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Title: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: *EN on February 25, 2008, 05:26:22 PM
:D Hello!
I thought the character development they have put into to Daisy would be enough to have her as a playable character in the game and not just a Peach costume change. Does anyone know why Daisy is not a playable character?
*EN
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 25, 2008, 05:29:44 PM
They pulled her after the Hawtness thread was pulled.
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Post by: Caliban on February 25, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
Maybe our resident Daisy stalker might be able to answer your question.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2008, 07:16:15 PM
Nintendo is an organism of despair that has earned its widespread mainstream success at the price of providing basic functionality and software variety to its core audience. Its success is mostly attributed to its ability to tap into new, virgin audiences and NOT attributed to fixing its past problems.
Case in point: (1) No live storage functionality is included in Wii. SD cards are only standardly used for slow, cumbersome save file backup methods. Save files and Wii downloads have to compete for the same onboard flash memory space, while $20 2GB SD are out in the market and are not being taken advantage of, while Nintendo screwed everyone good during the GameCube era with $30 Mem Card 251's
(2) Nintendo did NOT make Super Smash Bros. Brawl. They paid a defector to make it. Shows how much they care about its franchises when 3rd party enemies get to make an appearance instead of its own treasured characters (Daisy).
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Post by: Mikintosh on February 25, 2008, 08:50:32 PM
If anyone's going to take the original question seriously, it's probably for the same reason Waluigi didn't make the cut; what could she do that Peach wasn't doing already? She's only in sports games and Peach already has a racket and golf club.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Smoke39 on February 25, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
What could Wolf do that Falco couldn't do that Fox couldn't do?
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: LuigiHann on February 25, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
I think Dasiy would make a fine clone of Peach. Although as I think about it, her speed and weight might not be different enough to be interesting. I still think it would have been nice to have her as an all-out costume change instead of a pallet swap.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2008, 05:18:33 PM
(2) Nintendo did NOT make Super Smash Bros. Brawl. They paid a defector to make it. Shows how much they care about its franchises when 3rd party enemies get to make an appearance instead of its own treasured characters (Daisy).
I agree with this sentiment (save for the Daisy part). What annoyed me the most about Brawl's roster is that Nintendo, Sakurai and his team are sitting in a goldmine. Nintendo has a rich history of characters and games. At first I thought Nintendo might run out of characters to use in future games, but I saw Sakurai's list and was stunned at how many characters there were. True, some of them were filler and completely useless, but overall, the excuse "we couldn't come up with anything" is useless.
Fans may say "But some characters are old! We don't care about them! They are not popular". To me, SSB is a celebration of all things Nintendo, so it shouldn't matter if a character is too new, obscure or nearly forgotten. I personally would not have cared if Sukapon or Takamaru came from old Japan only games, I would've welcomed them with open arms. Who knows? Maybe their inclusion would've sparked interest in fans and Nintendo have two more franchises to milk further.
But alas, the roster is finished so there's no point in talking about it. Hopefully, if SSB 4 is ever made they hire a new director and think things through.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 26, 2008, 05:32:02 PM
Fakepost or not, I agree with it. Its as simple as that.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2008, 05:46:15 PM
1. I don't think there's anything fake about what Pro wrote. Humor is only anger with its makeup on.
2. Sakurai and Nintendo didn't part on the best of terms, and the "Iwata Asks" interviews have a very detectable undercurrent of animosity between the two men, particularly when Iwata reminds Sakurai that Iwata was his boss for a while.
As for Daisy's exclusion, I think she'd have made an interesting Peach clone, so long as they gave her the treatment they gave Falco and Wolf, not the treatment they gave the 'Dorf again.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2008, 06:08:37 PM
Not to mention that Sakurai's statement that the final roster is only a fraction of the planned one along with the deleted character files found in the game it leads me to believe that the roster was going to be more than what we have, so can you blame me if I am suspicious and indifferent towards it?
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2008, 06:37:18 PM
I don't envision Daisy as a Peach clone AT ALL. The only similarity would be the fluffy dress costume, but we cannot forget the fact in recent times she's been most recognizable as a spunky daisy-duke-wearing athlete with a personality (and gameplay feel) whose ferocity that Peach cannot match.
I remember in the original Smash Bros, Captain Falcon was a sort of skeletal clone of Samus' basic moveset. Fast forward, and think "Daisy is to Peach" as "Captain Falcon was to Samus": less floaty, more speed, more impact, more straightforward.
Peach already has a golf club/racket/pan/herpes? Big fucking deal.
