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Title: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 02, 2008, 08:33:39 PM
I thought this would be best to have its own thread.

Here is the link to the post (Made in the ubisoft message board):

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/3 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/3)

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The true of the matter is this, the Wii is a very different console than what most games developers are used to. The Wii has managed to make a huge success from having games on it that just would not work on a conventional console. The Wii has also managed to increase the market share to a huge group of people that are not that interested in gaming. With Wii Sports, Wii Fit and all manner of games built for family play, Nintendo know who they are marketing for and it is not die hard gamers. If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.

Looking at the current UK games sales for Wii Wii Sales Link, there are not that many traditional games in the top 30. Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different.

Parents who are buying a console for their children do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry on the box, they want games that are going to be good for their children and not get them in the local newspaper. Why else would games like Brain Training/Wii Fit/Mario Party sell in the millions if people wanted hardcore games?

Check the Nintendo DS figures in the UK as well. DS Sales Link. Notice whose name is listed there a few times but also notice which games are listed? We make games that will “hopefully” sell to a selected audience. We are a business after all, but Nintendo know which people are their market, just as Sony and Microsoft know who their markets are. Ubisoft have always been aimed at the more mature market (Look at our back catalogue) and in the last few years have started venturing into the casual gaming market. This is because that market now exists, thanks to the rise in popularity of the Wii and DS. The Wii is still a new console and it still has plenty of time to grow, Nintendo know this and Ubisoft know this.

As for Shaun Whites on the Wii, can you at least wait to get some more information and gameplay on it before binning it? Most people have seen a few screenshots and they already hate it because it does not look as good as the 360 etc but to damn a game just because of looks, and without actually playing it is just silly. All I have seen is various forums doing childish Photoshop screens, at least wait to see the game face to face before turning it into a humorous gif.

I'll flat out say this letter disgusts me and it confuses me at the same time. As we know Red Steel sold VERY well, so what happened to all those gamers that bought the (poor) Red Steel? Did they get eaten by the Sony/MS monster? What about those gamers who bought the RE games from Capcom? The market is there and frankly Ubisoft is bordering on ridiculous. Heaven forbid a 3rd Party Actually put resources in a game and advertise it a bit.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: bustin98 on June 02, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
I would have thought a post about this issue would have come around sooner. The originating topic at Ubisoft has been locked. Various forums across the net has had PR Goons trying to do damage control. And every Wii and Nintendo fan who knows of the 'Crap-Casual' release schedule from Ubisoft has sworn off buying anything from Ubisoft.

Ubisoft made a giant blunder with the games they announced. I hope they suffer for it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 02, 2008, 08:55:23 PM
It is obvious the Wii has a very diverse base, just look at the sales for Smash Brothers Brawl, that alone proves there are millions of gamers out there who still want traditional games. It seems like Ubisoft is sticking their head up a Raving Rabbit behind and not realizing the market potential.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: ShyGuy on June 02, 2008, 09:29:28 PM
How come NWR doesn't get their own ubisoft pr goon?

I WILL BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN

by mother I mean Ubisoft, and by burn down I mean admonish on the internet
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Caliban on June 02, 2008, 10:34:01 PM
I call upon bullshit from Ubisoft.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Deguello on June 02, 2008, 11:09:26 PM
I think their problems in this whole mess started when they painted the entire Wii userbase with a broad brush that does not include hardcore gamers.

It's the same thing a lot of third parties did with the GameCube, and they could mostly get away with it because the GameCube's userbase was small.

But this isn't the Gamecube, this is the Wii, the current and apparently future market leader in all regions (if VGchartz is a good enough metric) painting all of us Wii owners as wholly a bunch of grandmas, little girls, and casuals is ridiculous, as the giant backlash to these annoucement has shown.

Allow me to move the clock back.  There was a time in 2002 through 2004 that a popular Nintendo fanboy meme was to say that everybody who bought the PS2 only bought it for the DVD player.  This statement was usually met with scorn from an entire website or forum.  To paint the market leader with such a brush was asinine.  However " bad forum fanboyism" has apparently become "good company policy" for the Wii-deniers.  It's really sickening to watch.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: mantidor on June 02, 2008, 11:35:23 PM
Indeed. As fanboy mentality is expected but that actual companies inverting big bucks in gaming still have this mentality is almost inconceivable. How stupid can you get?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 01:24:59 AM
Boy, that PoP spinoff better be good or there'll be hell to pay.

....imagine the chaos if it's a PoP party game... *shudders*
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2008, 01:38:37 AM
Boy, that PoP spinoff better be good or there'll be hell to pay.

....imagine the chaos if it's a PoP party game... *shudders*

Oh wow, don't say that! That sounds like something Ubisoft would do. To be honest I wouldn't mind if the spinoff was that remake they did for Xbox Live Arcade with new features, that was a really great game and I'd love to see an expanded version on the Wii. Knowing Ubisoft though we'll get PoP: Raving Arabs with camel riding mini games!
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2008, 01:41:46 AM
LOL

LOL
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2008, 02:04:22 AM
Is anybody else gonna boycott their stuff?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: KDR_11k on June 03, 2008, 02:18:35 AM
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If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.

I'm not even going to bother pointing at the tons of traditional franchise games Nintendo has successfully sold. This sentence really betrays their ignorance. Yes, Wii Fit and Sports are family oriented (though I'm not sure about "alternative") but if you think that means cheap it's no wonder you fail. Both of these are pretty much "AAA" quality (Wii Sports is somewhat small but then again it's a free bundle in most territories). Do you think Wii Fit would've sold as much if they had put a third rate team on it? They put freaking Shigeru Miyamoto on the job! Sure, it doesn't look like a hollywood movie but if you think that's the only thing defining AAA you're fucking stupid.

Casual games are serious business. Sure you can crap one out but so can thousands of others, good luck getting any sales then.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2008, 02:44:37 AM
I got No More Heroes already, SO I'M GOOD.

Good riddance, ubi!
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Plugabugz on June 03, 2008, 03:35:55 AM
I love the way how they dumped everything on sales trends in the UK.

