Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: walkingdead2 on February 29, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
Title: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on February 29, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
so there have been 3-4 games announced for wiiware so far. and i was just wondering what people were expecting in the future. personally i think this is a great platform for company's to test out new franchises on the wii without spending a butt load of money.
we keep hearing about how no one makes any money on the wii except for Nintendo, but this could be just the thing to kind of reinvent the wheel so to speak. for instance we know that there are hard core games out there that cant find publishers because of the business model that most company's are taking with the wii. and where as most of those projects are probably dead in the water this is a golden opportunity for a capcom, konami, take 2, etc, to put a small team together and make a game. if it sells well that's all the proof they need to go ahead with a full project. really if the cap is 40 megs then it can be done for ruffly the budget of a ds game.
just wondering what kind of games people want from wiiware. as well as what you expect.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 29, 2008, 02:26:43 PM
Capcom and Konami could get a kick in the nuts into making better titles if they feel threatened by the success of indie WiiWare titles.
Or they won't change at all, or they'll shove their own advertisement-backed CrapWare onto the service.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 29, 2008, 02:27:55 PM
I expect a few quality games and not a ton of shovelware that makes Live Arcade look like God's gift to gaming.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Nick DiMola on February 29, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
I'm looking for independent games. I'm hoping the Wii is used as an outlet for independent PC games, where the Wii remote can be substituted for the mouse. From some of the bigger companies, I am hoping for new unique IPs that take some risks, do some crazy stuff and feel out the waters. I think if the barrier of entry is low enough for Wii Ware we can expect some reinvigoration of the game industry with some new unique ideas from nobody's that have no current affiliation with the industry.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on February 29, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
yea see that's the thing this is going to be so cheep to do indie developers and small publishers can take the risk. i understand that this probably will never be as good as xbox live arcade or any thing. but with a unique controll scheme and the right idea the risk wont be as great as making a full fledged game.
i would also love to see something in the vein of an episodic rpg. that would be pretty cool you know. i love rpgs but sometimes 50 hours of game play can turn me off. but on the other hand an episodic 10 hour rpg would be perfect.
i know I'm asking for something i will probably never get but at this time were still months away from the first game's to be released.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Armak88 on February 29, 2008, 02:48:00 PM
I expect that there will be a handful of games that are good and worthwhile that I won't be able download because I have no room :(
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Crimm on February 29, 2008, 03:03:29 PM
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Post by: darknight06 on February 29, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
That game's only 500 points, and to me it looks interesting. I'd get it.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 29, 2008, 04:56:08 PM
Major League Eating: The Game to debut as WiiWare (http://gonintendo.com/?p=36686) IGN's article (http://wii.ign.com/articles/856/856016p1.html?RSSwhen2008-02-29_114400&RSSid=856016) And after a few promising indy games here comes Mastiff with their first contribution as WiiShovelWare.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 29, 2008, 05:00:31 PM
Crap is inevitable. There's no way to avoid it. Nothing is sacred enough that it will avoid being hit by crap, and WiiWare is no exception.
Right now I expect the service to be very rock solid. Some of the showcased titles look very promising and far more unique than anything released on the Wii so far, like the Lost Winds game. Even stuff like Pokemon Ranch and pOp! could turn out to be very fun to play.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 29, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Crap is inevitable. There's no way to avoid it. Nothing is sacred enough that it will avoid being hit by crap, and WiiWare is no exception.
Right now I expect the service to be very rock solid. Some of the showcased titles look very promising and far more unique than anything released on the Wii so far, like the Lost Winds game. Even stuff like Pokemon Ranch and pOp! could turn out to be very fun to play.
I thought Pokemon Ranch is supposed to be a pokemon box for Diamond and Pearl.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: darknight06 on February 29, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
You know, at the right price this sounds like it could be entertaining. Once again I don't see what the problem is, granted not everything on WiiWare is going to be a winner but damn stop dragging stuff through the mud before you ever get to see what something actually is.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Kairon on February 29, 2008, 06:58:59 PM
Awesome. I'm expecting awesome.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on February 29, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
i got to say as far as casual games go i really want to play the eating game. i love watching it on espn cause i never get tired of proof of why most other countries hate us Americans.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Kairon on February 29, 2008, 08:20:23 PM
Well, actually, I'm totally hyped for WiiWare. I mean, what games do we know about so far?
Final Fantasy: MLaaK Pop! Castle Defender World of Goo Major League Eating Some unknown Telltale Games game That austrian Medatronics game Star Soldier R Lost Wind Dr. Mario Pokemon Farm
...ummm... I'm gonna need to save up some more money.
But the way I see it, Wiiware will be a great place to be for a lot of more flash-type games and content, simply because of the economics. Some XBLA titles are big, but most probably gross only 200,000 or 300,000 I guess, so that's not enough for a big multi-person team, or loads of content. We should probably expect smaller game scopes, less game content on wiiware, hopefully balanced by innovative designs and mechanics that are larger than the sum of their parts.
