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Title: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: AV on June 24, 2008, 01:51:58 AM
IGN is hinting Kid Icarus, Pikmin 3 and Animal crossing and a surprise game, however this is Nintendo and nobody knew about WiiSports or WiiFit so they might be a total surprise.
What we do know is that they have more "core games" coming so thats good news and they are considering solutions for storage problem.
This is an odd E3 we already have Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Smash Brothers, and Mario Kart on the Wii so we really don't know what exactly to see.
My predictions: Firmware update that allows SD storage for VC and Wiiware games. Nintendo will provide 2 GIG SD cards with some games pre-installed onto them at stores to buy, but any SD card will be fine.
Nintendogs: Pedigree Edition (09) and WiiMusic (09) for Wii with online support for Casual gamers and announce Animal crossing but it won't be released until next year.
Nintendo will publish The Conduit and will surprise everyone with November release date when previously not expected to release this year. Pikmin 3 will be shown with claymation art style (same as commercials) which will upset some hardcore gamers but it will be a great game and release in October. Kid Icarus rumors will come to pass and it will play like a mix of God of War and Super Mario Galaxy.
Nintendo will apologize for Smash Brothers Online problems and shut down the servers during E3 and will turn them back on after and will works allot better and as good as we hoped for.
Squarenix will surprise everyone with Kingdom Hearts that includes Nintendo characters for the Wii which will also release THIS year.
So 2008:
The Conduit Kid Icarus: Angels of Eternity Kingdom hearts: Universe in Chaos Pikmin 3
I predict a huge E3 , and Nintendo to ignore the casual market for the rest of the year as they try to keep up supply of Wiifit for them and focus on Hardcore gamers. The balance board will be used by 3rd parties but Nothing shown from Nintendo themselves and challenges 3rd party developers to develop better looking, better controlling games. Reggie will come out aggressive and say Wii has been home of to many games that look and play like garbage, this is shameful and scorn the lazy 3rd parties. This e3 Nintendo will make hardcore gamers love them again.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 24, 2008, 02:02:45 AM
I hope for: Release date of Disaster: Day of Crisis Renewed development of Project H.A.M.M.E.R Red Steel 2 looking amazing
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Post by: Caterkiller on June 24, 2008, 02:09:11 AM
Vega, if all that stuff happened... MAN! Pikmin and Kid Icarus are what I completely expect. But that Kingdom Hearts stuff would completely blow me away.
I expect allot of companies to really jump on the Wii boat this year, with real games this time. And by real games, I mean great(seemingly at least) quality games exclusive to Nintendo.
Also Star Fox, by Nintendo, is what I wan't the most. More than any new franchise, or existing one.
Though what I hope for but know it will never happen is downloadable Dixie Kong and Ridley for Brawl.
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Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2008, 02:10:19 AM
I've been a fanboi long enough to know the sting of expecting the world and Nintendo not giving it to me at E3. Sooooooo....
I expect a lot of people to come back from the conference sort of underwhelmed and as always, a little bit confused over what to feel about Nintendo's mainstream success. Nintendo always puts on a GREAT SHOW and a wonderfully coordinated, fast-paced, and entertaining one as well. But they always focus on different things than what the internet expects and what MS or Sony do. It seems like after every media event the enthusiast internet observer comes walking away feeling like they're not the center of the universe. However, the warm glow of the internet fixes that right up quick.
But enough ranting! Let's talk about Nintendo's Press Conference...
I fully expect:
-Nintendo to talk about a lot of old news: Super Mario Sluggers, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario kart, Brawl -Nintendo to talk about their channels, Nintendo channel especially and its place in how they can reach wii owners for ads and market research -Nintendo to talk about passing XBox 360 in America and being in number 1 in all major markets worldwide -Nintendo to talk about WiiWare success -Nintendo to talk about Wii users, how lots of players are "core gamers", probably use examples like Mario kart and their own demographics research
My wild predictions include:
-Nintendo will show off Kirby for the Wii, call it a "bridge title," launching this holiday season -Nintendo's press conference will be the first place we get an eye on some new WiiWare game from a no-name developer -Nintendo announces stronger SD card support as a storage solution
My baseless hopes include:
-Nintendo announces Animal Crossing online this holiday season -Nintendo showcases upcoming third party games like de Blob, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World -Nintendo has High Voltage Studios come up onstage to showcase Conduit -Nintendo also briefly mentions that Red Steel 2 is coming -We get an update on Wii Music, maybe hitting 2009?
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2008, 02:47:58 AM
PAC MAN VERSUS
PAC MAN VERSUS
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: IceCold on June 24, 2008, 02:59:48 AM
Give me F-Zero or give me death.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 05:55:54 AM
As a WiiWare title that uses the DS would be amazing.
add to this online play!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 06:53:57 AM
I'm going to turn into Jonny and say that online play wouldn't add much to the game. The great part of Pac-Man vs. was the insanity of 4 people and the atmosphere of having them all in the same room. It's like making Mario Party online, the game wouldn't even be half as fun. Voice chat and playing with friends could help, but still nowhere near as good.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 24, 2008, 07:00:42 AM
I was half-joking. I thought you would come back and one up me and we would keep at it till morn.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on June 24, 2008, 07:19:39 AM
I predict the meeting layout to go as Kairon laid it out above, but instead of Kirby, I expect Animal Crossing. I'm also expecting something from Disaster, some new Wii(insert word here) title, and I'm hoping for one big surprise title, something out of the blue.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 24, 2008, 09:33:49 AM
I'm still hoping for Pilotwings Wii.
But an F-Zero, Star Fox or Pikmin would be nice.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on June 24, 2008, 10:08:08 AM
I'm going to turn into Jonny and say that online play wouldn't add much to the game. The great part of Pac-Man vs. was the insanity of 4 people and the atmosphere of having them all in the same room. It's like making Mario Party online, the game wouldn't even be half as fun. Voice chat and playing with friends could help, but still nowhere near as good.
How was it with 2 or 3 people? I think I'd struggle to get 4 people (with DS's) together to play.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2008, 10:13:56 AM
It's more fun to actually just list everything in one group than separate them into "I expect this" and "I would like to see this"...
~ Pie charts reveal that Nintendo is indeed kicking a lot of ass... ~ Wii release dates for Disaster, Wii Music, Animal Crossing, Fatal Frame, Wario Land Shake, and Kid Icarus, all for this year...Kirby Wii pops up, but will be a 2009 title... ~ On the DS side, Soma Bringer, Professor Layton and Pandora's Box, and Glory of Heracles will all be localized this year...Kirby Ultra Super Deluxe delayed to release alongside Kirby Wii (September 29th release)... ~ I expect Wii Music and Animal Crossing to take up a nice chunk of the conference, just like Wii Fit did last year... ~ New Super Mario Brothers 2 revealed, being a spiritual sequel to Super Mario 3 or World...November 2008 release... ~ GOLDEN SUN 3 (for DS)... ~ Retro's new Wii game will be revealed (Zelda rumor?)...Release will be Summer/Fall 2009... ~ Pikmin 3 (possibly by NST?) will be revealed for Wii, as might Star Fox (done internally), but F-Zero is dead... ~ NST will reveal a new IP for Wii...Release will be early 2009... ~ A couple new games will be revealed for use with the Balance Board, including Wario Ware Balanced... ~ Third party roll including footage for FFCC: The Crystal Bearers (which will be a completely different looking game than it looked in the original teaser) and Monster Hunter 3...Nintendo will also announce that they have gained exclusive rights to another major 3rd party franchise... ~ A new Zelda Wii trailer will appear, but not at the conference...Instead, it will pop up the next day much like the Brawl trailer did...
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Post by: Pale on June 24, 2008, 10:59:45 AM
OPs Smash Brothers server fix is a total pipe dream. =P
I will say that I think Kingdom Hearts on Wii is becoming more and more probable. In my opinion, if it was on PS3, they would have already shown it in some form...
That said, as much as I want Nintendo universes to be in it, I'm still not sold that that would happen.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 24, 2008, 11:17:19 AM
I expect nothing.
Thy Nintendo overlords giveth, and they may taketh. They will please us so long as it pleases them and expecting them to grace us with more is just asking for them to punish our greed by stripping us of all our the joy they've allowed up to partake in.
(Four Swords DS-Online pls)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 11:19:03 AM
I'm going to turn into Jonny and say that online play wouldn't add much to the game. The great part of Pac-Man vs. was the insanity of 4 people and the atmosphere of having them all in the same room. It's like making Mario Party online, the game wouldn't even be half as fun. Voice chat and playing with friends could help, but still nowhere near as good.
How was it with 2 or 3 people? I think I'd struggle to get 4 people (with DS's) together to play.
You'd only need 1 DS, for the person that's Pac Man, everyone else could just use Wiimote in NES position. The game would work so much better with everything wireless, the cords always got tangled when we passed the controllers around. It probably shouldn't have headlined an E3 press conference, but it was some of the best multiplayer fun I had on the Cube. Probably second-best, only narrowly edged out by TimeSplitters 2.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2008, 11:20:56 AM
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: animecyberrat on June 24, 2008, 11:24:15 AM
I don't think I want to get too excited for this E3. I would want to hear something about The Conduit, Ghostbusters, Kirby, Star Fox and maybe Pikmin.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
If Nintendo announces a new Pikmin and greater SD support it's automatically the best E3 ever.
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Post by: KDR_11k on June 24, 2008, 11:31:57 AM
I hope for some games I'd actually want. Don't really expect that to happen though.
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Post by: Arbok on June 24, 2008, 01:12:30 PM
F-Zero with solid online play... that is all at this time.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2008, 01:13:37 PM
Pikmin 3 would just make my day. That's it. Release that and I'll play nothing else for the rest of the year. I want more than that. I want something really creative a different that ISN'T targetted at non-gamers. But Pikmin 3 would suit me fine. I would have no problem with using a claymation style either. That would fit the game well. I think I like the current style more but it wouldn't bother me that much. Just no cel-shading or paper-thin stuff. Pikmin has to look like nature for it to really work.
And don't ruin it for non-gamers. Make it for the people who loved the first two games.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2008, 01:36:11 PM
Rumor has it Reggie will be unveiled this year. Reggie will be presenting during this portion of the conference.
Rumor also has it that Nintendo of America's President Reggie Fils-Awesome will take over Mario Kart Wii onrine.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
Maybe they could give Reggie a sidekick, a guy to polish Reggie's boots before and after he kicks asses and keep track of all the names Reggie took. He could be eleven feet tall and have the strength of 17 men but never speak, only roar like an angry puma.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 24, 2008, 01:55:37 PM
They are going to announce the Zelda FPS game which Miyamoto gave us a taste of with Link's Crossbow training. Trust me, folks, Nintendo is going to do something drastically different with their Zelda franchise. Expect the unexpected...
Oh yeah, and Icarus and hopefully a Wii Punch-out game too.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 24, 2008, 02:00:13 PM
Maybe they could give Reggie a sidekick, a guy to polish Reggie's boots before and after he kicks asses and keep track of all the names Reggie took. He could be eleven feet tall and have the strength of 17 men but never speak, only roar like an angry puma.
I think you have it wrong. Reggie's assistant will be a miniature version of himself, and will be played by the same actor who played Mini Me in the Austin Powers movies. :P
But in all seriousness, isn't Reggie cool enough to warrant his own video game franchise? I can't help but wonder what genre a Reggie-based game would fall under (assuming Nintendo actually made something like that).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 02:05:46 PM
They really should do that, it could be Nintendo's first big WiiWare game. The first thing that came to mind is gameplay in the style of Zelda 2. Overworld exploration to find the 8 people whose asses you must kick to retrieve their names. The names, recited backwards in the precise order will unleash the beast that will destroy UbiSoft.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 24, 2008, 02:16:13 PM
They really should do that, it could be Nintendo's first big WiiWare game.
Dr. Mario RX and My Pokemon Ranch, say "hi". ;)
Speaking of which, what other first party WiiWare titles has Nintendo announced? I can't think of any besides those two.
Hopefully Nintendo doesn't flood WiiWare with their own games. Nintendo can make a couple, but WiiWare is already a healthy place for third parties, and I'd hate for Nintendo to disrupt that.
