Community Forums => I'M BACK => Topic started by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 02:30:27 AM
Title: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 02:30:27 AM
Sorry about the delay. I was busy getting into an arguement with Golden Phoenix in the Oscar. I wrote a long rebuttal. Anyways, when I was done, I clicked reply and I got message saying that I had new private messages in my box. There was also a notice that more people had posted while I wrote my response asking if I wanted to still reply. Unfortunately, I was clicking my messages to see the new pm's that I got and so I lost my entire message. Thus, I have no story for the day thread nor do I have my long post. The old forums never asked if I wanted to reply after hitting reply.
So, I'll just have to post the story later. For now, I'll get this game back on the road.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 02:34:39 AM
Details:
Oohhboy killed in the vote. Oohhboy was a townie.
Dasmos was killed by the Mafia and the Bounty Hunter. Dasmos was the Jedi Master. Since the Bounty Hunter did out the hit on Dasmos, he will still collect any points Dasmos had in case anyone is wondering.
Voting ends at Midnight EST. First actions are due at 11:00 pm EST. Last deadline for some actions is 12:30 EST.
The Senator has a new bill, D-4. It's in point form so here are the points:
This bill will give the Senator Force Rebound powers.
It will allow the townies to be able to vote to protect someone at night.
It will the allow the player with Force Balance to be able to switch his ability to 'Double force insight' meaning he can perform two investigations if he chooses to do so.
The senator would also to ask the townies if they'll bargain with him to reveal his identity if they will guarantee his safety, and to ask the bounty hunter to please only attack those who have not voted.
Bill D-3 was narrowly rejected yesterday.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: ShyGuy on March 07, 2008, 02:36:46 AM
VOTE Shifty The Hutt
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 02:36:55 AM
It was a scam. What did I say? It was a scam...
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 07, 2008, 02:40:37 AM
:-\ sucky
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 02:59:02 AM
I'm gonna up and say this: Shifty said he was the investigator. He told us who Crimm was, and then he said Atrun Zala was the gambler. At this point, it's difficult to believe that, and instead, we should question if AZ is mafia or not. This should be investigated tonight.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2008, 03:27:52 AM
Ok townies, we need to talk.
Right now we just lost our last protector. So the townies need to find the remaining mafia and fast.
My decision to bandwagon on oohhboy obviously backfired. Given it wasn't from an investigation but from instinct, I should have researched more. We can either argue and point fingers now and help the mafia or do it at the end of the game.
I don't care if you guys want to vote me out. There are others who know about what I've been up to and will vouch for me, but in the end its majority rule.
I only ask that you look hard at people who haven't been voting. Due to the lack of a minimum vote rate, I'd look at those who have been voting less than once per day.
I'm going to draw up a list of people who should come under suspicion. I suspect the mafia (among others) will use this as an excuse to eliminate me.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 03:57:20 AM
I hate to say this, but I think we should mock vote for our safety, so we can't get force choke.
At 10:00 pm EST, we should all vote out the winner of the mock vote.
Italicize the vote: mock vote khush for example.
Edit: I'm going to ask the bounty hunter to do what the senator said to do. We know who you are, so if you do this, we'll let you live for a while. If you don't we'll make sure you die.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Kairon on March 07, 2008, 04:23:10 AM
Argh! A setback! ... ARGH!
I still trust Shifty though.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Plugabugz on March 07, 2008, 04:57:21 AM
So why not force balance shifty instead?
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2008, 05:03:49 AM
I've had people advising me to lay low about today's events, but instead I've compiled a list of people who should be looked as being mafia or neutrals. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to help the townies win.
KashogiStogi - I knew you were mafia last time around. Your zero votes total doesn't help answer questions about your alleigances.
nickmitch - Same thing as Kashogi. Sure, you've been posting. But its the empty, shallow posting that occurs when you want to detract attention from you.
Nuclearspeed - No votes from him either. I was quite impressed with the hit on Wandering on Day 1, but now that you don't have your powers I guess things have changed a lot.
