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Title: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: wandering on September 02, 2008, 05:19:51 PM
According to metacritic (http://metacritic.com), six Wii games are "universally acclaimed". That is, they have metascores (weighted averages of critic scores) of 90 or higher.
Universally Acclaimed Wii Games:
1. Super Mario Galaxy - 97 2. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The - 95 3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 94 4. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition - 91 5. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 90 6. Okami - 90
You might be thinking "Six games? Great! Now I know what to say if someone claims she can 'count the number of great Wii games on one hand!'" But perhaps you will change your mind after you see the next list.
Universally Acclaimed Xbox 360 Games:
1 Grand Theft Auto IV - 98 2 BioShock - 96 3 Orange Box, The - 96 4 Gears of War - 94 5 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The - 94 6 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - 94 7 Halo 3 - 94 8 Braid - 93 9 Guitar Hero II - 92 10 Rock Band - 92 11 Mass Effect - 91 12 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter - 90 13 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2 - 90 14 Forza Motorsport 2 - 90
As you can see, the Xbox 360 has more than twice as many universally acclaimed games as the Wii. In addition, only one game on the Wii list isn't a sequel (Okami), while four games on the 360 list are original (six, if you count Rock Band and Portal). Furthermore, only two games on the Wii list are third party, and both are ports of last-gen games.
Now let's take a look at the Wii games that have, according to metacritic, "generally favorable reviews" - they have metascores below 90 and above 74.
Generally Well-Received Wii Games:
7 Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - 87 8 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - 86 9 Super Paper Mario - 85 10 Boom Blox - 85 11 MLB Power Pros - 83 12 No More Heroes - 83 13 WarioWare: Smooth Moves - 83 14 Bully: Scholarship Edition - 83 15 Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 - 83 16 Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection - 82 17 Mario Kart Wii - 82 18 Madden NFL 09 All-Play - 82 19 Madden NFL 07 - 81 20 Rock Band - 81 21 LostWinds - 81 22 LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga - 80 23 Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King - 80 24 BlastWorks: Build, Trade, Destroy - 80 25 Trauma Center: Second Opinion - 80 26 Geometry Wars: Galaxies - 80 27 Wii Fit - 80 28 Toki Tori - 79 29 MLB Power Pros 2008 - 79 30 Sam & Max Season One - 79 31 Mario Strikers Charged - 79 32 Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - 78 33 LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures - 78 34 Godfather: Blackhand Edition, The - 77 35 Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon - 77 36 Mercury Meltdown Revolution - 77 37 Rayman Raving Rabbids - 76 38 Madden NFL 08 - 76 39 Trauma Center: New Blood - 76 40 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 1: Homestar Ruiner - 76 41 We Love Golf! - 76 42 SNK Arcade Classics Vol. 1 - 76 43 Wii Sports - 76 44 Order Up! - 76 45 Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles - 75 46 Battalion Wars 2 - 75 47 Elebits - 75
Hmm, that seems like a good amount of good games. Could it be that, while the Xbox 360 has more AAA games, it has less "good not great" games? As it turns out, no. The following list is so long, I'm not going to bother to format it.
Generally Well-Received Xbox 360 games:
15 Call of Duty 2 2005 89 16 Rez HD 2008 89 17 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 2007 89 18 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2006 89 19 Burnout Revenge 2006 89 20 Virtua Fighter 5 2007 89 21 Burnout Paradise 2008 88 22 Project Gotham Racing 3 2005 88 23 Ikaruga 2008 88 24 Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords 2007 87 25 GRID 2008 87 26 Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles, The 2007 86 27 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2005 86 28 Fight Night Round 3 2006 86 29 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2007 86 30 skate 2007 86 31 Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine, The 2006 86 32 Project Gotham Racing 4 2007 85 33 NHL 08 2007 85 34 Castle Crashers 2008 85 35 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 2008 85 36 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent 2006 85 37 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 85 38 Soulcalibur IV 2008 85 39 Dead or Alive 4 2005 85 40 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2008 85 41 Dead Rising 2006 85 42 Madden NFL 09 2008 85 43 Madden NFL 08 2007 85 44 F.E.A.R. 2006 85 45 Civilization Revolution 2008 85 46 Bomberman Live 2007 84 47 Viva Pinata 2006 84 48 NBA 2K7 2006 84 49 Devil May Cry 4 2008 84 50 Pac-Man Championship Edition 2007 83 51 N+ 2008 83 52 DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 2007 83 53 Need for Speed Most Wanted 2005 83 54 Crackdown 2007 83 55 NCAA Football 09 2008 83 56 Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix 2007 83 57 Battlefield: Bad Company 2008 83 58 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 2008 82 59 Unreal Tournament 3 2008 82 60 Darkness, The 2007 82 61 Test Drive Unlimited 2006 82 62 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2006 82 63 Hitman: Blood Money 2006 82 64 Prince of Persia Classic 2007 82 65 Call of Duty 3 2006 82 66 Football Manager 2007 2006 82 67 Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars 2007 82 68 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 2007 82 69 FIFA Soccer 08 2007 82 70 College Hoops 2K7 2006 82 71 Condemned: Criminal Origins 2005 81 72 Tony Hawk's Project 8 2006 81 73 NBA 2K8 2007 81 74 Football Manager 2006 2006 81 75 Assassin's Creed 2007 81 76 Saints Row 2006 81 77 LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 2006 81 78 NCAA Football 08 2007 81 79 Sensible World of Soccer 2007 81 80 Uno 2006 81 81 Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis 2006 81 82 Ninja Gaiden II 2008 81 83 Condemned 2: Bloodshot 2008 81 84 Poker Smash 2008 81 85 College Hoops 2K8 2007 81 86 Catan 2007 81 87 NBA 2K6 2005 81 88 Perfect Dark Zero 2005 81 89 WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 2006 81 90 Cloning Clyde 2006 81 91 Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation 2007 80 92 Bully: Scholarship Edition 2008 80 93 Madden NFL 07 2006 80 94 NBA Street Homecourt 2007 80 95 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 2006 80 96 Tomb Raider: Legend 2006 80 97 Tales of Vesperia 2008 80 98 Peter Jackson's King Kong 2005 80 99 Moto GP 06 2006 80 100 LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga 2007 80 101 Virtua Tennis 3 2007 80 102 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 2007 80 103 UEFA Euro 2008 2008 80 104 Doom 2006 80 105 Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer 2007 2007 80 106 FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage 2007 80 107 Kameo: Elements of Power 2005 79 108 BIGS, The 2007 79 109 NHL 07 2006 79 110 Lost Planet: Extreme Condition 2007 79 111 NCAA Football 07 2006 79 112 Soulcalibur 2008 79 113 Pro Evolution Soccer 6 2006 79 114 Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, The 2006 79 115 Hexic HD 2005 79 116 Eternal Sonata 2007 79 117 Alien Hominid HD 2007 79 118 Prey 2006 79 119 Mercenaries 2: World in Flames 2008 79 120 Carcassonne 2007 79 121 Assault Heroes 2006 79 122 Major League Baseball 2K7 2007 79 123 Marble Blast Ultra 2006 79 124 Blue Dragon 2007 79 125 Roogoo 2008 78 126 Lost Odyssey 2008 78 127 Astropop 2006 78 128 Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Colonies Edition 2008 78 129 Moto GP 07 2007 78 130 Naruto: Rise of a Ninja 2007 78 131 NHL 2K7 2006 78 132 Far Cry Instincts Predator 2006 78 133 Metal Slug 3 2008 78 134 Switchball 2007 78 135 Every Extend Extra Extreme 2007 78 136 Mutant Storm Reloaded 2005 77 137 Sega Rally Revo 2007 77 138 Eets: Chowdown 2007 77 139 LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 77 140 Battlefield 2: Modern Combat 2006 77 141 Sonic the Hedgehog Arcade 2007 77 142 Wik: The Fable of Souls 2005 77 143 Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Anniversary 2007 77 144 Lumines Live! 2006 77 145 NFL Head Coach 09 2008 77 146 Stranglehold 2007 77 147 Top Spin 3 2008 77 148 Zuma Deluxe 2005 77 149 Outpost Kaloki X 2005 77 150 Mutant Storm Empire 2007 77 151 Galaga Legions 2008 77 152 Need for Speed Carbon 2006 77 153 Godfather, The 2006 77 154 Heavy Weapon: Atomic Tank 2007 77 155 Football Manager 2008 2008 77 156 Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 2008 76 157 Street Fighter II' Hyper Fighting 2006 76 158 Chessmaster Live 2008 76 159 Penny Arcade Adventures Epsiode One: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 2008 76 160 Club, The 2008 76 161 Undertow 2007 76 162 Streets of Rage 2 2007 76 163 Overlord 2007 76 164 Worms 2007 76 165 RoboBlitz 2006 76 166 Top Spin 2 2006 75 167 NHL 2K6 2005 75 168 Stuntman: Ignition 2007 75 169 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland 2005 75 170 Kung Fu Panda 2008 75 171 All-Pro Football 2K8 2007 75 172 Frontlines: Fuel of War 2008 75 173 Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath 2008 75 174 Exit 2007 75 175 Smash TV 2005 75 176 Culdcept Saga 2008 75 177 Assault Heroes 2 2008 75 178 Gun 2005 75
Number of Wii games with good/great reviews: 47 Number of Xbox 360 games with good/great reviews: 178
Approximate number of THIRD PARTY Wii games with good/great reviews: 36 Approximate number of THIRD PARTY Xbox 360 games with good.great reviews: 172
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
I only count 6 on the 360 list as well... :cool;
But seriously, this proves what? That reviewers like 360 games more? Whoop-de-doo...
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 05:27:09 PM
The Wii doesn't have games, period, only re-packaged waggle minigames.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 02, 2008, 05:31:31 PM
I own 25 Wii games and like all of them but when I went through the GameStop listings I only found 14 360 games I'm interested in, therefore the Wii is way better and my personal opinion is 100% right and MetaCritic is completely wrong, and anyone who argues with me is just fooling themselves.