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Post by: vudu on June 24, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
Agreed. Shame on Nintendo for thinking its allowed to release games for its own system. For shame.
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Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
Agreed. Shame on Nintendo for thinking its allowed to release games for its own system. For shame.
I just think that restraint on Nintendo's part would go a long way to winning third-party support. They don't have to be number 1 EVERYWHERE ya know...
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 24, 2008, 03:59:48 PM
Agreed. Shame on Nintendo for thinking its allowed to release games for its own system. For shame.
I just think that restraint on Nintendo's part would go a long way to winning third-party support. They don't have to be number 1 EVERYWHERE ya know...
Nintendo has been showing restraint throughout this generation and 3rd parties are still treating Wii like crap.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2008, 04:01:40 PM
The secret to 3rd party success is
1) having some sort of cash cow 2) releasing cheap crap games to fund said cash cow
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 24, 2008, 04:09:29 PM
If Nintendo announces a new Pikmin and greater SD support it's automatically the best E3 ever.
Yeah, it seems like all Nintendo needs is a SD or better storage/play solution and any one of the following hardcore games:
Pikmin, F-Zero, Star Fox, Kid Icarus
and most Nintendo fans would be reasonably pleased.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 24, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
F-Zero can fall off a cliff and die. Yes DIE.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 04:29:05 PM
Forget about F-Zero on the Wii, give me the 64DD F-Zero X Expansion Kit on the VC. I only want StarFox if Nintendo's going to start doing voice chat, that will be necessary for 4 player online co-op.
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Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2008, 04:34:31 PM
If Nintendo announces a new Pikmin and greater SD support it's automatically the best E3 ever.
Yeah, it seems like all Nintendo needs is a SD or better storage/play solution and any one of the following hardcore games:
Pikmin, F-Zero, Star Fox, Kid Icarus
and most Nintendo fans would be reasonably pleased.
Considering how Pikmin, F-Zero GX, StarFox Assault, and Kid Icarus sold, there must not be that many Nintendo fans.
The real customer base wants MOAR ZELDA, MOAR MARIO PARTY.
LONG LIVE CASUAL
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2008, 08:07:08 PM
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Considering how Pikmin, F-Zero GX, StarFox Assault, and Kid Icarus sold, there must not be that many Nintendo fans.
I don't think how well a game sells on an unpopular console is a good indication of it's sales potential. If the Gamecube was the number one console last gen do you figure they would have sold so poorly? At the same time there were PS2 games that were very successful on the market leading console but might not have done so well as Gamecube exclusives. The issue is that no one bought the Gamecube PERIOD. So I think on a market leading console like the Wii all Nintendo franchises have better sales potential. They have a clean slate.
Plus Star Fox on the Gamecube DESERVED to sell poorly.
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Post by: Shift Key on June 24, 2008, 08:12:49 PM
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Post by: stevey on June 24, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
A new Zelda game were Link is female!! 8)
A new Smash bros. on the DS, which Masahiro Sakurai knows nothing about before hand but will be called up by Iwata to do a speech about it that will be mainly full of BS made on the spot and the whole web will hate him for later when he can't deliver...
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Post by: Ceric on June 24, 2008, 09:35:32 PM
Banjo Master: Tales of the South... Believe... Project H.A.M.M.E.R... Believe...
Hopefully we'll get Kirby... Maybe Earthbound the complete series on DS...
Of Course WiiMusic and Probably something like WiiDraw. Maybe a WiiWare equivalent of the Bit Generations game.
EBA with Real Dancing Action.
A New Channel that Will sound sweet but be Lackluster...
Gamecube Game Collections...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
If Banjo Master involves a big banjo controller ala Guitar Hero and has banjo versions of Nintendo music and your guide is Miyamoto's disembodied head Kawashima style it's the greatest casual game ever created.
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Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2008, 01:53:04 AM
In terms of unannounced games/surprises...
Realistically: DS - New Super Mario Bros 2 DS - new 2D Metroid DS redesign to be launched by the end of the year Wii - Mega Man 9 Wii - Animal Crossing Wii - Mario Party 27 with Balance Board support Wii - Kid Icarus trailer, out next year Wii - The Legend of Zelda trailer, out next year or later Wii - brand new 2D Castlevania that links up to Order of Ecclesia
In a perfect world: DS - Golden Sun 3 DS - Metal Gear... to prove that Nintendo didn't just advertise a PS3 exclusive in their own game... DS - Mother 3 Wii - whatever Monolith Soft is making besides Disaster: Days of Crisis Wii - Metal Gear... because Nintendo deserves 2 original Metal Gear titles for putting Snake in Brawl Wii - a RE4:WE style Resident Evil title Wii - Eternal Darkness 2 Wii - Starcraft Ghost... yeah, I know.... DS/Wii - some original IPs for Nintendo and 3rd parties
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Post by: blackfootsteps on June 25, 2008, 04:27:27 AM
Lolololol. Those of you wanting steampunk Zelda have got your wish. :rolleyes: (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/730/voflogopn3.jpg)
Apparently there is some fake interview with Aonuma floating around with a synopsis of Zelda Wii.
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Post by: Shift Key on June 25, 2008, 04:52:30 AM
TEH MATUREZ ZELDA
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 25, 2008, 11:45:58 AM
mature sailing zelda?
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Post by: Sarail on June 25, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
Too much brown.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 25, 2008, 12:53:12 PM
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DS - new 2D Metroid
This is a realistic possibility? I fear 2D Metroid is dead and sh!tty FPS Metroid is the new portable Metroid. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Metroid is completely a FPS series and the FPA aspect of Metroid Prime is slowly phased out.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 25, 2008, 12:55:19 PM
bah
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Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2008, 12:55:40 PM
This is a realistic possibility? I fear 2D Metroid is dead and sh!tty FPS Metroid is the new portable Metroid. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Metroid is completely a FPS series and the FPA aspect of Metroid Prime is slowly phased out.
Haha, what? There have been ZERO indications of there ever being another Metroid Prime Hunters...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 26, 2008, 07:44:04 AM
This is a realistic possibility? I fear 2D Metroid is dead and sh!tty FPS Metroid is the new portable Metroid. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Metroid is completely a FPS series and the FPA aspect of Metroid Prime is slowly phased out.
Nintendo isn't the same as Sony or MS when it comes to 2D gaming. They still do develop quite a few old school 2D games. Not as many as they could, but I think its reasonable to expect there to be more 2D Metroid games eventually (although they will probably be for the DS and/or WiiWare).
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Post by: KDR_11k on June 26, 2008, 09:08:20 AM
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Metroid is completely a FPS series and the FPA aspect of Metroid Prime is slowly phased out.
They're already half way there with Prime 3 :P
I'm not sure if Metroid really needs more games, it's been slowly going downhill (Prime 1 > 3, Super Metroid > Zero Mission though ZM was an improvement over fusion) and I'd rather see it go out on a mostly positive note than failure. <insert usual rant about NES-era characters being more liabilities than assets now and that new characters with less incoherent story baggage are needed>. In short, don't make a new Metroid, make a new game that fills the same niche as Metroid but lets players experience something new without the expectations of the old franchise.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 26, 2008, 11:57:47 AM
RIQA IN SPACE
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Post by: Sarail on June 26, 2008, 12:51:14 PM
RIQA? Why does that sound familiar?
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Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
Realistically: DS - New Super Mario Bros 2 Boo. DS - new 2D Metroid Yeah! DS redesign to be launched by the end of the year Baah...(Wish this was last year) Wii - Mega Man 9 I be excited if they hadn't kiddified the Mega Man character so hard core in the later ones. Wii - Animal Crossing Mixed feelings... Wii - Mario Party 27 with Balance Board support Boo. First they need real Wiimote support Wii - Kid Icarus trailer, out next year Could be interesting Wii - The Legend of Zelda trailer, out next year or later Boo, unless its a remake of Wind Waker with less sailing more fighting. Wii - brand new 2D Castlevania that links up to Order of Ecclesia That could be fun.
In a perfect world: DS - Golden Sun 3 No. Golden Sun Wii. Can I get Amen, Brother. DS - Metal Gear... to prove that Nintendo didn't just advertise a PS3 exclusive in their own game... IF this happens it be that tactical one for the PSP DS - Mother 3 I like the complete collection. Wii - whatever Monolith Soft is making besides Disaster: Days of Crisis Sure why Not Wii - Metal Gear... because Nintendo deserves 2 original Metal Gear titles for putting Snake in Brawl The whole series Wii - a RE4:WE style Resident Evil title Yes, Please. Wii - Eternal Darkness 2 No, Please. Wii - Starcraft Ghost... yeah, I know.... Wii- Duke Nukem Forever DS/Wii - some original IPs for Nintendo and 3rd parties Truly original ones be wonderful.
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Post by: Morari on June 26, 2008, 10:21:14 PM
Did you just put down Eternal Darkness? You're dead to me.
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Post by: Plugabugz on June 27, 2008, 03:25:46 AM
I want more multi million sellers like Wii Chess.
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Post by: Morari on June 27, 2008, 05:31:18 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Wii Chess released in America. It would have been neat to be able to play via a Channel of the Message Board, turn by turn. That way, your matches could take weeks! :)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 27, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
Nintendo should make a Mario Chess game, which would have Toads as pawns, and Mario would be the king and Peach would be the Queen, and Luigi and Yoshi and a few others can flesh out the rest. They could spice it up with some cool battle animations and sound effects, and maybe even some unconventional chess rules and additions like powerups and stuff.
Everyone's played Chess before, but Mario Chess could be fresh and exciting.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 27, 2008, 06:29:51 PM
Nintendo should make a Mario Chess game, which would have Toads as pawns, and Mario would be the king and Peach would be the Queen, and Luigi and Yoshi and a few others can flesh out the rest. They could spice it up with some cool battle animations and sound effects, and maybe even some unconventional chess rules and additions like powerups and stuff.
Everyone's played Chess before, but Mario Chess could be fresh and exciting.
I would so buy that if it were an actual real-life chess board, not so much as a game. I flat out refuse to buy a Chess game on the Wii that's not WiiWare, and even then it's a stretch, it's something I'd much rather have on a handheld.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 27, 2008, 07:18:25 PM
Nintendo should make a Mario Chess game, which would have Toads as pawns, and Mario would be the king and Peach would be the Queen, and Luigi and Yoshi and a few others can flesh out the rest. They could spice it up with some cool battle animations and sound effects, and maybe even some unconventional chess rules and additions like powerups and stuff.
Everyone's played Chess before, but Mario Chess could be fresh and exciting.
I would so buy that if it were an actual real-life chess board, not so much as a game. I flat out refuse to buy a Chess game on the Wii that's not WiiWare, and even then it's a stretch, it's something I'd much rather have on a handheld.
I see where you're coming from. I wouldn't buy a purely Chess video game either (unless it was like $10 or less). But if it were included as part of a collection ala Clubhouse Games for the DS, then I say hell yeah! I'd pay the usual Wii game rate of $50 for a collection of 40+ classic board games, especially if it had darts and billiards and all that good stuff that Clubhouse games had.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 27, 2008, 07:29:32 PM
I'd buy a game with just Chess on the DS, in fact I'm planning on buying Chessmaster: The Art of Learning at some point.
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Post by: Kairon on June 27, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
I may be channeling IanSane here, but I hope that Wii Chess dies a horrible horrible death. Nintendo shouldn't be putting out barebones implementations of stuff like this. Clubhouse games has its place, but now you've shown them the way and they should take over. If Nintendo makes a chess game, it better be darn-friggin'-tastic because Nintendo should devote their resources to leading the way... and making Pikmin 3...
. .. ...
Pikmin Chess?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 28, 2008, 12:03:21 AM
I would play Pikmin Chess.
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Post by: Tanookisuit on June 28, 2008, 12:07:21 AM
I will tell you this- Nintendo has started putting together a team of testers for Animal Crossing Wii in Redmond. They haven't received it yet, but they've been told it's coming.
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Post by: Morari on June 28, 2008, 12:55:16 AM
I wouldn't mind an updated version of Battle Chess... :)
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 28, 2008, 01:23:45 AM
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Metroid is completely a FPS series and the FPA aspect of Metroid Prime is slowly phased out.
About damn time too.