I forget that both Mario Kart, GTA 4 and No More Heroes impacted the charts here.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 03:56:30 AM
Is anybody else gonna boycott their stuff?

I'm gonna buy EA instead.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Urkel on June 03, 2008, 05:40:34 AM
What I find absolutely mind boggling is that at the start of this generation Ubi had Nintendo fans eating out of the palm of their hand, and then they pull this. And what was the point of apologizing and promising "Nintendo-like quality" if they had no intention of doing any such thing?

They're beyond the point of no return now. There's nothing they can do to regain their credibility with Nintendo fans.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2008, 06:14:40 AM
What I find absolutely mind boggling is that at the start of this generation Ubi had Nintendo fans eating out of the palm of their hand, and then they pull this. And what was the point of apologizing and promising "Nintendo-like quality" if they had no intention of doing any such thing?

They're beyond the point of no return now. There's nothing they can do to regain their credibility with Nintendo fans.

It is really too bad because I praised them for their support in the beginning but now it looks like they are taking that support those of us gave them, and are instead shoving it in our faces so they can fund PS3/Xbox 360 games.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Shift Key on June 03, 2008, 07:30:43 AM
I'm just going to respond directly to this. There's so many things wrong with it, it deserves to be mocked. I don't even know if its authentic (it probably is, but even that's hard to fathom).

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The true of the matter is this, the Wii is a very different console than what most games developers are used to.
Translation: We're used to Sony brand electronics. We are confused by this white thing and it always asking us to tighten the strap when we start playing it.

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With Wii Sports, Wii Fit and all manner of games built for family play, Nintendo know who they are marketing for and it is not die hard gamers.
Translation: We're fairly certain the Nintendo class of hardcore gamer was dead and buried with their Gamecube. Any rumours of their existence will require our scientist team to investigate. We know the other hardcore fans survived the transition because GTA4 didn't bomb.

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If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.
Translation: Our games aren't successful. Our games aren't AAA class. Do you understand where we're coming from, or do I need to make use of this novelty hammer to convey the point?

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Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different.
Translation: Only the hardcore gamers want a new action, FPS game or RPG. See that jump I just made? Of course not. You're too busy getting angry about BG&E not making it to Wii. Don't worry, we'll be making that for PS2 because it'll use the same graphics engine. Don't worry, Anciel doesn't know this either. He's gonna have a coronary. It'll be hilarious.

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Parents who are buying a console for their children do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry on the box, they want games that are going to be good for their children and not get them in the local newspaper. Why else would games like Brain Training/Wii Fit/Mario Party sell in the millions if people wanted hardcore games?
Translation: Here's the point in my argument where I paint every Wii owner as being a child or a parent buying it for a child. Watch as I continue to applaud Nintendo's Blue Ocan strategy, and then imply their strategy killed off the dinosaurs hardcore gamers. And I'll throw some of our beloved titles in there, because I know the Sony and MS fans are getting a kick out of reading this. All my sources say that Nintendo is a kiddy console, perhaps I can just say it out loud later.

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We make games that will “hopefully” sell to a selected audience.
Translation: Oh man, I hope these games will sell well. Otherwise I'm gonna have someone's foot up my arse. Perhaps I should cover my arse for the next year? I'll ask a forum what I should do.

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We are a business after all, but Nintendo know which people are their market, just as Sony and Microsoft know who their markets are.
Translation: We're being led around. I know this but I completely trust the people doing the leading. I mean, they're doing it for the gamers and not the money? Right?

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Ubisoft have always been aimed at the more mature market (Look at our back catalogue) and in the last few years have started venturing into the casual gaming market. This is because that market now exists, thanks to the rise in popularity of the Wii and DS.
Translation: Oh ****, lets just make sure we stay away from this "casual" and "hardcore" talk; I'd hate to offend someone. My grandfather calls himself "more mature" rather than "old", lets use that instead.

But I don't like casual gamers, so don't worry about offending them. Just make sure that we appear to care about them. That'll keep them interested in us for long enough to make a profit on that terrible Dogz game. I didn't just say that out loud, did I?

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The Wii is still a new console and it still has plenty of time to grow, Nintendo know this and Ubisoft know this.
Translation: Yep, we're in no rush to support this intimidating, tiny beast. The waggle itself requires our developers to attend therapy weekly. Its just so damn complicated.

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As for Shaun Whites on the Wii, can you at least wait to get some more information and gameplay on it before binning it?
Translation: Where's the fucking PR company? I need good damage control. I can't control my angst for much longer.

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Most people have seen a few screenshots and they already hate it because it does not look as good as the 360 etc but to damn a game just because of looks, and without actually playing it is just silly.
Translation: Why aren't you guys playing Wii Fit? I thought you were all casual gamers. After all, casual gamers don't hang around on forums and complain about games. That would make you hardcore gamers. Oh no, a conundrum.

Good thing I'm going to ignore it because you guys only like graphics, right? Go and get the 360 version. It'll make me look better.

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All I have seen is various forums doing childish Photoshop screens, at least wait to see the game face to face before turning it into a humorous gif.
Translation: I wish I could photoshop. Cut that **** out, I'm envious.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Strell on June 03, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
That has to be about the most perfect deconstruction of corporate PR bullshit I've ever seen. 

"I wish I could photoshop.  Cut that **** out."

Haha, touche'.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2008, 10:11:11 AM
So, no matter what Nintendo does or how successful they are it seems they just can't win. No matter what, 3rd parties always invent excuses for why they don't support it like they should. For the N64 and GC their arguments made some sense, but this time around Nintendo has dropped their bullying of 3rd parties and delivered a console that is both easy to develop for and is currently the market leader. And yet, despite Nintendo having fixed those things, the 3rd parties still come up with excuses.... even when games like Red Steel manage to sell millions.

