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Title: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2008, 02:55:18 AM
Go Nintendo (http://gonintendo.com/?p=40601#comments) and NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273842&page=12) have broken the news on the rumored next game on the Mortal Kombat franchise, and features none other than Batman. Yes, Batman, with the Joker, Catwoman, the Batmobile, Robin, the Justice League, the works.
People are already claiming this is a very late Aprils Fools joke, but 1up said that the next Mortal Kombat game would be so out there people would think its a joke.
So if this is true, 2008 shall be known as the year fighters featured unexpected combatants from completely different universes...
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 18, 2008, 03:00:18 AM
Batman can beat anyone in the MK universe with prep time.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2008, 03:05:00 AM
What I find very ironic is that Batman would never kill anyone, even if that person happens to be a major *sshole.
Capamerica told me once that Batman was on the verge of killing the Joker because of how angry he was, but the comic ends with the two of them laughing maniacally.
It would be weird seeing him rip someone's head off...
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 18, 2008, 03:07:38 AM
That was The Killing Joke, and it makes more sense in the context of the story.
I'm guessing this is going to be a T rated game with considerably less gore.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2008, 03:10:18 AM
Ugggggggggggh, Soul Calibur, now Mortal Kombat...Except this is less painful since I don't give a crap about Mortal Kombat...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2008, 03:14:30 AM
I'm guessing this is going to be a T rated game with considerably less gore.
*GASP!
A MK game without blood and gore? Why, that means the game would be just another generic fighter with bad mechanics! 8O .
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2008, 12:51:48 PM
I'm more surprised we're up to Mortal Kombat 8 now. I stopped even paying attention after the fifth one. I think I heard of something to do with a sixth game but I literally had no idea until now that a seventh game existed.
The series just hasn't had any appeal since they went 3D with the fourth one. Mortal Kombat was never that good of a fighting game. It was playable and fun enough to hold your interest but a lot of the appeal was in the style. The digitalized sprites and gorey violence really made the game stand out. Switching to polygons made it look generic and that just exposed how meh it really was.
But then has Midway made ANYTHING worth a sh!t that didn't appear first in the arcades?
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 18, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
I will come to your house and (insert bloody threat here) of anyone who talks trash on the great and powerful Mortal Kombat. MK is *the* best fighting game series ever. If this is true, 8 will be the first MK game ever I do not play. It was never about the fighting, it was always about the story people.
Going 3D did not kill the series as some would have you believe. They did a really fantastic job with Deadly Alliance with all the different fighting styles and all the extras. Deception didn't improve on DA at all but it was still decent. Armageddon was the worst of the 3D games in that it took away from what was built up but added every character ever as playable.
I will defend the true MK to the death. But a crossover game is just stupid. IT would be ok if it was say a Midway vs DC kinda like Capcom vs Marvel but DC doesn't have enough cool bad ass characters to work for this type of game.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2008, 01:28:22 PM
What I find very ironic is that Batman would never kill anyone, even if that person happens to be a major *sshole.
Capamerica told me once that Batman was on the verge of killing the Joker because of how angry he was, but the comic ends with the two of them laughing maniacally.
It would be weird seeing him rip someone's head off...
That actually wasn't the story. If he was referencing "The Killing Joke" the story was actually not about Batman about to kill Batman, but the realization that Batman and Joker on a set path for one of them to kill each other, either he would accidentally kill the Joker, or the Joker would finally succeed in killing Batman.
The story arc had Ms. Gordon (Bat Girl) getting shot and abused by Joker, and the Joker trying to push Commissioner Gordon insane...that the Joker believed it took just one bad day to make someone go insane.
The story was brilliant, and in the end, Gordon tells the Batman to bring him in by the books, that we have to show the Joker their way works. To honor that request Batman offers to personally work with the joker to rehabiliate him into society. In which case the Joker says he can't he has gone too far, and tells a joke that perfectly describes Batman and the Jokers relationship ending in laughter.
It is one of the finest Batman stories ever written...but Batman was not about to kill the Joker.