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Post by: Plugabugz on June 28, 2008, 09:05:49 AM
Come to think of it, i want a Facebook Channel. And i don't mean a variation of the Internet Channel - a full blown layout of your profile and your friends, pokes etc that ties back to the Wii Message Board.
If we're going blue ocean we might as well gather the hundreds of millions there while we're at it.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 29, 2008, 11:20:40 PM
virtual console solitaire
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 30, 2008, 02:44:32 AM
That would go great with the homebrew Minesweeper game.
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Post by: D_Average on June 30, 2008, 04:27:56 PM
Considering we've received a mere 2 channels since last E3, I hope for some new ones. Ones that don't involve Mii's or whether I prefer lobster to crabs.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 30, 2008, 04:35:20 PM
Lobster.
And I'm fine on channels, my front page is full up with non-vc channels.
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Post by: Morari on June 30, 2008, 06:28:11 PM
I'd rather have scallops. Lobster is severely overrated, especially the tail meat.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 30, 2008, 06:46:30 PM
or is that make to much sense and thus impossible for Nintendo?
Yeah, too much sense. I shudder at the though of streaming 2 hours of a Nintendo Media Conference through the Nintendo channel...
But anywhere from one to four weeks after E3 we might get a trickling of E3 reports or interviews, condensed into 5-10 minute chunks maybe?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 01, 2008, 12:13:42 PM
I could see a Firmware update right after the E3 conference if some new big compatibility feature or channel is added.
I actually see Nintendo having several of their E3 game announcement videos being available on the Nintendo Channel the day after their conference. Even possible specials throughout E3.
Why not it is cheap and easy marketing for them.
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Post by: Giusexxy on July 01, 2008, 12:34:07 PM
I would have to say that I'm hoping for things that probably wont happen.
I would like to see: A firmware update that would let my Wii connect to an external HD An amazing (As amazing as you can get on the Wii) On-line FPS with Downloadable content An exclusive MMO RPG Spore... Not just a watered down version either
I've heard that Pikmen 3 will be announced and I am very excited about that. Also Kid Icarus, that could be great. I hope we get a revamped DS lite, and a more promising lineup for Wiiware. Animal crossing should be amazing, especially if they open up on-line play for it and incorporate a Wii channel. Also, I know in the grand scheme of things this might not be very important but a tweak to the Wii's user interface would be nice.
At this point I don't feel very excited about any announcements that they will make. I am hopefull though, I hope they will finally turn their focus on us core gamers instead of the quick buck that the shallow market has opened up for them. I hope to walk away from E3 with at least four things to be excited about, that isn't much to ask for... Is it?
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Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2008, 01:44:37 PM
I hope to walk away from E3 with at least four things to be excited about, that isn't much to ask for... Is it?
FOUR?!?!? ... hmm... heck, I'd be ecstatic if we got TWO genuinely uber-exciting things out of this E3.
Set yourselves up for disappointment people! I mean, last year you got Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 and Wii Fit and Zelda: PH... and you STILLL weren't happy!!! I mean, what gives?!?!? If E3 2007 didn't cut it for you, E3 2008 is a guaranteed bust I'm sure.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2008, 04:01:01 PM
Nintendo will introduce a new character and game that looks sort of like a penis
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 01, 2008, 04:16:59 PM
Legend of Wiildo
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Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2008, 08:05:02 PM
I demand satisfaction.
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Post by: TheFleece on July 01, 2008, 08:47:27 PM
I hope they show Animal Crossing regardless of when it comes out here (I say next year), Kid Icarus even though it's all just been insane chatter. A sequel to Red Steel would be appreciated, as well as a F Zero because they gave us that wheel and nothing else to rock it on. I'm not very excited about a Kirby game, but I'll take it if they do. I'd like a real RPG please, I feel that I keep running to my DS for them and I can't deal anymore. Also they will really have to smile a lot when they reveal the solution to the storage problem. A LOT! If they show off a new DS I'll freak out, but I seriously doubt it.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2008, 11:43:36 PM
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Post by: Kairon on July 02, 2008, 02:11:27 AM
Part of what'll make E3 great will be getting a better idea of what the fall lineup will look like. I can already rattle off titles dues this fall from some third parties, but hopefully E3 will be the glue that'll bring them all together.
.... God wouldn't it be great if they announced that Joysound was coming to the states with localized American Karaoke songs?
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2008, 05:15:31 AM
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Post by: Smakian on July 02, 2008, 06:11:45 AM
Honestly, I'm preparing myself for nothing earth-shattering, just more information on the titles we know are coming. Not to say that I don't think I could be pleasantly surprised by something major, in fact I probably will be, but Nintendo has already put a couple of heavy-hitters out this year, and their console is doing just fine on its own. If we do get details about new tentpole projects in development (Metroid, Zelda, etc.), I wouldn't be shocked if they're 2009 releases. But, I guess we'll see. Plenty of third party stuff to be excited about in any case.
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Post by: D_Average on July 02, 2008, 10:33:52 AM
How about Nintendo anouncing a new game with immersive motion controls? I think its pretty pathetic that almost two years into the console's life span, we only have a handful of games which utilize motion controls correctly. In my opinion, Wii Sports was great because it demonstrated what the Wii was capable of. Back in Nov 2006, this got me excited to play sports games again.
Two years later, I'm still waiting for somebody to make a decent golf, baseball, and basketball game.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on July 02, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
Two years later, I'm still waiting for somebody to make a decent golf, baseball, and basketball game.
MLB Power Pros makes for a great Baseball game. The second one is coming up in about a month I believe, MLB Power Pros 2008. That one is sure to be amazing. Hopefully We Love Golf from Camelot will be great, and that is coming up soon as well.
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Post by: Sarail on July 02, 2008, 11:07:33 AM
Two years later, I'm still waiting for somebody to make a decent golf, baseball, and basketball game.
MLB Power Pros makes for a great Baseball game. The second one is coming up in about a month I believe, MLB Power Pros 2008. That one is sure to be amazing. Hopefully We Love Golf from Camelot will be great, and that is coming up soon as well.
While I agree that MLB Power Pros is the best baseball series EVER created, it's not what D_Average was talking about. Wii Sports is the only game that utilizes proper motion control for a baseball game (the swing and pitch mechanics), and no other baseball game on Wii has even come close to this. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 looks to be the closest to 1-to-1 motion controls thus far. I'm expecting serious improvements in this year's version. So improved, that I might actually buy it. :P
Basketball could be really fun, but EA just is never going to get it right. It's going to take an incredible inventive dev to pull off a proper motion-controlled basketball game. Who knows, E3 might show us the light. Time to take this console serious now devs. Nintendo's the leader now.
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Post by: D_Average on July 02, 2008, 01:04:47 PM
Two years later, I'm still waiting for somebody to make a decent golf, baseball, and basketball game.
MLB Power Pros makes for a great Baseball game. The second one is coming up in about a month I believe, MLB Power Pros 2008. That one is sure to be amazing. Hopefully We Love Golf from Camelot will be great, and that is coming up soon as well.
While I agree that MLB Power Pros is the best baseball series EVER created, it's not what D_Average was talking about.
Exactly!
IGN actually confirmed on their last podcast, MLB Power Pros 08 will NOT use motion controls in the regular gameplay (WTF!?). Additionally, Nintendo's own, Super Sluggers, does not use full motion for pitching and batting. Instead, you have to have to watch some power meter on the screen, just like the gamecube version.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 02, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
Nintendo loves to throw out how successful they are. So I totally expect numbers to support that Wii Ware is a success followed by announcement of games we already know for Wii Ware, and a surprise Wii Ware announcement.
I could see Nintendo releasing Super Mario All Stars as a Wii Ware Title instead of Virtual Console, with new features added. I don't know what new features, but ideas could include: 1)New Levels, 2)Added Power Ups to some of the games 3)Allowing (Mixing) power ups from many of the games into each other were applicable 4)Level Creation.
Though instead of a complete Mario All Stars this could just be a New Super Mario 3 Wii Ware game.
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Post by: EasyCure on July 02, 2008, 02:23:12 PM
Nintendo loves to throw out how successful they are. So I totally expect numbers to support that Wii Ware is a success followed by announcement of games we already know for Wii Ware, and a surprise Wii Ware announcement.
I could see Nintendo releasing Super Mario All Stars as a Wii Ware Title instead of Virtual Console, with new features added. I don't know what new features, but ideas could include: 1)New Levels, 2)Added Power Ups to some of the games 3)Allowing (Mixing) power ups from many of the games into each other were applicable 4)Level Creation.
Though instead of a complete Mario All Stars this could just be a New Super Mario 3 Wii Ware game.
do you mean like having power ups from all games mixed up? Cuz getting a P-wing in SMB1 would be raping the game
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 02, 2008, 02:34:32 PM
Not every power up...but yeah. I do. That is why I could see it just being one game like a Super Mario Bros 3 game that adds new levels and power ups.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on July 02, 2008, 02:42:04 PM
Two years later, I'm still waiting for somebody to make a decent golf, baseball, and basketball game.
MLB Power Pros makes for a great Baseball game. The second one is coming up in about a month I believe, MLB Power Pros 2008. That one is sure to be amazing. Hopefully We Love Golf from Camelot will be great, and that is coming up soon as well.
While I agree that MLB Power Pros is the best baseball series EVER created, it's not what D_Average was talking about.
Exactly!
IGN actually confirmed on their last podcast, MLB Power Pros 08 will NOT use motion controls in the regular gameplay (WTF!?). Additionally, Nintendo's own, Super Sluggers, does not use full motion for pitching and batting. Instead, you have to have to watch some power meter on the screen, just like the gamecube version.
Well though it won't be in the regular gameplay mode, like the last one, there is a mode that takes use of it and it works quite well. I expect this will be returning, actually I'm fairly certain it is returning.
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Post by: EasyCure on July 02, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
I'd rather they do like capcom and make Super Mario Bros 4 (or 5 if you consider SMW as part 4, like mentioned once before).
If not, than a All-Stars wii-make with a level editor would be pretty damn fun actually.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 02, 2008, 03:21:10 PM
Super Mario World = Super Mario Bros 4 Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island = Super Mario Bros. 5 New Super Mario Bros = remake/re-envisioning of Super Mario Bros.
Just my take.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 02, 2008, 03:37:04 PM
Hope they show Mario 128. They've worked on it for so long.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 02, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
But that was the game which began a long trend of Luigi being absent from Mario's adventures. You can't consider it Mario Bros. if it doesn't have Luigi in a equal footing with Mario.
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Post by: Kairon on July 02, 2008, 06:32:08 PM
Wait, what? Luigi was in Super Mario World!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 02, 2008, 06:33:48 PM
he's confusing it with Dr. Mario.
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Post by: D_Average on July 02, 2008, 07:12:03 PM
Speaking of Luigi, maybe they'll announce Luigi's Mansion for the Wii. Using the Wii mote as the vacum.
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Post by: TheFleece on July 03, 2008, 01:42:35 AM
Speaking of Luigi, maybe they'll announce Luigi's Mansion for the Wii. Using the Wii mote as the vacum.
I would be so happy if they did. Some people mentioned this possibility here months ago, but I've heard of no such intention and I wouldn't consider Luigi's Mansion "hardcore" (but for that matter I tear apart all ideas of casual and hardcore) enough for a sequel, but I would jump around for it. Maybe a Wii sequel could be eventually come down the pipes, I wouldn't complain.
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 03, 2008, 02:11:23 AM
A port of a tech demo? Will it ever end?
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Post by: D_Average on July 03, 2008, 08:59:51 AM
One thing I do know for sure, Nintendo will elaborate on the fun new "Pay to Play" program at E3, guaranteed.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 03, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
Was he? Seriously? It's been quite a few years since I last played that game, but I only remember it as a strictly Mario affair (with the help of Yoshi, of course).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 03, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
Speaking of Luigi, maybe they'll announce Luigi's Mansion for the Wii. Using the Wii mote as the vacum.
Yeah, I remember some quote by Miyamoto or someone where they hinted at their eventually being more Wii-makes of old GC games. Luigi's Mansion would work great with the Wii controls, but I doubt I would get that because I beat the GC version not that long ago. I'd really prefer they just made a sequel to it...