You know what game would go great on WiiWare, by the way? A port/clone of The Incredible Machine. Oh yeah. So awesome. So simple yet so awesome.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 29, 2008, 08:25:31 PM
Well, actually, I'm totally hyped for WiiWare. I mean, what games do we know about so far?
Final Fantasy: MLaaK Pop! Castle Defender World of Goo Major League Eating Some unknown Telltale Games game That austrian Medatronics game Star Soldier R Lost Wind Dr. Mario Pokemon Farm
...ummm... I'm gonna need to save up some more money.
But the way I see it, Wiiware will be a great place to be for a lot of more flash-type games and content, simply because of the economics. Some XBLA titles are big, but most probably gross only 200,000 or 300,000 I guess, so that's not enough for a big multi-person team, or loads of content. We should probably expect smaller game scopes, less game content on wiiware, hopefully balanced by innovative designs and mechanics that are larger than the sum of their parts.
You know what game would go great on WiiWare, by the way? A port/clone of The Incredible Machine. Oh yeah. So awesome. So simple yet so awesome.
I think Kairon just copied and pasted all the games coming out onto WiiWare. Most of those will probably be terrible, especially with little to no filtering to keep the crap out, it will be like the Wii garbage software times 1000.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Kairon on February 29, 2008, 08:28:02 PM
T_T
You're such a troll GP! &P
Well, I'm prob gonna avoid the Nintendo titles. But I'm pretty much 100% sure that Castle Defender will be one of my most anticipated purchases.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 29, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
Well, I'm prob gonna avoid the Nintendo titles. But I'm pretty much 100% sure that Castle Defender will be one of my most anticipated purchases.
You make me sad sometimes. :(
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: MaryJane on February 29, 2008, 09:27:19 PM
I'm looking forward to the FF game, Lost Wind, and Castle Defender. If games like these come from WiiWare we should try to be a little optimistic here. Of course there is going to be crap games on there, there on crap games on discs and the VC too.
As a side note, I think when it launches there should be a seperate forum for WiiWare, so we can do seperate threads for each game, spread the word on good ones, and craptastic ones alike, discuss upcoming releases and so on. It's like the Wii had it's first natural baby. (obviously the VC was adopted)
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 29, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
Well, actually, I'm totally hyped for WiiWare. I mean, what games do we know about so far?
Final Fantasy: MLaaK Pop! Castle Defender World of Goo Major League Eating Some unknown Telltale Games game That austrian Medatronics game Star Soldier R Lost Wind Dr. Mario Pokemon Farm
I think you mean "Platchen" (or "Twist and Paint" if I am not mistaken). That's the one being made by the Austrian company. Also, when you say "Medatronics", I think you mean "Gravitronix".
And Golden, while I did say that there will be crap on WiiWare its unfair to say that ALL of it will be crap simply because they are being made by small, indie developers.
We should ALL just reserve our judgment till the said games are released. Up until then, no game is fantastic nor they are bad.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 29, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
Well, actually, I'm totally hyped for WiiWare. I mean, what games do we know about so far?
Final Fantasy: MLaaK Pop! Castle Defender World of Goo Major League Eating Some unknown Telltale Games game That austrian Medatronics game Star Soldier R Lost Wind Dr. Mario Pokemon Farm
I think you mean "Platchen" (or "Twist and Paint" if I am not mistaken). That's the one being made by the Austrian company. Also, when you say "Medatronics", I think you mean "Gravitronix".
And Golden, while I did say that there will be crap on WiiWare its unfair to say that ALL of it will be crap simply because they are being made by small, indie developers.
We should ALL just reserve our judgment till the said games are released. Up until then, no game is fantastic nor they are bad.
We'll see, so far I see a bunch of games that look like they are low-budget flash games. Beyond FF, I don't see anything that looks that good, and even FF may turn out to be average (Not to mention it didn't start out a WiiWare game).
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on March 01, 2008, 12:44:58 AM
yea actually ff did start out as a wii ware game. there are 2 of them in development. one a normal wii game and the other a wiiware.
so suck it.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2008, 07:11:31 AM
I'm hoping for some japanese indie devs to go for the Wii instead of the PC. Of course, most of the games are just uninspired clones but I'd still rather see shmups and Megaman clones than bejewelled clones.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: MaryJane on March 01, 2008, 07:42:18 AM
I'm hoping for some japanese indie devs to go for the Wii instead of the PC. Of course, most of the games are just uninspired clones but I'd still rather see shmups and Megaman clones than bejewelled clones.
Whiich of the games are uninspired clones? Castle Defender looks completely reworked, and although I think Major League Eating looks stupid, I think we might be surprised by the controls. If done right the game could be fun, although I probably still wouldn't get it.