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Post by: Crimm on April 18, 2008, 01:28:55 PM
Second Tier Comics meet Second Tier Fighting Games
Excuse me, I have Marvel vs. Capcom to play.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 18, 2008, 01:32:07 PM
I changed my mind after watching that. Count me in.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2008, 01:35:28 PM
On to the comment at hand. You know I would LOVE a great DC fighting game, that took the normal JLA members not the Supermans and such and pit them against eachother.
I do not believe they fit into the Mortal Kombat universe at all...but perhaps this story is getting mixed up and the Mortal Kombat team is actually making a DC fighter and that is all. Let's hope that is what it means.
Personally a great lineup for a DC fighter would be:
Batman Black Canary Cat Woman Wild Cat Green Arrow Robin Joker Deathstroke/Slade Huntress Karate Kid
ect.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 18, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
Didn't Batman kill the Joker in The Dark Night comic? Also I believe he killed the joker in "Return fo the Joker".
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 18, 2008, 01:51:09 PM
And in the 1989 movie.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2008, 02:01:01 PM
The movies don't count because writers of movies often times don't realize that you can resolve the issue without killing. They like to kill the villian so that it is a clean ending. But if I recall the Batman never actually killed any of the people in the movies, he just couldn't save them from their own demise.
As for the comics, I don't think Batman has killed the Joker...yet. There are several Else Worlds stories where Batman has killed the joker, but I am not aware of the Batman being killed in the actual DC universe.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2008, 02:05:46 PM
Ok, so I am hogging this thread...so what.
We were talking about the Star Wars characters being overpowering in the Soul Caliber game...but the Justice League would be even worse.
If the heavy weights of the Justice League are in the game...then really no Mortal Kombat Character should be able to win. Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, The Green Martian, Power Girl, Super Girl, Wonder Woman
All these characters are out of the league of 90% of the Marvel Super Heroes...and probably 99% of the Mortal Kombat characters.
Seems pretty one sided to me.
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Post by: vudu on April 18, 2008, 02:56:28 PM
I'm guessing this is going to be a T rated game with considerably less gore.
Kotaku thinks the same. (http://kotaku.com/381302/mk-v-dc-has-little-blood-no-fatalities)
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[A] former Midway employee has contacted us and said that he worked on the game, and that Mortal Kombat v DC features "no fatalities and little-to-no blood".
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 18, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
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Post by: Maverick on April 18, 2008, 03:20:59 PM
I concur.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2008, 03:42:56 PM
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Didn't Batman kill the Joker in The Dark Night comic?
Sorta. He almost kills him but doesn't quite. Joker teases him about not having the guts to do it and then finishes the job himself.
I also forgot to say in my last post that this crossover is dumb as sh!t.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on April 18, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
Wow Mortal Kombat plus DC, that's like double mega fail.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 18, 2008, 03:59:22 PM
MK has three elder gods in their ranks, who all would slaughter the likes of Batman, Superman, etc. I agree the idea is stupid and sorta out of nowhere, but it would be refreshing to mix things up for the MK games for once.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2008, 04:34:58 PM
Second Tier Comics meet Second Tier Fighting Games
Excuse me, I have Marvel vs. Capcom to play.
If you are not a fan of DC comics fine, but calling them a second tier company is downright silly, ignorant even! Its like calling Nintendo a second tier gaming company.
I don't read a lot of comics, but DC Comics is one of the most popular and influential comic book companies ever. It houses a lot of iconic and influential heroes in existence, including the mighty Superman and Batman, which pretty much created a hero archetype many have tried to imitate but very few come close.
Not to mention that DC comics has been around for a very long time, so calling them a second tier company is silly to say the least.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 18, 2008, 06:28:28 PM
Geez, I know what the next NWR staff movie is going to be called.
Troll Hard 2: Troll harder
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2008, 07:16:44 PM
Geez, I know what the next NWR staff movie is going to be called.
Troll Hard 2: Troll harder
Ironically, many websites have been mastering the art of trolling through various "special features" and 'top number lists".