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Post by: EasyCure on July 03, 2008, 11:44:16 AM
Was he? Seriously? It's been quite a few years since I last played that game, but I only remember it as a strictly Mario affair (with the help of Yoshi, of course).
yes. I'd start two a two player game and kill off mario just to play as luigi....
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 03, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
Was he? Seriously? It's been quite a few years since I last played that game, but I only remember it as a strictly Mario affair (with the help of Yoshi, of course).
Yep, it wasn't until Super Mario RPG and Mario 64 that Luigi started to be passed up.
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Post by: EasyCure on July 03, 2008, 01:30:22 PM
and Super Mario 64 cemented the fact
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2008, 01:38:41 PM
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island did not have Luigi in it.
Actually, it did, but you were rescuing him not Peach.
Many people don't count that as a true Mario sequel because it changed the game drastically, but I consider it still because it is called Super Mario World 2. Nintendo wanted it considered a sequel in the franchise.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on July 03, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island did not have Luigi in it.
Actually, it did, but you were rescuing him not Peach.
Well you rarely played as Mario anyway, so I don't think it was much of an issue there. In fact, it worked very well for the ending too with how Luigi was used and how it was all played out... I know I had a different impression of who Baby Mario was the first time I played the game until beating it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 04, 2008, 01:18:57 AM
Was he? Seriously? It's been quite a few years since I last played that game, but I only remember it as a strictly Mario affair (with the help of Yoshi, of course).
yes. I'd start two a two player game and kill off mario just to play as luigi....
Okay, I remember it a little better now. So I guess you could rightly count World as a successor in the Bros. lineage, but that was really the last one until New Super Mario Bros. appeared.
BTW, this is slightly offtopic, but does anyone remember if Luigi was present at all in Super Mario Land for the original GB? As I recall, that game was pretty cool and played just as well if not better than the original NES Bros. game, albeit with the spinach graphics. But I can't remember if Luigi was in it or if it was a multiplayer game. Because maybe this was the first game where Mario and Luigi started to split apart from one another.
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 04, 2008, 02:13:53 AM
He wasnt in mario land but somehow had time to show up for multiplayer Tetris--a nongame
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 05, 2008, 12:42:10 AM
Hmm what would I like to see...a storage solution, some Rpg coverage of TOS:DotNW and Fragile.A side scrolling DK game. Some info on COD:World at War,Samba De Amigo,De Blob,F-Zero Wii and Crono Trigger DS. Just to let everybody know Nintendo's Press Conference is at 9:30 on July 15th.
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Post by: IceCold on July 05, 2008, 05:14:08 AM
I want to know what Tokyo EAD is working on.
Oh, and F-Zero. I need that.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 08, 2008, 08:23:38 PM
Does anybody subscribe to the Official Nintendo Magazine? I think that is an European Magazine. In it they say that Animal Crossing is going to be announced at E3.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 08, 2008, 09:04:09 PM
Though that one is a given, yeah? :cool;
I'm really, REALLY excited about it, and my hype will undoubtedly be squashed, but the hype must still live on!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 08, 2008, 09:11:26 PM
Bill do you think they should have DLC? What about Online?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 08, 2008, 09:16:29 PM
Online is a given considering they even SHOW Animal Crossing-related stuff in the Wii instruction booklet...
DLC? I think it's likely, though I do think Ninty would show off a storage solution first...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 08, 2008, 09:28:05 PM
Online is a given considering they even SHOW Animal Crossing-related stuff in the Wii instruction booklet...
DLC? I think it's likely, though I do think Ninty would show off a storage solution first...
Hmm I need to check the instruction booklet for that. Yes that is a given for DLC. What do you think Nintendo will provide as a storage solution? Sd cards, a hard driver, or both?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 08, 2008, 09:32:07 PM
I personally think the most effective form of storage would be to allow the Wii to read directly off an SD card, but I'm not all that technologically knowledgeable to know if the Wii is capable of doing that...(It should be...)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 08, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
I would like it if Nintendo allowed for USB Storage drives...those Key Chain things for Storage, and to upgrade the SD Card drivers to read faster, and to allow for reading directly off of SD cards.
This would be the cheapest and easiest solution for Nintendo. It would be a very nice upgrade...and would instantly have me excited. From there I would hope Nintendo would release some information about downloadable content.
I expect that Animal Crossing could be the first Pay to Play game using that New Nintendo system...and I imagine it will allow you to buy additions to your house and such...and mini-games and other features for your Animal Crossing Townie and home.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2008, 02:02:20 AM
The first Pay-to-Play game was FFCCMLaaK
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 09, 2008, 04:42:59 AM
This shows Capcom's E3 show (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=48891)
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Post by: D_Average on July 09, 2008, 09:12:58 AM
I expect that Animal Crossing could be the first Pay to Play game using that New Nintendo system...and I imagine it will allow you to buy additions to your house and such...and mini-games and other features for your Animal Crossing Townie and home.
This is *exactly* what I don't want with DLC. Horse Armor.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 09, 2008, 10:48:44 AM
Below is additional information on Majesco's E3 2008 lineup:
Major Minor's Majestic March Release date: Holiday 2008 Platform: Wii
Designed exclusively for Wii, Major Minor's Majestic March marks the return of the creative team behind the renowned PaRappa the Rapper franchise-legendary game designer and multimedia musician Masaya Matsuura and famed New York artist Rodney Alan Greenblat. This innovative rhythm-based music game turns the Wii RemoteÔ into a "magic" baton that bandleader Major Minor uses to keep tempo, recruit new band members and pick up valuable items. Players can add up to 15 different instruments to their dynamic procession-including brass, woodwinds, and percussion-to alter its composition and resulting performance.
Cooking Mama World Kitchen Release Date: Holiday 2008 Platform: Wii
The best-selling, award-winning cooking franchise returns! In Cooking Mama World Kitchen, Mama brings a lot more to the table, including all new 3D graphics, all new recipes from parfait to shrimp au gratin, comedic kitchen mini-games, new gameplay modes and much more. Cook with Mama and her friends by using the Wii Remote as your universal cooking utensil in this fun, family-friendly sequel to last year's Cooking Mama Cook Off.
Our House Release Date: Q1 2009 Platform: Wii
Our House is the only game that lets players build and remodel their homes into their own unique customized creations. Players use their Wii Remote to hammer, saw, paint, tile and much more as they assemble and decorate their family dwelling. Compete with friends in the four-player "build-off" mode or share creations with others via a WiiConnect24 community-building feature. If you dream it, you can build it!
Zoo Hospital Release Date: September 2008 Platform: Wii
Zoo Hospital is the first game of its kind on Wii that lets players experience a veterinarian's job. Players use the Wii Remote in surgical procedures to eliminate parasitic pests, perform dentistry, and remove foreign bodies like gallstones to restore the health of 48 ailing zoo mammals, reptiles and birds. Soothing and feeding each animal while following up on post surgical patients in their enclosures is as important as precise operations, since happy, healthy animals increase the Zoo Rating which in turn affects the number of visitors patronizing the zoo.
AWAY Shuffle Dungeon Release Date: Fall 2008 Platform: Nintendo DS
Featuring creative contributions from RPG creator Hironobu Sakaguchi, character designer Naoto Oshima and composer Nobuo Uematsu, AWAY Shuffle Dungeon for Nintendo DS is a groundbreaking role playing saga co-developed by Mistwalker and AQ Interactive. Players take control of the young hero "Sword," the sole resident left of the once booming Webb Village, who must rescue as many kidnapped townsfolk as possible from a mysterious unknown that has trapped them within underground dungeons. Saved villagers will lend assistance to Sword's quest, as will the magical ‘Fupongs' and dungeon treasure he finds that lets him shop in the village specialty stores for armor, weapons, health, medical aid and more.
Wonder World Amusement Park Release Date: Holiday 2008 Platform: Nintendo DS
In Wonder World Amusement Park, players experience the thrill of a day at the park anytime and anywhere! Using the Touch Screen, players will toss, drive, shoot, whack, fish and spin in 30 different mini-games scattered throughout six themed zones: Carnival, Spookyville, Prehistoric, Pirate, Fairy Tale and Space. Players can also unlock six interactive rides through gameplay or challenge a friend via local Wi-Fi multiplayer.
Babysitting Mania Release Date: September 2008 Platform: DS
Based on the hit online simulation, Babysitting Mania lets players progress through more than 100 levels of fast-paced, overlapping challenges as they feed, entertain and clean up after unruly kids in 20 chaotic houses. Players use the Touch Screen to manage every aspect of the household with speed and precision, from strategically employing "timeouts" to overseeing bonus birthday party levels that add neighborhood party guests to the mania.
Marker Man Adventures Release Date: November 2008 Platform: DS
Guide loveable stick figure, Marker Man, through hundreds of physics-based puzzles using the stylus as a creative tool to draw simple machines that help him safely bring Doodle Dog home. Players will collect power-ups, discover hidden areas and use logic to progress through a scrolling world of various themes
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 09, 2008, 10:49:33 AM
Square-Enix & Taito E3 lineup
List: Playable: Chrono Trigger(DS) Dragon Quest: The Chapters of the Chosen(DS) Final Fantasy IV(DS) Infinite Undiscovery(Xbox 360) Song Summoner: The Unsung Heroes(iPod)
On the floor/video: The Last Remnant (PS3/360) SONG SUMMONER: The Unsung Heroes (iPod) Chrono Trigger (DS) Dragon Quest: The Chapters of the Chosen(DS) Final Fantasy IV(DS) STAR OCEAN: FIRST DEPARTURE (PSP) STAR OCEAN: SECOND EVOLUTION (PSP) Infinite Undiscovery (360) STAR OCEAN: THE LAST HOPE (360)
From Taito corp: EXIT DS (DS) Legend of Kage 2 (DS)
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Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2008, 01:19:13 PM
I expect that Animal Crossing could be the first Pay to Play game using that New Nintendo system...and I imagine it will allow you to buy additions to your house and such...and mini-games and other features for your Animal Crossing Townie and home.
This is *exactly* what I don't want with DLC. Horse Armor.
But the whole point of Animal Crossing IS Horse armor! &P
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Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
Below is additional information on Majesco's E3 2008 lineup:
Major Minor's Majestic March Our House Zoo Hospital Marker Man Adventures
Thanks Flames_of_Chaos. This has got me excited. Go go Majesco!
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 09, 2008, 02:35:03 PM
Remember that many big titles will be revealed by Nintendo themselves rather than their respected companies.
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Post by: Giusexxy on July 09, 2008, 11:08:37 PM
The cheapest solution to the storage issue isn't to allow the Wii to read or load form an SD card, it's simply a firmware upgrade that allows the Wii to read and load from USB Hard Drive devices. A firmware update is the least evasive and labor intensive solution plus you wouldn't need to buy any cards you could use an old USB HD you probably have lying around from old PC back ups. Storage is cheap, and the capacity is great. Let the Wii communicate with these devices. I think THAT would be the best way.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 09, 2008, 11:14:21 PM
But USB hard drives are very expensive. SD cards are only $20 or less...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 09, 2008, 11:50:29 PM
You can get a 2 GB USB drive (the kind that fits on a keychain) for less than $20. The nice thing about using USB drives is that you can go bigger than 2 GB, the limit of SD cards with the reader the Wii uses. I think the best solution, though, is to release a firmware update that allows both ways.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 10, 2008, 01:03:53 AM
Insanolord: You are correct...and people didn't read what I wrote, because that is exactly what I suggested BOTH...without going the Hard Drive Route. Having the SD Cards be able to be read...if you are worried about Speed, then you can use a USB memory stick thing. I think you can get those as high as 8 Gigs.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 10, 2008, 03:55:23 PM
D3Publisher’s Game Line-Up Includes:
Onechanbara™: Bikini Zombie Slayers™ – Onechanbara is the ultimate evolution in a third-person blood-splattering hack-and-slash videogame. Players take on the role of the beautiful but deadly Aya or her little sister Saki, both of whom will need to put their legendary samurai skills to the test in order to battle legions of zombies terrorizing their city. Every person met and enemy battled gets the sisters closer to understanding who or what is behind the zombie outbreak and putting an end to it. Onechanbara: Bikini Zombie Slayers is anticipated for release in Q1 2009 on Wii.
