Post by: Epitaph on April 04, 2003, 05:52:25 PM
Nintendo has lost its user basse, it no longer has as many followers as before yet extreamly sucessfull. Now what I just said is gonna shock many, well hear me out for a sec.
Now lets say you have all these people with xbox and ps2, their all saying nintendo sucks, why would I want a nintendo system, that a kids game. Yes very comon things we hear right. Ok now lets say nintendo pulls out for one run, sends its games out on other consols, then blows out in another generation with a brand new system and all those games they made people fall in love with are only on that consol. They would widden fan basse, get people to know who they are once again, and possibly dominate. The downfall to this strategy for one round their profits would take a big hit. Its risky buisness but a tactifull one. What do you guys think.
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Post by: PIAC on April 04, 2003, 06:32:48 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2003, 06:53:54 PM
Post by: PIAC on April 04, 2003, 06:57:04 PM
wonder what the PAL pre orders will look like?!
Post by: ThePerm on April 04, 2003, 07:25:16 PM
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Post by: Michael_82 on April 04, 2003, 08:13:09 PM
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would annoy alot of nintendo customers and possibly stop them console gameing at all, not a great idea, i can understand what your saying, and in theory it works, (in theory comunism works, in theory)
i love that episode of Simpsons. assuming you knew that was in an episode.
Post by: PIAC on April 04, 2003, 08:15:16 PM
so yeah, i knew 
Post by: Nintega on April 04, 2003, 08:18:28 PM
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Now lets say you have all these people with xbox and ps2, their all saying nintendo sucks, why would I want a nintendo system, that a kids game.
If they thought that way while Nintendo is still in the hardware business, what makes you think they'll change if they got out? I doubt the games Nintendo makes will change if they went strictly software.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 04, 2003, 08:34:13 PM
Oh dear Nintendo, protection! Didn't anybody tell them whilst growing up? Where was the Atari 2600? Or Vic 20? They were role models for little old NES... For shame...
*Shakes head*
Post by: razorpit on April 04, 2003, 08:49:19 PM
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No realy think about it, no reason you can think of???
Nintendo has lost its user basse, it no longer has as many followers as before yet extreamly sucessfull. What do you guys think.
I think this is a stupid topic. Nintendo is VERY LIVE and well.
Post by: SilverBack1138 on April 04, 2003, 09:17:24 PM
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Originally posted by: yellowfellow[/i true nintendo is not #1 in the view of the mainstream public...
Good Gravy!!! Who cares about the rotten mainstream public!?!?! These are the same people who think that Britney Spears and N'Sync are talented musicians. These are the people who think that Steve Seagal and Van Damme are talented actors and that Titanic is a great movie. These are the people who believe everything their told without checking it out first. Crap, why do you think that DOA:XBV did so well, because these peopel don't know jack about a good game.
Post by: The Omen on April 04, 2003, 09:57:44 PM
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Good Gravy!!! Who cares about the rotten mainstream public!?!?! These are the same people who think that Britney Spears and N'Sync are talented musicians. These are the people who think that Steve Seagal and Van Damme are talented actors and that Titanic is a great movie. These are the people who believe everything their told without checking it out first. Crap, why do you think that DOA:XBV did so well, because these peopel don't know jack about a good game.
I couldn't agree more, on every level. I don't care about the 'popular' perception of the GC. Let those people that do get brainwashed by what their 'cool mags' and 'cool friends' tell them.
DOA:XVB, ahh..the thought of that pathetic excuse for a game makes me cackle...
Post by: Uglydot on April 05, 2003, 02:19:29 AM
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Post by: egman on April 05, 2003, 03:19:44 AM
Further more, being 3rd party does not guarentee sales. Sega has struggled in the past couple of years, though I'm hearing rumours about them showing a turn around this year (largely because of painful organizational decisions). Personally, I felt that Sega has release some great games in the last couple of years like Panzer Dragoon Orta. But if you look at the sales for that title or other Smilbit titles, their games are not registring with the X-box crowd. Nor has their been any big blockbusters on the PS2. They've faired better on the Cube, but that doesn't change the fact that the Sega fans has probably been spread to thinly between the other consoles make some really earth shartering sells, which they need more than anything else right now. Nintendo going 3rd party a generation would have to face the obstacle of making people on other consoles even care them, without the cushion of a userbase concentrated on a paticular system. Plus, I'm sure more than a few Nintendo fans would probably give it up altogether even if Nintendo just bowed out for a generation. I almost did with the Dreamcast to tell you the truth.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 05, 2003, 06:23:40 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 05, 2003, 06:29:00 AM
If you presented that to a buisiness professor he would wear out his red pen.