Seriously, though, who cares how games are ranked on MetaCritic? Play what you like and don't pay attention to that.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Ian Sane on September 02, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
Bill's response is pretty much exactly what I expected.
The Wii is polarizing on these boards. No one seems to think it's decent or okay. It's either a majorly disappointing console full of shovelware or the greatest console Nintendo's ever made with so many classic games that one can't keep up.
I agree with the critics as "reviews don't mean anything" is typically the defense of people with horrible tastes. I encounter the same thing from people at work that like the Scooby Doo movies (and also watch American Idol). Every critic is way off some times but they can't ALL be way off on 90% of the Wii games released.
I figure someone will mention that reviewers aren't part of Nintendo's target demo so it makes sense that the reviews aren't as favourable. But that same person will then deny that Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore gamers - the gamers who's tastes correspond with the reviewers that are not part of Nintendo's target demographic.
No one complained about reviews until Nintendo released Geist and got mediocre reviews for a mediocre game. Nintendo games can't get average scores so the review system was thus broken and needed to be fixed. When Ocarina of Time was getting perfect 10's from everybody reviews were awesome.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 02, 2008, 05:51:02 PM
If 360 games are so good then why do I own 43 Wii retail games and only 24 retail 360 games and 10 PS3 retail games?? (Before assumptions come up I owned a 360 longer than a Wii) Metacritic and gamerankings which are both ran by cnet prove nothing. Why do you want a review score to dictate a purchase for you?? Sure they can help you if you are on the fence but seriously a REVIEWER'S OPINION IS NOT YOUR OWN OPINION.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 06:03:47 PM
Ian said you and Bill have horrible taste.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 06:26:50 PM
I'll explain it perfectly, the mainstream media hates casual games, even quality ones. Also what is with all the Xbox Live Arcade and WiiWare on those lists?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 02, 2008, 06:30:05 PM
Because metacritic counts download able games as a part of the console not as a separate download service most likely to simplify the listings.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 02, 2008, 06:35:12 PM
And that's where another problem with this comparison comes from. If you look at the lists, you'll see that MetaCritic doesn't count Virtual Console games, but it counts all Xbox Live games. So Sonic 1 and 2 are both counted as good games on the 360 list, but they're not counted on the Wii's list.
If your going to count all Xbox Live games, then you have to count all Virtual Console games as well. And when you count Virtual Console titles, the Wii list of good games ends up being easily comparable to the Xbox 360 list.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2008, 06:53:59 PM
Really, I don't see the point of this thread, except to keeping fanning the Nintendo angst that is popular nowadays. In other words, trolling.
This has been done to DEATH and the results are always the same; love or hate the Wii you end up looking like a jackass.
This is why I don't post on NWR that much anymore. Its no longer about discussing our favorite games, why we loved them or even why we hated certain games. No, its now about how "The Wii is polarizing these boards", trying to make a statement about either Nintendo's ingenuity or failure to grasp the gamer market. You can't discuss a game without saying "Oh, this isn't a triple A game", or "this doesn't have good graphics". Its no longer about playing a game for the hell of it, no. Its now an ongoing debacle about which system's extends your penis longer or which one gives you street cred. Those that hate the Wii MUST somehow convince the masses that their enjoyment is unjustified and that Nintendo is "DESTROYING GAMING!".
Really, the angst needs to STOP. Nintendo did not rape anyone, Nintendo did not kill anyone, Nintendo did not create a weapon of mass destruction and Nintendo did not step on kittens. Nintendo hasn't done anything that warrants this much hate, even within those that call themselves "Nintendo fans".
With this I am done.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Pale on September 02, 2008, 07:02:16 PM
How'd the PS3 do?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 02, 2008, 07:05:09 PM
Ask Silks, he's our PS3 advocate.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 07:13:12 PM
Probably comparable to Xbox 360 since its big games are mostly multiplatform.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Deguello on September 02, 2008, 07:22:29 PM
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This is why I don't post on NWR that much anymore.
Hear Hear. Just imagine when it's our staffers that do it. Certainly doesn't help for community reinforcement.
And Ian's post is so full of LOL. He speaks of Nintendo fans in the third person like he's not one anymore (and everybody's known that since 2002) and pulls Geist up out of nowhere. He's literally grasping at straws to seem relevant and all it does is make him look totally foolish and he'll do it again tomorrow because this is his only joy in life.
That and telling people they have "horrible tastes" like he's some kind of connoisseur, even though the links in his signature are to the worst movies I've ever seen and PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. Stop the pretense.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2008, 07:23:26 PM
Bill's response is pretty much exactly what I expected.
The Wii is polarizing on these boards. No one seems to think it's decent or okay. It's either a majorly disappointing console full of shovelware or the greatest console Nintendo's ever made with so many classic games that one can't keep up.
I agree with the critics as "reviews don't mean anything" is typically the defense of people with horrible tastes.
Oh hey Ian, I pretty much expected this sort of response from you as well! Let's be best friends forever!
Note I never said that the Wii is the best system ever (that title belongs to the SNES, and will soon be transferred to the DS)...Note that I never said that every Wii game is amazing or even decent...Let's stop shoving words in other people's mouths, okay? =)
In the end it all boils down to your own personal taste, and not a reviewer's, and if liking more Wii games than 360 games somehow makes me one that has bad taste, then so be it...Then again, I'd rather have enthusiasm in my "bad taste" for games than be a grumpy stick-in-the-mud that doesn't like ANY game made in the past 10 years and refuses to actually participate in wholesome discussion about an upcoming game...
This is why I don't post on NWR that much anymore. Its no longer about discussing our favorite games, why we loved them or even why we hated certain games.
YES! It's bloody depressing when a topic about a new and interesting game is posted, for it to be completely ignored in favor of some whiny-ass bitchfest "staff blog" or anything similar...
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Ian Sane on September 02, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
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even though the links in his signature are to the worst movies I've ever seen
You've actually watched them? That's funny! I don't know why but it seems funny to me that you would actually check them out. To be fair most of those I would agree are absolute sh!t as they were made by my brothers in high school. They're on there because one brother is too easily confused by the internets to create his own account and the other is too damn lazy. I will however defend the Fatal Bullet films. :)
As for the wrestling, f*ck, people get it or they don't. :) I learned long ago that you can argue this or that about it but then that week the WWE will do something embarrassing and stupid that kills your argument because people assume if you like SOME wrestling then you must like ALL of it. I haven't watched current wrestling in years because of that. The product shifted in a direction where I found I liked none of it. And even when I liked it was like you watched a show that's 80% horrible crap for 20% of awesome.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: ThePerm on September 02, 2008, 07:50:32 PM
They should have called Wii the Meh,
l pretty much usually agree with Ian. However,i would like to make another claim. I'm not into gaming as much anymore. Its just not as much fun as it used to be. Theres a certain sort of variety Nintendo doesn't have that they had in say 1998. I played Mario kart wii yesterday, and I have to say i didn't care for it. Nintendo is just so behind on everything. I hate being the type that isn't in control of the industry. I know that if i were everything would be better than it is now. Same with the movie industry, however the movie industry gets points ahead because they are more close to what I desire, and sometimes they surprise me. The video game industry is predictable, with little room for innovation. Publishers are too safe, and don't take risks, and theres little expansion. Even though Nintendo is trying to correct this, they are still missing the boat.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 08:08:41 PM
Nintendo released like 1 game in 1998.
Face it, you don't like Mario Kart anymore cuz the karts don't have that wonderful "zippy" engine sound they used to.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Deguello on September 02, 2008, 08:38:35 PM
even though the links in his signature are to the worst movies I've ever seen
You've actually watched them? That's funny! I don't know why but it seems funny to me that you would actually check them out. To be fair most of those I would agree are absolute sh!t as they were made by my brothers in high school. They're on there because one brother is too easily confused by the internets to create his own account and the other is too damn lazy. I will however defend the Fatal Bullet films. :)
As for the wrestling, f*ck, people get it or they don't. :) I learned long ago that you can argue this or that about it but then that week the WWE will do something embarrassing and stupid that kills your argument because people assume if you like SOME wrestling then you must like ALL of it. I haven't watched current wrestling in years because of that. The product shifted in a direction where I found I liked none of it. And even when I liked it was like you watched a show that's 80% horrible crap for 20% of awesome.
I didn't ask for self-depreciating tripe about why what's in your links is god-awful, I just want your agreement that your tastes are awful because you've given it valuable disk space over a three minute Youtube of a chicken doing nothing.
And Professional Wrestling, no matter how it changed over how many years, has and always will be the pathetic entertainment associated with classless hicks, and the majority of reviewers of any medium think so. In order for you to lay claim that, because the majority of reviewers hate Wii games, then they are crappy, then you MUST agree that Professional Wrestling has never been enjoyed by anybody but inbred hillbillies and Northerners that strangely want to be them.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 08:47:25 PM
I think Deg is pathetic for degrading those of us who like Pro Wrestling.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Morari on September 02, 2008, 08:50:46 PM
Too bad for the Xbox that all of its games are also available (and much better) on the PC. :P
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: redgiemental on September 02, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
Countering one person's prejudice with your own baseless and borderline offensive prejudice............interesting Deguello
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 02, 2008, 08:57:19 PM
The main flaw in this topic is the amount of games a console has that are highly rated doesn't mean sh!t. If your someone who doesn't like First Person Shooters, then a lot of the games on the 360's list are worthless. If your not a fan of any Mario games then a lot of Wii games can be worthless as well.
What it comes down to in the end is people buy what interest them and what they want. The 360 could have a million games with an average review of over 75% and it wouldn't matter. If none of those games interest somebody, they're not going to care. Just like how if the Wii doesn't have any games that interest anybody they're not going to care.
So if somebody is interested in only 15 of those 47 Wii games and only 15 of those 178 Xbox 360 games, can you really consider one system better then the other?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Armak88 on September 02, 2008, 08:59:44 PM
I think it comes down to what kind of games you enjoy as well. I like Action/Adventure, platformers, puzzle games and RPG's. I only really like the odd fighter, I hate sports games, and I never really enjoyed FPS's. So tell me what is there for me in this list of universally acclaimed games on the XBOX360? I buy Nintendo's new systems because Zelda games are the best of my favourite kind of game. Now these genres are more scarce than they used to be and Nintendo is the only place I know that my appetite will be filled in these area's. The only genre that is lacking is RPG's, but I haven't really liked the direction that they have been going in for the last little while anyways.