Yes, the casual market for the Wii is strong, but the hardcore market for the Wii is also very strong as well. Red Steel, No More Heroes, and 1st party games like Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc. all prove there is a strong demand for traditional gaming. How could anyone in their right minds not see how popular Smash Bros. or Mario Kart has been? Wii Fit is a big success as well, but come on... there's room for both types of gamers, and sometimes a gamer falls into both categories.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 10:40:02 AM
Ubisoft is going to get bought out by EA at this rate. It'll happen. Just watch it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kenology on June 03, 2008, 11:42:17 AM
So Ubisoft's Yves Guillemot goes on record saying that he has 400 to 500 people working on Wii titles and will achieve Nintendo-like quality.  Then, we get this latest drove of brain dead shovelwares.  The rationalization behind it is that traditional games don't sell on Wii, despite plenty of games (including Ubi's own Red Steel) proving the contrary.

Raide is right though, folks on Wii don't want a Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six, or Far Cry game...  particularly when they're rushed and hacked ports like Rival Swords and Splinter Cell: Double Agent, or the atrocity that was Far Cry: Vegeance. 

The best thing Ubisoft has done for the Wii was publishing No More Heroes, which I am thankful for.  Other than that, Ubisoft fails.  They openly admitted that their casual Wii shovelware crap is used to fund games on HD consoles.  They don't care to make AAA games on the Wii.  This is unacceptable not just for Wii owners, but for the industry as a whole.

Malstrom couldn't have been more correct with his "birdman" analysis (http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html) - this right here is evidence in support of it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2008, 12:35:41 PM
Hay guys, I think we should just chill on Ubisoft and give them a chance.  It's obvious they know what they're doing, otherwise, how would they have stayed in business so long?

Wait for the games to come out, then buy them and give them a chance.  If you don't like them then, then you can complain about them.  But, the important thing is that you buy Ubisoft games.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 03, 2008, 12:37:38 PM
Ubisoft is going to get bought out by EA at this rate. It'll happen. Just watch it.

EA only buys successful companies.  Ubisoft couldn't have chosen a more perfect strategy for staving off EA.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2008, 01:34:12 PM
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If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.

In other words "sh!t sells on the Wii".  It's been speculated that third parties don't put any real effort into Wii games because the casual fanbase that doesn't know better just buys any old crap.  Well here we have confirmation of a third party admitting that.

I'm thinking that's going to forever be the Wii's curse.  Take away the non-gamers and the casuals.  Take away the newcomers and what do we have left?  Would this lineup sell as many consoles if the "traditional gaming market" was all there is?  I doubt it.  The Wii might as well be the Gamecube with a different controller.  The third party support is about the same.  Yeah the first party lineup is great but that's expected from a Nintendo console.  Now the third parties are probably wrong.  The Wii probably sells well enough that their AAA material would sell just as well as their shovelware.  But the Wii userbase will buy crap and the X360/PS3 probably won't as much so we're where we are now.  Ubisoft is wrong but because every third party has the same attitude it doesn't matter.  The only way to fix this is if some third party makes the Wii their target console, cleans up, and forces the other third parties to switch or get left behind.  It has to get to the point that one has to support the Wii to survive.

Boycotting Ubisoft won't do sh!t because we're not the ones in control.  The casuals are the majority on the Wii and if they buy crap then it doesn't matter if we don't.  And if the crap stopped selling then third parties would probably just pull support.  I think the Gamecube proved that not buying crap just makes third parties drop support, provided they have other consoles as an alternative.  If they can make money on the Xbox 360 then they won't care if Wii owners don't support them.  They have to NEED the Wii for any message to get through.

I remember back when the Wii wasn't out yet so many people here were PRAISING Ubisoft because they were one of like three third parties actually annoucing support.  I argued that like EA, Ubisoft support was insignificant because they support everybody.  Funny how opinions flip flop and now everyone is all "Ubisoft sucks!"
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2008, 01:37:32 PM
I still have alot of praise for EA and Capcom who are trying. Ubisoft is a special case because they ARE NOT even when games like Red Steel sold well. So Ian I think you are exaggerating again, even with Ubisofts crappy support the Wii has more exclusives and AAA titles from third parties than GC ever had.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2008, 01:43:34 PM
Capcom isn't trying.  If they were Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter IV wouldn't be annouced for every console but the Wii.  True third party support means 90% of a company's games are released on your console and virtually nothing is released on everything but.  You also should rarely get multiplatform games released on a later date than everyone else unless an annoucement is made prior to release that kills the original version's thunder (ie: Resident Evil 4 on the PS2).
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2008, 01:50:02 PM
Capcom isn't trying.  If they were Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter IV wouldn't be annouced for every console but the Wii.  True third party support means 90% of a company's games are released on your console and virtually nothing is released on everything but.  You also should rarely get multiplatform games released on a later date than everyone else unless an annoucement is made prior to release that kills the original version's thunder (ie: Resident Evil 4 on the PS2).

I think someone hasn't played Zack and Wiki, while it isn't their big franchise it is a GREAT game. RE: UC is a solid title as well. Also in regards to 360 and PS3 owners not buying crap games, that is not true as well, in fact companies brag about how their games always sell on the systems whether it is good or not. Personally one aspect I love about the Wii is that it lends itself to newer franchises that take advantage of the unique controls.

Also most of the Wii's top sellers are good to great games besides the few launch titles (As with every system people buy what is there). I know, everyone likes to bring up Carnival Games but that is more the exception than the rule and not only that it is a solid casual game, not great but solid.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 02:13:55 PM
Technically, Street Fighter IV is still listed as "To be decided." I am holding out hope for a Wii version of the game.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: KDR_11k on June 03, 2008, 02:39:47 PM
Ian, before you blame the casuals for buying this crap you should ask "are they really?". It doesn't seem to me like those crap games get many sales (though the poor sales they get probably still make up for the near-nil development budget), just like other shovelware.

Also requiring 90% before considering it support is too much IMO, the Wii is not the only console where games sell and the 360 and PS3 can be treated as one market, giving them almost as many users as the Wii (and maybe more if you rely on sequels to franchises noone but long-time gamers really know). While the dev cost differences widen the gap somewhat again I don't think ignoring a part of such an even-matched market is a wise decision and I don't think we should expect companies to drop everything they were doing and make only Wii games. Multiplatform games aren't really feasible because the Wii and 360/PS3 are too different to be able to make one game for all consoles, you pretty much need two versions of the game.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 03, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
Capcom has said on a couple occasions that SF4 might be on Wii.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 03, 2008, 02:41:58 PM
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If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.