Post by: Byron on April 05, 2003, 12:58:28 PM
Fact is ELSA released a report with Gamecube owning 2% more market share than XBox worldwide at the end of 2002 and with the huge sales in Europe that made GC sales beat PS2 sales for 1 month so far and the 20% increase in America because of Wind Waker, the gap has probably become bigger than just 2%.
I think Epitaph should look at his XBox which is in last place than the GC.
Post by: nolimit19 on April 05, 2003, 01:24:24 PM
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Post by: nonjagged on April 06, 2003, 07:57:13 AM
Nintendo are in the business for 2 reasons.
One is to entertain and the other is to sustain profits while dedicated in entertaining.
Console competitors have come and gone and new console competitors will arrive also.
For starters Nintendo to port/develope its franchises on other platforms is ludicrous just so mainstreamers or casual gamers who have never experienced Nintendo's class may give them a try, and on top of that the other platforms cant handle Nintendo's phylosophies in gaming.
Sure ps2 can handle innordinate FMVs that push along games while the Xbox is a mid-range PC pretending to be a console or cashing-in in the console industry but the Gamecube was specifically built for the most efficient deliver of software.
Example, Metroid Prime would have longer loadtimes (simular to RE running on the PSX) if it was developed for PS2. It defies the purpose of Nintendo's beliefs in quick relatime entertainment.
Xbox creators are fascinated with graphics and in the process they lose framerates. Even with the aid of HDD cache on Xbox, Metroid Prime would be chugger.
Rather than be slightest bit concerned about Nintendo's lack of userbase or whatever it is that you need to express Nintendo should expand, just enjoy their excellence to deliver a gaming platform that is built around the basis of no-load screen bars and that focus on giving the player something to take control over rather than ride-out FMVs.
And enjoy the facts that they (Nintendo) deliver excellent software that is coded around the balanced hardware.
Why Nintendo should then code software (take steps backwards and go in line with their technologically disadvanced competitors) by launching software on competing platforms just so other users may experience their brilliance is utterly silly when they are entertaining and making profits already and the other platforms dont share the same phylosophies in entertainment.
Nintendo is way too traditional and passionate for that.
2003 = The Year of the Fund Q and Triforce (albeit some delays)
Post by: Grimm on April 06, 2003, 08:09:33 AM
Post by: theaveng on April 06, 2003, 10:12:36 AM
The Original Nintendo had all kinds of violent games, and look how popular it became. So Nintendo should return to its roots and allow violent games again.
Troy
P.S. So Epitaph is an Xbox troll? Figures. Asshole.
Post by: PIAC on April 06, 2003, 10:22:22 AM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on April 06, 2003, 12:19:22 PM
Nintendo has been doing pretty good with "mature" 3rd party games. Metroid Prime was awesome, ED and all the RE series are supposedly good. Games like Hitman and Legacy of Kain are coming or are already out. Nintendo doesn't make violent games, but they welcome any 3rd party games that are willing to come to Gamecube. Vice City and Halo are exclusively PS2 and Xbox, respectively.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 06, 2003, 12:21:42 PM
Except for the PC.
I don't mean to sound like a fanboy, though- I'm sure the XBox version of Halo will not only sell a LOT better than the PC version, but will BE a lot better as well. GTA on the PC is quite popular, though (still, that's not saying much considering it's a PC game).
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 06, 2003, 12:29:08 PM
There are entirely too many commas in that statement. . .
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 06, 2003, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: Cap on April 06, 2003, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: The Doc on April 07, 2003, 10:46:59 AM
~The Doc~
* Xbox and Playstation 2 fans would not want to play Nintendo games on their consoles, which is why they do not have a Nintendo GameCube for in the first place. I feel that idea totally contradicts itself.
Post by: Bloodworth on April 07, 2003, 11:01:12 AM
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P.S. So Epitaph is an Xbox troll? Figures. Asshole.