Let Daisy carry a club/racket at all times (allow them to switch?). Let her have that extra reach to express the extra effort and power (brutality) she'd display over Peach in Mario Power Tennis. Let her tap into the personality of the Mario Sports universe Ninintendo has been re-hashing-re-milking all this time. Hell, let her be the Casey Jones of the game (homeless vigilante warrior ftw). Inundated with sword fighters already? Hell, add a sports girl a Bad Girl into the mix.
Lucas, Dorf, Ike, Wolf, Falco, blah -- It's sickening to see Sakurai aimed to fill the roster with clone pairs. Dorf, Pichu, Lucas, Young Link seemed to be introduced for the sake of functionally cloning the original roster. It's WORSE that he went ahead to bring Ike despite already having Marth & Roy, and Wolf despite Fox & Falco (my Captain Falcon will have to personally BBQ all these StarFreaks over WiFi).
The supposed "deleted character" roster doesn't improve my opinion of what Sakurai "originally planned for the roster", either. It's just more clones or obscure/underdeveloped Nintendo history.
Daisy was a missed opportunity.
Enjoy your top tourney matches and your top 20 YouTube vids featuring StarFox characters for a 2nd generation in a row, bitches.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2008, 06:42:17 PM
I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2008, 06:44:36 PM
The funny thing? On another forum that I frequent to a member suggested Daisy as part of the Brawl roster. Everyone laughed at him, saying that she is nothing more than a Peach clone. When we said that Daisy has an unique personality from Peach and could work as an unique character they laughed EVEN HARDER and flamed us to hell and back...
I agree that Daisy has a very sporty and spunky attitude, while Peach is elegant, demure...and ditzy. The way I see it, Daisy is to Peach what Luigi is to Mario; characters that are considered nothing more than clones of better characters but are really more than what they seem.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2008, 06:47:32 PM
Daisy would've helped alleviate the fact that Brawl continues to be a complete and total sausage-fest.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
"I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier."
You won't have to worry if I'm the top player. But you should try hard too.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2008, 06:52:07 PM
"I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier."
You won't have to worry if I'm the top player. But you should try hard too.
This is the reason I am going to try and main Wario, Kirby, Yoshi and Ganondorf (despite his clone aura), because I've seen VERY few people use them in online videos. Its always the FE pretty boys, Metaknight or the Space animals.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2008, 06:54:52 PM
It's always that way cuz they're the cheapest characters. They play for victory over other boring clones (in-game and real-life).
I play with a dedication to chaos.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 26, 2008, 06:59:08 PM
You know, I played some different characters than I expected to. I thought I was gonna play a lot of Pit, but I started hating him right off the bat. I started playing Metaknight a LOT, and even Ike, even though I mostly just trash talk other Ike players for picking baby's first scrub character
Peach's final smash rules and definitely causes a lot of yelling and groaning from your opponents, it rules
lol "cheapest characters" lol
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Super Smash Brothers BLOL
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Mikintosh on February 26, 2008, 07:33:18 PM
2. Sakurai and Nintendo didn't part on the best of terms, and the "Iwata Asks" interviews have a very detectable undercurrent of animosity between the two men, particularly when Iwata reminds Sakurai that Iwata was his boss for a while.
Wow, reading into things much? The accompanying pictures seemed happy enough, and the boss comments were going back and forth and were just to refer back to their working together in HAL (it was also to rationalize having an interview with Sakurai in the first place, as unlike the other Iwata Asks subjects, he wasn't a current employee of Nintendo). They seemed to get along pretty well in the interview, really.
Geez, if they really didn't like each other, Sakurai wouldn't have come back to make Brawl in the first place. He'd just founded his own studio; he wouldn't have put that on hold for over two years for a company he hated, even if they offered him a big ol' moneybag (and I don't know if they did).
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Eh, I know what you're saying, but Nintendo would much rather have him as a development house connected to the company than a 3rd party they need to license out for.
They didn't want the father of Kirby leaving any more than they'd want the father of Mario leaving.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2008, 12:38:33 AM
I think Nintendo would be a little more distrought if Miyamoto left the company....
And, if anything, I see Iwata inviting Sakurai to direct Brawl as an act of respect for a former employee. Here's Smash Bros., go nuts and make it however way you want. If Sakurai left Nintendo/Hal on not so great terms, this project certainly seems like a meding of bridges.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: *EN on February 27, 2008, 09:24:20 AM
I agree that Daisy has a very sporty and spunky attitude, while Peach is elegant, demure...and ditzy. The way I see it, Daisy is to Peach what Luigi is to Mario; characters that are considered nothing more than clones of better characters but are really more than what they seem.
I totally agree with your Luigi to Mario statement. I truly belive that to be how it is!