Its ironic that the website administrators, whose one of their purposes is to prevent this type of behavior, are trolling harder than the actual angry fanboys ( lets be honest, many editors in chiefs, editors, reviewers, staff members and even game developers are really angry fanboys with a nice title and more money :) ).
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 18, 2008, 07:18:27 PM
Troll Hard with a Vengeance
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Post by: Arbok on April 18, 2008, 10:41:18 PM
Count me out. I love Batman, one of my favorite characters... but the DC universe as a whole I always found ho-hum. Never much cared for the MK crew either... *sigh* Why can't they just make another Marvel vs. Capcom game?
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Post by: Adrock on April 18, 2008, 11:03:46 PM
Batman + MK makes no sense. I hope that's just a teaser for Midway getting the rights to mkae Batman games.
Why can't they just make another Marvel vs. Capcom game?
I think it's because Activision licenses Marvel's properties now. Capcom and Activision would have to strike a deal or Marvel would have to allow the agreement with Activision to expire for another Vs. game to happen. I personally don't see either happening. Capcom barely let the Vs. SNK and Street Fighter 4 happen.
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Post by: Arbok on April 18, 2008, 11:09:37 PM
I think it's because Activision licenses Marvel's properties now. Capcom and Activision would have to strike a deal or Marvel would have to allow the agreement with Activision to expire for another Vs. game to happen. I personally don't see either happening. Capcom barely let the Vs. SNK and Street Fighter 4 happen.
I don't think it's because of Activision, as EA made their own versus game with the Marvel characters (and it sucked...) right before Activision made Ultimate Alliance. So I would wager the agreements now are not exclusive in their terms as they have been in the past, which is why Hulk and the Punisher weren't playable in either game (although the Hulk was added in for a re-release on the 360 as it appears the older agreement expired).
So I think the balls in Capcom's court if they want to... and sadly, as you note at the end there, I don't think they have much of an interest...
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2008, 01:11:56 AM
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 19, 2008, 01:05:10 PM
So far the game is said to be only on 360 and PS3 which is BS! I don't care if they game sucks or not the fact is It is MK and it should be on Wii and the no mature games on Wii BS won't cut it cuz the game is T rated. Gamespot has the details btw.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 19, 2008, 11:20:24 PM
It'll probably come to the Wii eventually - if there's a PS2 (PSP) version to port over. I've always been a huge Mortal Kombat fan, but this seems very odd to me. DC does have Batman and Superman of course...but that's about it. Marvel and DC have been teaming up off and on recently, it would be a lot better if it was MK vs Marvel and DC. Weren't the MK comics published by Image (Spawn)?
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Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on April 20, 2008, 01:08:42 AM
I've never liked seeing Batman paired with people that can shoot fireballs from their bare hands and lasers from their eyes. I don't even like it when JLA does it. There really is not smooth transition from battling sick people and/or drugs lords to going up against Darkseid. I much prefer him when he's playing Sherlock Holmes.
Off-topic: What the world needs now is Plastic Man, sweet Plastic Man. Though he'd wipe the floor with any mere fighting game character.
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Post by: Arbok on April 20, 2008, 01:39:17 AM
They were published by Malibu, who was later absorbed into Marvel.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 20, 2008, 02:28:40 AM
Great, first Darth Vader and Yoda in Soul Caliber 4, now the Justice League in Mortal Kombat 8. All that's left now is for James T Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard to be playable in Street Fighter 4.
Of course on the issue of Marvel vs Capcom, yeah it's doubtful it'll ever happen, but what Capcom should do is take the engine to make another VS series. My personal dream would be to see a Nintendo vs Capcom. I mean, after the success of Smash Bros, you'd think Capcom would be on board for such a game since it's bound to be very popular. Since the Smash Bros series has made movesets for a lot of Nintendo characters, it's also makes Capcom's job much easier since they have something to work with right away.
Yeah, this is even less likely to happen then Marvel vs Capcom 3, but that wont stop me from still hoping.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 20, 2008, 02:49:58 AM
Count me out. I love Batman, one of my favorite characters... but the DC universe as a whole I always found ho-hum. Never much cared for the MK crew either... *sigh* Why can't they just make another Marvel vs. Capcom game?