NARUTO™: Clash of Ninja™ Revolution® 2 – TOMY Corporation and D3Publisher’s highly anticipated NARUTO: Clash of Ninja Revolution 2 offers an all-new original storyline created for the North American audience and features the largest character roster yet for the Clash of Ninja series. The latest iteration of the hit fighting game represents a huge progression from the previous game, including never-before-seen modes, improved visual presentation, and polished gameplay mechanics. The only four-player NARUTO fighting game series available, NARUTO: Clash of Ninja Revolution 2 for the Wii home video game console is anticipated for release this fall 2008.
Puzzle Quest: Galactrix – A rich new addition to the beloved Puzzle Quest universe, Puzzle Quest: Galactrix incorporates a powerful blend of puzzle, strategy and RPG gameplay elements, into an all-new futuristic, science-fiction setting. Offering an innovative new hexagonal puzzle board for a wide range of strategic depth, a rich storyline and fresh gameplay elements, Puzzle Quest: Galactrix is a captivating new adventure to explore and conquer in Q1 2009 on Xbox LIVE® Arcade, Nintendo DS and Windows™ PC.
BEN 10: ALIEN FORCE The Game – Based on Cartoon Network’s hit series, BEN 10: ALIEN FORCE The Game is the only console videogame allowing players to command and experience the adventures of the ALIEN FORCE team. Gamers will help Ben take the DNA-scrambling Omnitrix out of retirement and become the hero as they transform into eight different playable characters—including cousin Gwen, enemy-turned-ally Kevin and five of Ben’s brand new alien forms to utilize their all-new super powers and defeat the intergalactic invaders! BEN 10: ALIEN FORCE The Game is a fast-paced, 3D, action adventure offering an unlimited combo system and engaging puzzles and challenges, coming to Wii, PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system, PSP system and Nintendo DS this fall 2008.
NARUTO™: Path of the Ninja™ 2 – TOMY Corporation and D3Publisher’s NARUTO: Path of the Ninja 2 is the latest in the popular RPG videogame series offering a completely original storyline, expanded character roster featuring 30 playable characters and improvements to the battle system that will give players more options than ever before as they make use of the newly-added Squad Leader and Ninja Tag systems. For those who want to test their mettle against fellow ninja across North America, NARUTO: Path of the Ninja 2 will also provide the opportunity to earn points and special ninja cards as players prove their strength over Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. NARUTO: Path of the Ninja 2 is anticipated for release on Nintendo DS this September 2008.
Bangai-O Spirits™ – Created by revered Japanese developer TREASURE, Bangai-O Spirits is a re-imagination of their hit 90s DreamCast game Bangai-O. The twitch-fest shooter gameplay includes more than 160 levels, punishing supermoves, exclusive content for the Western version, and a sensory overload of fireworks onscreen. Bangai-O Spirits boasts a powerful level editor tool, local wireless multiplayer for up to four players and the pioneering new Sound Load technology. Bangai-O Spirits blasts into retail stores August 12, 2008 exclusively for Nintendo DS.
Shaun the Sheep – The only handheld videogame based on the award-winning TV show from Aardman Animation, Shaun the Sheep allows players to assume the role of the lovable sheep, Shaun, as he tries to find the rest of the flock before the Farmer arrives home. Designed exclusively for the Nintendo DS, Shaun the Sheep will feature the fan-favorite characters, items, and locations from the popular stop-motion animated series on the Disney Channel, as well as original content for all new experiences with Shaun. Shaun the Sheep flocks to retail stores on September 23, 2008.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 10, 2008, 04:21:40 PM
This is Deep silver's lineup (http://Http://worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=53678)
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Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2008, 04:38:53 PM
Thanks Maxi. I can't wait to get Tunguska on the Wii!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 10, 2008, 05:45:36 PM
Thanks Maxi. I can't wait to get Tunguska on the Wii!
Sure thing,I haven't heard about this developer before. What can you tell me about them?
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Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2008, 06:13:43 PM
I haven't heard of them before either, all I know is that Tunguska came out recently on the PC as an adventure title, and that it also got a DS port in Europe. Deep Silver showing up at E3 is giving my hopes of an American release some much needed boosting!
The Wii is saving adventure gaming!!!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 10, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
I went and checked Wikipedia and this (http://Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/deep_silver) is what I found.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 10, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
Here is Tecmo's E3 lineup (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=49991) And here is South peak Interactive's E3 lineup (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=49201)
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 10, 2008, 07:36:34 PM
Spray sounds like an interesting concept, so I hope they give their all on it...(Probably not...:()
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2008, 04:38:27 AM
Tunguska came out recently on the PC as an adventure title [..] The Wii is saving adventure gaming!!!
um....
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2008, 05:15:31 AM
Here is a schedule for all of the press conferences (http://Http://joystiq.com/2008/07/10/the-e3-2008-press-conference-schedule/)
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 11, 2008, 01:03:54 PM
Games being shown under the Marvelous and XSEED Games partnership are:
Avalon Code DS
From the creative minds behind Rune Factory and Harvest Moon with the development studio responsible for the Final Fantasy III and Final Fantasy IV DS remakes comes Avalon Code, an action RPG boasting incredible graphics, a deep and engrossing story, and innovative game play mechanics. Using the main character’s ‘Book of Prophecy’, players can modify the rules of engagement during battle as well as weapon and monster attributes. The player even has control over the story as it changes depending on which gender the player chooses to play as, enhancing the ability to immerse themselves into the story. Avalon Code DS is scheduled for release Q1 2009. The game will be published in Europe by Rising Star Games*, a subsidiary of Marvelous Entertainment.
Rune Factory: Frontier Wii
From the creators of Harvest Moon and Rune Factory for the DS comes the first installment of Rune Factory for a home console. Developed exclusively for Wii, Rune Factory: Frontier features stunning graphics and takes full advantage of the Wii’s unique controls to fully immerse players in the Rune Factory universe. Rune Factory: Frontier incorporates an open-ended structure that allows players to choose the type of game they wish to experience. Whether it’s growing crops, expanding the town, fighting (or befriending) monsters or even falling in love, the experience is unique to each player. Rune Factory: Frontier Wii is scheduled for release Q1 2009. The game will be published in Europe by Rising Star Games*, a subsidiary of Marvelous Entertainment.
LITTLE KING’S STORY Wii
Little King’s Story has an art style that is very ‘story-book’ in look and a magical fairy tale quality that will intrigue and delight gamers. The storyline, visual look, and lyrical music of Little King’s Story, work in concert to transport players to an interactive, enchanting, fairy tale world. By combining gameplay elements from life-simulation, real-time strategy, and adventure genres, the many aspects of creating a vast kingdom come to life! As King, players will manage and involve their townspeople in the goals of creating this new territory; enlisting them to dig for treasure, build new buildings and otherwise better their community. Of course, leadership is a two-way street, so as King, players will try to conquer rival nations to create a single unified kingdom, while also granting the requests of townspeople at whim. The game transforms the Wii Remote™ to a royal scepter and offers players the chance to be the best king in the world! Little King’s Story Wii is scheduled for release Winter 2008. The game will be published in Europe by Rising Star Games*, a subsidiary of Marvelous Entertainment.
VALHALLA KNIGHTS 2 PSP system
Sequel to the popular Valhalla Knights, Valhalla Knights 2 promises to give fans of the original game a vast and expansive world to explore, and the customization tools to create the ultimate battle party. This action RPG (Role Playing Game) sequel adds new races, job classes, weapons, magic spells, foes, armor and more to the Valhalla Knights universe, all within an engrossing story arc. Controlling and choosing character aspects such as skills, race and appearance, players engage in real-time 6 on 6 battles, reliant on tactical combat strategies to achieve success. Supporting 2 player ad hoc network play, gamers can engage in Co-op and Versus modes with friends, or simply trade items and weapons. Valhalla Knights 2 PSP system is scheduled for release Fall 2008.
Separately, XSEED Games will unveil the company’s first official support of the Nintendo DS with three titles:
Populous™ DS
Based on the original Populous PC classic from Electronic Arts, Populous DS brings a re-imagination of the classic game, which pioneered the God simulation genre. Featuring touch-screen controls that utilize the dual-screens, players manipulate 5 elementally-imbued gods, each with their own unique miracles, within an extensive single-player campaign. Within the multiplayer wireless mode, up to 4 players can unleash earthquakes, tidal waves and raging volcanoes onto rival players’ lands. Populous DS is scheduled for release Fall 2008. The game will be published in Europe by Rising Star Games*, a subsidiary of Marvelous Entertainment.
KORG DS-10
Designed after the famous KORG MS-10 music synthesizer, KORG DS-10 is a music-creation program for professional and aspiring musicians alike. The sound sources in the KORG DS-10 come from KORG, one of the world’s top musical instrument producers, and no effort was spared in the replication of creating high-quality sounds. The Nintendo DS’s touch-screen controls are utilized to the fullest to provide an authentic feel and operability across a dual-screen layout that is unsurpassed in portable music creation. A 6-track/16-step sequencer enables precise control and provides a wide range of musical possibilities, and up to eight DS units can be linked via wireless connection to play together or to exchange sounds and songs. KORG DS-10 is scheduled for release Fall 2008.
Retro Game Challenge
An original game based on the popular Japanese GAME CENTER CX TV series, Retro Game Challenge reinvents how classic games are played. Featuring a story-driven progression, players complete short challenges in a wide-variety of fictional retro-games. Specific challenges in shooting, racing, action and even an epic role-playing game are integrated into the story, while the in-game magazines offer cheat codes as well as fake 80’s news stories paying tribute to the rich history of the gaming industry. Released to raving reviews as Game Center CX: Arino’s Challenge in Japan, the game received a Gold Award from Famitsu with a 33/40 review score. Retro Game Challenge is scheduled for release Winter 2008.
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Post by: Kairon on July 11, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
Ooh, so they'll be showing Rune Factory Frontier will they? Sweet. 2009 huh?
Tunguska came out recently on the PC as an adventure title [..] The Wii is saving adventure gaming!!!
um....
hehe... yeah... well, the Wii is at least providing another market to increase the resurgence the genre has seen in the past years. I almost think that the return of point-and-click adventure titles is paralleled with the rise of casual gaming somewhat. Which is odd, because point-and-click adventures are so oldschool.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2008, 04:45:12 PM
Quote
Of course, leadership is a two-way street, so as King, players will try to conquer rival nations to create a single unified kingdom
*king walks up to the balcony above the assembled people* WOLLT IHR DEN TOTALEN KRIEG???
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Post by: D_Average on July 11, 2008, 09:05:41 PM
All right, I've thought about it all year, and here are my final Nintendo E3 2008 predictions (3rd parties excluded).
What We'll Definitely See: Pikmin Wii Animal Crossing Wii (With a botched online system) Wii Punch Out (Balance Board support) Wii Music A glimpse of Wii Zelda An announcement for a new handheld way down the road And a new IP completely out of Left Field (as in the metaphor, not the publisher who busted Nitrobike)
What We Won't See: A Mario Galaxy Sequel A New Super Mario Bros Sequel A New Metriod Giant Enemy Crabs
And As Far As Hardware: A storage solution via hardrive rather than SD card Voice Chat that transfer your voice to the voice of a robot to ensure privacy
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 11, 2008, 11:26:15 PM
All right, I've thought about it all year, and here are my final Nintendo E3 2008 predictions (3rd parties excluded).
What We'll Definitely See: Pikmin Wii Animal Crossing Wii (With a botched online system) Wii Punch Out (Balance Board support) Wii Music A glimpse of Wii Zelda An announcement for a new handheld way down the road And a new IP completely out of Left Field (as in the metaphor, not the publisher who busted Nitrobike)
What We Won't See: A Mario Galaxy Sequel A New Super Mario Bros Sequel A New Metriod Giant Enemy Crabs
And As Far As Hardware: A storage solution via hardrive rather than SD card Voice Chat that transfer your voice to the voice of a robot to ensure privacy
As long as the Animal Crossing Wii online system isn't worse than Wild World's, and I don't think it will be, I wouldn't conisder it botched.
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Post by: D_Average on July 12, 2008, 01:33:08 PM
All right, I've thought about it all year, and here are my final Nintendo E3 2008 predictions (3rd parties excluded).