Hope you like those as your last words.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2003, 12:07:54 PM
The main problem with that idea is the part about Nintendo sending their games to other consoles which suggests them taking a Sega approach where different franchises are put on different consoles. Sega has tired putting their games here, there, and everywhere and so far it hasn't really been very successful for them. If anything it's pissed off their fanbase even more as Sega fans now have to buy THREE consoles instead of one. If Nintendo did this it would likely result in a similar situation. Imagine if Mario and Zelda were on different consoles. I think every Nintendo fan would be pissed. Since a big part of this plan revolves around Nintendo increasing their fanbase for a future console pissing off their current fans is an unnecessary risk.
One important factor that is being largely forgotten is the GBA. Nintendo realisitically isn't going to support other consoles while supporting the GBA at the same time. If they quit the console business they would probably just stick with the portable market. Nintendo probably wouldn't go third party unless they quit supporting the GBA and I really doubt that's going to happen soon.
A lot of you are saying that Nintendo's first party games wouldn't sell much better on the PS2 or Xbox. You do realize that by saying that then you are saying that Nintendo's franchises don't sell well anymore? It's widely considered that Nintendo's franchises aren't selling as well on Gamecube as they probably should. Now most fans defend this by saying that the Cube's smaller userbase is limiting the potential sales of those games. Fair enough. Therefore one would assume that on a console with a larger userbase (like the PS2) those games would sell better. However some of those same people are saying that on the PS2 Nintendo games wouldn't sell much better. Then that means those games wouldn't sell particularly well PERIOD regardless of platform. I seriously doubt that's the case and I think most of the "Nintendo won't sell well on the PS2" crowd seriously don't believe that either.
Personally I think the best situation would be if there was a console standard and every game was made for the same platform. However I don't want one company to have a complete monopoly of licensing or hardware so a solution like "make every game on the PS2" is not valid.
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Post by: Trippy Pancakes on April 08, 2003, 04:19:13 AM
I think it would upset me too. I have a hard time putting it into words. For one, I like the Nintendo hardware. I guess I'm just loyal to Nintendo right now. The hardware is smaller and more appealing in my opinion. I always hate those elitist snobs who always gravitate to some hardware niche, acting like everyone else is clueless for not using the same hardware - all the while kind of hoping not too many people start using that hardware because then the snob wouldn't be unique/in the know. Kind of like Apple Macintosh users are often perceived.
I think maybe I'm a snob like that. On the one hand, I would like Nintendo to be as successful as possible (and they are financially successful, thank God, just not ubiquitous). On the other hand, if Nintendo consoles got as popular as Sony is right now would I still feel the same about Nintendo ? I think that maybe I wouldn't as much. I'd still enjoy the quality games, but there is a part of me that likes being a little different than the other part of the market that seems to gladly consume sub-par games in huge quantities.
By the way, I used to feel similar back in the stone ages when I purchased my Amiga computer and maybe a tad bit when I purchased my 3DO.
Am I a bastard for being like this or does anyone else feel the same ?
Post by: Perfect Cell on April 08, 2003, 05:34:32 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2003, 07:28:55 AM
Well if the only reason you support Nintendo is because they're the underdog that's pretty weird. If you always go for the less popular console you're going to miss out on a lot of great games. The Gamecube is kind of an exception but most of the time the least popular console is unpopular for a good reason. The CD-i and Jaguar weren't unpopular because the competition had better marketing, they were unpopular because they sucked so sticking with the unpopular consoles isn't the smartest choice all of the time.
Personally I've always liked Nintendo and as long as the quality is up I'll support their consoles regardless of popularity or sales. My beef with them ever going third party isn't really that they won't make hardware anymore but rather that their games might be spread across multiple consoles and I don't like the idea of buying two systems to play the games I used to be able to get with one.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 08, 2003, 08:10:49 AM
and I also love nintendo hardware, after all, the GCN is the cheapest, about equally powerful and has the best controller (opinion)
nintendo should keep doing what they have done so far
Post by: Bloodworth on April 08, 2003, 08:59:04 AM
Post by: Trippy Pancakes on April 08, 2003, 09:02:00 AM
True, it would be weird. But it's not the only reason at all. I love it because of the games and like you say the quality of Nintendo's work.
But, the topic was really what if the games were on other systems and how would you feel about that / why would that be a bad thing. And what I meant was that for me, really the only reason I can think of why I would care if Nintendo went 3'rd party would be for the reasons I discussed. As long as I can play the games I want then it doesn't matter too much, but I admit there is a small part of me that likes being in the elite.
I have an Xbox and it's a good console but basically it doesn't have many games that I really want. But if there's a game for a competing system that you really want, get it.