In other words "sh!t sells on the Wii".  It's been speculated that third parties don't put any real effort into Wii games because the casual fanbase that doesn't know better just buys any old crap.  Well here we have confirmation of a third party admitting that."

Do you even look at the Wii sales charts?  The truth of the matter is the exact opposite, sh!t DOESN'T sell on the Wii.  Which is why companies like Ubisoft are very stupid for using that argument since all their crappy games bombed, which is why Ubisoft only made 10% of their revenue off the system last year.

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But the Wii userbase will buy crap and the X360/PS3 probably won't as much so we're where we are now.

You mean the same 360/PS3 userbase that made a game like 50 Cent Bulletproof a million seller last gen, and will probably make it's upcoming sequel a million seller as well?  Or the same 360/PS3 userbase the buys any game because it's a Shooter, regardless of quality as well?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2008, 02:58:28 PM
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Also requiring 90% before considering it support is too much IMO

It is a little high but I'd say that's comparable to the kind of the support the PS2 received.  The Wii is the marker leader so shouldn't it get comparable support to previous market leaders?

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Do you even look at the Wii sales charts?  The truth of the matter is the exact opposite, sh!t DOESN'T sell on the Wii.  Which is why companies like Ubisoft are very stupid for using that argument since all their crappy games bombed, which is why Ubisoft only made 10% of their revenue off the system last year.

I actualy haven't looked recently so if things have changed that's great and I take it back.  If Ubisoft is actually getting nailed then maybe there's hope.

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You mean the same 360/PS3 userbase that made a game like 50 Cent Bulletproof a million seller last gen, and will probably make it's upcoming sequel a million seller as well?  Or the same 360/PS3 userbase the buys any game because it's a Shooter, regardless of quality as well?

Well I feel there's an unfair bias against shooters on this forum due to Nintendo not really getting any.  On the N64 Nintendo fans loved shooters and then retroactively declared the genre worthless once the Cube had virtually none while the Xbox had tons.  Similar to how RPGs were awesome on the SNES but sucked on the Playstation but are awesome again on the DS.

Anyway, there's no denying the 50 Cent game sucks but it did require some effort to make.  Poorly focused effort that mainly revolved around presentation but effort nonetheless.  On the Wii a third party can make a game with Dreamcast level graphics, a short amount of content, and simplistic gameplay, label it a non-game, and put it in stores when that sort of thing would NEVER fly on the other consoles.  They'll buy a crappy game but, dammit, it will be a crappy game that was expensive to make!  You also can't take a PS2 game, shoehorn some new control scheme into it, and release it on the PS3 or X360.  The PS3/X360 userbase will definitly buy crap but you have to polish the turd and on the Wii you don't.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: vherub on June 03, 2008, 03:32:40 PM
Ubi has to be frustrated with the relatively poor sales of No More Heroes. It is  a solid game with mature themes, was well reviewed and did not have much competition.
The z series has to be a reaction where cheaply made games sell just as well, if not better when targeted to different people. The people this upsets didn't buy no more heroes in the first place, aren't going to buy these ne titles anyway and number few from a sales perspective.
Part of this is on the consumer for not buying great games.
But some of the blame is also on Nintendo for greenlighting games that graphically give the console a bad reputation and also play terribly.
In the same breath, Capcom has to be disappointed when a fantastic game like Okami doesn't sell well. Yet their reaction isn't to put down Wii players, even if they might be thinking the exact same thoughts in their head.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Arbok on June 03, 2008, 03:40:21 PM
Ubi has to be frustrated with the relatively poor sales of No More Heroes. It is  a solid game with mature themes, was well reviewed and did not have much competition.

Given that Ubisoft is only the distributor on the title outside of Japan, I truly doubt they are stressing much about its performance.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2008, 03:47:23 PM
Ian as I am sure you are well aware as a programmer it takes effort to make a game but is the amount of effort that we are upset about. Lets take a look at launch Red Steel and RRR sold 1 million each and both were of average quality. 7.5 scores. Now since launch the quality has declined. No more Heroes was developed by Grasshopper, Not Ubisoft. And now they they are going to release stuff like Babyz party and Doggz. Just because you can make a bad game doesn't mean that you should.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2008, 04:31:36 PM
Ian I think you are being very irrational about the shooter thing, if you recall the N64 virtually started the current 3D shooter on consoles. Since then the market has been flooded with FPS after FPS usually with WWII or some war theme, it gets old fast and even fans of Xbox 360/PS3 admit that. Also in regards to Ubisoft and NMH, they had virtually no advertising for it so they shouldn't expected much, especially for a game that is pretty niche by a niche designer.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: ATimson on June 03, 2008, 04:34:22 PM
Capcom isn't trying.  If they were Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter IV wouldn't be annouced for every console but the Wii.  True third party support means 90% of a company's games are released on your console and virtually nothing is released on everything but.
Then Nintendo shouldn't have released a console where games built for other modern systems have to be more or less redesigned from the ground up to work at all, much less well, on the Wii.

They took the cheap route when making the console--rightly so, if their sales records are any indication--but multiplatform games are paying the price for it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 04:54:55 PM
Capcom isn't trying.  If they were Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter IV wouldn't be annouced for every console but the Wii.  True third party support means 90% of a company's games are released on your console and virtually nothing is released on everything but.
Then Nintendo shouldn't have released a console where games built for other modern systems have to be more or less redesigned from the ground up to work at all, much less well, on the Wii.

They took the cheap route when making the console--rightly so, if their sales records are any indication--but multiplatform games are paying the price for it.

Thankfully, actual Wii third party support is healthier than its been in a very long time. There's no question that Nintendo's taken a big risk and made a trade-off on some level. But we're still getting Sonic Unleashed, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Skate, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Alone in the Dark, and other multiplatform games, (though not all, it's true) while enjoying growing and respectable third party support from companies like EA and THQ, among others like Eidos (Monster Lab) and Tecmo (Fatal Frame) or even Capcom (MH3 or even their Rachet-&-Clank hopeful Spyborgs).