Its ironic that the statement you quoted was meant to be a joke, but through a new trailer we learned that "the works" will likely be featured in the game.
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Post by: Arbok on April 20, 2008, 03:13:42 AM
Its ironic that the statement you quoted was meant to be a joke, but through a new trailer we learned that "the works" will likely be featured in the game.
Well I figured as much, at least in regards to other DC characters, since the Batman and Subzero trailer that I saw prior to making the post used the MK and DC logos... and if they were just using Batman they probably wouldn't have used the DC logo there.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 20, 2008, 09:58:22 AM
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All that's left now is for James T Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard to be playable in Street Fighter 4.
That might actually work just based on hilarity alone.
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It'll probably come to the Wii eventually
Well I know that, but the point is like last two MK games, even getting late ports sucked. It should be developed for the Wii since it is featuring characters the Wii fan base will likely recognize and if it is T rated they cannot use the M rated games don't sell excuse.
I want it to be known that I do expect the game to suck, Armageddon and Deception both did and there is no evidence adding DC characters will fix the problem. Being the die hard MK fan that I am, I will still buy the game and enjoy what little there is to enjoy solely on my love of the MK story and characters. Marvel vs Mortal Kombat would not work because Capcom already did the VS Marvel thing and Midway would need to differentiate themselves somehow.
Still I looked them up yesterday and their stocks are just barely over $2 a share right now, they must really be hurting so I can see them taking desperate measures like this it just would be suicide to not put it on Wii.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 20, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
So far the game is said to be only on 360 and PS3 which is BS! I don't care if they game sucks or not the fact is It is MK and it should be on Wii and the no mature games on Wii BS won't cut it cuz the game is T rated. Gamespot has the details btw.
Nope Midway's excuse is that there is no Unreal Engine 3 on the Wii and Epic is too lazy to port it to the Wii, also there are a good amount of M rated games on the Wii get your facts straight before you say any BS.
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Post by: Urkel on April 20, 2008, 03:23:32 PM
I think the reason these crazy crossovers are becoming more common in fighting games is because the genre has gotten very niche over the years, so they need to pull stunts like these in order to get some attention from people other than the small group of remaining fighting game fans. This will probably become the norm rather than the exception in the future.
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Epic is too lazy to port it to the Wii
Nope. Epic hates the Wii.
See for yourself... (http://kotaku.com/381844/epics-mike-capps-reiterates-hate-on-wii)
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 20, 2008, 04:40:17 PM
So far the game is said to be only on 360 and PS3 which is BS! I don't care if they game sucks or not the fact is It is MK and it should be on Wii and the no mature games on Wii BS won't cut it cuz the game is T rated. Gamespot has the details btw.
Nope Midway's excuse is that there is no Unreal Engine 3 on the Wii and Epic is too lazy to port it to the Wii, also there are a good amount of M rated games on the Wii get your facts straight before you say any BS.
*I* never said there aren't M rated games ont he Wii so what was all that about? I was saying *they* can not use that as an excuse, so get your facts straight.
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Post by: Deguello on April 21, 2008, 12:04:13 PM
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I think the reason these crazy crossovers are becoming more common in fighting games is because the genre has gotten very niche over the years,
Maybe if your fighting game's name isn't Super Smash Brothers.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 21, 2008, 12:56:23 PM
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I've never liked seeing Batman paired with people that can shoot fireballs from their bare hands and lasers from their eyes. I don't even like it when JLA does it. There really is not smooth transition from battling sick people and/or drugs lords to going up against Darkseid. I much prefer him when he's playing Sherlock Holmes.
I don't like that either. Batman's appeal comes from the fact that he's not a superhuman, but a regular guy. There's a sense of realism in comparison to Superman that I find appealing.