Now before I'm burned at the stake, let me say that I do not disregard games entirely based on the genre of the game. I played GOW co-op at my friends place and loved it. I only like fighters when there is someone else to play against who can be competitive, most the time I'll get good, start kicking ass and nobody will play me anymore. My point is simply this, I know what I want and where to get it, this list is irrelevant to anyone who is in the same boat. However, seeing a list of "Universally Acclaimed" games for each system would be helpful if you didn't know what kind of atmosphere each system had to offer and were looking into getting one.
PS. If you didn't read this just read luigi dude's comment, same difference.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Mario on September 02, 2008, 09:26:54 PM
$$$ :) - wii sux LOL <|> ./ \.
I noticed that when looking at Kororinpa reviews a long time ago after playing the game that reviewers had actually resorted to flat out lies about Wii games to dock the score, thinking "no hardcore will enter here, bwahahahaha".
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 09:31:13 PM
That's an amazing representation of game journalism.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Deguello on September 02, 2008, 09:45:15 PM
Countering one person's prejudice with your own baseless and borderline offensive prejudice............interesting Deguello
Hey, it only applies if he considers the people who resist popular critical opinion as "people with horrible tastes." That is the popular critical opinion of professional wrestling.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
Countering one person's prejudice with your own baseless and borderline offensive prejudice............interesting Deguello
Hey, it only applies if he considers the people who resist popular critical opinion as "people with horrible tastes." That is the popular critical opinion of professional wrestling.
Hmm, Ok I KIND OF forgive you. :P
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: wandering on September 02, 2008, 10:11:39 PM
I noticed that when looking at Kororinpa reviews a long time ago after playing the game that reviewers had actually resorted to flat out lies about Wii games to dock the score, thinking "no hardcore will enter here, bwahahahaha".
Really, I don't see the point of this thread, except to keeping fanning the Nintendo angst that is popular nowadays. In other words, trolling.
I'm hoping this thread will:
1) Get people who haven't taken a good look at what the Xbox 360 (and other non-Nintendo systems) have to offer, to do do.
2) Stop people from shrugging aside complaints about the Wii's game library and third party support. "How dare you complain about Wii's game library! You don't even own *Insert decent third-party Wii game here*!!!"
1 Grand Theft Auto IV 2008 98 2 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 94 3 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 2008 94 4 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 2007 93 5 Rock Band 2007 92
Generally Well-Received PS3 Games:
6 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction 2007 89 7 Orange Box, The 2007 89 8 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune 2007 88 9 Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2007 88 10 Burnout Paradise 2008 87 11 GRID 2008 87 12 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2008 87 13 Unreal Tournament 3 2007 86 14 Resistance: Fall of Man 2006 86 15 Soulcalibur IV 2008 86 16 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2007 86 17 NHL 08 2007 86 18 Madden NFL 09 2008 85 19 MLB 08: The Show 2008 85 20 Virtua Fighter 5 2007 85 21 Super Stardust HD 2007 85 22 Civilization Revolution 2008 85 23 skate 2007 85 24 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2007 84 25 MotorStorm (JPN Import Version) 2006 84 26 Devil May Cry 4 2008 84 27 Battlefield: Bad Company 2008 84 28 Warhawk 2007 84 29 PixelJunk Monsters 2008 83 30 Everyday Shooter 2007 83 31 Fight Night Round 3 2006 83 32 DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 2007 83 33 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 2008 83 34 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 83 35 Metal Gear Online 2008 83 36 SingStar 2008 82 37 MotorStorm 2007 82 38 Gran Turismo HD Concept 2006 82 39 Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix 2007 82 40 Condemned 2: Bloodshot 2008 82 41 College Hoops 2K8 2007 82 42 PixelJunk Monsters Encore 2008 82 43 Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection 2007 82 44 Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds 2008 81 45 NBA 2K8 2007 81 46 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 2008 81 47 College Hoops 2K7 2007 81 48 NCAA Football 09 2008 81 49 NBA Street Homecourt 2007 81 50 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 2006 81 51 Echochrome 2008 81 52 Madden NFL 08 2007 81 53 FIFA Soccer 08 2007 81 54 Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection Online 2007 81 55 Assassin's Creed 2007 80 56 NBA 2K7 2006 80 57 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue 2008 80 58 SingStar Vol. 2 2008 80 59 Virtua Tennis 3 2007 80 60 Call of Duty 3 2006 80 61 Darkness, The 2007 80 62 PixelJunk Eden 2008 80 63 LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga 2007 80 64 SIREN: Blood Curse 2008 79 65 Heavenly Sword 2007 79 66 NHL 2K7 2006 79 67 UEFA Euro 2008 2008 79 68 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 2007 79 69 Mercenaries 2: World in Flames 2008 79 70 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2006 78 71 Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice 2008 78 72 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent 2007 78 73 Ridge Racer 7 2006 78 74 BIGS, The 2007 77 75 Buzz! Quiz TV 2008 77 76 Calling All Cars! 2007 77 77 NCAA Football 08 2007 77 78 Stranglehold 2007 77 79 MLB 07: The Show 2007 77 80 Madden NFL 07 2006 76 81 LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 76 82 Kung Fu Panda 2008 76 83 Tony Hawk's Project 8 2006 76 84 Stuntman: Ignition 2007 76 85 Medal of Honor Airborne 2007 75 86 Sega Rally Revo 2007 75 87 Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty 2008 75 88 Need for Speed Carbon 2006 75 89 World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets 2007 75 90 Folklore 2007 75
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 10:17:06 PM
I can play most of those PS3 games on my PC. So PC shows how pitiful ALL systems are, because score=fun. Who needs variety when you can have 50 bazillion shooters dominating a system? The end.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 02, 2008, 10:55:40 PM
Wandering should either be banned or made staff if he's going to post things like this.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2008, 11:02:43 PM
Universally Acclaimed PC games:
1 Half-Life 2 2004 96 2 Out of the Park Baseball 2007 2007 96 3 Orange Box, The 2007 96 4 Half-Life 1998 96 5 BioShock 2007 96 6 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 2000 95 7 Command & Conquer 1995 94 8 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 2003 94 9 Civilization II 1996 94 10 Quake 1996 94 11 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 2006 94 12 Grim Fandango 1998 94 13 Diablo 1996 94 14 Civilization IV 2005 94 15 Company of Heroes 2006 93 16 Unreal Tournament 2004 2004 93 17 Grand Theft Auto III 2002 93 18 Homeworld 1999 93 19 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2003 93 20 World of Warcraft 2004 93 21 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 93 22 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 2005 93 23 Day of the Tentacle 1993 93 24 Pro Evolution Soccer 4 2004 92 25 Championship Manager 4 2003 92 26 Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 2002 92 27 Sid Meier's Gettysburg! 1997 92 28 Sims, The 2000 92 29 World Soccer Winning Eleven 7 International 2004 92 30 Sims: Deluxe Edition, The 2002 92 31 Team Fortress 2 2007 92 32 System Shock 2 1999 92 33 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory 2005 92 34 Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 2008 92 35 Rome: Total War 2004 92 36 Thief: The Dark Project 1998 92 37 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings 1999 92 38 Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri 1999 92 39 Unreal Tournament 1999 92 40 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003 2002 92 41 Medal of Honor Allied Assault 2002 91 42 Myth: The Fallen Lords 1997 91 43 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2008 91 44 F1 Challenge '99-'02 2003 91 45 Baldur's Gate 1998 91 46 IL-2 Sturmovik 2001 91 47 Freespace 2 1999 91 48 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 2003 91 49 Crysis 2007 91 50 World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 2007 91 51 Longest Journey, The 2000 91 52 Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II 1997 91 53 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 2004 91 54 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 2000 91 55 Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar 2007 91 56 No One Lives Forever 2000 91 57 Battlefield 2 2005 91 58 Planescape: Torment 1999 91 59 Neverwinter Nights 2002 91 60 No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way 2002 91 61 Madden NFL 2004 2003 91 62 Call of Duty 2003 91 63 Championship Manager: Season 01/02 2001 91 64 Sims 2, The 2004 90 65 Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 2003 90 66 Black & White 2001 90 67 Portal 2007 90 68 Half-Life 2: Episode Two 2007 90 69 NHL 2001 2000 90 70 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 2002 90 71 Deus Ex 2000 90 72 Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay - Developer's Cut, The 2004 90 73 Civilization III 2001 90 74 Silent Hunter III 2005 90 75 Mass Effect 2008 90 76 Falcon 4.0: Allied Force 2005 90 77 Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 2001 90 78 Freedom Force 2002 90 79 GTR 2 2006 90 80 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 1996 90