Ubisoft is a high profile stumble, but it's just a high profile one.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 03, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
No Resident Evil 5 is such a tear jerker too. :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: KDR_11k on June 03, 2008, 05:00:09 PM
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On the Wii a third party can make a game with Dreamcast level graphics, a short amount of content, and simplistic gameplay, label it a non-game, and put it in stores when that sort of thing would NEVER fly on the other consoles.

I guess you haven't looked at the PS2 shelves closely...
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2008, 05:42:15 PM
Kairon, you're putting Rock Band on the list proving healthy support?  I thought Rock Band was the perfectly example of what's wrong.  It's a high profile game the Wii should have but the Wii is getting it months after the other consoles with features hacked out so they can just do a quick 'n dirty port of the PS2 version.  And you're using to prove how GOOD the Wii third party support is?  Come on!
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Morari on June 03, 2008, 09:15:19 PM
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On the Wii a third party can make a game with Dreamcast level graphics, a short amount of content, and simplistic gameplay, label it a non-game, and put it in stores when that sort of thing would NEVER fly on the other consoles.

I guess you haven't looked at the PS2 shelves closely...

No, the PS2 could never handle Dreamcast level graphics.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Djunknown on June 03, 2008, 10:04:34 PM
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Malstrom couldn't have been more correct with his "birdman" analysis - this right here is evidence in support of it.

It was a bit long, but one hell of a read. Its  It describes more or less what's happening right now with Ubisoft as a prime example. Dogz vs Nintendogs

I'm still waiting for E3, where hopefully they'll announce something more...interesting.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: animecyberrat on June 04, 2008, 12:11:55 AM
I take back every good thing I said about Ubisoft, the fact that they came out and said all the same bullshit I was saying proves that they are stupid.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 04, 2008, 03:11:38 AM
Kairon, you're putting Rock Band on the list proving healthy support?  I thought Rock Band was the perfectly example of what's wrong.  It's a high profile game the Wii should have but the Wii is getting it months after the other consoles with features hacked out so they can just do a quick 'n dirty port of the PS2 version.  And you're using to prove how GOOD the Wii third party support is?  Come on!

Yes I am. We waited AGES for a DDR for the Gamecube, and when we got it it was mario themed and almost too niche to stand. In contrast, getting Rockband just 7 months late is a HUGE improvement.

What you ALWAYS neglect ianSane is that life is a process, and that whereas the entire industry and fanboi community was at a loss as to how Nintendo could reverse a negative trend, Nintendo has in fact done the impossible and started retaking certain indicators of third party support. The Wii will likely end this generation with the biggest game library of the three consoles, and the Nintendo Wii is actually leading in exclusive titles.

The Wii isn't the PS2. Maybe the sheer excellence of Nintendo's own first party titles will mean that no Nintendo console ever will be: Nintendo consoles are the only field where EA is not the number one publisher. But the Wii is improving Nintendo's record and retaking some important aspects of the market leader performance for Nintendo, and this includes third party involvement.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Shift Key on June 04, 2008, 10:19:30 AM
Wait for the games to come out, then buy them and give them a chance.  If you don't like them then, then you can complain about them.  But, the important thing is that you buy Ubisoft games.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly. Respect is a two-way street, and they've shown nothing but contempt for the Wii user base in recent days.

I'm not parting with my hard-earned cash because they feel hard-done by. This whole incident reeks of ivory tower syndrome.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Mario on June 04, 2008, 10:37:20 AM
Hey, Mario themed DDR is way better than generic DDR where you'll only like 2-3 songs.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2008, 12:02:20 PM
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Yes I am. We waited AGES for a DDR for the Gamecube, and when we got it it was mario themed and almost too niche to stand. In contrast, getting Rockband just 7 months late is a HUGE improvement.

Good point though I like DDR Mario Mix.  I think if it came out a few years earlier when the Cube's future still had some optimism it would have been considered a pretty big deal.  It was a major crossover, after all.

I would say Guitar Hero is a better example though as Guitar Hero III was out on the Wii around the same time as the other versions and World Tour is scheduled to come out at the same time.  I will admit late half-assed Rock Band is better than no Rock Band at all but I won't be getting it.  I am however seriously considering getting Guitar Hero World Tour.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: EasyCure on June 04, 2008, 12:33:28 PM
I take back every good thing I said about Ubisoft, the fact that they came out and said all the same bullshit I was saying proves that they are stupid.

now THATS POTY material


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Yes I am. We waited AGES for a DDR for the Gamecube, and when we got it it was mario themed and almost too niche to stand. In contrast, getting Rockband just 7 months late is a HUGE improvement.

Good point though I like DDR Mario Mix.


Ian likes a game that has mario was shoe horned into/whored out to??

end of days.

Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Morari on June 04, 2008, 05:50:18 PM
Maybe it's just because that version of DDR had tolerable music for a change?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2008, 06:04:23 PM
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Ian likes a game that has mario was shoe horned into/whored out to??

 ;D

I got flack for supporting the idea when it was annouced, too.  To me it seems like a cool crossover between companies and franchises which is different than "Mario does random activity".  I liked the idea of a Mario/Sonic crossover as well but thought that an Olympic game was a lame idea to frame it around.  Fortunately Brawl made up for that.

To me that's what "whoring out" IPs should be saved for.  Something big like Link in Soul Calibur.  Mario in dull EA Sports game no one will remember a month later is not.  It's got to be the sort of thing that fanboys dream of.  A Mario RPG made by Square?  Now that's a fanboy dream game.  A Mario-themed pinball game?  Who thinks about stuff like that aside from Nintendo execs in a boardroom?

A full-on Nintendo themed DDR with themes from numerous Nintendo franchises would probably be huge.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 04, 2008, 06:22:23 PM

A full-on Nintendo themed DDR with themes from numerous Nintendo franchises would probably be huge.

Yes, someone else supports the idea.  A Smash Bros DDR game would be an amazing idea.  As Smash Bros Brawl proved, there's so many Nintendo songs that can be remixed in so many different ways, that the possibilities are endless.