I'm not trying to hate, but you haven't played any of the games, don't be unreasonably pessimistic, at least say YOU THINK the games are uninspired clones, don't label them without playing them, or at least gathering more info, cuz both FF, and Lost Wind look like they could be amazing to me, with Castle Defender offering a good time wasting distraction.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
Did you consider that there might be a connection between the two sentences in that post?
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 01, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
From what I'm hearing Platchen and FFCC (http://thewiire.com/news/1192/1/Crystal_Chronicles_WiiWare_North_America_Release_Price_Revealed) WiiWare games will be 1,500 points each.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on March 01, 2008, 03:51:57 PM
as long as the games are under 20 bucks i will be happy. some need to be cheaper than others but for the most part the AAA wiiware games need to be under 20.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: MaryJane on March 01, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
We'll see, so far I see a bunch of games that look like they are low-budget flash games.
There happen to be some low budget flash games that I would LOVE to see fleshed out, just so you know. Alien Hominid was still one of my last best times on the GC. And I've seen some amazing concepts in WarCraft III or even StarCraft maps where the gameplay is so compelling that they're begging to be given independent releases.
Heck, I think I'd pay good money for a decent Cat & Mouse game... or a game of Kodo Tag.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2008, 07:20:53 PM
I was looking forward to Crystal Chronicles until I found out what kind of game it is. Not my cup of tea.
I expect WiiWare to give us some solid titles. It might be a good alternative to all the garbage coming to retail. I don't expect Nintendo to release anything like a new 2D Mario or Metroid since they could just package it as a DS game and charge $35.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: darknight06 on March 02, 2008, 07:37:00 PM
I bet you the DS game in a case like that would be more expensive to produce though. They could do that, but I would think it's the Wii that would get boosted up more by a proposition like that than the DS would. What's the limit, 64MB? New Super Mario Bros wasn't even that.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Kairon on March 02, 2008, 07:52:17 PM
I'm actually quite interested in this FF WiiWare game. I mean, have you never wondered what it's like to be on the oither side of a quest? To be the king, the ruler, the person who has to sit back and send heroes out to die to clean up your messes? Anyways, I hope it isn't nearly as random as sending out characters on explorations in FFT was.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Sessha on March 02, 2008, 07:54:18 PM
You just have to deal with the heroes grieving widows.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
I bet you the DS game in a case like that would be more expensive to produce though.
Maybe. Nintendo generally doesn't spend a whole lot on development which works incredibly well for them. Spend a little, make a lot. Nintendo could easily make New Super Mario Bros. 2, for example, for WiiWare. They'd probably make more money on DS, but you're right, the Wii would benefit far more from something like that.
I don't think memory is an issue either. Super Mario 64 was what, 16MB? Ocarina of Time was 32MB. People gave Nintendo crap for using cartridges, but if you ask me, they did a lot with what they had. I think the same principle applies here. 512MB isn't a lot of space, you could fit some decent sized game on there (even with a 64MB limit). On top of that, if you look hard enough, you can get SD cards cheap. I got a 2GB card for $20.
I'm hoping for great things on WiiWare and I think there's tons of potential here, if devs are willing to put forth the effort. What I'm really looking forward to is a return to a time when gameplay was the most important part of a game. That's really what's going to sell these games because there isn't enough room to fit tons of voice acting or CGI. Again, I look back to the N64 when developers (well, mostly Nintendo themselves and Rare) did a lot with a little.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: craigie on March 02, 2008, 08:49:23 PM
I think this is dumb as Zelda wii has no editor. and I bought wii just for Zelda
The remote is nice but man a pain to get tone, all the time and I used like 3 sets of batteries to play Zelda id rather have a power cord
All Mickey mouse games were a dream can be made...can look at it as a joke or the fact people will see your work. It will keep every 1 on there tows,
I think wii is very raw and needs to be sharpened up!
sorry u got more than i exspected
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2008, 08:51:26 AM
What?
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: walkingdead2 on March 03, 2008, 11:47:16 AM
the n64 used cartridges so it would be easier to fight piracy. don't believe any other reason any one tells you. that's also why the game cube had the smaller disks.
but to be honest the more i think about it I'm betting that wii ware is going to have a big boom of sales at launch... then trickle off a little. but by this time next year were going to see a steady stream of games coming in that are... top notch. (as far as wiiware games could go.
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 06, 2008, 02:00:51 AM
Well I thought I'd bump this and say it looks like my pessimism was WAY off. Now that I've seen many of these games in action I cannot be anymore excited for Wii Ware which looks to blow Live Arcade out of the water. It will probably make me broke when I buy all these games. So you can laugh at me, because I think it is safe to say I was WRONG (Thankfully).
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2008, 12:05:34 PM
"what are we expecting out of wiiware"
better games than Brawl
Title: Re: what are we expecting out of wiiware
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 07, 2008, 12:58:16 AM