Plugzabugz - No votes from you.
Toruresu - haven't really noticed you this game. No votes either.
DAaaMan64 - I know we've talked a lot this game, but I can't help but notice you haven't voted either. That just strikes me as strange, given the information you've receieved.
darkheart - your only vote was late yesterday and it was for oohhboy (his fate was sealed by then). And I haven't dealt with you much today. What stuck out to me was the Day 1 exchange between DAaaman and Dasmos when he said that you'd stick up for DAaaMan.
Disclaimer: This is conclusions which have come from my data and have been combined with instinct. As I said yesterday, use your judgment. These are the people who have not been participating and you should be asking why.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Plugabugz on March 07, 2008, 05:06:39 AM
Choosing not to do anything is still a decision to do something.
A decision to do nothing is a poor decision
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2008, 05:19:21 AM
After talking to oohhboy about the events that have transpired, I've realised those PMs came from a dupe account masquerading as oohhboy.
This is the account: http://nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=10564
Note how it has zero posts and was registered yesterday
I'm seriously pissed off at this.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Plugabugz on March 07, 2008, 05:19:50 AM
It may be. It may not. Townie power isn't needed yet because everyone has been rather unified (for a change!). I didn't want to incite the bandwagon again, plus the timezones are a real bitch.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 05:20:39 AM
That works. We take his power, and then we wind up with whatever ability he has. This would prove his innocence or guilt, and we would benefit from it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Kairon on March 07, 2008, 05:29:22 AM
How does mock vote prevent the force choke, exactly?
I see what thatguy is talking about. Its a way of indicating our votes without registering them officially.
If they were official votes, then they'd be open to the "Force Choke" effect.
I guess Khush will step in here and confirm or deny this.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 07, 2008, 08:10:52 AM
Can we confirm the Duplicate Accounts were used. That is against the rules completely. No Duplicate Accounts Period, if it is a rule breakage I want Khushrenda's ruling on the activity. And be it Townie, Bounty Hunter, or Mafia...I want action against it.
I knew changing our names was a bad idea.
Or, where do we go from here, can we even trust our alliances we have so far? You guys do what you want...but I do not know if I will follow band wagons anymore this game.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Darkheart on March 07, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
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darkheart - your only vote was late yesterday and it was for oohhboy (his fate was sealed by then). And I haven't dealt with you much today. What stuck out to me was the Day 1 exchange between DAaaman and Dasmos when he said that you'd stick up for DAaaMan.
Well that is an easy one, there has been no reason for me to vote. Every time I check whats going on, the townies have convicted someone new and the votes are always outrageously 10 to 1. My vote won't change any of that. I have kept quiet because it seems like every game I have played I start yapping my mouth and before I know it I'm voted off AND I am ALWAYS a townie role. Granted before the reset I was a townie worth 2 points but that has come and gone. I am now a 1 point alien townie. No one has contacted me but Thatguy and most of his pms were sort of joking around pms, nothing serious. I am very out of the loop with who's who. Oh wait, and Shifty you pm'd me as well but that was for that poll you were sending around to everyone. If Dasmos and Daaman claim I'd stick up for them, then I'd seriously start looking their way because I haven't had contact from either source. Go ahead and vote them both off, I am not going to stick up for them at all~!
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 07, 2008, 10:06:10 AM
DAaaMan64 - I know we've talked a lot this game, but I can't help but notice you haven't voted either. That just strikes me as strange, given the information you've receieved.
Last two days haven't needed my vote to kill who I wanted dead. So I didn't vote. If it were borderline, I would have voted. But the last two days definitely haven't been close.
And wouldn't mafia want to vote in a way that makes them look townie? If the vote is landslide one way, I could vote for Crimm just to make myself look innocent.