What We'll Definitely See: Pikmin Wii Animal Crossing Wii (With a botched online system) Wii Punch Out (Balance Board support) Wii Music A glimpse of Wii Zelda An announcement for a new handheld way down the road And a new IP completely out of Left Field (as in the metaphor, not the publisher who busted Nitrobike)
What We Won't See: A Mario Galaxy Sequel A New Super Mario Bros Sequel A New Metriod Giant Enemy Crabs
And As Far As Hardware: A storage solution via hardrive rather than SD card Voice Chat that transfers your voice to the voice of a robot to ensure privacy
Update - Forgot two things! We'll also see:
Donkey Kong Country for the DS A WiiWare game from Nintendo along the lines of Wii Sports
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Post by: Adrock on July 12, 2008, 03:28:11 PM
I thought they already released DKC on GBA. We don't need another port but this is Nintendo so I wouldn't put it past them since it was also ported to GBC. I guesss they're just continuing the tradition of porting DKC onto successive Nintendo portables.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 12, 2008, 04:07:35 PM
I assumed he meant a new one, a new traditional 2D DK platformer. Nintendo has never done such a thing themselves, it would be interesting to see what differences there would be between Rare's take on things and Nintendo's.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
Don't DK KoS and DK JC answer that already?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 12, 2008, 05:13:26 PM
I meant a more traditional 2D platformer, I absolutely love those games but they're by no means traditional.
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Post by: D_Average on July 12, 2008, 05:52:19 PM
Correct, my guess is a NEW DKC for DS. Just a hunch, I know there isn't much to back it up though.
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Post by: stevey on July 12, 2008, 09:09:46 PM
Since everyone knows a new Zelda game is coming, it by itself wont shock anyone and Nintendo would have shown it by now unless it was truly shocking and it will make everyone say WTF this year at E3. It will be completely different from any Zelda or any game that has ever made before it! Although that may or may not be a good thing...
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 12, 2008, 09:49:02 PM
Hopefully there won't be any more appearances by Jamie Kennedy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=21-VEj-88gI)
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Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2008, 09:50:15 PM
I am NOT going to click that.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 12, 2008, 10:26:06 PM
I clicked it and I regret it.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 12, 2008, 10:56:42 PM
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Post by: Spinnzilla on July 12, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
The Conduit, duh, i'm excited to hear how well this thing plays and if it might have loading screens longer than an evolutionary period. And hopefully more details about their online system (settings, voice chat please)
Kid Icarus be a platformer based around some heavy action.
Pikmin 3 with a little more RTS feel to it.
New(not as in the DS game, but a new game) Mario Bros. game for wiiware with new levels as DLC
Bigger SD support with Nintendo issuing their own larger SD cards.
animal crossing wii. durrr.
Some "snow ball chances in hell" one's for fun: Star Fox MMO - sounds weird, but I would love this idea.
Nintendo Rock Hero
Nintendo to release a patch or something via wiiware to fix brawl's online.
Reggie not giving an awesome speech.
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Post by: stevey on July 12, 2008, 11:48:10 PM
Sony's E3 06 PC was awesome and hilarious, Jamie Kennedy had no replay value and was an embarrassment for everyone involved...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 13, 2008, 12:08:20 AM
Yea it was I was gonna type that but for some weird reason I didn't.E3 2006 was probably my favorite E3 for all party's involved. I say Nintendo it was the one with Miyamoto with Link's sword. I think that was 2004. What was everybodys favorite E3?
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Post by: D_Average on July 13, 2008, 01:18:41 AM
I meant that was the most disastrous. As far as my favorite, the one in the mid 90's where Mario 64 was revealed.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
2004 by a long shot. The introduction of Reggie, the unveiling of the DS, the surprise Twilight Princess Trailer and Miyamoto coming onstage waving the Master Sword and shield, how could any other show even come close to that?
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 13, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
2004 by a long shot. The introduction of Reggie, the unveiling of the DS, the surprise Twilight Princess Trailer and Miyamoto coming onstage waving the Master Sword and shield, how could any other show even come close to that?
E3 1995 was priceless to a lot of people when Sega announced that the Saturn was being released at 399.99 on the following day of the announcement which ticked off a lot of publishers and retailers. Then Sony just said Playstation 299.99 and completely killed all of Sega's thunder.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 13, 2008, 02:47:43 PM
2004 by a long shot. The introduction of Reggie, the unveiling of the DS, the surprise Twilight Princess Trailer and Miyamoto coming onstage waving the Master Sword and shield, how could any other show even come close to that?
E3 1995 was priceless to a lot of people when Sega announced that the Saturn was being released at 399.99 on the following day of the announcement which ticked off a lot of publishers and retailers. Then Sony just said Playstation 299.99 and completely killed all of Sega's thunder.
Yeah that was the begining of the end.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 13, 2008, 04:25:02 PM
..and the beginning of animecyberrat's anti playstation mantra.
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Post by: Spinnzilla on July 13, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
Since so many cross overs are popping up...
MARIOKART VS. GRAN TURISMO should be annouced this year.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 13, 2008, 05:03:11 PM
And Mario Kart will beat Gran Turismo with a Bullet Bill,Giant Mushroom,Star and Blue Shell.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 13, 2008, 06:36:15 PM
MARIOKART VS. RRRRRIDDGGGGEEEE RACER should be annouced this year.
Fixed
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Post by: Spinnzilla on July 14, 2008, 12:21:57 AM
I hope, just hope, that maybe the HVS will annouce a publisher for The Conduit. If it happens to be nintendo (which would be a double edge sword situation IMO), I bet they may just get some coverage in their conference.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 14, 2008, 02:10:54 AM
various 3rd party developers/ publishers E3 lineup (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=49460) Capcom, D3, 2k games,EA,Majesco,Marvelous, X-seed,Midway, South Peak,Square-enix and Tecmo. Just a recap of major 3rd party offerings at E3.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 14, 2008, 02:15:35 AM
All these companies giving lineups ahead of time, are the console manufacturers the only ones with surprises left?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 14, 2008, 02:27:15 AM
It appears that way, but you never know there could be some surprises.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2008, 03:14:25 AM
Since everyone knows a new Zelda game is coming, it by itself wont shock anyone and Nintendo would have shown it by now unless it was truly shocking and it will make everyone say WTF this year at E3. It will be completely different from any Zelda or any game that has ever made before it! Although that may or may not be a good thing...
Zelda FPS. Mark my words.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 15, 2008, 01:17:03 PM
nothing buy animal rossing, that only looks better by a microphone, and wii brand games!
I was totally bored with Wii, now i have nothing much to look forward too
i played a new animal crossing game, it was called Animal crossing wild world, but normally games improve over the original by leaps not increments. The microphone seems like it will make the game a little better, but the core of the game will still be the same. I already designed my bomb ass house on the original, now though theres not as much appeal to doing it. Its like having a job, quitting it, and then a couple years later going back to work at the same place, only now you have to work your way up again.
The 1:1 games on wii sports resort looked good, but really I didn't see any meaty games that appeal to me. I was shifting my sights towards the film industry because I pretty much felt Nintendo could take care of itself, but now i might shift them back to the gaming industry because they may be popular, but have lost their way. They should have at least shown off ONE hardcore game or more Wii ware or something of substance. I'll just have to see what Sony is going to do this year since i do have a playstation 3, but i have to say i'm a Nintendo fan deep at heart, and I want some great games on my company's system.
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Post by: Strell on July 15, 2008, 01:21:47 PM
Even I can't get excited about Wii music.
This whole gen is disappointing.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on July 15, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
That conference was fucking terrible.
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Post by: Caterkiller on July 15, 2008, 01:26:23 PM
Im still holding out for a surprise, Smash Bros Brawl style later on. Other wise I mean holy smokes, what else do we get for the rest of the year?!
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Post by: Spinnzilla on July 15, 2008, 01:57:14 PM
The voice chat Wii Speak is exciting. Atleast we finally have voice chat....
Animal Crossing is going to be sh*t though.
Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort look fun, but I still my "core" games! And what about the storage solution?
Ugh, I just hope they some private screenings that might show their core games, if any. Like they did brawl last year.
Atleast we have The Conduit...
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2008, 01:59:38 PM
What is with the Animal Crossing hate? Yeah the conference was bad but how can you hate AC?
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
Wii Sports Resort does look more complex than regular Wii Sports, at least in the sword fighting and jet ski games.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 02:09:46 PM
You know when a band that's been around a long time releases a new album and it's like wimpy adult comtemporary stuff? And you think to yourself "man this band used to rock so much but this is so lame". Then you realize that that band is all over 40. They're old and they like old person music so they now make old person music.
When I took at Miyamoto being all excited about Wii Music that's what I think of. Ten years ago at E3 1998 Miyamoto would have been showing off Ocarina of Time, which at the time was the most ambitious and epic game ever made. In comparison Wii Music isn't even a game. I wonder how someone who created the greatest games of all time would be excited about something like that. But then I remember Miyamoto is now old and he's making games for old people. I'm not old. I'm not even 30 yet so it's not that surprising that a man about the same age as my Mom is making something I have no interest in. He's gone soft rock.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2008, 02:28:41 PM
Yeah, he made Ocarina of Time and Nintendo stopped being #1 in the videogame market. Now he's making Wii Music and Nintendo is #1 again. Epic games need a story and Miyamoto doesn't do those. Epic games work better with great graphics and the Wii doesn't do those. In fact, epic games are the strength of MS and Sony, Nintendo won by making epic games irrelevant because most people don't want to take part in an epic. They want something they can start and kick ass in and by giving them that Nintendo won as noone else was giving the market what the market wanted.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
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Yeah, he made Ocarina of Time and Nintendo stopped being #1 in the videogame market. Now he's making Wii Music and Nintendo is #1 again. Epic games need a story and Miyamoto doesn't do those. Epic games work better with great graphics and the Wii doesn't do those. In fact, epic games are the strength of MS and Sony, Nintendo won by making epic games irrelevant because most people don't want to take part in an epic. They want something they can start and kick ass in and by giving them that Nintendo won as noone else was giving the market what the market wanted.
And Celine Dion sells records and American Idol gets great ratings but that doesn't matter to me. You use this arguement to defend sh!tty music, movies and TV shows as well?
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Post by: kraken613 on July 15, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
I dont know if anyone saw but WiiSpeak is going to be sold separate for $30......... I hope they have a chat channel or something so you can use it not in an actual game.........
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Post by: Mario on July 15, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
He's stating that it's not just Miyamoto changing, but the entire market. Whether you like it or not.
And he's still working on a new Mario and Zelda at the same time.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2008, 02:40:12 PM
And Celine Dion sells records and American Idol gets great ratings but that doesn't matter to me. You use this arguement to defend sh!tty music, movies and TV shows as well?
Epic games were the cancer that was killing Nintendo, would you rather have the company out of business?
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 03:00:57 PM
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He's stating that it's not just Miyamoto changing, but the entire market. Whether you like it or not.
The market didn't change, it expanded. Core gamers play Guitar Hero and try to beat songs at the higher difficulties. They are not interested in Wii Music and it's "no skill required" whatever. You think the old 13-25 male demographic flips for Wii Fit?
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Epic games were the cancer that was killing Nintendo, would you rather have the company out of business?
That's total bullsh!t. Nintendo was getting killed by their own ineptitude. Making good games and hardware that didn't break was the only thing they knew how to do right. The cancer was a company that no longer knew how to market to the gamer demographic so they sold out.
And I don't care if the company went out of busines or not. The REAL Nintendo died when Iwata took over anyway. In theory they could always have lived on as a third party since making good games was always what they were good at.
But really the only point I was making was that Miyamoto has gone soft. I don't care why, that's just what has happened.
WiiSpeak sold seperately? The great "Nintendo designed the Wii entirely to sell accessories" conspiracy lives on.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
So how DO you market to the gamer demographic? And how do you do it without MS or Sony simply one-upping you?
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 03:31:24 PM
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So how DO you market to the gamer demographic? And how do you do it without MS or Sony simply one-upping you?
