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Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 03, 2003, 07:53:24 PM
I am personally inclined to say this is total BS, but I thought I would run it by here first.

http://gamers.com/news/1347106

Apparently, Capcom is reducing support for GameCube.  Given that this is the only place reporting this, I might disagree, especially since 2 more Capcom games have recently been rumored at IGN.

EDIT:  It's up on IGN now too.  This really sucks, although I think that it should be mentioned that Capcom themselves have not commented on it yet, and it's likely they will change their minds when sales skyrocket with the new Final Fantasy.
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Wrx_Boi on April 03, 2003, 08:09:58 PM
I read about it on the magic box so it seems to be legit. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Duriez on April 03, 2003, 08:25:58 PM
I'd hate to see Capcom lower support for the GCN.  I like having Capcom, although once I play all the Capcom 5 games, I'll decide if I care about Capcom support or not.  Don't get me wrong, the REs for GCN were great, but I need something new from Capcom.  P.N. 03 hasn't been getting rave reviews, and if the other Capcom 5 are mediocre games (like P.N. 03 is it seems), I won't really care if Capcom doesn't support the GCN.  I'm pumped about Killer 7 and RE4 though and if those games are as good as I think they will be, then I'll hate to see Capcom support start to fade.  
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on April 03, 2003, 08:50:43 PM
Well, lets just hope sales for Capcoms games boost up!
I don't want to lose Capcom!
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Post by: Gibdo Master on April 03, 2003, 09:59:39 PM
never mind
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 03, 2003, 10:45:40 PM
The main page has news on it now.    I am happy once more.  I was REALLY worried there for a bit.
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Post by: Nephilim on April 04, 2003, 01:28:38 AM
capcom isnt really surporting gc now.... wow res evil series and capcom vs snk2.....nothing exciting
there bring out 10x as many gba games
anyway no point debating if its true or not, this reminds me of the namco hotline rep who said link wasnt in SC2, and people belived him, which happened 6months ago.
dont believe it until its offical
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Post by: dafunkk12 on April 04, 2003, 04:49:09 AM
Capcom wants to be multiplatform.  Shinji Mikami wants to be Nintendo-only (or at least vocally anti-Sony).  If Capcom keeps pressing the situation to the point where Mikami doesn't want to put up with it anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if he asks for a position at Nintendo.  Unfortunately the franchises he's known for won't come with him.  But if his name is big enough to headline games (such as often done in the PC realm and with movie directors), he won't have too much of a problem creating new ones anyway.
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 04, 2003, 05:59:32 AM
This wont be that bad, Nintendo isnt stupid, they want to have 3rd party exclusives. Maybe Capcom is trying to entice Nintendo to pay some more cash for exclusivity.

Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: egman on April 04, 2003, 06:25:41 AM
I think like everyone else, Capcom feels that stay afloat you need to be multiplatform, but I can see this conflicting with what the consoles need.

The developers want/need to port what they can; the console developers are fighting tooth and nail to get exclusives of some kind, even if that exclusive title is a timed one. I'm no genie, but I think the next couple of years we'll see more clashes than alliances. Maybe even more buyouts to cut the other consoles off.
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 04, 2003, 07:12:39 AM
Nah, I just think that Capcom want some more money from Nintendo, and they never said that they would be some sort of Nintendo 2nd party anyway. I think some people forget that Capcom still is a very big 3rd party developer.
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: couchmonkey on April 04, 2003, 07:27:50 AM
I think Capcom is having trouble selling its big games on Cube versus the sales it used to have on Playstation...this isn't a huge surprise, since GameCube has a relatively small user base which is not known for buying "adult" games like Resident Evil.  From what I know the sales haven't really been bad, either, I bet RE 0 has sold more than a million units worldwide which isn't bad, but it could probably sell more than three million on the Playstation 2.  As such, Capcom is thinking about going back to Playstation, and I don't blame them (or it...it is grammatically correct, but just sounds wrong to me...)
I would be disappointed to lose Capcom support, but the ironic thing is that I haven't really cared about any of the games the company released on the GameCube so far, the only thing that really pleased me was Capcom vs. SNK 2, and if I owned a PS2 or a Dreamcast I wouldn't be all that impressed by it either.
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Post by: The Doc on April 04, 2003, 07:46:23 AM
I also heard about Capcom's fading support for the GameCube. I think we as Nintendo fans at least need to wait and see how Capcom's big five (Killer 7, Viewful Joe, RE 4, P.N. 03 and Dead Phoenix) turn out before we start flaming Capcom's decision. However I would hate to see Capcom's support die for the GameCube.