Lastly, that whole ordeal from day one was just a set up so I could find another townie I could talk to and trust, that was Dasmos. Everything you've told me Shifty, has been bullshit.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Toruresu on March 07, 2008, 10:11:40 AM
Wow, day 4 huh? I've lost my internet conection at home, so I use the one at work, usually just checking the Talkback (think I posted there 2 days ago?), but totally forgot about this Mafia game /cry /apologize. Let me read the other days, the rules and then I'll try to be more active.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: nickmitch on March 07, 2008, 11:51:55 AM
Sorry about not posting. I've been really busy with job interviews and presentations, among other things. But, I'm back in this. I just need a moment to think.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 03:30:20 PM
I haven't heard anything from Kashogi, so I'll go with him today.
un-mock vote Kashogi
Here's the thing. When it hits about ten PM, someone needs to calculate the mock votes, and then we all need to change our votes to the same person. I promise I'll go with whatever earns the majority, but this is necessary for the stop the force choke.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: NuclearSpeed on March 07, 2008, 03:48:31 PM
With the way the votes the last two days late comers did not need to vote since they haven't been close, and of course that first day is always a crap shoot, which in the end seemed to work all right.
My guess for one of the two mafia members would be bustin, only because of the different vote on day 2 so mock vote bustin
I am open for some collaboration for I am out of touch with the force currently. Let's hear some wild and crazy theories.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 07, 2008, 04:05:54 PM
mock vote Kashogi
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Athrun Zala on March 07, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
I'm gonna up and say this: Shifty said he was the investigator. He told us who Crimm was, and then he said Atrun Zala was the gambler. At this point, it's difficult to believe that, and instead, we should question if AZ is mafia or not. This should be investigated tonight.
then, Shifty can be trusted, because he's completely right.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 04:23:16 PM
Oh good. Rulings. Yeah, the mock vote idea will work. As I stated in the rules, you are supposed to bold your vote so if it isn't bolded or in this case, is in italics then it won't count.
As for the dupe account, part of me wants to send kudos out to however came up with that one. That was a clever idea and really screwed over oohhboy. I find it wierd that oohhboy himself never said anything about those messages not coming from him.
Still, dupes are against the rules. Perhaps we can all remember back to one game where someone created an account called The Mole and tried to name off some remaining mafia members so that their mafia would be the only one left.
I'll ask a mod to look into it and see what happens from that. I will say that in this case, the dupe didn't exactly give away anyone's identity. They just took one person and framed them so I'm not sure I'm going to exact a heavy punishment. Like I said, oohhboy really didn't do much to defend himself and it was Shift Key who brought the evidence forward. It wasn't like everyone was sent this message. You choose to believe what you saw.
I guess this is a good lesson to be careful who you are talking to. PM's seem to be having a greater effect this game and causing more error. As well, there seems to be a fake Khushrenada account out there also so be aware of that too.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Kairon on March 07, 2008, 04:28:35 PM
WAIT, Khush, are you saying that there will be NO actions taken against the dupe? I want the duper to be DEAD!
Oh, and I'm throwing my chips in for this mock vote bit:
mock vote DAaaman64
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: vudu on March 07, 2008, 04:44:15 PM
I agree; it's bullshit if you let something like this slide. It's completely against the rules you created (http://nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=24224.0).
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If you are not dead and wish to tell the players in the game a message, you have a couple of legal channels to do so. One, you can post this information in the voting thread or two you can send a private message to players. You can not, however, create another account and use it to hide your identity while giving out information. If you want to say something, you must accept the responsibility of saying it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 07, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
WAIT, Khush, are you saying that there will be NO actions taken against the dupe? I want the duper to be DEAD!
Oh, and I'm throwing my chips in for this mock vote bit:
mock vote DAaaman64
LOL I sincerely and earnestly promise I am not mafia.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
mock vote darkheart
EDIT: I like thatguy's thinking - kashogi hasn't posted today.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 06:33:15 PM
I'm going to go ahead and switch my mock vote. There's better suspicion for this guy.
mock vote darkheart
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 07, 2008, 06:41:50 PM
Yeah, the thing with the dupe isn't that he ruined the game, by spilling the beans, is that he broke a rule, and could have done so in several other ways. Basically this is a game about trust and reading people. So the one constant should be at least knowing you are talking to and receiving PMs from is actually that person.