>> My beef with them ever going third party isn't really that they won't make hardware anymore but rather that their games might be spread across multiple consoles and I don't like the idea of buying two systems to play the games I used to be able to get with one.
I guess I always assumed that if this happened Nintendo would put Mario on all the consoles and not do something like put Mario only on Sony and Smash Brothers only on the Xbox. So, yeah that would suck if they started doing exclusives like that.
Post by: Cap on April 08, 2003, 10:39:40 AM
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Post by: theasylumofthedamned on April 08, 2003, 06:35:49 PM
2. Nintendo, even with all the anti-kiddie sentiment, still outdoes the Xbox, geared towards anti-kidide gamers
3. Nintendo, though nowhrere near the PS2's popularity, arguably has the most fun games ever.
Sure, Nintendo could pull outy of the console race... but why?
Post by: Sean on April 08, 2003, 07:39:19 PM
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Post by: PIAC on April 08, 2003, 10:22:08 PM
also nintedo have like the best customer service like ever, they replace your gamecube without a worry, even after the warrenty has expired a few times (well 100% of the time that i have heard).hrm, you may find it unethical but i for one dont, given the incredable sales of the SP the general public doesn't either, also its bringing new people into the world of hand held gaming. IMO if they were going to be unethical about the SP release, it would have had hardware upgrades that would make the current GBA obsolete, hence FORCING people to upgrade to the newer GameBoy to play new games.
Post by: Trippy Pancakes on April 09, 2003, 04:29:04 AM
And bringing out an improved version of the gameboy advance is unethical ? Prior to the inception of the gameboy SP you were happy with the old gameboy (I'm assuming this because you say the SP offered minimum improvements, so you personally must have had no problem seeing the screen with the original gameboy advance).
Then Nintendo releases the SP. A product that you are not forced to purchase. A product that does not make any game released for the prior gameboy advance obsolete. It will affect you in no way. And it makes Nintendo unethical (borderline unethical, you say) ?
I much much prefer using the gameboy SP over the earlier model. It's a big improvement. Yes, it's basically the same thing but with aesthetic and functional improvements. Worth every penny. I'd much rather have the option to purchase an improved model rather than Nintendo not releasing it because they fear they may offend the existing user base (which really has nothing to lose just because the SP is released).
Please choose your words better (or please provide further explanation) because your choice of 'overwhelming' and 'unethical' are way out of line.
Post by: NiteWalker on April 09, 2003, 06:46:01 AM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on April 09, 2003, 08:25:45 AM
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Although profits are declining, they are still making a decent sized profit off gamecube sales, but the biggest issue is ethics. Nintendo has already made two unethical marketing decisions in the past few years: introducing the GBA SP less than two years after introducing the GBA, and the shoddy design of the GameCube. Pulling the plug on the GameCube at this point would be an extremely unethical thing to do, and it would tarnish Nintendo's brand image. The wiser thing to do would be to wait for the next generation of consoles to emerge before it pull the plug on consoles.
It seems that an overwhelming number of gamecube owners are complaining about their cubes malfunctioning and/or no longer working properly at all, which disturbs me. It would be unethical if these problems are the result of a design flaw and if they knew about it, but I don't know whether or not this is the case. The answer to a demand for a light up GBA screen is not unethical, but what they did was simply redesign a product that was already on the market with minimum improvements while the product was still in the early growth stage of the product life cycle. Such product redesigns usually borderline as unethical, that is, it is debatable.
Really? An overwhelming number? That sounds like fan-boy BS to me. I've seen, at the most, ten complaints here at PGC. I myself own two GameCubes, both of which have never malfunctioned in ANY way. I have, however, had both my PS2's break, the first one irreparably, which is why I had to get a second.
You speak of ethics, but it is quite apparent you haven't any idea what it really means.
Post by: KatDaddy on April 09, 2003, 10:58:09 AM
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Xbox creators are fascinated with graphics and in the process they lose framerates. Even with the aid of HDD cache on Xbox, Metroid Prime would be chugger.
Ok...I own an Xbox and a Gamecube, and I'll try to not sound like a "fanboy" of either.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Metroid Prime would be chugger." Are you stating that the performance wouldn't be as good? Absolutely false. The Xbox could handle it easily. Have you seen some of the latest titles that have been released for the Xbox? (Apex, World Racing, Tao Feng, Panzer Dragoon Orta, clips from Halo 2??? Apex and World Racing I know most of the time run at 60FPS.)