I think with comics the fact that the series are all connected hurts them in a bit. Superman has always seemed kind of lame because he's so powerful. It also makes other superheroes look lame. The Flash is super fast but so is Superman so why should I care? However at that time when Superman debuted the whole appeal was that he had super powers because the concept had not been beaten into the ground yet. If he is the only human being, except for perhaps one supervillian, who has powers then it's a more unique idea. On the flip side Batman benefits from a world where no one has special powers. The fact that there's a big DC universe where powerful Superman is just one of many superhumans, and powerless Batman is kind of inefficient in a world of many superhumans, makes them less special. I think that's why I tend to get into superhero movies more because the hero is usually the only person around with special abilities. The Batman Animated Series also benefited from having Batman, Robin and occasionally Batgirl be the only superheroes to show up.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 21, 2008, 01:46:05 PM
I agree with Ian, thats one of those things I was making fun of just a couple of days ago. I read the Walking Dead, a zombie comic book. I'm glad neither DC, nor Marvel make it because then maybe Batman or Wolverine would make cameos.
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Post by: IceCold on April 21, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
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I think with comics the fact that the series are all connected hurts them in a bit.
Sorry, this may seem like an ignorant question, but are they really all connected? And if so, how?
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Post by: Mikintosh on April 21, 2008, 05:12:32 PM
I've always preferred DC Comics over Marvel (though I'm a big Spider-Man fan), but I've never bought a game featuring DC characters because 1) I've never seen flying done right in a video game, and most of the DC guys fly 2) In the case of Batman they rarely capture the right tone [Dark Tommorrow did, but the actual game was atrocious) and 3) Invariably the graphic design will suck. It doesn't have to (see all Marvel Actvision/Capcom titles), but Warner Interactive seems to never be able to get their act together.
That said, the brief teaser looks alright, but I've always hated Mortal Kombat (though it's mostly because they traded good fighting mechanics for blood, and the blood's out here) and while Batman looked awesome...that's not hard to do. Not to mention that $60 is a LOT for a fighting game, and I think I'd hesistate paying that ever for Street Fighter IV, which I'm really looking forward to.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 21, 2008, 05:17:45 PM
I think with comics the fact that the series are all connected hurts them in a bit.
Sorry, this may seem like an ignorant question, but are they really all connected? And if so, how?
Just like Marvel, they all exist in one mega universe and occasionally cross over into each others territories. DC is actually worse than Marvel at it instead of having cross over events they have a team devoted to the whole concept, the JLA.
Since comic books have been doing major crossovers between universe forever, I don't see why they shouldn't do crossovers in video games.
Ian, did you ever read the Batman vs Spawn comics? What did you think of that as a crossover?
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Post by: Arbok on April 21, 2008, 05:26:50 PM
Ian, did you ever read the Batman vs Spawn comics? What did you think of that as a crossover?
Of all the crossovers, why did you mention the one with Spawn?
Anyway, my personal favorite crossover with Batman is, without question, the pairing that inspired this short movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBRg502gz9o
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 21, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
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Ian, did you ever read the Batman vs Spawn comics? What did you think of that as a crossover?
No I haven't read it. I have mostly a casual interest in comics. I've read some big stories like The Dark Knight Returns but other than that I haven't read much. I like the really exceptional stuff but don't have enough interest to follow comics seriously. I'm like the guy who owns the greatest hits album for a band but isn't interested in the full albums.
I've never been very interested in Image comics so I know very little about Spawn aside from some general pop culture knowledge I've picked up here and there.
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Post by: IceCold on April 21, 2008, 07:58:22 PM
Wait, so that picture with all the superheroes in it - is it its own comic? Or is that just the universe? So are you saying that in a Batman comic some other random character will just appear and become part of the story?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2008, 08:23:25 PM
Super Kombat Justice Brothers Ultimate Friends League
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 21, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
Not usually in Batman comics no, but Batman will show up occasionally in other comics and they mix and match just like Marvel does. The difference is the Justice League is like the best of the best for DC and instead of having super hero teams like Fantastic Four or the X-Men they just take whoever they have lieing around and throw them in the mix.
Ian, did you ever read the Batman vs Spawn comics? What did you think of that as a crossover?
Of all the crossovers, why did you mention the one with Spawn?