Plus we'd finally get to see Captain Falcon show us his moves.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 04, 2008, 06:35:02 PM
Hottest Parties music selection SUCKS. So please bring it on.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 04, 2008, 06:36:38 PM
Plus we'd finally get to see Captain Falcon show us his moves.

May not want.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 04, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
Nintendo needs to capitalize on how much it spent on collecting all the Nintendo Music in Brawl.

Some sort of awesome Nintendo themed music or rythme game with the entire Brawl Music library would be kickass fantastic.

Nintendo make this happen...please.  Heck.  Go run and propose the idea for Rock Band or Guitar Hero IV as exclusive downloadable content, or packaged in the game to begin with. 
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Galford on June 04, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
"Nintendo make this happen...please.  Heck.  Go run and propose the idea for Rock Band or Guitar Hero IV as exclusive downloadable content, or packaged in the game to begin with.  "

Sorry the Wii really doesn't have the storage space to do that.
I really don't this happening anytime soon.

The only good thing to come out of the Ubisoft announcement is all photoshops that will be on display over at neogaf...
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2008, 12:30:09 AM
What about Wii Music?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: animecyberrat on June 05, 2008, 12:55:32 AM
What about Wii Music?

Vaporware.



EDIT:


In all seriousness though, Wii Music does not seam like it would fulfill the fantasy being described by Spak here.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Ian Sane on June 05, 2008, 01:30:43 PM
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Some sort of awesome Nintendo themed music or rythme game with the entire Brawl Music library would be kickass fantastic.

I fully endorse the idea on one condition: they don't go lazy on it.  If they just grab the song tracks right from Brawl with no remixes and no new songs added then I'm less interested.  I would like to see a full effort with careful song selection.  It would also like it if they really embraced the different eras.  I want to see a song from the SNES Star Fox with old SFX graphics in the background.  There is a clear retro stuff in SSB but it seems limited to the really big franchises.  I'd like it if I could get dead-on chip tune versions of songs and also modern arranged versions.

Damn, now I'm getting excited about this idea.  See Nintendo?  This is what I mean by a "dream game".  Put yourself in the shoes of the consumer and think about what kind of franchise spinoff would get people hyping themselves up for months or even years before release.  Note that SSB does that while Mario Water Polo doesn't.

Regarding Wii Music I think the concept suffers from the use of the remote.  I don't think pretending the remote is an instrument is really what people want.  That's not far removed from playing DDR with the controller.  Guitar Hero works because the controller is a freakin' guitar!  Rock Band with people "miming" instruments using remotes would not be as cool.  So if Nintendo made the OMEGA NINTENDO RHYTHM GAME some sort of special controller would really help.  Or make it DDR.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2008, 02:40:26 PM
Actually, one of the best things about Donkey Konga was that Latin remix of Zelda. SO AWESOME.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Deguello on June 05, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
I think we need to bring this thread in for a landing and stop talking about which Mario spinoffs Ian is alright with and which ones he isn't.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ubisoft-s-rob-cooper (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ubisoft-s-rob-cooper)

Listen to how he describes Wii gamers.

"Q: With regards to the Wii, Ubisoft seems to be one of the few third-party publishers seeing successful software sales. Is it hard convincing the consumer there's more to the machine that mini-games?

Rob Cooper: The success of the Wii is phenomenal in the UK. David Yarnton (Nintendo's UK MD) and his team there have done amazing work. With the software itself, you've got to get the right sort of game. It's not a hardcore machine. As it's a family-orientated machine it attracts a slightly different consumer – someone who is price savvy, someone who doesn't buy a lot of software. The other issue is the amount of games on a disc. Wii Sports, Wii Play have got ten games, so the Wii gamer sees value for money. If you look at the software on the Wii, we've got to find ways of doing better and doing more sales, because it's hard to get the casual consumer who has bought those two games and is happy with them. We've got to get them to go out and buy more games, encourage them with new titles. "

You know it's one thing to be mistaken about the kind of gamers use the Wii and the kind of games they are looking for.  But to say an OUTRIGHT LIE like this boggles the mind.  Wii owners don't buy much software?  They've bought more than the PS3 at least!  Either he's lying and insulting or he's just ignorant.  At this pouint, I don't care which.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Yoshidious on June 05, 2008, 06:09:19 PM
The big disconnect between Ubisoft's rhetoric and reality is that the Wii userbase is not only already large, but as it grows, it's only getting more and more diverse, much the same as with the DS experience. So it's just foolish to try and characterise millions of consumers who have purchased a Wii for various different reasons as one homogeneous bloc, but this seems to be what Ubisoft is saying. They assert that it is necessary to develop these kinds of games to succeed on Wii, but it is obvious from software sales that there are other ways to succeed on the platform, and also that even the low-cost casual market is not without risk of failure.

I have no doubt that there are Wii owners who seldom buy software as described in the quote above, but to imply that they are the only kind of Wii owner (or even the predominant kind) just doesn't fly. Ubisoft should be candid enough to say that they are choosing to target this particular kind of Wii owner with their lineup, rather than insinuating that they've somehow been forced into it because they're the only Wii owners out there to target. 
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: bustin98 on June 05, 2008, 06:19:58 PM
You can't have 25 million users and all of them 'casual'.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2008, 06:20:33 PM
I know I can't speak for everyone but I've purchased more games for the Wii in the year and a half since I've had it than in the first year and half of every other piece of hardware I've ever owned. Admittedly, I have more money now, but I have more bills to pay so it kind of balances out. Essentially, what that guy said is total BS. If there were more games I was interested in on the Wii, I'd probably have them already.
Ubisoft should be candid enough to say that they are choosing to target this particular kind of Wii owner with their lineup, rather than insinuating that they've somehow been forced into it because they're the only Wii owners out there to target.
Preach it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 05, 2008, 06:54:01 PM
The Wii is proof that expanding your audience and trying something unique can equal sales. Yet 3rd parties aren't trying to diversify the lineup in order to expand it, in a way it is contradictory to what has made Wii a great success. Also I agree Adrock, I've bought more games for Wii than any of my other systems COMBINED. I love the Wii lineup and there are some true gems in it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2008, 07:24:43 PM
You know it's one thing to be mistaken about the kind of gamers use the Wii and the kind of games they are looking for.  But to say an OUTRIGHT LIE like this boggles the mind.  Wii owners don't buy much software?  They've bought more than the PS3 at least!  Either he's lying and insulting or he's just ignorant.  At this pouint, I don't care which.

