth. Most 3rd parties aren't biting. Nintendo has always marched to its own beat which is great and all, but they can try to PR spin it all they want, they want 3rd parties on board because then, they'd be making even more money. I think they're still trying to figure out a way to keep core and casual players happy. It's not going to happen on the Wii. 2011 just seems like a perfectly reasonable time to launch new hardware. I can't imagine Nintendo has a bigger game in the pipeline than Zelda.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 25, 2010, 01:42:07 AM
I say no way it is released in 2011. I thought no before the 3ds and now it pretty much confirmed it for me.
Handhelds are basically eating the consoles alive in Japan, this is not the same as the gba and gc. Releasing them both would put them into way too much direct competition. Plus we still have DQ coming out in Japan at least the following year, that makes it a huge software year already.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 01:43:31 AM
We still have no mention of DQX and I figure E3 or TGS this year would be a good time to at the very least reveal the game.
I really think this upcoming winter (Nov. '10 - March '11) will be the test that decides if Wii2 get the pre-planned E3 2011 reveal and Holiday 2011 release or not. -If sales stay up there and 3rd parties start showing some of the stuff they've been working on by the end of this year, and it looks promising, then maybe Wii will be stretched out till 2012. -If MS & Sony have nothing of worth rumored to be coming up by E3 2011, (I'm sure MS will want to push Xbox720 if Natal fails, Move succeeds and/or 3D on HDTV picks up) since neither of then can seem to plug the leaks, then maybe Nintendo will risk not getting a jump on the competition and string the Wii out till 2012. -If Vitality Sensor catches on like WiiFit and Nintendo has one more crazy idea they wanna try out before finalizing the next system, then maybe Wii gets a season pass good thru 2012.
Otherwise I think Nintendo will continue to follow their nose and pursue new things that can't be done on the Wii since it's their ideas for gameplay that push the need for new hardware.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 25, 2010, 12:11:56 PM
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i own 34 gamecube games, but i only own 6 wii games
Ha! I own more Wii games than Perm! ;D
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Adrock on March 25, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
We still have no mention of DQX and I figure E3 or TGS this year would be a good time to at the very least reveal the game.
I was thinking about that. It could always get delayed. Imagine Nintendo launching with Dragon Quest X. Megaton.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 25, 2010, 05:13:33 PM
DQX could be delayed for the WiiHD3D to include Nintendo ON!-helmet and Vitality Power Glove support.
It's Twilight Princess all over again.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
I was thinking it get officially revealed for Wii this year, and then later next year after teh reveal of Wii2, it get announced that DQX will have special upgrades 2hen played in the Wii2. I don't think they would want to ignore the ginormous Wii audience, but they could also give incentive to upgrade to the new system (since Nintendo will likely be marketing this outside of Japan)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 25, 2010, 06:21:48 PM
Not hearing about Dragon Quest doesn't mean anything. Don't forget that Square Enix went silent on Crystal Bearers so long (over a year where they didn't even MENTION the game) that people though it was canceled. Dragon Quest IX went through something similar.
I honestly don't think Wii 2 will come out any earlier than 2013. Nintendo has no reason to, neither the PlayStation 3 nor Xbox 360 are posing any kind of threat to the Wii right now,
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Mop it up on March 25, 2010, 06:37:54 PM
Still beating you. :cool; I've got 12 but I have this feeling I'm forgetting one.
Wii Sports? Wii Play? Your eighth copy of Super Mario Galaxy?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 25, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
Escape From Fun Island hasn't arrived yet. Sheesh, Amazon is slow.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ThePerm on March 25, 2010, 07:40:53 PM
hopefully i'll be able to play, i can't find my damn a/v cord.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Mannypon on March 25, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Hey, I went ahead and purchased that Wii upscaler attachment, I'll post some impressions when it arives. Lets hope it wasn't a total waste of money lol.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 25, 2010, 08:18:06 PM
Thanks let us know. I'm betting you won't get that good of results though. :/
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Mannypon on March 25, 2010, 08:20:10 PM
Hopefully its an improvement lol, even if its ever so slightly. I don't want to pay money for a downgrade lol.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 25, 2010, 08:22:41 PM
edit: SHYGUY GETS 9 TRILLION POINTS FOR AWESOMENESS!!!!!!
i think he told me exactly where my keys were years ago too, Shyguy is my bedmate!!!!
wat.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2010, 12:10:17 AM
Haha, yeah. I told you your keys were on the table by the front door.
Am I:
A. gifted with the second sight or B. do I have spy cams setup in Perm's house?
Correct answer? Hidden option C.
C. I'm Batman
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: ThePerm on March 26, 2010, 12:11:28 AM
i looked all day in my room for my cables. i have alot of places to look, they weren't where they were supposed to be as i have a special box just for cables and stuff, i on shyguy's advice start scowering the closet, and find them within 5 minutes.
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 26, 2010, 12:26:56 AM
He also knows where you keep your you-know-what.
The question is, is it still there...?
...?
Title: Re: "Wii HD" in 2011?
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 26, 2010, 12:34:22 AM