Anyway, my personal favorite crossover with Batman is, without question, the pairing that inspired this short movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBRg502gz9o
Because out of all the crossovers this is the most like that one. To me it is really no different than seeing the Caped Crusader combat the spawn of Satan as it is seeing him combat escapees from the Netherworld. Combining MK and DC is probably the lamest idea ever, but it is such a contrast that it might turn out to be a good idea. I loved the Batman vs Spawn crossover, not as much as I liked the Superman vs Alien deal thought hat was fantastic.
Ian, did you ever read the Batman vs Spawn comics? What did you think of that as a crossover?
No I haven't read it. I have mostly a casual interest in comics. I've read some big stories like The Dark Knight Returns but other than that I haven't read much. I like the really exceptional stuff but don't have enough interest to follow comics seriously. I'm like the guy who owns the greatest hits album for a band but isn't interested in the full albums.
I've never been very interested in Image comics so I know very little about Spawn aside from some general pop culture knowledge I've picked up here and there.
I never cared for anything Image did, I was a die hard Marvel fan during the defection of all those so called industry loyalists and felt their leaving as a betrayal therefore boycotted everything they did for the longest time. It was actualy the Batman vs Spawn crossover and the Maxx showing up on MTV that got me to rethink my anti-Image sentiments.
I am more than a casual reader though, I am as into comics as I am video games and tend to play most every comic book themed video game I can with a few exceptions. I never did actually read the Batman vs Spawn deal just because it happened during my anti Image days, but I remember the impact it had on the comic book industry at the time.
I guess being MK is my favorite video game series and I am a hard core comic fan for the most part, I tend to not see this as anything but fan service and maybe a chance to fix the faults of the recent installments of the MK franchise. But then again I am one who still enjoyed Special Forces and Mythologies despite their flaws.
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Post by: Arbok on April 21, 2008, 10:51:14 PM
The difference is the Justice League is like the best of the best for DC and instead of having super hero teams like Fantastic Four or the X-Men they just take whoever they have lieing around and throw them in the mix.
Which is kind of what the Avengers have become for Marvel, since that team had Captain America, Spider-man, Iron Man and Wolverine all on the same front. Or did (RIP Cap, and the civil war split after). To that effect, at least DC avoids the over usage problem Marvel has with their teams, in particular Wolverine on X-Men, Avengers and X-Force (although that new team looks quite good, since it's small at only four members and with a darker edge).
Combining MK and DC is probably the lamest idea ever, but it is such a contrast that it might turn out to be a good idea.
To me, what makes a crossover work is an unlikely pairing that feeds off each other. Each brings something to the table and the end result is distinct. It's that reason that I love Batman vs. Predator, as the latter brings a dark edge but one that fits in the confines of Gothem and the end result is one hell of a ride.
In this case, the two are an unlikely pairing... but I don't see their respective mythos feeding of each other. But hell, that's my views from a story angle. From a video game angle, I don't really care just as long as I enjoy the characters involved, which is why I loved the more or less story-lacking Marvel vs. Capcom and Capcom vs. SNK games.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: animecyberrat on April 21, 2008, 11:06:25 PM
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Which is kind of what the Avengers have become for Marvel, since that team had Captain America, Spider-man, Iron Man and Wolverine all on the same front. Or did (RIP Cap, and the civil war split after). To that effect, at least DC avoids the over usage problem Marvel has with their teams, in particular Wolverine on X-Men, Avengers and X-Force (although that new team looks quite good, since it's small at only four members and with a darker edge).
Yea except that Avenger is their only team that does that, DC they only have 2 main teams, and both are the same concept.
I don't mean to sound condescending I love a lot of the DC characters just as much as the Marvel ones. I just was trying to paint a picture for Ice cold.
The worst crossover in the comic book history would be a tie between Archie showing up in The Punisher and Spider-Man showing up in Transformers. Although with Archie and Punisher it worked like you said, as a contrast, but with Spidey showing up in Transformers was just wrong in every way. Not that I didn't buy the issue and love it at the time but it seriously made me question the editors at Marvel at the time.