Generally Well received PC games:
81 Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast 2002 89 82 Age of Mythology 2002 89 83 Sacrifice 2000 89 84 Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, The 2002 89 85 Beast Within: A Gabriel Knight Mystery, The 1995 89 86 Fallout 1997 89 87 Pro Evolution Soccer 5 2005 89 88 Football Manager 2005 2004 89 89 NASCAR Racing 2002 Season 2002 89 90 Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin 2002 89 91 Homeworld: Cataclysm 2000 89 92 Guild Wars 2005 89 93 Max Payne 2001 89 94 Football Manager 2006 2005 89 95 World in Conflict 2007 89 96 NASCAR Racing 4 2001 89 97 Star Control 3 1996 89 98 Duke Nukem 3D 1996 89 99 Decisive Battles of World War II: Korsun Pocket 2003 89 100 Far Cry 2004 89 101 Rise of Nations 2003 89 102 Curse of Monkey Island, The 1997 89 103 NASCAR Racing 2003 Season 2003 89 104 Descent 3 2000 89 105 Descent II 1996 89 106 Battlefield 1942 2002 89 107 Madden NFL 2003 2002 89 108 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 2003 89 109 Railroad Tycoon II 1998 89 110 FirePower for Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 2004 88 111 Medieval: Total War 2002 88 112 Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004: A Century of Flight 2003 88 113 Mafia 2002 88 114 Superbike 2001 2000 88 115 F.E.A.R. 2005 88 116 Tribes 2 2001 88 117 Age of Empires II: The Conquerors 2000 88 118 GRID 2008 88 119 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 2003 88 120 Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 2003 88 121 Starcraft 1998 88 122 World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International 2005 88 123 Myth II: Soulblighter 1998 88 124 Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2001 88 125 Shogo: Mobile Armor Division 1998 88 126 Pro Evolution Soccer 6 2006 88 127 Medieval II: Total War 2006 88 128 F1 2002 2002 88 129 Counter-Strike: Source 2004 88 130 Rise of Nations: Thrones and Patriots 2004 88 131 Sid Meier's Pirates! 2004 88 132 Sins of a Solar Empire 2008 88 133 Armadillo Run 2006 88 134 Dark Age of Camelot 2001 88 135 Half-Life: Counter-Strike 2000 88 136 Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal 2001 88 137 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 2003 88 138 Diablo II 2000 88 139 Doom 3 2004 87 140 Out of the Park Baseball 6 2004 87 141 Europa Universalis II 2001 87 142 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow 2004 87 143 MechWarrior 4: Vengeance 2000 87 144 Thief II: The Metal Age 2000 87 145 Diablo II: Lord of Destruction 2001 87 146 Half-Life 2: Episode One 2006 87 147 Hitman 2: Silent Assassin 2002 87 148 NHL 2002 2001 87 149 Icewind Dale 2000 87 150 Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns 2001 87 151 Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 2005 87 152 Serious Sam: The First Encounter 2001 87 153 Grand Prix 3 2000 87 154 Colin McRae Rally 04 2004 87 155 Shogun: Total War Warlord Edition 2001 87 156 Call of Duty: United Offensive 2004 87 157 Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts 2007 87 158 Football Manager 2007 2006 87 159 Psychonauts 2005 87 160 Out of the Park Baseball 4 2002 87 161 NHL 2004 2003 87 162 Zeus: Master of Olympus 2000 87 163 Gears of War 2007 87 164 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade 2006 87 165 Descent 1995 87 166 Commandos 2: Men of Courage 2001 87 167 Supreme Commander 2007 86 168 Enemy Engaged Comanche Versus Hokum 2000 86 169 Fallout 2 1998 86 170 Startopia 2001 86 171 Call of Duty 2 2005 86 172 Football Manager 2008 2007 86 173 Ground Control 2000 86 174 Steel Beasts 2000 86 175 Total Annihilation 1997 86 176 EverQuest: Omens of War 2004 86 177 Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword 2007 86 178 Freedom Force vs. the Third Reich 2005 86 179 LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 2006 86 180 Dungeon Siege 2002 86 181 Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne 2003 86 182 Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords 2006 86 183 Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force 2000 86 184 IL-2 Sturmovik: The Forgotten Battles 2003 86 185 Unreal Tournament 2003 2002 86 186 Links 2001 2000 86 187 Full Throttle 1995 86 188 Age of Wonders II: The Wizard's Throne 2002 86 189 EverQuest: The Ruins of Kunark 2000 86 190 Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar, The 2007 86 191 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 2004 86 192 Escape From Monkey Island 2000 86 193 Command & Conquer: Yuri's Revenge 2001 86 194 Europa Universalis 2001 86 195 IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946 2006 86 196 Civilization III: Conquests 2003 86 197 Poxnora 2006 86 198 Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles, The 2007 86 199 Allegiance 2000 86 200 Concorde Professional 2005 85 201 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 1998 85 202 Falcon 4.0 1998 85 203 Madden NFL 2005 2004 85 204 Sam & Max Episode 205: What's New, Beelzebub? 2008 85 205 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2006 85 206 City of Heroes 2004 85 207 SWAT 4 2005 85 208 Clive Barker's Undying 2001 85 209 EverQuest 1999 85 210 Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars 2007 85 211 Tropico 2001 85 212 Wizardry 8 2001 85 213 Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis 2001 85 214 Aliens vs. Predator 2 2001 85 215 Giants: Citizen Kabuto 2000 85 216 NASCAR SimRacing 2005 85 217 GTR: FIA GT Racing Game 2005 85 218 America's Army: Special Forces 2003 85 219 Medieval II: Total War Kingdoms 2007 85 220 Peggle 2007 85 221 Monopoly Tycoon 2001 85 222 Indigo Prophecy 2005 85 223 Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones 2005 85 224 Sam & Max Episode 204: Chariots of the Dogs 2008 85 225 Freelancer 2003 85 226 Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords 2005 85 227 MVP Baseball 2005 2005 85 228 Elder Scrolls III: Bloodmoon, The 2003 85 229 Thief: Deadly Shadows 2004 85 230 FIFA 2001 2000 85 231 EverQuest: Gates of Discord 2004 85 232 Aquaria 2007 85 233 Final Fantasy XI 2003 85 234 AudioSurf 2008 85 235 Nancy Drew: The Haunted Carousel 2003 85 236 American McGee's Alice 2000 85 237 IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles - Ace Expansion Pack 2004 85 238 Serious Sam: The Second Encounter 2002 85 239 Sims: Hot Date, The 2001 85 240 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Winter Assault 2005 85 241 Tony Hawk's Underground 2 2004 85 242 Dark Age of Camelot: Shrouded Isles 2002 85 243 Anarchy Online: Shadowlands 2003 85 244 Obsidian 1997 85 245 Movies, The 2005 84 246 Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark 2003 84 247 Sid Meier's SimGolf 2002 84 248 Command & Conquer: Generals 2003 84 249 Championship Manager: Season 03/04 2003 84 250 GT Legends 2005 84 251 Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords 2007 84 252 Shogun: Total War 2000 84 253 Operation Flashpoint Gold Upgrade: Red Hammer 2002 84 254 Sub Command 2001 84 255 Heroes of Might and Magic IV 2002 84 256 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 2000 84 257 DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 2007 84 258 Guild Wars Factions 2006 84 259 Disciples II: Dark Prophecy 2002 84 260 Age of Mythology: The Titans 2003 84 261 Moto GP 2 2003 84 262 SimCity 4 2003 84 263 Microsoft Train Simulator 2001 84 264 Space Rangers 2: Dominators 2005 84 265 Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends 2006 84 266 TOCA Race Driver 3 2006 84 267 DEFCON: Everybody Dies 2006 84 268 Tron 2.0 2003 84 269 Naked War 2006 84 270 Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood 2005 84 271 Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, The 2006 84 272 Battlefield Vietnam 2004 84 273 Medieval: Total War - Viking Invasion 2003 84 274 Guild Wars Nightfall 2006 84 275 Enemy Territory: Quake Wars 2007 84 276 Fate 2005 84 277 Civilization IV: Warlords 2006 84 278 Battlefield 1942: The Road to Rome 2003 84 279 Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares 1996 84 280 Zeus Official Expansion: Poseidon 2001 84 281 Darwinia 2005 84 282 Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan 2006 83 283 TrackMania United Forever 2008 83 284 MDK2 2000 83 285 Beyond Good & Evil 2003 83 286 Mr. Robot 2007 83 287 Halo 2003 83 288 Unreal Tournament 3 2007 83 289 EverQuest: Shadows of Luclin 2001 83 290 Galactic Civilizations 2003 83 291 Silent Storm 2004 83 292 Xtreme Air Racing 2001 83 293 Homeworld 2 2003 83 294 Command & Conquer: Generals - Zero Hour 2003 83 295 Fable: The Lost Chapters 2005 83 296 Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Anniversary 2007 83 297 EverQuest II: Rise of Kunark 2007 83 298 Hearts of Iron II 2005 83 299 Riven: The Sequel to Myst 1997 83 300 FIFA Soccer 2003 2002 83 301 Icewind Dale II 2002 83 302 Age of Empires 1997 83 303 Wings of Power: WWII Heavy Bombers and Jets 2004 83 304 Colin McRae Rally 3 2003 83 305 EverQuest II: Echoes of Faydwer 2006 83 306 EverQuest II 2004 83 307 Colin McRae Rally 2.0 2001 83 308 Doom II 1994 83 309 Combat Flight Simulator 2: WWII Pacific Theater 2000 83 310 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 2003 83 311 World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars 2003 83 312 Prey 2006 83 313 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2002 2002 83 314 Crimson Skies 2000 83 315 Fighter Ace 3.5 2002 83 316 Race 07: The Official WTCC Game 2007 83 317 Dark Age of Camelot: Catacombs 2004 83 318 Colin McRae Rally 2005 2004 83 319 Spore Creature Creator 2008 83 320 Tribes: Vengeance 2004 83 321 Myst III: Exile 2001 83 322 Independence War 2: Edge of Chaos 2001 83 323 Europa Universalis III 2007 83 324 Prince of Persia: Warrior Within 2004 83 325 Trials 2: Second Edition 2008 83 326 Metal Gear Solid 2000 83 327 MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries 2002 83 328 Capitalism II 2001 82 329 Rally Trophy 2001 82 330 City of Villains 2005 82 331 Act of War: Direct Action 2005 82 332 Sam & Max Episode 5: Reality 2.0 2007 82 333 Dangerous Waters 2005 82 334 Tomb Raider: Legend 2006 82 335 Asheron's Call 2: Fallen Kings 2002 82 336 Neverwinter Nights 2 2006 82 337 Rome: Total War - Barbarian Invasion 2005 82 338 Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer 2007 82 339 Broken Sword: The Sleeping Dragon 2003 82 340 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Desert Siege 2002 82 341 Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic 2003 82 342 Warlords Battlecry II 2002 82 343 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2006 82 344 Need for Speed Underground 2003 82 345 TrackMania Sunrise 2005 82 346 Sid Meier's Antietam! 