~ The Doc ~

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Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: StRaNgE on April 04, 2003, 08:47:13 AM
well if the brought it all to sony then I guess that would decide my debate on which second system to get.
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Post by: rpglover on April 04, 2003, 10:53:23 AM
personally i wouldnt be surprised if capcom pulled support from gamecube but production studio four stayed with nintendo
i mean mikami likes the gamecube and he has already voiced his problems with the ps2
now capcom itself has been good to gamecube lately with the capcom 5 and re but really all the good games come from production studio 4
hopefully capcom does not pull support and if they do- hopefully mikami will stay with nintendo
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Post by: The Omen on April 04, 2003, 12:52:55 PM
  Here's a nice quote, sure to sicken some-
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The article also says that Xbox accounted for only 1.5 percent of Capcom's sales, but the company hopes to increase that particular figure.


That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering the supposed reason is lower than expected sales on the GC.  Supporting a system that sells even LESS of their games seems a tad suspicious. Hmmmmm.....
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Post by: )Dark-LInk( on April 04, 2003, 01:19:58 PM
i think Shinji Mikami should join NINTENDO and leave capcom haha!!
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Wrx_Boi on April 04, 2003, 01:27:01 PM
No way he should stay in capcom, he would prove to be a good ally to nintendo.
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Matt on April 04, 2003, 01:27:07 PM
The newspaper or whatever that put this info out didn't confirm it, it was more specualtion.
Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: blu knight on April 04, 2003, 01:28:25 PM
What kind of "support" can they take from the Cube?  I mean aside from the RE series what has Capcom given the Cube that us Nintendo gamers would miss anyway?  The Capcom 5 looks promising but the PS2 is the console that has and will get most of Capcom's support.  I'll never understand this philosophy of "Xbox has low software sales, so lets stop making Gamecube games."  Capcom is already a multiplatform company, but if they want to go all the way then they should put all their games on all consoles.  Which means Devil May Cry, Onimusha, and Resident Evil for everybody.  EA does it and they're one of the top 3rd party developers in the industry right now, so its a proven formula that should work for Capcom.
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Post by: Esty on April 04, 2003, 02:22:36 PM
From what i read at Magicbox, It appears that we just won't get exclusive RE anymore. They don't mention Capcom stopping to support the Cube, just that they wish to make Xbox a more profitable outlet for themselves and they will port Re to other systems.  So stop worrying.  
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Post by: Kai on April 05, 2003, 03:41:01 AM
I don't think Capcom's "retraction" was all that forceful. I am worried for the Cube, I do think it need adult games, and securing the Resident Evil series kept a lot of their adult gamers happy. That's why I bought my cube, and Capcom said at the time they wanted all the games in the series on the one platform.

I couldn't care less about PN03, for all the hype, that game always looked pretty shallow. I do hope that Killer 7 and Dead Phoenix will turn out well however.