Maybe this will open the door for a Marvel vs DC videogame in the future, that would be cool.
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Post by: Arbok on April 21, 2008, 11:18:38 PM
...and Spider-Man showing up in Transformers. Although with Archie and Punisher it worked like you said, as a contrast, but with Spidey showing up in Transformers was just wrong in every way. Not that I didn't buy the issue and love it at the time but it seriously made me question the editors at Marvel at the time.
Which time would that be? ;) Way back when he was still in the black suit, or do you mean the recent Avengers/Transformers thing?
Anyway, from what I understand, the Transformers are supposed to be part of the Marvel Universe... or at least were, as during the Secret War some of their enemies were briefly seen. Hell, Death's Head from the Transformers line, who was an original Marvel creation in those books, was given his own comic run after it.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: animecyberrat on April 22, 2008, 08:59:43 AM
During the time when Marvel had Transformers they were at liberty to do with the characters as they pleased, hence why they did so many GI Joe tie ins, although also being Hasbro owned had something to do with that I would imagine. The newer comics are not published by Marvel at all so any crossovers between Marvel characters and Transformers would be the equivalent of the Marvel vs DC crossover or similar cross universe crossovers, like this MK vs DC game.
Hasbro has gone on record and said that Transformers exist in their own universe out side of the Marvel mythos and only the Marvel created characters belong to Marvel which is part of the reason certain characters do not get updates because Hasbro does not own the rights. I forget which ones specifically but there are a few Marvel created Transformers that Hasbro has to get permission to use when they want them. I haven't kept up on the newer comics since Dream wave did the first War Within and their early G1 stuff. That is aside from the mini comics that come with the toys.
Oh and I was referring to the original TF series, issue 2 or 3 I think it was. It had black suit Spider-Man fighting the Decepticons in their mountain base but I don't remember many details. The UK comics are a different story, they had a different writer and editors than the US comics for the first part of their life and were considered a separate line for a while until Marvel brought Simon Furman over to do the US comics then they started merging the two into one consistent series. Prior to that Budiansky and Furman had different takes on the mythos and took each in totally different directions.
I look at it like this, the comics, toys, and cartoons each exist in their own universe but are a part of the same mythos just not interconnected. BW and the latter stuff usually tends to follow that same logic in that the comics and cartoons usually differ slightly from each other as well as picking and choosing what parts of Transformers past to keep and what to re-write.
Wow... seriously long off topic post, sorry I got carried away.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: ShyGuy on November 22, 2008, 03:45:14 PM
Mortal Bumpbat! I think this is the newest thread for the game.
Anyway, played it last night on the PS3 and I enjoyed it. Enjoyed it more than Soul Calibur 4. Dpad and analog stick control actually works, and the combat (Kombat) was fun but simple. Batman is the best character of course. I just wish they had included Jonny Cage.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: bustin98 on November 22, 2008, 07:16:18 PM
I've been wanting to rent the game, but its been out since release on both systems.
The last fighting game I bought was Soul Calibur 2, and that was mainly for Link, so I really don't want to buy the game.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 23, 2008, 12:27:25 PM
The game is pretty awesome, the T rating, however, sucks.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 24, 2008, 01:00:36 PM
I saw the commercial this weekend. I rewound it and watched it frame by frame because something looked odd to me. It was the way the characters hit each other, or rather, the way they never actually touched each other. The Joker apparently got launched into the air by the air pressure of a punch at one point, and the Flash is telekinetic now. Wait, two characters did touch one time, when Raiden (is that his name?) flew through his opponent before the hit detection figured it out. I know this is fairly common in 3D fighters, but it looked particularly wrong to me in this case.