1999 82 347 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder 2002 82 348 S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl 2007 82 349 Airborne Assault: Red Devils Over Arnhem 2002 82 350 Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel 2001 82 351 Need for Speed Underground 2 2004 82 352 NHL Eastside Hockey Manager 2005 2005 82 353 Sam & Max Episode 201: Ice Station Santa 2007 82 354 Dominions 3: The Awakening 2006 82 355 Warlords: Battlecry 2000 82 356 Richard Burns Rally 2004 82 357 Battle Realms 2001 82 358 MVP Baseball 2004 2004 82 359 Europa 1400: The Guild 2002 82 360 Myst IV Revelation 2004 82 361 X-Plane 8 2004 82 362 Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Acceleration 2007 82 363 Blood 1997 82 364 Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer 2003 82 365 Sims: Livin' Large, The 2000 82 366 Syberia 2002 82 367 Links 2003 2002 82 368 Earth & Beyond 2002 82 369 Virtual Pool 3 2000 82 370 Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising 2004 82 371 Xpand Rally 2004 82 372 B-17 Flying Fortress II: The Mighty Eighth 2000 82 373 Celtic Kings: Rage of War 2002 82 374 EverQuest: The Scars of Velious 2000 82 375 Bookworm Adventures 2006 82 376 Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth 2004 82 377 Hitman: Blood Money 2006 82 378 Need for Speed Most Wanted 2005 82 379 Out of the Park Baseball 9 2008 82 380 America's Army: Operations 2002 82 381 Star Trek: Bridge Commander 2002 82 382 Simpsons: Hit & Run, The 2003 82 383 Last Express, The 1997 82 384 Quake 4 2005 81 385 Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance 2007 81 386 Painkiller 2004 81 387 Nancy Drew: Danger on Deception Island 2003 81 388 Airborne Assault: Highway to the Reich 2003 81 389 Starships Unlimited: Divided Galaxies 2002 81 390 Sam & Max Episode 202: Moai Better Blues 2008 81 391 Jade Empire: Special Edition 2007 81 392 SWAT 3: Elite Edition 2000 81 393 Asheron's Call 1999 81 394 Midnight Club II 2003 81 395 Chessmaster 10th Edition 2004 81 396 RACE: The WTCC Game 2006 81 397 Age of Empires III 2005 81 398 OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast 2006 81 399 NASCAR Heat 2000 81 400 Chessmaster 9000 2002 81 401 Empires: Dawn of the Modern World 2003 81 402 Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura 2001 81 403 Gothic 2001 81 404 PlanetSide 2003 81 405 Overlord 2007 81 406 Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine, The 2006 81 407 Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 2006 81 408 S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky 2008 81 409 Stronghold 2001 81 410 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 2005 81 411 RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 2004 81 412 Sims 2 University, The 2005 81 413 Combat Mission: Afrika Korps 2003 81 414 EverQuest: The Planes of Power 2002 81 415 Flanker 2.0 1999 81 416 Disney's Toontown Online 2003 81 417 Rails Across America 2001 81 418 Kohan II: Kings of War 2004 81 419 Witcher, The 2007 81 420 Star Trek Deep Space Nine: The Fallen 2000 81 421 Empire Earth 2001 81 422 Nancy Drew: Curse of the Blackmoor Manor 2004 81 423 Sam & Max Episode 1: Culture Shock 2006 81 424 Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy 2003 81 425 Eets 2006 81 426 Toca Race Driver 2: The Ultimate Racing Simulator 2004 81 427 Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties 2007 81 428 Codename: Panzers - Phase One 2004 81 429 Ghost Master 2003 81 430 Divine Divinity 2002 81 431 Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs 2006 80 432 Bowl Bound College Football 2006 80 433 Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned 1999 80 434 Conquest: Frontier Wars 2001 80 435 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2001 80 436 Syberia II 2004 80 437 Dungeon Siege II 2005 80 438 Sam & Max Episode 4: Abe Lincoln Must Die! 2007 80 439 Sims: Makin' Magic, The 2003 80 440 Deus Ex: Invisible War 2003 80 441 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent 2006 80 442 Medal of Honor Pacific Assault 2004 80 443 Madden NFL 07 2006 80 444 Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday 2006 80 445 Codename: Panzers - Phase Two 2005 80 446 Full Spectrum Warrior 2004 80 447 Freedom Fighters 2003 80 448 NBA Live 2003 2002 80 449 Elder Scrolls III: Tribunal 2002 80 450 SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate 2006 80 451 Ground Control II: Operation Exodus 2004 80 452 NBA Live 2004 2003 80 453 Titan Quest: Immortal Throne 2007 80 454 X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse 2005 80 455 SpellForce 2: Shadow Wars 2006 80 456 Fritz Chess 8 2004 80 457 Hoyle Majestic Chess 2003 80 458 2002 FIFA World Cup 2002 80 459 Asheron's Call: Dark Majesty 2001 80 460 Dragonshard 2005 80 461 Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008 80 462 Day of Defeat: Source 2005 80 463 Battlefield 2142 2006 80 464 Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2004 80 465 Shadowgrounds Survivor 2007 80 466 Interstate '76 1997 80 467 Time Commando 1996 80 468 Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 2007 80 469 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2006 80 470 Nancy Drew: Legend of the Crystal Skull 2007 80 471 Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix 2002 80 472 RollerCoaster Tycoon: Loopy Landscapes 2000 80 473 Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood 2002 80 474 RoboBlitz 2006 80 475 Blackwell Legacy, The 2006 80 476 TrackMania United 2007 80 477 Suffering, The 2004 80 478 Gish 2004 80 479 Corporate Machine, The 2001 80 480 Chessmaster 8000 2000 80 481 Waterloo: Napoleon's Last Battle 2001 80 482 MechCommander 2 2001 80 483 Circle of Blood 1996 80 484 Disciples II: Rise of the Elves 2003 80 485 Front Office Football 2004 2003 80 486 Nancy Drew: Secret of the Old Clock 2005 80 487 Myst V: End of Ages 2005 80 488 Microsoft Flight Simulator X 2006 80 489 Railroad Tycoon 3 2003 80 490 Hostile Waters: Antaeus Rising 2001 80 491 Empire Earth II 2005 79 492 Sam & Max Episode 203: Night of the Raving Dead 2008 79 493 Test Drive Unlimited 2007 79 494 F1 2001 2001 79 495 Star Wars: Empire at War 2006 79 496 Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific 2007 79 497 1701 A.D. 2006 79 498 Return to Mysterious Island 2004 79 499 Emperor: Battle for Dune 2001 79 500 Tale in the Desert, A 2003 79 501 Rowan's Battle of Britain 2001 79 502 Pac-Man: Adventures in Time 2000 79 503 Kohan: Ahriman's Gift 2001 79 504 Sword of the Stars: Born of Blood 2007 79 505 Depths of Peril 2007 79 506 Weird Worlds: Return to Infinite Space 2005 79 507 Ragnarok Online 2002 79 508 Sims: Superstar, The 2003 79 509 NBA Live 2005 2004 79 510 Assassin's Creed: Director's Cut Edition 2008 79 511 EverQuest: Dragons of Norrath 2005 79 512 Rome: Total War - Alexander 2006 79 513 Sam & Max Episode 2: Situation: Comedy 2006 79 514 Sam & Max Episode 6: Bright Side of the Moon 2007 79 515 LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 79 516 Jumpgate 2001 79 517 Day of Defeat 2003 79 518 Space Empires: IV 2000 79 519 Gothic II 2003 79 520 Deadly Dozen: Pacific Theater 2002 79 521 Pro Rugby Manager 2004 2004 79 522 Shattered Galaxy 2001 79 523 Port Royale 2003 79 524 Close Combat: Invasion Normandy 2000 79 525 Uru: Ages Beyond Myst 2003 79 526 Guild Wars: Eye of the North 2007 79 527 Sims: Unleashed, The 2002 79 528 Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII 2003 79 529 EverQuest: Lost Dungeons of Norrath 2003 79 530 Trainz 2002 79 531 Emergency Fire Response 2003 79 532 Combat Mission Anthology 2004 79 533 RollerCoaster Tycoon 3: Soaked! 