I at least stop doing things stupidly for no reason. No more "Nintendo does it a weird dumb way just because". Nintendo always showed up for the race with their shoelaces tied together so it didn't matter that they were actually fastest runner. I would make a true effort, which I feel they didn't do with the Cube. I would try to start on equal footing and hope that since I made the best games I would be able to start reclaiming lost market share. Considering how much of a disaster the PS3 is that probably would have worked out quite well. By just not shooting themselves in the foot Nintendo would probably have been number two overall by default and number one in Japan.
I always felt Nintendo was their own greatest enemy. Sony didn't win, Nintendo just lost. They always beat themselves by making really stupid "anyone can see the problem from a mile away" decisions.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Glad Ian is such an excellent Business person, if they would have listened to him they wouldn't be selling 20 million units they would be selling 500 BILLION.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 15, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
The fact that Nintendo announced they're bringing the upcoming Rhythm Tengoku on the DS to America, is enough to make me happy with thier E3 showing.
Plus just because they didn't show off certion games doesn't mean they aren't coming. They never showed Wario Land Shake and they don't even have a demo of it on the floor, yet that game is about to be released in Japan in a week.
Since Nintendo's new strategy involves announcing games 2-3 months before they're released like they did with Wario Land and Fatal Frame, we'll find out about the rest of their fall games sometime in September or October.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
The REAL Nintendo died when Iwata took over anyway. In theory they could always have lived on as a third party since making good games was always what they were good at.
I think you're wrong, and I think it was Iwata who saved the company and turned it around from its downward spiral. Nintendo is now more or less back to the greatness it enjoyed during the NES and SNES years, so now Nintendo more closely resembles itself 20 years ago than itself 10 years ago, and that's a good thing.
Things started to go terribly wrong during and after the N64 era, and I'm not sure why that is, but it may be that Yamauchi was getting old and senile and maybe losing his mind a little bit. The company needed fresh new young leadership, and they found that in Iwata, and I am pleased with a lot of what he has accomplished for the company. Nintendo still makes just as many "hardcore" games as they always did, which shouldn't even have to be pointed out, because Mario, Zelda, Metroid, et cetera are all to be found on the Wii, so they haven't gone anywhere. Plus we have the rumors of Icarus and other franchises appearing or re-appearing that will appeal to hardcore gamers.
Yes there are a lot more "non-games" than there was for the GC or N64, but so what? The hardcore games still haven't gone anywhere, and if you don't like the Wii Sports type games then just don't buy them. Nintendo is expanding the market to cater to new markets; they are NOT abandoning their old market. No one says you have to like these games, so if you don't like them don't buy them.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Glad Ian is such an excellent Business person, if they would have listened to him they wouldn't be selling 20 million units they would be selling 500 BILLION.
No kidding. The Wii is already a few million past the total lifetime sales of the Gamecube, which makes the Wii a solid success no matter what else happens, but yet Ian just won't accept that Nintendo could be successful. I think deep down Ian probably secretly longs for the days when Nintendo was in third place, because then his criticisms would at least have some merit to them.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Adrock on July 15, 2008, 06:23:44 PM
Well, alrighty. So how about that "big game for the holiday that the gamers will want?" Was that supposed to be Animal Crossing?
Seems to me, Nintendo announced to 2 peripherals for the Wii, catered to casual gamers again, ignored DS, then called it a day. Color me confused though not necessarily let down, oddly enough. I guess I just don't care. It would be nice if Nintendo kept their mouths closed if they aren't going to show anything they say they will. Is that any different than before? Probably not.
Wii Sports Resort (I get it, that rhymes) is neat-o looking but the games they decided to show were pretty weak. None of them look nearly as engaging or fun as Wii Tennis did 2 years ago. I know there are other under-wraps games. I'm still unimpressed (at Resort), though.
I'm expecting a surprise akin to Brawl showing up at E3 2006, probably Kid Icarus using MotionPlus.
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Post by: Morari on July 15, 2008, 06:45:56 PM
Yes there are a lot more "non-games" than there was for the GC or N64, but so what? The hardcore games still haven't gone anywhere, and if you don't like the Wii Sports type games then just don't buy them.
It's funny, those of us with a long PC gaming background didn't start to see anyone as "casual" until frat boys bought up the PSX in order to drool over yearly releases of Madden. :P
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 07:18:17 PM
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Nintendo still makes just as many "hardcore" games as they always did, which shouldn't even have to be pointed out, because Mario, Zelda, Metroid, et cetera are all to be found on the Wii, so they haven't gone anywhere. Plus we have the rumors of Icarus and other franchises appearing or re-appearing that will appeal to hardcore gamers.
All you mention are franchises. That's all Nintendo ever mentions regarding hardcore gamers. That is a big part of what I don't like about Iwata era Nintendo. To me Nintendo lost it with that "Who are you?" campaign on the Cube. Suddenly the franchises were everything and we were just getting bombared with Mario spin-offs. That's when I starting losing interest in the Cube and that happened fairly shortly after Iwata took over. Yamauchi era was not about franchises; it was about creativity, innovation and high quality games. This is the Nintendo that I became a fan off. The franchises started off as one shot games that were so good that eventually they created their own series of games.
But Mario the character does not define Nintendo. Games like Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 64 define Nintendo. These are games that changed videogaming. They all coincidently starred Mario but where not the important games they were because of him. Iwata era Nintendo changed that. It was under his watch that we saw Metroid and Zelda being spinned off. We saw Star Fox ruined. We saw Mario starring in really substandard junk like that pinball game. With Iwata it suddenly became all about the franchises.
Until they latched on this non-gamer thing and then suddenly Nintendo was creative again, but only with non-games. It's still just all franchises all the time for the core gamer. They more or less state that that is what they think we want.
So this Nintendo is very different. From a core gamer perspective this is the same "Who are you?" Nintendo that just recycles the same damn stuff. I am tired of Nintendo and anyone else pointing at a big pile of sequels and spin-offs and saying "this is for you". Where is my core gamer focused new IP? This is what I've been waiting for since the Wii was revealed and I still don't see it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 07:19:04 PM
I don't know if you guys realize this or not, but the E3 conference lasts for a few more days, so there's still hope for some surprises.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
With Iwata it suddenly became all about the franchises..
To be fair, this really started during the Yamauchi era. Remember Star Fox adventures? Remember all those Mario sports and spin-off titles? Those began with the N64 and were expanded during the GC era. The Wii is only carrying on this Mario spin-off mania, but it really began about 10 years ago. I'll agree with you we are starting to see this spin-off syndrome creep into other franchises like Zelda and Metroid, but it's not like Iwata started the concept.
As far as new franchises go, it is becoming obvious Nintendo is planning to revive their Icarus series, and that franchise has been abandoned for so long that it pretty much counts as new at this point. I think we're probably going to be seeing more quality stuff from third parties as well, especially with those new peripherals that Nintendo announced. The Wii has given us Red Steel and No More Heroes, which are entirely new and hardcore, albeit a bit short and rushed. But just think about what sequels to these games would be like with the benefit of motion plus and a little more time to get things polished.
Maybe you're right that Nintendo is slacking on new hardcore franchises, but the Wii platform also has potential for third party material, and things look very promising because finally we have a Nintendo console which can't really be ignored by developers. Granted, a lot of that is also casual crap, but what about those games I mentioned, plus the ones that have been recently announced such as Conduit? There's a lot of potential, and for once we don't have to rely 100% on Nintendo to pull through for us.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
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The Wii has given us Red Steel and No More Heroes, which are entirely new and hardcore, albeit a bit short and rushed. But just think about what sequels to these games would be like with the benefit of motion plus and a little more time to get things polished.
Well I'm not talking about third party games. I'm talking about the game Nintendo releases themselves.
And Red Steel? Come on. That's not the game to use as an example. Only the most die-hard Wii apologists have anyone positive to say about it.
Difference between Yamauchi Nintendo and Iwata Nintendo? Yamauchi Nintendo makes Mario Tennis and Mario Golf. Iwata era makes sequels to those games and then introduces more Mario sports games and introduces sequels to those. With Yamauchi it looked like a Mario sports series with each game being a different sport. So every sequel has a purpose and is fresh. But with Iwata each sport is its own series and gets tiring real quick. Subtle stuff like that makes a huge difference. Mario RPG is the same way. Under Yamauchi there were two Mario RPGs created by different teams that were vastly different. Under Iwata Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi are seperate series. Spin-offs of spin-offs? Now that's rehasing.
Though I'll blame Yamauchi for Mario Party. :)
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Post by: Mikintosh on July 15, 2008, 08:11:08 PM
Ah, and the rose-colored glasses come on. Nintendo began franchising out Mario as early as the SNES era, the last major franchise created besides Pikmin was Pokemon in 1995, and it was the Yamauchi regime (actually the man himself) that shot Nintendo in the foot by screwing over Sony about the Playstation and setting up their biggest competition to steal everything away from them for the next decade until he was forced into retirement. Since then, Nintendo's moved to number 1, has two great consoles out, and awesome games for almost every franchise available for both of them (screw it, I liked Star Fox Assault & Command).
Your Mario RPG example is idiotic. The second Mario RPG was totally different because Square wasn't working with Nintendo in the late 90s, not because of executive genius (though it showed how talented Intelligent Systems was), and the fact that the games got sequels doesn't mean the predecessors were being diluted; they were just telling more stories in the same style. Would you want Sonic the Hedgehog to have stopped at the first one lest Sega "rehash" their previous success?
And about franchise themselves...look, the games are fun. The industry is supposed to be about fun, and if all of Nintendo's games are well-made and try new things with each installment, what's the problem? At least they're not like the rest of the industry, which produces about 1 good game out of every 15, and even those usually lack much personality. "Core gamers" can bite me.
The presentation sucked because all I expected of them was to announce a new Zelda game, and they didn't even do that. What's the point of even doing these things if you're just going to let down your customers?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Hiroshi Yamauchi is probably the Howard Hughes of the video game industry. He did some excellent stuff in his younger days, but as he got older he started putting out stuff like Star Fox Adventures and the like, and that's why he had to be forced into retirement.
Iwata may not be the greatest mind as far as the software is concerned, but look at what he did with the hardware for the DS and the Wii. Hardware wise, that man is a genius, and those two devices are the main reason for Nintendo's rapid turn around since 2006 or so.
As for software, at least Miyamoto is still on board. He may not be as great as he was in his younger days, so he might be a little like Yamauchi and his mind is deteriorating with age, but he did give us Pikmin quite recently and he still has good ideas. It probably is time for younger leaders to step up and start offering some ideas, though.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 15, 2008, 09:31:46 PM
LOL don't call the last two generations Nintendo's "downward spiral." They rocked hard, just not this hard.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2008, 09:36:54 PM
I don't think it is fair to say Miyamoto has lost it. It is just that he is overseeing so much now and doesn't focus nearly as much on a single game as he once did.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2008, 09:53:02 PM
I don't think it is fair to say Miyamoto has lost it. It is just that he is overseeing so much now and doesn't focus nearly as much on a single game as he once did.
True. I think he no longer has the creative freedom he used to have. Nintendo thinks highly of him, and they promoted him, but his new high up position just doesn't let him have the detailed control he did before. And as you said, he is overseeing a lot of projects at once, and that's got him stretched as thinly as paper mario.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 15, 2008, 10:14:31 PM
Miyamoto has to have less creative freedom, he has to have the time to oversee the younger developers and make sure that they're talented enough that Nintendo's development won't completely collapse when he retires. The fact that it's necessary doesn't make hurt less that we're never going to get a real Miyamoto game again.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 15, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 16, 2008, 02:16:06 AM
Ian definitely qualifies as hardcore parody now: "You must pander to me even if that hurts or destroys the company!"
You know why Nintendo is making sequels? 1. You people DEMAND them! Any discussion about what Nintendo will reveal is ALWAYS full of peoplöe demanding sequels, hell, they demand sequels to games as old as Kid Icarus where a sequel would have nothing in common with the original game except the name anyway! 2. Epic games cost money. Big money. The kind that cannot be risked on something that's not a guaranteed seller.
And you know why Nintendo doesn't care about the hardcore? Let's provide a list of demands: Hardcore: We want epic, cinematic games using risky IP policies to the exclusion of any casual games! You must pander to us even if that means running the company into the ground! Rest: Just give us something that's fun, even if it was made by a tiny team in no time and has graphics that look dated.