If Nintendo went to some effort to secure the Resident Evil series, thus wooing over older gamers like myself, first time Nintendo buyers, just to let it drop and waste all the work they did.....I don't see how that's a positive thing. The old guard of Nintendo fans just don't seem to accept that there is now a growing percentage of Nintendo gamers who's primary reason for buying Nintendo are their adult games that they have produced or secured; Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, Metroid, and the next Metal Gear Solid. It's kind of annoying to see Nintendo go to so much trouble to bring the sector of gamers over to the Cube, only to have people say "Who cares, we know that Nintendo owners only enjoy Nintendo first party." Nope, I bought my Cube to play Resident Evil, and so did a lot of other people I know from the Resident Evil community. That franchise is important to us.  
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Post by: The Doc on April 05, 2003, 04:50:03 AM
Resident Evil 4 will still only be released as a GameCube installment, however the other four Capcom titles: Viewful Joe, Dead Phoenix, Killer 7 and P.N. 03 are going to debut on the GameCube, but the problem is they are not under any type of an agreement to stay on Nintendo hardware. All in all, if these titles do well on Nintendo's console look for Capcom to possibly port these games to other systems.

So much for games being exclusive to one console.
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Post by: VideoGamerX on April 05, 2003, 07:07:25 AM
This is precisely why Nintendo fans don't like third parties. Capcom hasn't done anything yet, but if they have (or are going to) this is reason alone for them to land on the crap list. This is the perfect time to start spewing to the press "Uh yes... Nintendo sales are blah. We would like to blah reduce support for their Gamecube. Um, yeah..." while Nintendo has finally climbed out of a hole and is ruling March in hardware sales and game sales. This is what it means when someone can "ruin a wet dream." No one wants to be labeled as being like that... it's the worst kind of insult.

For now, I don't put any stock in it. Someone out there is just trying to steal Nintendo's thunder because everyone is burried in Nintendo hype. I would not be surprised to hear numerous rumors of Nintendo losing support, games, and junk. Even at the top of Nintendo's game right now, there's someone on this forum saying Nintendo should drop out of the console business if even for only one generation. The bottom line is that those who do not like Nintendo are going to be looking for ways to hurt their image and curtail this craze.

My original point is that third parties always seem to have a way to mess up the good. At the start of the Zelda preorder craze, we're all reminded of what's going wrong by EA chiming in to say they want to cut back the sports titles (Gamecube already doesn't get MVP baseball, the biggest sport in America....). We have to put up with third parties whining about sales. Why is it we rarely hear of Xbox losing support when their games sell even less than on Gamecube at times? SEGA supports Xbox despite lack of sales. We get a big fat warning from analysts because we're not in first place. Third parties are abbrassive to Nintendo in general. There's no wonder why we don't like them.
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Post by: Tycoon__ on April 05, 2003, 08:38:27 AM
this is bs, the magazine is probably misunderstood.

capcom says this is utter bs.

nintendo sold the most everything for march...

ign says this is bs


i say this is bs..

xbox is having a hard time like GC did... xbox will get the same treatment... n i could see uk retailers repeating the GC thing with Xbox...

the video game market is going to crash... it is to hard for everyone....

ive been right on many occasins on this business stuff... even though i predict this it may not be true with corps having billions..

i dont think billy will tolerate such large losses.. he even raised  xbox live fee... and it is losing supporters...

the xbox gets some very same treatment---you just dont follow it.. n capcom is currently favouring gc and ps2 way more then microsoft.. ms probably doesnt look good to the eyes of a japanese company...

nintendo could very easily take capcom under its belt....

when miyamoto said gc would be easy to develop a long time ago.. he was right.. ps2 is more difficult then the N64 for gods sake!


you ppl just jump the gun so much.. some of the sega sports is returning even....

i think nintendo had a hidden plan.. and i was right.. and i also got flamed for it.. but i was right!!!!!
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Post by: Darc Requiem on April 05, 2003, 10:09:14 AM
Well just to let you guys know, Capcom has officially denied the Nikkei news report. Check out the April 4th news on the magic box. RE0 and RE4 will remain exclusive to GC. I seriously doubt Capcom will cut back GC support and increase X-box support, unless MS throws some serious money at the for each title Capcom makes on X-box. They is no Japanese userbase for Capcom to sell there titles to on X-box