2005 79 534 EverQuest II: Desert of Flames 2005 79 535 Global Operations 2002 79 536 SimCity 4: Rush Hour 2003 79 537 Uncommon Valor: Campaign for the South Pacific 2002 79 538 Star Wars: Battlefront II 2005 78 539 Penny Arcade Adventures Epsiode One: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 2008 78 540 Star Trek Elite Force II 2003 78 541 Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil 2005 78 542 World Championship Rugby 2004 78 543 NASCAR Thunder 2004 2003 78 544 FIFA Soccer 06 2005 78 545 Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project 2002 78 546 RoboForge 2001 78 547 Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide 2003 78 548 Movies: Stunts & Effects, The 2006 78 549 Tropico: Paradise Island 2002 78 550 MechWarrior 4: Black Knight 2001 78 551 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 78 552 FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage 2008 78 553 Star Trek: Starfleet Command: Orion Pirates 2001 78 554 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The 2003 78 555 Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates 2005 78 556 Praetorians 2003 78 557 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 2008 78 558 Condemned: Criminal Origins 2006 78 559 Midtown Madness 2 2000 78 560 MVP Baseball 2003 2003 78 561 Madden NFL 06 2005 78 562 Star Trek: Starfleet Command III 2002 78 563 Armed & Dangerous 2003 78 564 Hearts Of Iron: Platinum 2004 78 565 FIFA 07 2006 78 566 Star Wars: Republic Commando 2005 78 567 Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II - The Rise of the Witch-king, The 2006 78 568 Sims 2 Open for Business, The 2006 78 569 Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 2000 78 570 Earth 2150 2000 78 571 NBA Live 2001 2001 78 572 StarLancer 2000 78 573 Sims 2 Seasons, The 2007 78 574 Joint Operations: Escalation 2004 78 575 Viva Pinata 2007 78 576 Medal of Honor Airborne 2007 78 577 Red Faction 2001 78 578 Madden NFL 2001 2000 78 579 Stronghold: Crusader 2002 78 580 Summoner 2001 78 581 Season Ticket Baseball 2003 2002 78 582 Etherlords II: Second Age 2003 78 583 Need for Speed Carbon 2006 78 584 Tabula Rasa 2007 78 585 Austerlitz: Napoleon's Greatest Victory 2002 78 586 Dirt Track Racing: Sprint Cars 2000 78 587 Desperados: Wanted Dead or Alive 2001 78 588 rFactor 2005 78 589 Penumbra: Black Plague 2008 78 590 World Class Poker with T.J. Cloutier 2005 78 591 Baseball Mogul 2007 2006 78 592 Devil May Cry 4 2008 78 593 Titan Quest 2006 77 594 Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath 2008 77 595 Galactic Civilizations: Altarian Prophecy 2004 77 596 Nancy Drew: Last Train to Blue Moon Canyon 2005 77 597 Delta Force: Black Hawk Down 2003 77 598 Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom 2002 77 599 Ground Control: Dark Conspiracy 2000 77 600 Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 4 2002 77 601 Ultimate Ride Coaster Deluxe 2002 77 602 Arx Fatalis 2002 77 603 Myst Online: Uru Live 2007 77 604 Gary Grigsby's World at War 2005 77 605 Operation Flashpoint: Resistance 2002 77 606 Etherlords 2001 77 607 Lords of the Realm II 1996 77 608 FIFA 2002 2001 77 609 Strange Adventures in Infinite Space 2002 77 610 2006 FIFA World Cup 2006 77 611 Soldiers: Heroes of World War II 2004 77 612 Arena Wars 2004 77 613 Massive Assault 2003 77 614 FIFA Manager 06 2005 77 615 Nexus: The Jupiter Incident 2004 77 616 Universe at War: Earth Assault 2007 77 617 Sid Meier's Railroads! 2006 77 618 Moto GP 3 2005 77 619 Heroes of Might and Magic V 2006 77 620 FIFA Soccer 08 2007 77 621 Al Emmo and the Lost Dutchman's Mine 2006 77 622 FIFA Soccer 2005 2004 77 623 Tin Soldiers: Alexander the Great 2004 77 624 Salammbo: Battle for Carthage 2003 77 625 You Don't Know Jack: 5th Dementia 2000 77 626 Pirates of the Burning Sea 2008 77 627 NHL 06 2005 77 628 Knights of Honor 2005 77 629 Anachronox 2001 77 630 MoonBase Commander 2002 77 631 Enigma: Rising Tide 2003 77 632 Star Trek: Starfleet Command Volume II--Empires at War 2000 77 633 FIFA Soccer 2004 2003 77 634 Thing, The 2002 77 635 Sim City 3000 Unlimited 2000 77 636 NHL Eastside Hockey Manager 2004 77 637 Cross Racing Championship 2005 2005 77 638 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 2003 77 639 RalliSport Challenge 2002 77 640 Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance 2003 77 641 Perimeter 2004 77 642 Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed 2004 77 643 Stranglehold 2007 77 644 Law & Order: Justice is Served 2004 77 645 LEGO Star Wars 2005 77 646 Lost Cases Of Sherlock Holmes, The 2008 77 647 Sacred Plus 2004 77 648 Soul Reaver 2 2001 77 649 Dark Reign 2 2000 77 650 Vietcong: Purple Haze 2004 77 651 Peter Jackson's King Kong 2005 77 652 Battlefield 2: Special Forces 2005 77 653 Battlefield 2142: Northern Strike 2007 77 654 Cleopatra 2000 77 655 PureSim Baseball 2002 77 656 Screamer 4x4 2001 77 657 Everyday Shooter 2008 76 658 Trainz Railroad Simulator 2004 2003 76 659 Pool Paradise 2004 76 660 Restaurant Empire 2003 76 661 In Memoriam 2003 76 662 Patrician II 2001 76 663 Battlestations: Midway 2007 76 664 FlatOut 2 2006 76 665 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2007 76 666 Vega$ Tycoon 2004 76 667 Star Wars: Battlefront 2004 76 668 Sims 2: Pets, The 2006 76 669 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2007 76 670 Lost Crown: A Ghost-hunting Adventure, The 2008 76 671 Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 2006 76 672 Pacific Fighters 2004 76 673 Bone: The Great Cow Race 2006 76 674 Heroes of the Pacific 2005 76 675 Devil Inside, The 2000 76 676 Lock On: Modern Air Combat 2003 76 677 High Heat Major League Baseball 2002 2001 76 678 Gun 2005 76 679 UEFA Euro 2004 2004 76 680 Dominions 2: The Ascension Wars 2003 76 681 American Conquest 2003 76 682 Rush for Berlin 2006 76 683 Flashpoint Germany 2005 76 684 Project: Snowblind 2005 76 685 EverQuest II: Kingdom of Sky 2006 76 686 Ship, The 2006 76 687 City Life 2006 76 688 Tournament Dreams College Basketball 2003 76 689 Resident Evil 4 2007 76 690 Starscape 2003 76 691 Rune 2000 76 692 Myth III: The Wolf Age 2001 76 693 Total Extreme Warfare 2004 76 694 Baseball Mogul 2002 2001 76 695 Sims 2 Nightlife, The 2005 76 696 Sniper Elite 2005 76 697 Breakneck 2000 76 698 Space Colony 2003 75 699 Tropico 2: Pirate Cove 2003 75 700 Patrician III 2003 75 701 Command & Conquer Renegade 2002 75 702 Star Wars: Empire at War - Forces of Corruption 2006 75 703 Port Royale 2 2004 75 704 Total Pro Football 2004 2004 75 705 Dreamfall: The Longest Journey 2006 75 706 Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory 2005 75 707 Blitzkrieg 2 2005 75 708 Battlefield 2: Armored Fury 2006 75 709 MTX: Mototrax 2004 75 710 F.E.A.R. Extraction Point 2006 75 711 Evil Genius 2004 75 712 Down in Flames 2005 75 713 Unreal II: The Awakening 2003 75 714 Sims: Vacation, The 2002 75 715 Savage: The Battle for Newerth 2003 75 716 Hegemonia: Legions Of Iron 2002 75 717 City Life: World Edition 2007 75 718 Another World: 15th Anniversary Edition 2007 75 719 Painkiller Expansion Pack: Battle out of Hell 2004 75 720 Black & White 2 2005 75 721 Taito Legends 2005 75 722 Moon Project, The 2001 75 723 Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds 2001 75 724 Manhunt 2004 75 725 Savage 2: A Tortured Soul 2008 75 726 SiN Episodes: Emergence 2006 75 727 PeaceMaker 2007 75 728 Shadowbane 2003 75 729 Immortal Cities: Children of the Nile 2004 75 730 Sims 2: Celebration Stuff, The 2007 75 731 Crazy Machines 2 2008 75 732 Dark Age of Camelot: Trials of Atlantis 2003 75 733 Spider-Man: The Movie 2002 75 734 Typing of the Dead 2001 75 735 SimCoaster 2001 75 736 Uplink 2002 75 737 Blitzkrieg: Burning Horizon 2004 75 738 Beyond Atlantis II 2001 75 739 Still Life 2005 75 740 RHEM 2 2005 75 741 Hidden & Dangerous 2 2003 75 742 Airfix Dogfighter 2001 75 743 NHL 2003 2002 75 744 Madden NFL 08 2007 75 745 Just Cause 2006 75 746 Ultimate Spider-Man 2005 75 747 Blade of Darkness 2001 75 748 Missing: Since January 2004 75 749 Magic: The Gathering Online 2002 75 750 X-Plane Version 7 2003 75 751 Worms World Party 2001 75
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Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: EasyCure on September 02, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
422 Nancy Drew: Curse of the Blackmoor Manor 2004 81
Thread pwned by me
1. really?? 2 really!
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I'm hoping this thread will:
1) Get people who haven't taken a good look at what the Xbox 360 (and other non-Nintendo systems) have to offer, to do do.
lol sorry i had to point it out.
<insert fanboy "PS360 line-up is "do do" joke here>
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 02, 2008, 11:29:32 PM
One...year...head...start...
/facepalm
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: IceCold on September 03, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
Argumentum ad verecundiam, wandering. It's a logical fallacy. If I were you, I'd spend less time hiding behind other people's opinions, especially if they are of the laughable quality of online videogame reviewers.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 12:59:43 AM
Isn't it odd that most of these lists are DOMINATED by so called "hardcore" games? Must be a coincidence! Seriously there are games out there for Wii that are polished but are casual gamer oriented. I do not think the mainstream press has a grasp yet on how to rate those games. Seriously what would be a perfect 10 trivia game? Or a perfect 10 Crossword game?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 01:30:55 AM
Wandering: don't bother man, nobody's listening.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 01:33:32 AM
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 01:42:47 AM
Crosswords, what is a perfect 10 crossword game? Yeah exactly, now you see why it is ridiculous to use metacritic. The Wii has a VAST amount of genres on it, with everything from more traditional games to more casual titles like Trivia games and everything in between. How exactly should these different genres be rated? Is a well polished Crossword game bad? How do you rate it?
So let the battle begin, which is a better game:
Crossword vs CoD4. Which game is going to appeal to all gamers? Confused? Well you should be because NEITHER are since they are focused on different audiences and while both may be polished they are not universal in their appeal, so how should they be rated? Of course since we are dealing with a biased mainstream video game press that prefers traditional games, the scores for these more casual games, regardless of their polish or "quality" are going to be lower.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 01:43:48 AM
I figure someone will mention that reviewers aren't part of Nintendo's target demo so it makes sense that the reviews aren't as favourable. But that same person will then deny that Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore gamers - the gamers who's tastes correspond with the reviewers that are not part of Nintendo's target demographic.