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Post by: Deguello on July 16, 2008, 02:21:21 AM
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True. I think he no longer has the creative freedom he used to have.
I disagree. No other company would let their top talent work on a risky endeavor such as Wii Fit and Wii Sports.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 16, 2008, 02:51:26 AM
Didn't Nintendo try to cater to the hardcore audience in the final years of the Gamecube's life, but didn't the gamers reject their offerings? I recall there was a very strong anti-Nintendo bias back then, and even M rated games like Geist couldn't shake that bias.
So you can't say Nintendo didn't try, and the fact these games failed to sell shows there is a problem with the market and not with the company.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 16, 2008, 02:58:31 AM
That's because the hardcore you hear complaining on the internet is mostly divided into fanboy camps that will flame anything that's not on their console. I don't think that was the reason for Nintendo's decline, they were just dying because everything they did someone else did better.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 16, 2008, 03:14:47 AM
True. I think he no longer has the creative freedom he used to have.
I disagree. No other company would let their top talent work on a risky endeavor such as Wii Fit and Wii Sports.
Creative freedom may not be the right way to put it, he could take any concept he could think of and have it made into a game, but his current job wouldn't allow him to direct the game himself.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 16, 2008, 12:42:29 PM
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I recall there was a very strong anti-Nintendo bias back then, and even M rated games like Geist couldn't shake that bias.
See this is the sort of dumb attitude Nintendo has about this sort of thing. They release ONE M-rated title that isn't very good and is made by the f*cking Olsen Twin games developer and it flops. Well DUH! Sorry but the game has to actually be GOOD or it doesn't count as a serious effort to satisfy the fans. You can't feed me burnt food and then accuse me of being impossible to satisfy.
It does however piss me off that a lot of hardcore gamers just ask for sequels but that's because people are idiots and don't know what to ask for. It's hard to ask for a new IP because, well, if we could think of a new one we might as well be the ones making the games. Still even then hardcore gamers ask for new entries to the big franchises like Zelda, Metroid and Mario. They don't however ask for all the spinoffs. No one asks for a Metroid pinball game. But a new REAL Metroid? Sure. We want one at least once a generation. The Wii Zelda is just a port of a Gamecube game so of course we're still asking for a full-on Wii Zelda. But it's kind of silly to interpret this as JUST wanting sequels or that "we want Zelda" means "gives us stupid Zelda spin-offs".
Besides Nintendo should be smart enough to understand the concept of diminishing returns. If a franchise is too saturated it will eventually no longer sell.
A lot of people also ignore that while Nintendo was releasing a lot of sequels on the N64 in many cases these were the first ever sequel to those games. Star Fox 64, Pilotwings 64, F-Zero X, Mario Kart 64 were all the second game in their respective series. So the formula wasn't exactly worn out yet. There was every reason to make a sequel. Plus they forget that Rare was making brand new IPs and as a Nintendo second party that counts. Those were brand new games, published by Nintendo, with a Nintendo level of quality. I think any new IP by Bungie would count as MS making an effort to introduce new IP so back then new IP from Rare would count as Nintendo making an effort.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 16, 2008, 03:31:06 PM
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Besides Nintendo should be smart enough to understand the concept of diminishing returns.
Well, yeah: As the cost of your games increases the sales gain for that cost decreases. Making games more epic or graphics more advanced has diminishing returns. Meanwhile making short, replayable games costs less but still returns a whole lot. And hey, if you do it right it even sells MORE than the epic games!
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Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
I'm not sure fans are asking for epic or are rejecting casual games (well at least the sane fans). I think what's frustrating for Nintendo fans is when Nintendo started pandering their franchises to the casual crowd. That's why sequels like Mario Kart Wii suck. They simplified the game specifically for people who don't know better or care. And sequels like Twilight Princess are almost parodies of what fans have been asking for. It's dark... so f*cking dark and mature... there's death and fire and cleavage... but the game is easy as hell, derivative and so long that it's boring.
Truth is, you can make an engaging game that's fun, beautiful, and original without spending millions upon millions of dollars. Does Zelda need 15 minute FMV cutscenes that take months to produce? No. Nintendo (or anyone), if they really wanted to, could easily create a deep storyline without delving into melodrama (nearly any scene involving Zelda in Twilight Princess) or insulting the audience's intelligence and they could do this without all the bells and whistles Square-Enix and Konami thinks are needed to tell a good story.
Didn't Nintendo try to cater to the hardcore audience in the final years of the Gamecube's life... ...So you can't say Nintendo didn't try...
Dude, seriously.... That's like playing hard the last minute of a game when you're already down by 40. Nintendo practically did everything they could to make hardcore and mature games fail on Gamecube... you can't chime in at the 11th hour and act like you gave a sh*t.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 16, 2008, 05:57:00 PM
Diminishing Returns? For the most part Nintendo completely understands sequels and diminishing return.
Characters don't have diminishing return by the way. A good character will always be funny as long as you do something new with it. The same is true with games. If the IP or franchise introduces new and/or compelling game play then there will be no diminishing return for each franchise.
Using Nintendo's franchises for example:
Super Mario Bros, Super Mario 2, Super Mario 3, World, Yoshi's Island, Mario 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy
None of these games safely take the route of repeating game play without adding anything new. No, each adds unique elements to the Mario game play and refines it and perfects it.
Legend of Zelda, Zelda 2, Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twillight Princess, Four Swords, Phantom Hourglass
All of these games offer unique play experiences, and adds to the formula, or perfects controls, or whatnot. Zelda may not be as radical as Mario's evolutions but it is still there.
Now, lets look at a Nintendo franchise that fails to do that:
Mario Party 1-8
Although these games are all fun, and introduce new elements they just aren't compelling...and it isn't because Mario is hurting the series...it is because there have been 8 games with little change.
If you look at MOST of Nintendo's franchise sequels you will see little diminishing return because Nintendo does sequels right, and focuses on compelling game play and then allows the gamers to enjoy the characters they already love.
Star Fox, Wario Ware Series, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Smash Brothers, The Mario RPGS.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 16, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
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Making games more epic or graphics more advanced has diminishing returns.
Am I asking for games to be MORE epic? Why can't I just ask for games of equal "epicness". Nintendo is going backwards. And "pick up and play" and "nerfed sissy marshmellow bunch of nothing" are different. I "beat" Guitar Hero 3 in two days but it has enough substance to draw me back to play again and again. Wii Sports doesn't, even though I find it a fun game. In less than a week it became a multiplayer only game and my friends stopped wanting to play it once I bought my second Wii game.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2008, 06:08:53 PM
Transforming into a wolf that plays like a gimped version of regular Link hardly qualifies as adding to the formula or offering a unique play experince. Strangely enough, you left out Wind Waker which, despite how annoying it was, added sailing which is far more than TP did for the series. Just my 2 cents though.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 16, 2008, 06:38:14 PM
Adrock: I just forgot Wind Waker. Which was actually my favorite 3D Zelda.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Morari on July 16, 2008, 06:42:08 PM
Legend of Zelda, Zelda 2, Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twillight Princess, Four Swords, Phantom Hourglass
All of these games offer unique play experiences, and adds to the formula, or perfects controls, or whatnot. Zelda may not be as radical as Mario's evolutions but it is still there.
I wish they'd evolve the damn camera system! And how about eliminating the stupid auto jumping/auto climbing crap?
I thought that shifting back and forth between Link and the Wolf was going to play more along the lines of going in and out of the Spectral Realm in Soul Reaver. It did not. :(
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 16, 2008, 06:46:57 PM
autojump is cool
lol zelda fans
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on July 16, 2008, 06:50:19 PM
So I decided to stop by here to hear some reactions to the underwhelming press conference yesterday.
...honestly, I don't see how more people here aren't agreeing with Ian, this being a 'gaming' site. I understand if y'all drank the Nintendo Kool-Aid in the past, especially during the GameCube years, but honestly, I don't understand why people keep making excuses for this company.
The idea that Nintendo doesn't have enough resources to commit to everyone is laughable. They are the only hardware manufacturer making money right now, and serious amounts of it. Making an epic game on Wii should be a MUCH easier sell resources-wise than for other systems because people have basically been familiar with the hardware for a generation! Wasn't this one of Nintendo's main pitches for not putting gobs of expensive, overheated hardware in the Wii? I don't think it's too much to ask for Nintendo to try to appeal to everyone. Didn't Sony achieve this with the PlayStation and the PS2? If they're going to take the #1 mantle, they should be able to do that, plain and simple. They have the money, and what's more, they could further marginalize Microsoft and Sony by at least deigning to compete on their turfs. There is no reason why Nintendo cannot fund and promote a BioShock-style experience. And it's not like the games won't sell, guys...
FULL DISCLOSURE: I own 333.000 shares of NTDOY, and am looking forward to my $1.21/share dividend next week. So by definition, I actually have more of a stake in Nintendo's monetary success than most of the people here who drank the Kool-Aid and speak so often about Nintendo having to stay afloat when they're so well ahead of the game they could afford to take some 'risks'. (Really non-risks since these are the sorts of games that have traditionally sold well anyway.)
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2008, 07:06:14 PM
Yeah, I don't know where that Nintendo needs to stay afloat nonsense came from. Nintendo was profitable before they started making games like Wii Sports. They never spent that much on game development, comparitively to other companies expensive games. Titles like Sports and Play simply cost even less than Zelda or Mario does.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on July 16, 2008, 07:21:09 PM
...true those games themselves do not cost very much. However, it seems like they are what is driving Nintendo's investment in more immersive hardware to begin with. That Nintendo isn't following up it hardware investment with more games (not non-games) to showcase the hardware is telling. Why isn't Nintendo making "Shawn White Snowboarding"?
...Honestly though, I've basically come to terms with Nintendo mostly ignoring the old-style gaming it championed in the N64 years and earlier. That's why I'm happy my bros got a 360 last year, so I'm not totally out in the cold. I'm holding out for the $299 PS3 to round out the deal.
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Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Stogi on July 16, 2008, 07:54:57 PM
Now you guys are back to complaining about GC and TP?
No wonder Nintendo doesn't give two shits about you.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 16, 2008, 08:02:38 PM
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it's too much to ask for Nintendo to try to appeal to everyone.
Nintendo honestly thinks they are. For years they assumed that making famliy friendly games was appealing to everyone because everyone COULD like those games. They've just taken this a step further now that non-gamers are part of it. Nintendo thinks making games for everyone means making all games suitable for everyone. Sony's plan which worked really well was to offer a library of such varied selection that everyone could find something they liked. The games by themselves only target a certain audience but all audiences have stuff to choose from. That is a true "everyone" console.
Nintendo never got that and still doesn't though they're getting away with it right now. They thought making a game that wasn't bright rainbows and sunshine would only appeal to adults and teens and thus would not be suitable for everyone and would alienate families. Now they're afraid to make a game without simple game mechanics so as to not alienate non-gamers. Nintendo tries to please five different people with ten products they think all five could like. Sony would try to please those five different people with two products for each person specifically tailored to their needs and wants. That's why the Playstation 2 was a big deal and the Gamecube was a joke.
The PS3 is however a joke now because Sony lost sight of a true everyone console concept and copied Microsoft's "for tech savy 18-25 males only" approach. Someone makes a true everyone console and they'll kick all three of their asses. Variety is the key to success in the console wars.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Deguello on July 16, 2008, 09:38:25 PM
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Now, lets look at a Nintendo franchise that fails to do that:
Mario Party 1-8
Wrong Spak. Both Mario Party 8 and Mario Party DS are the best selling entries in the series, ever. You can talk about critical review, but that's meaningless, basically.
And Ugh IAN Rampage. It's really not worth trying to talk to him. He'll keep saying that Iwata ruined Nintendo and the DS is the worst handheld ever and other such hot stupidity.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: ShyGuy on July 16, 2008, 10:59:48 PM
Yeah, a true everyone console like the Super Nintendo!
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Sarail on July 16, 2008, 11:14:35 PM
I wish the SuperNES was still the IT console. :(
I miss those days.
Title: Re: E3: 2008 Is about 3 weeks away what Wii news are you expecting and hoping for?
Post by: Morari on July 16, 2008, 11:43:23 PM