I'm not bashing or anything. I have no reason to.
Now, back to the main question:
There is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to pull itself from the console race. Why would they? They have the name recognition, the exclusivity with quite a few titles, the reputation, etc. They have almost all of the keys. They're just not a "super marketing powerhouse" like Sony, or a company with an endless bank account like Microsoft.
Plus, having 3 major manufacturers of consoles is awesome for the customers. Especially the customers that have more than one console. It quells complacency. The three are always trying to "one-up" the competition's best offerings, which is great for us.
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on April 09, 2003, 03:45:51 PM
Well said. I don't mean to be an Xbox basher when I say this, but If you went around your local mall with a red cap with a large letter M on it, people would look and point and say "Look, he;s got a MArio cap on!", as opposed to getting a stunningly-exact replica of a Halo Marines helmet design on your cap, people may not even notice. And I'll say I'm not bashing the Xbox again in case you missed the first part. The only reason why people like the PS2, IMESHO, is because it's got all the "mainstream" games, such as GTA and Kingdom Hearts. The only reason why people like the Cube, IMESHO, is becuase we get more uber-swheetness per game, and finally, IMESO again, Xbox fans like the Xbox because you can kill and mangle tons of people in massive bloodbaths in awesome graphics. Then again, maybe it's just me...
And I'll say it again. I'm not bashing Xbox, and if I am, I don't mean to.
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Post by: PIAC on April 09, 2003, 09:22:15 PM
Post by: nonjagged on April 09, 2003, 11:59:55 PM
1) Nintendo would never port any of their franchises to a cracked platform like psx or xbox. Xbox hardware has now been cracked where someone is running Linux off it.
2) Nintendo would never take its franchises online especially with the BigBrother infrastructure of Microsofts Xbox Live where Microsoft could molester Nintendo's Innovative code.
3) Nintendo porting its franchises to multi-media set-top-boxes is a braindead idea because Nintendo have invested so much time and $$$ into the Gamecube Hardware.
Lack of Gamecube sales or userbase only proves that there is so multi-platform much software saturating the market that less and less gamers are willing to buy any title and thats not even touching up on the piracy issue (cheaper games) on the other platforms.
Its quite possible that only 5-10 MIL gamers out their globally are pure hardcore gamers who play games only on the basis of research rather than hype and saturated marketing the non-gamecube platforms get.
2003 = The Year of the Fund Q & Triforce
Post by: PIAC on April 10, 2003, 01:09:04 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 10, 2003, 02:19:25 AM
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Its quite possible that only 5-10 MIL gamers out their globally are pure hardcore gamers who play games only on the basis of research rather than hype and saturated marketing the non-gamecube platforms get.
Man I hate comments like this.
Why must so many people here think that if you dont own a Game Cube you arent a hard core gamer? That statement is just plain ludicrous.
Why cant someone who only owns a PS2 be hardcore or an X-box?
Who the hell plays games based on research anyway, many people, even hard core gamers play because its fun.
The Game cube is being out sold for one reason. The majority of gamers feel systems like the PS2 have better games, yes I said better, in their opinion the games are better.
Why cant everyone just accept this and deal with it. Play the games you like and forget about it. I know I do.
Post by: KatDaddy on April 10, 2003, 04:15:26 AM
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The only reason why people like the PS2, IMESHO, is because it's got all the "mainstream" games, such as GTA and Kingdom Hearts. The only reason why people like the Cube, IMESHO, is becuase we get more uber-swheetness per game, and finally, IMESO again, Xbox fans like the Xbox because you can kill and mangle tons of people in massive bloodbaths in awesome graphics. Then again, maybe it's just me...
I don't think you're bashing the Xbox, but I believe you're missing the point of why a lot of people buy it. The main reason I personally bought it was the fact that the Dreamcast was discontinued, and Shenmue II was pulled from being released in the US on the DC. Once they announced it for the Xbox, I immediately put a pre-order on an Xbox. Once I researched the titles that were to be released, it just made sense for me. There were a lot of games that were hyped that deserved the hype, some games that were hyped that should have never been released on any console, and some games that were hyped that still have not seen the light of day.