Nobody says Nintendo hasn't abandoned the hardcore, what they're saying is that Nintendo hasn't abandoned the core. The hardcore are a bunch of arrogant whiners on the internet, the core are the traditionally most profitable segment of the market. When Nintendo says they're making core games that means they're making games like those that sold big in the past. Madden is core but the hardcore whines how it is for casual gamers (when casual gamers are the people who had a PS2 for Madden, what are the new people who got a Wii for Wii Sports?). Pandering to the hardcore may net you prestige but it will not net you money, see the XBox for an example: It sold about as much as the Gamecube but lost wads of cash while the GC was very profitable yet on the internet the hardcore-focussed XBox is seen as a success while the core-focussed Gamecube is seen as a failure.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2008, 04:40:13 AM
Nobody says Nintendo hasn't abandoned the hardcore, what they're saying is that Nintendo hasn't abandoned the core. The hardcore are a bunch of arrogant whiners on the internet, the core are the traditionally most profitable segment of the market. When Nintendo says they're making core games that means they're making games like those that sold big in the past. Madden is core but the hardcore whines how it is for casual gamers (when casual gamers are the people who had a PS2 for Madden, what are the new people who got a Wii for Wii Sports?). Pandering to the hardcore may net you prestige but it will not net you money, see the XBox for an example: It sold about as much as the Gamecube but lost wads of cash while the GC was very profitable yet on the internet the hardcore-focussed XBox is seen as a success while the core-focussed Gamecube is seen as a failure.
God I hate this generation. :(
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: KDR_11k on September 03, 2008, 04:59:29 AM
Blame the internets, the "core" term comes from economics while the "hardcore" and "casual" terms come from internet bragging.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 03, 2008, 06:55:38 AM
I just want to outright lock this thread. Like pap mentioned earlier, I'm so fucking sick of this discussion. It literally infests every thread on the board and makes it impossible to peruse the boards and have friendly discussion about anything.
Whether or not you are happy about the Wii library, keep it to yourself. When a discussion on a game comes up, discuss the game, not the overarching importance/worthlessness in the overall Wii library or whether or not it is a core/hardcore/casual/whateverthefuckelse game. Seriously, its just annoying at this point.
I put up my fanboyism blog in an attempt to discuss this exact topic. Play and experience everything, then you won't be complaining about who has what library of games and which system is the best. They are all great in their own way and they all have games everyone can enjoy. If you don't see any need to play anything further than what you have already, whether it be a Wii, 360, or PS3, GREAT. You have made an excellent purchase and should be happy to get such value from it.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2008, 01:20:37 PM
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I didn't ask for self-depreciating tripe about why what's in your links is god-awful, I just want your agreement that your tastes are awful because you've given it valuable disk space over a three minute Youtube of a chicken doing nothing.
Well my tastes aren't awful so I won't agree to it. My tastes in movies, television, music, literature and videogames is typically pretty critically acclaimed.
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And Professional Wrestling, no matter how it changed over how many years, has and always will be the pathetic entertainment associated with classless hicks, and the majority of reviewers of any medium think so. In order for you to lay claim that, because the majority of reviewers hate Wii games, then they are crappy, then you MUST agree that Professional Wrestling has never been enjoyed by anybody but inbred hillbillies and Northerners that strangely want to be them.
Some people say videogames are just for kids and nerds. The small amount of people that review wrestling don't feel the wrestling is crappy. To me the comparison would only make sense if ALL videogames were crapped on by the mainstream media. Someone who hates all videogames would not be a worthwhile reviewer of videogames just like someone who hates wrestling isn't a good reviewer of that (ie: if you liked wrestling they couldn't recommend what the best stuff would be). But these videogame reviewers do like games and thus their opinion on what videogames are worth playing and what aren't is more valid. Some douchebag who blindly hates all videogames would have a worthless opinion as would some fanboy who likes everything.
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Isn't it odd that most of these lists are DOMINATED by so called "hardcore" games? Must be a coincidence! Seriously there are games out there for Wii that are polished but are casual gamer oriented. I do not think the mainstream press has a grasp yet on how to rate those games. Seriously what would be a perfect 10 trivia game? Or a perfect 10 Crossword game?
You're going to write reviews for your readers. If you're a videogame website casuals aren't going to be reading your site. Giving a casual game that your readers won't like a 10 because it's the best damn crossword game in the world isn't going to be useful. If you go a website about comics do you think they spend all their time focusing on Archie comics? Of course they don't.
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Nobody says Nintendo hasn't abandoned the hardcore, what they're saying is that Nintendo hasn't abandoned the core.
Don't nitpick about terms. "Hardcore", "core", "old school", "gamer games", etc. It all means the old group prior to Nintendo's blue market strategy that specifically attracted a different new group.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2008, 01:35:28 PM
Some people say videogames are just for kids and nerds. The small amount of people that review wrestling don't feel the wrestling is crappy. To me the comparison would only make sense if ALL videogames were crapped on by the mainstream media. Someone who hates all videogames would not be a worthwhile reviewer of videogames just like someone who hates wrestling isn't a good reviewer of that (ie: if you liked wrestling they couldn't recommend what the best stuff would be). But these videogame reviewers do like games and thus their opinion on what videogames are worth playing and what aren't is more valid.
Hahaha, no...I can't believe you are trying to get away with considering videogames as a single independent class of entertainment...Surely you have heard of genres considering you try your best to classify games as either "hardcore" or "casual"...
Let's try this...Wrestling is a "sport," if you wish to call it that...Thus, it is a single genre in that whole category...People who don't like wrestling (the majority) tend to like other sports (whether it be baseball, football, karate, etc.), and thus Deg's analogy still fits perfectly...
Some douchebag who blindly hates all videogames would have a worthless opinion as would some fanboy who likes everything.
*snicker*
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Deguello on September 03, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
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Well my tastes aren't awful so I won't agree to it. My tastes in movies, television, music, literature and videogames is typically pretty critically acclaimed.
I think your tastes are awful because you have, at one point, actually watched professional wrestling on purpose and with full intent of viewing the contents.
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Some people say videogames are just for kids and nerds. The small amount of people that review wrestling don't feel the wrestling is crappy. To me the comparison would only make sense if ALL videogames were crapped on by the mainstream media. Someone who hates all videogames would not be a worthwhile reviewer of videogames just like someone who hates wrestling isn't a good reviewer of that (ie: if you liked wrestling they couldn't recommend what the best stuff would be). But these videogame reviewers do like games and thus their opinion on what videogames are worth playing and what aren't is more valid. Some douchebag who blindly hates all videogames would have a worthless opinion as would some fanboy who likes everything.
Professional Wrestling does not exist by itself on it's own plane of existence. Ask a martial artist what he thinks of Professional Wrestling. He'll probably say it's pathetic, boring, asinine, stupid, and the people who enjoy it or who have ever enjoyed it at any one time are toothless hillbillies who are too lazy to change the channel to Hee Haw because it would mean moving the hog off their lap. Ask a TV Critic and he'll sneer and wonder why the hell it gets any airtime when they could have infomercials on that 3 hour block and raise the IQ of the viewership from single to double digits. These are the people that review Pro Wrestling and they hate the hell out of it. They are the "critics" and you, having enjoyed it at one time, would probably say they are wrong. Well guess what, you have bad tastes. The fact that you had to redefine who reviews it GIVES CREDENCE to those who are complaining that Wii games are getting down-rated because of gamer elitist snobbery, ideological differences, or just plain old fashioned Nintendo hate.
You can still come out of this OK if you just say people who disagree with critics don't automatically have "bad taste," nor do any significant percentage. Otherwise, you are cast in there with them.
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You're going to write reviews for your readers. If you're a videogame website casuals aren't going to be reading your site.
I remember you busting a nut over Game Informer reviewing Paper Mario 2 by "how they thought their readers" would see it. So now you are in favor of this behavior?
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Don't nitpick about terms. "Hardcore", "core", "old school", "gamer games", etc. It all means the old group prior to Nintendo's blue market strategy that specifically attracted a different new group.
You know "The Blue Ocean Strategy" is a book that I know you haven't read, and yet you pretend to know what it's about. *Sigh* if only intellectual dishonesty were a bannable offense.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 03, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
The 360 has been out for a year longer than the Wii or PS3 has been, so why wouldn't it have more quality games at this point? A more valid comparison would be to compare the Wii library with that of the PS3, since these two consoles came out at the same time, so this would be a fairer comparison.
So does the PS3 library trounce the Wii's? Or is it actually vice versa?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 03, 2008, 02:01:44 PM
Well my tastes aren't awful so I won't agree to it. My tastes in movies, television, music, literature and videogames is typically pretty critically acclaimed.
You see that as a virtue? Personally, I think people should just like whatever they like, and to hell with the critics. Sure, when I'm looking to buy a new game or book or something I will usually take reviews by other people into consideration, but I won't bind myself to those reviews. What one person may hate, another might love. Everyone's tastes differ, naturally.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 03, 2008, 02:06:14 PM
Wii vs PS3 library? In MY OPINION the Wii's library easily, the ratio of Wii to PS3 games I own is 4:1. But I still stand that reviews don't mean jack, sure they are good if you want to know what a person thinks about it or a general guideline if the game could be good or bad based on someone's OPINION.
The problem with this thread is just everyone is comparing scores, in a in depth review the score alone is worthless until you read what warranted the score, what's good and what's bad about the game. The problem I have with how people take review scores is they act like it is the end all decision whether to buy something or not, it isn't because it's not like NWR or IGN or any other site are forcing you to buy this game or not to buy this game against your will, you the consumer make that decision with your own money.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2008, 03:09:05 PM
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You see that as a virtue? Personally, I think people should just like whatever they like, and to hell with the critics.
You should like what you like. I like whatever I like. At the same time I've never been a "well critics don't know anything" kind of person. Sometimes they crap on a film or a videogame I love. That's going to happen sometimes to everyone. But if you always disagree with critics then maybe, just maybe, you have crappy tastes. I'm using people I work worth as an example. Those that say "critics are always wrong" like the worst movies, worst music, worst TV. Everyone is allowed some guilty pleasures and stuff like that. But in my personal experience the people that differ from the critics enough to develop an attitude that critics are rarely right are the same people that get confused by movies with "too much talking".
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You can still come out of this OK if you just say people who disagree with critics don't automatically have "bad taste," nor do any significant percentage. Otherwise, you are cast in there with them.
It's the people who disagree with critics 99% of the time who have the attitude that critics know nothing that have bad taste. It's like everything I write you interpret in black and white robot terms. "But Ian you said this three years ago..." What the hell?