If you don't want to kill the dupe person, then I think they should be exposed for their role and let us take him out. That wastes one of our votes and turns, but it isn't immediate...and it would allow them potentially to use their abilities one last time, or to protect themselves.
This is just my reasoning.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: oohhboy on March 07, 2008, 07:22:24 PM
Although I am dead, I feel this is the appropriate place to shed light on what I know from my end.
The last PM I sent was on the 4th, before the reset to Lando. I didn't really bother defending myself because I thought it was a photoshop and that my death would lead to death of a Mafia member in such a wanton and blatant move. Also the fact by the time I logged in that day it was pretty late and there was little I could do. Neither shifty or me were aware that dupes were possible at that point in time since previously it wasn't an issue.
It wasn't until shifty had contacted me via MSN was the dupe uncovered. Even then I was gunning for his death until he explained that he received actual messages. It quickly occurred to me he got hit with an Ethan Hunt and it was beautiful. The only mistake he made was that he made it a one shot deal and didn't go all out on a false flag information campaign.
Feel free to edit me it this isn't the place for this.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Plugabugz on March 07, 2008, 07:37:02 PM
I been meaning to catch up and send a few PM's but my glasses kinda exploded earlier. Now that i dont have those or my contacts reading a monitor is really hard on my eyes. I won't be about properly until i can get things sorted out.
mock vote kashogi
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
Khush, if the bill passes, can townies protect someone tonight? It looks like there's not much of a chance for it to be vetoed.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Pale on March 07, 2008, 09:14:09 PM
vote wandering
Ugh, smash has made me not pay attention to this game enough... :(
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: NuclearSpeed on March 07, 2008, 09:18:58 PM
hey are we playing over the weekend?? I don't think that has been discussed.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Darkheart on March 07, 2008, 09:31:44 PM
Why is everyone mock voting me? If Shifty is the investigator why cant he examine people we think are mafia and then kill them. Why do we have to kill me off first to realize I am alien.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: that Baby guy on March 07, 2008, 10:11:20 PM
Alright, so the mock vote went this way:
Darkheart: 2 Daaman: 1 Kashogi: 1
Also, Shyguy voted for Shifty, and Pale voted for someone who is already dead.
So, I guess that means that Darkheart lost the mock vote, so vote Darkheart
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Kairon on March 07, 2008, 10:31:07 PM
I guess it's time to make my vote real:
vote Darkheart
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 07, 2008, 10:34:13 PM
Vote Pale
Just Because.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 07, 2008, 10:55:30 PM
I'll go along with the group's decision, but I've got a bad feeling about this, and I don't know why.
VOTE DARKHEART
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
We'll do a double sized day for the weekend. The next day will be posted tonight but it will last until Sunday evening so it will go through Saturday and Sunday. Giving it a bit more of a casual air to match the spirit of the weekend.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 10:59:07 PM
Khush, if the bill passes, can townies protect someone tonight? It looks like there's not much of a chance for it to be vetoed.
Bills go into effect at the start of the next day.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
As for the dupe account situation, I'm not letting it slide. But I did just want to mention that since the situation was not one that ruined the game the penalty is not going to have to be so great to rebalance the game. There will be a penalty but I'm just waiting for the person responsible to respond to the message I sent. Once I learn more about why it was done, I'll inform you with what I intend to do. It may be dealt with privately and swiftly. Like I said, I'll know more how I want to preoceed once I learn more about why it was done.
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 07, 2008, 11:58:04 PM
vote darkheart
Title: Re: Star Wars Mafia: Day 4. Endor
Post by: Khushrenada on March 08, 2008, 12:34:37 AM
Well, I should have closed the voting. Sorry about that. Have some guests over right now and am trying not neglect them or this game. I'm the host with the most....est something something.
Darkheart is clearly today's victim.
Night actions are in. Thank you. I'll post the next day soon.