Since months before pre-release, the Xbox was touted as THE console to have because of the "killer apps" that would be coming out. Unfortunately, a lot of the "killer apps" were either excessively hyped, or delayed. There are only about 8 "absolutely killer apps" for the Xbox that I can think of (Halo, Steel Battalion, NFL Fever 2003, Morrowind, etc), some of which are not even out that were slated for a 2001 release (Brute Force, others...).
The Xbox system is very powerful, and their second wind is coming this summer/fall with releases such as Fable, Brute Force, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, True Crime :Streets of LA, MotoGP II, Return to Castle Wolfenstein:Tides of War, etc. Even their latest releases have made some leaps in graphic quality/gameplay. Apex and World Racing are 2 awesome racing titles that have to be seen to be believed, especially while playing on an HDTV and listening to the 5.1 Dolby Digital/DTS. However, it seems that the Xbox has trouble hyping the crap out of some titles that just turn into mediocre ordeals.
Here's the way I see it: PS2 will continue to pump out tons of games, good or not. Like was said above, they appeal to the mainstream gamer that just wants tons of available titles. The Xbox will continue to mainly appeal to the older gamer. Proof of this is the fact that there's really only one kids' title out of all the titles that have been developed, or are in development. And it was Shrek, and it sucks.
The Gamecube concept, I guess, really has not changed too much. However, like I've stated before, I'm far from a Nintendo spokesperson. It seems that Nintendo is content to retain their present customer base by providing new titles within existing franchaises (Mario, Zelda, etc). This way, Nintendo can retain their current customers, and chip away at the fan base of other consoles. This is how I've come to own a Gamecube. It also seems that Nintendo releases less "crap" on their system. I'm not saying that they are the "king of apps", but that they release less bombs. I think if you pick up any Gamecube title, especially 1st party titles, you can rest assured that you are at least going to get a decent game.
This is just my take on the whole situation. I love my Xbox, and more than likely, it will continue to be my primary console. However, my Gamecube is seeing more playtime, mainly because of Zelda:WW and Metroid Prime.
What will hurt the Gamecube is if Xbox online really takes off. The next 6 months will tell the tale, because in early November most of the "free" XBL memberships will expire, and the renewals or lack thereof will probably make/break XBL. Personally, I played the crap out of XBL for the first 2-3 months, but I have not been on in the last 3 months or so. Unless more killer apps are released before renewal, I personally will not be renewing.
Anyway, I've ranted enough. This may not even make sense....lol.
Post by: egman on April 10, 2003, 07:37:42 AM
I'm no business mogul, but if I was Nintendo I would definately look into ways of being profitable as a niche, because frankly I see trying to compete head to head with Sony and MS will be the more difficult route. Unless a drastic change occurs in the industry on the level of the crash of the early 80's, there's little chance they will be THE dominate force again unless they make changes to their development philosophy, which I also believe is not viable option.
Post by: Bloodworth on April 10, 2003, 08:47:26 AM
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I think if you pick up any Gamecube title, especially 1st party titles, you can rest assured that you are at least going to get a decent game.
You have not seen the atrocities that are Driven, Darkened Skye, and The Scorpion King.
Just picking on you. Great post.
BTW: True Crime: Streets of LA is coming to GC too.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 10, 2003, 08:59:11 AM
Im not too sure about what the Xbox has to offer, but looking at the release list, you see that Nintendo has yet to bring its UBER games.
Except Zelda and Metroid no super game has seen the light, but TOo Human, Mario 128, Zelda 2, F-Zero are all on the way.
The only thing that make Nintendo have a bad future is bad marketing.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 10, 2003, 10:48:49 AM
What many hard core gamers call crappy games a lot of casual gamers truly enjoy.
Many gamers dont care about the length of a game, or the frame rate, or a deep story.
They might enjoy graphics over gameplay, gimmicks over substance and so on. I know many will say then that means that they enjoy inferior games, I agree and disagree. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
Many casual games dont want to spend 50 hours playing Zelda, they want a game that has action right out of the gate, a game that they can wrap up in the period of a rental, Timesplitters is a prime example of this style of game, so is GTA3, big reasons IMO why they sell so well.
At the end of the day nintendo is a business, a business that sells both software and hardware. I see nothing wrong with Nintendo making the style of games they make, games like Mario and Zelda will wlways keep the loyals on board. What they need to do is somehow get more games in the style of GTA and timesplitters, more games with mass appeal, be it first, second or third party.