Yeah. The fact is that the Wii is starting to sell more monthly software than the XBox 360 (the latest American NPDs hint this strongly), and that the Wii shipped software tie ratio is stronger than the PS3s and very healthy. The only reason why it isn't as high as the XBox 360's is because the XBox 360's tie ratio is artificially inflated due to increasingly lackluster hardware sales in the U.S. market (as with everywhere else), causing a stalling and gentrification of that market segment.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 05, 2008, 09:09:22 PM
I know I can't speak for everyone but I've purchased more games for the Wii in the year and a half since I've had it than in the first year and half of every other piece of hardware I've ever owned.

QFT
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2008, 03:05:44 AM
I know I can't speak for everyone but I've purchased more games for the Wii in the year and a half since I've had it than in the first year and half of every other piece of hardware I've ever owned.
QFT

You guys already know I don't need to add my voice to the mix don't you?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: animecyberrat on June 06, 2008, 12:28:59 PM
just one more reason to hate not having any money to spend on games. I determined that the reason I stopped playing my Wii everyday was because I got tired of the 5 games I own. Anyways I made the mistake of buying Red Steel on the assumption that if it did well then it would contribute to the Wii getting more hardcore support and it didn't seam to click.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 06, 2008, 12:30:01 PM
Well guess what guys Ubisoft is going to publish a good Wii game exclusive in America and PAL  Tenchu IV (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11477693&postcount=1) Tenchu V and Tenchu VI are announced but the platform is TBA. If anyone is doubting Tenchu the original team came back and are developing it.


- main characters are Rikimaru (the white-haired guy) and Ayame (the girl)
- the story is set 1 year after the riots caused by the Witchcraft Lord "Tenrai". Some troubled activities still remain uncovered on the Gouda territory, and the forces behind these activities are starting to gain in power. In addition, another incident related to the abduction of the princess Kiku (Lord Gouda Matsunoshin's daughter) occurred in the meantime. In the end, it's up to the ninja Rikimaru, one of the most faithful Gouda servant, to investigate these incidents...
- it's basically a "Stealth Ninja Action Game", so the best key words that could describe this game's mechanics are : "Sneaking" and "Assassinating".
- the graphical production, the action, as well as every dramatic aspect have been considerably improved for this new entry. Could apparently be "the epitome of the series".
- refreshed character design, and a new set of actors too.
- the specificities of each character lie essentially in their many killing techniques, which are each emphasised with their own "assassination cutscene".
- perform various classic spy moves, such as hiding in water, climbing on ceilings and sneaking on ceiling boards, hiding in dark corners, transporting and dissimulating bodies, hiding inside the baggage of itinerant caravans to sneak inside heavily guarded places,...and many other possibilities, including moves entirely new to the series.
- Use your spy moves freely to hide yourself, collect informations, and strike when you find an opportunity ; these are, basically, the very foundations of the infiltration gameplay.
- A series of screenshots shows a special move allowing you to throw an enemy's body directly into a water pond right after killing him, thus hiding the body.
-"using various ninja tools (smoke bombs, shurikens,...) has always been one of the series strength, and this time is no different". In fact,it looks like this time around, the functionalities of these items will be based around the fact that you'll also be able to use these in combination with the Wiimote and nunchuk motion controls/pointer. We will apparently be able to learn more about about that in an upcoming issue.
- seems like the official site "www.tenchu.net" will be updated on June 7th with infos on the game.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2008, 12:46:03 PM
So Ubisoft likes distributing traditional titles, but not making them?
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 06, 2008, 12:58:41 PM
Well Kairon atleast it's support. Ubi always loves localizing things they localized a decent amount of japanese games on the 360 as well. The last Tenchu publisher in America was Activision(Sony era), Microsoft(co-published,360 tenchu) and Nintendo (tenchu DS). I know in Europe Ubi localized/published/distributed a good amount of NamcoBandai and square-enix games.

 Some conference shots for Tenchu IV (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11480304&postcount=75)

 Official Trailer LOOKS AMAZING! (http://www.tenchu.net/four/tenchu4_tokuho.asx)
 Website (http://www.tenchu.net/four/)
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2008, 01:26:41 PM
I'll say it's a good thing that Ubisoft likes localizing... but they didn't do much advertising for NMH. Hopefully we can expect more from them, in both commitment, and the number and success of their localized titles, in the future.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2008, 01:33:22 PM
I'll say it's a good thing that Ubisoft likes localizing... but they didn't do much advertising for NMH. Hopefully we can expect more from them, in both commitment, and the number and success of their localized titles, in the future.

I think that is way too much to hope for unless it is "Chinese Babyz" the game.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 06, 2008, 02:29:39 PM
DOuble post
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 06, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
I'll say it's a good thing that Ubisoft likes localizing... but they didn't do much advertising for NMH. Hopefully we can expect more from them, in both commitment, and the number and success of their localized titles, in the future.

I saw some Magazine and internet ads for NMH but not a lot of them.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 06, 2008, 02:37:54 PM
This news has me conflicted do I buy this or should I pass on this? Hmm...Well I decided that I am going to boycott all of the things Ubisoft puts their hands on.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 08, 2008, 03:04:39 AM
I went over to ubisoft's forum. The forums are closed till June 9th. My guess is that they are getting rid of all the negative posts.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: D_Average on June 09, 2008, 09:22:54 AM
I went over to ubisoft's forum. The forums are closed till June 9th. My guess is that they are getting rid of all the negative posts.

Yup, they pulled the old "turn the power off" trick.  Genius.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 09, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
I went over to ubisoft's forum. The forums are closed till June 9th. My guess is that they are getting rid of all the negative posts.