Darc Requiem  
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Post by: DiggleD44 on April 05, 2003, 02:13:21 PM
I woudn't care too much, but i don't like hearing about companys dropping support for cube. The only reason i'd actually care alot, is if they stopped making Resident Evil games on cube.yea





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Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: dafunkk12 on April 05, 2003, 07:02:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Wrx_Boi
No way he should stay in capcom, he would prove to be a good ally to nintendo.
Actually, quite the opposite could prove true as well.  He could act as an influential liason between Nintendo and Capcom.  Do you know why Factor 5 stays 3rd party even though, save for the occasional PC port, their games are only for Gamecube?  If they were to leave LucasArts, they wouldn't be on "the inside"  and would be unable to make Star Wars games--and tell me what the best recent console Star Wars games were...the Rogue Squadron series.  (I think they ought to put a pause on RL2 and finish up Thornado.)

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Post by: egman on April 06, 2003, 04:43:07 AM
VideoGamerX--You just touched upon something that really has me niffed right now. Left and right you have companies threatening to drop Nintendo, but you almost hear none of this about the X-box, which is not doing any better than GC. Both consoles are getting their heads handed to them by the PS2. If these companies were really interested in the money, they shouldn't even be thinking the X-box, let alone the Cube.

There is alot more going on here with some of the claims being made. I think much of it has to do with the Nintendo's direction as a console maker. They are on a completely different path then Sony and Microsoft in terms of how they want to put together their consoles. I think they are also being hurt by the perception of being "kiddie" and  not seeming to be receptive to 3rd parties. I won't deny that the Cube was made first and foremost to support the 1st and 2nd party Nintendo games. It has worked for them as a software developer, but as a console maker I wonder if they have bred some kind of contempt in 3rd parties, despite good intentions. I think this might be why I keep seeing Nintendo this and Nintendo that while the X-box seems to be relatively unharmed inspite of also having piss poor sales.

It just really annoys me right now, and I would rather have 3rd parties just come out and say that they just don't like Nintendo's direction, rather than hide behind sales arguments.  Frankly, if you are looking at things from a purely business angle, the Cube and X-box shouldn't even be an option to you. Don't say crap about the GC without looking at the lackluster performance of the X-box with equal scrutiny.

Title: So what's up with Capcom?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 06, 2003, 06:55:41 AM
How can they be taking support away from the cube if they're releasing the "Capcom 5" on it first? That's not really a move that a company which was taking away support would make.
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Post by: Kai on April 06, 2003, 07:28:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
Well just to let you guys know, Capcom has officially denied the Nikkei news report.


Some denial. From IGN - http://cube.ign.com/articles/392/392289p1.html

(One line from article, fair use) We'll point out that this statement doesn't really counter the points brought up by the Nikkei article.
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Post by: Grimm on April 06, 2003, 08:18:07 AM
Maybe you guys haven't noticed, but Capcom hasn't been doing so well. They need money, and taking a game that is already made and porting it to another console would be the easiest way to do that. Let them put the Resident Evil games to the other consoles. They didn't say they were going to stop putting them on the Cube. This whole Console War thing has to stop. If you look at it from a business point of view, it is a wise descision, but you all are just blinded by your loyalty.
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Post by: egman on April 06, 2003, 09:41:50 AM
I agree that Capcom is not doing well and porting is a good idea, but I still think the X-box thing is kind of suspect considering how GC and X-box are being destroyed sales wise. Capcom would do better to stick with PS2 if finances are really key. I think that is something Sega should've done from the start, but instead they went the hard way which probably made their efforts to turn their business around more painful then it should have.

Anyway, I am glad they did throw their support at the Cube in some form. They should commended for taking chance when it was uneccessary and even dangerous towards their health. I'm hoping their effort does not go wasted for their sake and Nintendo's.