I for one would love to see the Nintendo section have as many games as the PS2 section, this IMO would give Nintendo its best shot at regaining dominance. I dont think one or two killer games will do it, Mario 128 (I hope it kicks ass) wont be enough as Zelda wasnt enough. Mass appeal is the only answer. If Nintendo wants its numbers to rise, both in sales and profits then it must provide the best of both worlds. IMO Nintendo is the only company that can really achieve this lofty goal because of its first party titles and loyal following, they already have the hard part covered. I just dont understand why they are having so much trouble with the easy part.
Post by: Mario on April 10, 2003, 05:08:46 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on April 11, 2003, 10:59:14 AM
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A good idea would be for Nintendo to release a huge new franchise with huge mainstream appeal (like gta3) at around the same time as a Pokemon GC, so whether your "teh mature" or "teh kiddy", Nintendo Gamecube is the console for you... or something along those lines... *shrugs shoulders*
Well, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Silicon Knights' next game were the one to do this. To paraphrase Denis, the thing Eternal Darkness lacked was that mass-market appeal. He compared it to a well-done independent movie. So in their next game they're designing it so it will have more instant appeal while actually going significantly deeper than ED did. Of course if Conker, Metroid, and RE couldn't shake Nintendo's image, it's unlikely that any one game will. Image problems don't change overnight.
Post by: Mario on April 11, 2003, 02:25:20 PM
I agree with you that Nintendo's image problem cant change overnight, but it is possible, maybe a low chance, but anything is possible. Goldeneye is a good example. I think if Nintendo can get at least one game as popular as Goldeneye or GTA3, it would show a significant difference in sales. Nintendo sometimes just comes out of nowhere with some of thier games, like Pokemon and Goldeneye. C'mon, who thought they were gonna be as successful as they were before they were released, certainly not me. I cant wait to see how Silicon Knight's next project turns out, Eternal Darkness was brilliant.
Post by: SmellySocks on April 12, 2003, 10:55:06 AM
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on April 12, 2003, 04:19:01 PM
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Its quite possible that only 5-10 MIL gamers out their globally are pure hardcore gamers who play games only on the basis of research rather than hype and saturated marketing the non-gamecube platforms get.
Man I hate comments like this.
Why must so many people here think that if you dont own a Game Cube you arent a hard core gamer? That statement is just plain ludicrous.
Why cant someone who only owns a PS2 be hardcore or an X-box?
Who the hell plays games based on research anyway, many people, even hard core gamers play because its fun.
The Game cube is being out sold for one reason. The majority of gamers feel systems like the PS2 have better games, yes I said better, in their opinion the games are better.
Why cant everyone just accept this and deal with it. Play the games you like and forget about it. I know I do.
While it's true that a "hardcore" gamer can own a PS2 or Xbox, a REAL gamer wouldn't diss Nintendo's games either, because even if you don't like them they are extremely well made.
Furthermore, I don't believe that people like the PS2 better because it has "better" games. They like it because it has a higher variety of games that they play. I know I bought a PS2 because of the sheer quantity of games it would have, so chances are I'll like quite a few of them.
Post by: nonjagged on April 13, 2003, 08:56:45 AM
If you did your research
apparently Gamecube does not quite have large install userbase and the leftovers would be the hardcore gamers from the other platforms that make up the numbers which I plucked out of the air. Its pretty much safe to say that mainstremers or casual entertainment markets make up the majority of the markets and loyal hardcore gamers are the minority of the total world install userbase for the gaming industry.Besides the harcore gaming term has been tarnished.
You can now have hardcore gamers that sell their games once theyve finished them because possibly the gamers arent worth keeping or you can have hardcore gamers that keep their games once theyve finished them (especially N ones) and you can also have hardcore gamers who buy bundles of pirate games and couldnt care less if they lossed them when they finished with them.
Its all a mess right now.
Seriously if Microsoft was anymore serious than Sony in the console industry they wouldnt have released a platform thats already been cracked (Cough its a PC platform) and then impose a bigbrother online infrustructure ontop of it to monitor the cracked platform which is suited for PC developers.
Did the PC industry drive Microsoft out of gaming and thats why Microsoft is focusing on consoles instead of PC o/s?
Or is Microsoft just milking money out of the industry instead of building a real platform like Nintendo (a proprietory platform that doesnt focus on an easily obtained userbase because of its lack of piracy protection).
The lesson is many issues can be raised but answers can vary according to one's interpretation or misinterpretation.
2003 = The Year Fund Q & Triforce