Yup, they pulled the old "turn the power off" trick.  Genius.
Yea they got rid of the forum that had that big ruckus. This is a newer low if such a thing is possible.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2008, 01:14:27 PM
EA buyout is LOOKIN' GOOD.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 09, 2008, 01:21:32 PM
EA buyout is LOOKIN' GOOD.
Don't companies buy other companies to improve their lineup not make it worse.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Or to eliminate rivals.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Arbok on June 09, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
Yea they got rid of the forum that had that big ruckus. This is a newer low if such a thing is possible.

Pretty much. I have never liked Ubisoft ever since that whole Fragdolls thing came to light... but this just further cements that they have a knack for largely underestimating consumers and are fairly inept at public relations in general.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: animecyberrat on June 09, 2008, 11:20:08 PM
So we need to digg the hell out of the Blog post and spread the word how stupid they are so people will boycott their **** and they can go out of business.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2008, 11:43:23 PM
So we need to digg the hell out of the Blog post and spread the word how stupid they are so people will boycott their **** and they can go out of business.

I agree. If Nintendo fanbois stopped purchasing Ubisoft's crap offerings for the Wii, then Ubisoft will have no revenue to develop for the PS3 and the 360, and then they'll collapse... because their Nintendo offerings (crappy as they are) are the only things they are making serious profits on.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 10, 2008, 03:00:52 AM

because their Nintendo offerings (crappy as they are) are the only things they are making serious profits on.

No they're not.  In 2007, Ubisoft made only 10% of their revenue off the Wii, while they made 20% off the PS3, and 26% off the 360.

I'll just post the data so everyone can see Ubisoft made their revenue from in 2007.

Xbox 360 - 26%
Nintendo DS - 26%
Playstation 3 - 20%
Wii - 10%
PC - 7%
Playstation 2 - 5%
PSP - 4%
Gameboy Advance - 1%


So a boycott won't effect them when they're hardly making anything off the Wii in the first place.  As long as Ubisoft keeps rehashing the Tom Clancy games into the ground like they've been doing the last several years and the PS3/360 userbase keeps buying them, they'll always have money.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 10, 2008, 03:46:54 AM
Maybe if Ubisoft actually made a traditional game like Red Steel again they could repeat their success (Just think if it was a GOOD traditional game). But that is obviously too hard to contemplate for them.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 10, 2008, 06:05:47 AM

because their Nintendo offerings (crappy as they are) are the only things they are making serious profits on.

No they're not.  In 2007, Ubisoft made only 10% of their revenue off the Wii, while they made 20% off the PS3, and 26% off the 360.

I'll just post the data so everyone can see Ubisoft made their revenue from in 2007.

Xbox 360 - 26%
Nintendo DS - 26%
Playstation 3 - 20%
Wii - 10%
PC - 7%
Playstation 2 - 5%
PSP - 4%
Gameboy Advance - 1%


So a boycott won't effect them when they're hardly making anything off the Wii in the first place.  As long as Ubisoft keeps rehashing the Tom Clancy games into the ground like they've been doing the last several years and the PS3/360 userbase keeps buying them, they'll always have money.

But Revenue and Profit are different things. PS3 and 360 games cost more to produce, and they sell for $!0 more than the Wii versions, but the Wii is much cheaper to develop for.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: KDR_11k on June 10, 2008, 09:48:56 AM
The Wii is cheaper to develop for if you compare titles of equal quality, Ubi hasn't made many high quality games for the Wii and most of their games probably had tiny budgets. The only bigger games I can think of are Red Steel and the RRR games, the rest was just cheap garbage and probably made a profit after the first 1-2k sales. Those Tom Clancy games probably cost a lot to make.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: UncleBob on June 10, 2008, 11:05:56 AM

because their Nintendo offerings (crappy as they are) are the only things they are making serious profits on.
I'll just post the data so everyone can see Ubisoft made their revenue from in 2007.

Nintendo DS - 26%
Wii - 10%
Gameboy Advance - 1%

So a boycott won't effect them when they're hardly making anything off the Wii in the first place.  As long as Ubisoft keeps rehashing the Tom Clancy games into the ground like they've been doing the last several years and the PS3/360 userbase keeps buying them, they'll always have money.

Nintendo offerings are more than just Wii Games.  There's a full 37% of their revenue right there (and I'd almost bet a larger chunk of their profit).  Not to mention, many Nintendo Fanboys also own PlayStations/XBoxes.  Some of those could, in theory, stop buying PS3/360 Ubisoft games.

Not that I'm condoning a boycott or anything, I don't think it would make that much of a difference... I'm just saying...
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: animecyberrat on June 10, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
If they are going to insult the userbase a boycott would be effective, if done effectively. What it would require is the massive number of devoted fans who ere offended by the comments to point that out to as many people as they could. But you would have to boycott all of their Wii offerings, in order for them to get the message. It would also take the said 360/PS3 owning Wii fans to pitch in.


If enough internet nerds get together and voice their opinions, big companies will pay attention, it works all the time. Ubisoft maybe dumb and thick but they can't ignore the fans if the out cry is too vocal, based on their reaction so far with shutting down the forums say they realized how vocal fans can be. If they think it will go away, they need to be proven wrong. Politicians don't get away with **** like this, they **** up there is always someone there to remind the masses of said **** ups.


But we are not talking a boycott of just Wii games, it would have to be all inclusive, Wii, DS, 360, PS3, then they would get the hint. But it would take more than a boycott, we need to remain vocal about this.

Coming out and saying the Wii is under powered or taking a shot at Nintendo is fine, whatever, but taking public shots at the entire userbase and making generalizations is dumb on all levels.
Title: Re: Ubisoft rationalizes their current support for Wii
Post by: D_Average on July 17, 2008, 12:08:12 AM
Anyone catch the Shaun White interview on G4 today?  When asked if you could make out on the ski life, Shaun immediately replied in deadpan fashion, "No, but you can snowball".....after a brief pause he confirmed the connotation by adding, "the forbidden fruit".

Classic.