And personally I think wrestling is it's own entity. What else exists where people pretend to fight each other in front of a live arena audience and stay in character off-screen to the point where they appear on talk shows and stuff as their character? Nothing. It isn't a sport. It isn't even exactly a TV show since it's really TV coverage of a live event. It originally was a carnie style con. A fixed sport that the audience is now well aware is fixed and yet watches it anyway for the entertainment of it. It's weird and unique as hell. And isn't "you like wrestling so you must be an idiot" a fallacy? You're only a idiot if you think it's real.
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I remember you busting a nut over Game Informer reviewing Paper Mario 2 by "how they thought their readers" would see it. So now you are in favor of this behavior?
That still pisses me off. I feel they weren't giving their true opinion and they were allowing something like image to affect their score. They were making no effort to be unbiased. But in the case of most reviewers where a hardcore gamer is reviewing a game I'm pretty sure the 6 or so he gives to a non-game is his real opinion. He's a hardcore gamer and doesn't like the simplistic design of most non-games. Criticism of gameplay is obviously valid. His readership is like him so they are not misled by this review. I don't like the idea of "guessing" a review and making the assumption that the audience will have a different opinion than you do. I don't like the "maybe you'll like this if..." approach. Give your honest opinion and if you feel there is some personal bias that will make your opinion worthless to most of the readers (like Fran getting a bug up his butt about decals or something in Mario Kart) get someone else to review it. But don't guess. Game Informer seemed like they gave a poor score to Paper Mario by guessing what the audience would think and not what they themselves actually thought. In reality Game Informer was actually misinforming their audience as their readers probably WOULD have liked the game if they were willing to look past the presentation. People need to find reviewers that have similar tastes to them. So give your honest opinion and if non-games get crapped on it's fine if those reviewers are giving their honest opinion and it's beneficial to the readers that feel that have similar tastes.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 03, 2008, 03:49:22 PM
You should like what you like. I like whatever I like. At the same time I've never been a "well critics don't know anything" kind of person. Sometimes they crap on a film or a videogame I love. That's going to happen sometimes to everyone. But if you always disagree with critics then maybe, just maybe, you have crappy tastes. I'm using people I work worth as an example. Those that say "critics are always wrong" like the worst movies, worst music, worst TV. Everyone is allowed some guilty pleasures and stuff like that. But in my personal experience the people that differ from the critics enough to develop an attitude that critics are rarely right are the same people that get confused by movies with "too much talking".
Video game quality is definitely subjective, but the point of video games is to have fun. If someone is VERY entertained by something like Carnival Games and has a lot of fun out of it, then it's done its job well, regardless of what the reviewers say about it. Actually, the people who enjoy CG are probably the same sort of people who would NOT enjoy Zelda or Metroid, even though those are considered AAA titles by the critics.
And that's fine with me. I'm more a Zelda and potatoes kind of gamer and don't care for those sort of things, but everyone has different tastes. When it comes to subjective matters, no one is more right than anyone else. There is no such thing as "crappy tastes". If you think someone's tastes are crap, that's only your opinion.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 03, 2008, 03:50:12 PM
Sorry, double post.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Morari on September 03, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
Don't nitpick about terms. "Hardcore", "core", "old school", "gamer games", etc. It all means the old group prior to Nintendo's blue market strategy that specifically attracted a different new group.
So the group who loves Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Madden, PES and all the other sequels. Okay.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Plugabugz on September 04, 2008, 03:51:45 AM
I told my older brother to see Wall E and that its the best film i've seen in 2008 (i've seen a new film every week for nearly 3 months). He says he's not going to because critics said it's ****. Given how there's been near-universal praise for the film i don't know what he's talking about there.
It's all subjective.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2008, 03:54:15 AM
I'm sorry but your older brother is a moron. I mean, that's two levels of fail right there in one explanation.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Plugabugz on September 04, 2008, 04:58:25 AM
Oh i agree, i really agree.
Then he argued how he thinks ZOHAN is a better film.
The point is, unless you know the person (who is telling you an opinion) is very close with your own then take it with a bucket of salt.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2008, 05:03:06 AM
This whole Wii games lineup argument is disturbingly like a political discussion. Both sides feel very strongly about it, it's entirely based in opinion so there can be no definitive answer, and it's something where intelligent people can come to different conclusions. It's like Nintendo was in a laboratory and they combined the worst aspects of political discussion with video game discussion and created a virus they used to engage in biological warfare with gaming forums.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 04, 2008, 07:50:36 AM
Universally Acclaimed NWR Forum Games:
- Whinging about Nintendo
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 04, 2008, 08:50:20 AM
This whole Wii games lineup argument is disturbingly like a political discussion. Both sides feel very strongly about it, it's entirely based in opinion so there can be no definitive answer, and it's something where intelligent people can come to different conclusions. It's like Nintendo was in a laboratory and they combined the worst aspects of political discussion with video game discussion and created a virus they used to engage in biological warfare with gaming forums.
Same thing can be said about the 360 and PS3 line up. The whole Too Human debacle and people thinking that Little Big Planet will flop. Seriously in every game console there are games that will and won't appeal to you just buy what games seem interesting to you and go enjoy them.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 13, 2008, 06:38:58 PM
I think video games are a lot like Pop Music now. It breaks down into three tiers.
1) You have your garbage pop artists, where they sell a crap-ton, are totally formulaic, and music snobs can't wrap their head around how they sell so much. Since I like rap, I'll say these are guys like Soulja Boy. No imagination and pretty much awful. On the Wii this is stuff like Carnival Games, and probably a bunch of other stuff that I will never, ever waste my time researching for the sake of presenting as evidence in a forum post.
2) Then you have your artists that straddle the line between critical acclaim and street cred. Guys that come to mind here are Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Ludacris. Both pop people and music snobs have to acknowledge their talent. On Wii this is stuff like Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, and Super Mario Galaxy. This is pretty much "universal respect" territory.
3) Then you have underground artists that music snobs love, but their appeal is lost on most people. A lot of people won't "get" these groups, but those that love them love them with a passion. I'm not a backpacker so I can't think of many rap examples here, but groups like Company Flow/El-P and Aesop Rock come to mind. On Wii this is stuff like No More Heroes, MADWORLD, Fragile. The obscure stuff that breeds snobbery.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 13, 2008, 06:50:01 PM
You just described every form of popular entertainment.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 14, 2008, 10:15:09 AM
Yeah, but I had fun doing it, which is the important thing.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 14, 2008, 10:50:45 AM
Yeah, but I had fun doing it, which is the important thing.
Just like you should do with games instead of having a giant dick waving contest of which platform has games with better review score.
You just won this thread and all the other ones that are exactly the same.
quoted for mother fucking truth.
i used to be a music snob when i was a teen and luckily, thankfully, i grew out of that **** pretty fast and simply learned to enjoy what i like and not worry/care/hate on anything else that was popular at the time. I've never been that way with games so i don't care for the bitchfest that threads like these have turned NWR into.
i dont mind our generic bitchfest about games being delayed or posters who suck, etc.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2008, 03:11:50 PM
3) Then you have underground artists that music snobs love, but their appeal is lost on most people. A lot of people won't "get" these groups, but those that love them love them with a passion. I'm not a backpacker so I can't think of many rap examples here
Try Saul Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggy_tardust).
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 15, 2008, 05:48:53 PM
Maybe Sage Francis, Cannibal Ox, and Aesop Rock.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Stogi on September 15, 2008, 05:53:00 PM
Atmosphere as well...
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 15, 2008, 10:26:21 PM
Mighty Joseph. Word.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 15, 2008, 10:51:10 PM
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You have your garbage pop artists, where they sell a crap-ton, are totally formulaic, and music snobs can't wrap their head around how they sell so much.
I could say something regarding the relation of this comment to many of the popular PS3/360 games but it would be too easy.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 16, 2008, 01:34:19 AM
And too trolly as well.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: KDR_11k on September 16, 2008, 02:10:47 AM
Yeah, the only system we're allowed to troll here is the Wii because it's the one that has the least fans here AM I RITE?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 16, 2008, 02:49:44 AM
Hey, I already declared this thread over, so I don't know what you all are doing in here.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: D_Average on July 22, 2009, 01:27:29 AM
Never trust the elite/leftist/liberal gaming media.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: broodwars on July 22, 2009, 01:56:06 AM
Of all the threads for a bot to infect with the Spam-Virus and bring back from the dead, why this one? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Stratos on July 22, 2009, 05:20:33 AM
And here I thought someone was making a new, breakthrough argument that would make for an interesting read. Stupid bots are everywhere. The sad thing is that they are working apparently because we are seeing more and more of them.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 22, 2009, 07:02:34 AM
That bot almost made a point relevant to the conversation. Does that mean they are learning? Evolving? Thinking?
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: broodwars on July 22, 2009, 12:24:49 PM
So if somebody is absorbed in alone 15 of those 47 Wii amateur and alone 15 of those 178 Xbox 360 games, can you absolutely accede one arrangement bigger again the other?
note: this is after running the statement through a complex filter and a panel of professional translationist in my head.
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If one were to take the Top 15 of the 47 Wii games and the the Top 15 of the 178 360 games, could you with absolute certainty say that the Wii sux because it has less high rated games than the 360?
And that is how the bot "almost" made a point relevant to the conversation.
p.s. When I clicked on the "NEW" button, it started me from the beginning of the thread since I have never clicked on it before. The whole thread was fresh in my mind since I just skimmed through most of it.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Stogi on July 22, 2009, 06:01:03 PM
Hahahaha, that's actually not a bad point.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Mop it up on July 22, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
Silly spambots.
If you're tired of seeing spambots then just report it and move on. If the post is deleted with no other new posts being made after it, the thread will return to the depths of the forum from whence it came.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: Stratos on July 22, 2009, 09:20:33 PM
If you're tired of seeing spambots then just report it and move on. If the post is deleted with no other new posts being made after it, the thread will return to the depths of the forum from whence it came.
But we wouldn't have nearly as much fun if we couldn't mock them. Plus this one disturbingly had a point. I only knew it was a bot because of the ad at the bottom of the post. I originally thought it was a new member with really bad spelling, grammar and language skills.
Title: Re: So it turns out the Wii doesn't have that many good games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 22, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