Also, they showed Batman getting beaten up several times in the commercial. Everyone knows that's statistically impossible.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: Morari on November 25, 2008, 11:02:55 AM
I'm pretty sure that just about anyone could beat up Batman... He doesn't even have any powers after all, just a utility belt.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2008, 05:46:44 PM
STOP SPREADING FALSEHOODS. Batman can beat anyone with prep time, it's scientific fact.
the cool thing is Batman never loses a match in the DC story mode. You switch from character to character and you're playing as the Flash when you face Batman. After you win the match, Batman hits the Flash with a taser and takes him back to the lab. Later when you are playing Joker you fight Batman again. He again tasers his opponent in the cut scene. In the next to final battle, you are Superman vs. Batman. In the subsequent fmv, Batman talks Supes down from his Kombat rage infection to make him back off then he sends him after the end boss.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 25, 2008, 11:25:10 PM
I saw the commercial this weekend. I rewound it and watched it frame by frame because something looked odd to me. It was the way the characters hit each other, or rather, the way they never actually touched each other. The Joker apparently got launched into the air by the air pressure of a punch at one point, and the Flash is telekinetic now. Wait, two characters did touch one time, when Raiden (is that his name?) flew through his opponent before the hit detection figured it out. I know this is fairly common in 3D fighters, but it looked particularly wrong to me in this case.
Also, they showed Batman getting beaten up several times in the commercial. Everyone knows that's statistically impossible.
The character models in MK vs. DC are pretty damn bad. They are extremely stiff, lacking any fluid whatsoever. Of course, the MK series was never about realistic physics and animation.
I can't wait to rent the game, if the videostore owner decides to bring it of course.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 26, 2008, 12:45:31 AM
That's animation - the character models (aside from say Sony and Catwoman) are fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Batman wins...FATALITY?!? Mortal Kombat 8 to feature Batman???
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 29, 2008, 03:53:44 PM
Finally rented the game and played through both stories in story mode:
- Is it just me, or does the gameplay feel like classic MK? I know the gameplay has barely evolved from the arcade games, but the removal of multiple fighting stances and gimmicks make it feel like a down to Earth version of MK, making it almost feel like the first MK game. Again, this might just be me...
- The story mode in MK vs. DC might be the best out of all the story modes in past games. First, you actually get to play as the characters rather than a generic character going through a series of mundane events and missions. The story is a little silly, but explains how the universes merged and why everyone felt like beating the crap out of each other. I heard that it was penned by one of DC's writers, so that explains why everything fits so well and feels like a crossover comic.
- I'm somewhat disappointed with the extras. As convoluted and gimmicky the extras were in the past games I really enjoyed unlocking animatic videos, sketches, extra characters and costumes. I thought a game like MK vs. DC would merit a lot of content, especially with the franchise it is dealing with. On the XBL Marketplace you can download videos of the making of the special edition comic and the game cover. Why couldn't we have gotten those videos as extras in the game. But on the other hand it gives the game a more "down to Earth" feel to it, with little gimmicks (save for the crossover of course) out of the way.
- The Joker is AWESOME in this game. To me, he is a mix of Cesar Romero's Joker and Mark Hammill's Joker (I think he does the voice for this game as well...). His scenes with the MK characters are the best in the entire game, if only because the MK characters can't comprehend his persona.
- My 360 is set to Spanish. What really funny is that the announcer actually pronounces the names of the DC characters in perfect Spanish (for example, in Spanish the Green Lantern is called "Linterna Verde". When he wins, the announcer actually says his name in Spanish). I thought it was both a surreal and clever attention to detail, acknowledging the character's presence in foreign markets.
- The main menu is awesome. I love how the battle between Scorpion and Batman plays out while you switch between menus.
- I must say, the games does look better running on my TV than on low res online footage. I still think the characters are a little too stiff and don't animate as well as they should, but still look good.
- Finally, I must give props to Midway for using the DC Heroes license very well. They got the most out of the license and the dedication to the characters, the locales and the story shows. This is unlike Namco who haphazardly added Star Wars characters without a proper storyline or logic (then again, I am sure that while MK vs. DC was planned from the start to be a cross over fighting game Namco added the Star Wars characters at the last minute).
Overall, it was a really solid game with presents both universes in a great light, fighting feels classic and the story is worth going through once. I say rent, though, because its pretty barebones regarding extra features and modes and unless you have friends or a Gold account you might grow bored playing it single player.