XD
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 27, 2008, 01:39:30 PM
To eleborate even more on the Daisy character in the Mario Universe.
Daisy perfectly compliments Luigi like Mario compliments Peach.
Peach is elegant, alittle ditzy and demure...but she is also trusting and very caring. She needs a hero...someone to "look over her" not because she can't do anything on her own, but because she is just too trusting and doesn't have the level headed street smarts.
Daisy is a rough girl. She is a Princess in name only. She wants to adventure and she won't take crap from anybody. Luigi being bashful and shy needs a strong woman to kick his ass...and they work together as a good team.
I would have loved a seperate Daisy character to further elaborate on these differences, but oh well.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: darknight06 on February 27, 2008, 02:15:45 PM
She would've ended up a clone of Peach, better if she wasn't there.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 27, 2008, 02:31:25 PM
Daisy will be a playable character when Waluigi is one as well. Which means never, or at least Smash Bros 5.
One thing you all have to remember is all the characters in Smash Bros are the imporant characters to the main series they're representing. Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser are the most imporant character in the Mario series and are all apart of all the main games, going back to the original.
Daisy was some character that appeared at the end of Mario Land and was then forgotten for the next 10 years. Hell the only reason she was even revived is because she was the only character that would make a great partner for Peach in a Tennis game. This is why they had to create Waluigi because Wario had no parter that could exist. After that they just decided to use both character for the rest of the Mario spinoffs.
Why else does anyone think that Daisy never appears in any of the Mario Platformers. Where was she in Mario Sunshine, or New Super Mario Bros, or Mario Galaxy? Or where was Waluigi in Wario Land 4, Wario World, or all the Wario Ware games?
Until Smash Bros include minor characters which it won't do until at least the fifth installment when they run out of main characters, secondary characters like Daisy will not be playable. There's a reason the original Smash Bros in Japan was called Nintendo All-Star Dairantou Smash Brothers. Some of you guys need to FINALLY realise this because Smash Bros, has always been and always will be about the most important characters from the top franchices with a few classic characters thrown in for fun.
And before anyone say, but Wolf isn't important to Star Fox, shut up now. Since Andross is just a floating head, he can never be playable. And since Andross can't be playable, who would be second on the Star Fox villian list, Wolf. And since Wolf can be turned into a playable character he represents the main villian of the series, giving him the same important to his series that Bowser, Ganondorf and King Dedede have to theirs.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 27, 2008, 03:11:29 PM
Until Smash Bros include minor characters which it won't do until at least the fifth installment when they run out of main characters, secondary characters like Daisy will not be playable. There's a reason the original Smash Bros in Japan was called Nintendo All-Star Dairantou Smash Brothers. Some of you guys need to FINALLY realise this because Smash Bros, has always been and always will be about the most important characters from the top franchices with a few classic characters thrown in for fun.
I disagree. Yes, the game may be called "Smash Bros. ALL STARS", but simply because its called that it doesn't mean that they can't add supporting, new or obscure characters. Like I said, the game is basically a love letter to Nintendo from Nintendo. The company is rich in characters and history, so it wouldn't hurt for them to dig deeper into the vaults and pull out new characters and bring them into the spotlight.
To think that some characters only deserve to be in the game as just a trophy or sticker is insulting to their legacy. I agree that not every single character can be a fighter, but many of them are and are just as important as the main cast.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2008, 04:16:19 PM
I disagree as well. What about Jigglypuff? She's not important. Come to think of it, neither is Pikachu. The Japanese love him and he was made a star in the anime. In the grand scheme of the series itself, they're just popular Pokemon and that's why made the roster. It took 3 games to get Trainer in there and he was the avatar of the player. The Pokemon he used are far more representative of the series, since in Red/Blue you had to choose 1 of the 3. Pokemon Yellow was made in response to his popularity, after Pikachu gained popularity.
And honestly, Luigi has always played second fiddle. He was never that important. He was in Mario games so that there could be a Player 2. He did disappear for quite some time (if I remember correctly, he was MIA in SM64) until Luigi's Mansion, only appearing in spin-offs like Mario Kart/Party etc. In that case, Daisy is totally fair game.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 27, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
Can anyone argue with a straight face that Ice Climbers are somehow important to...well, anything?
Also, add Pit to the list of "hasn't done anything in 10 years".
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2008, 05:33:10 PM
Well, I think LuigiDude's point is that the characters represented in the Brawl roster are important to their respective franchise. Therefore, Pit is important to Kid Icarus and Ice Climbers to (duh!) Ice Climbers. Kid Icarus has Palutena and Medusa (if she counts) too, but Pit is the main guy.
The argument against Daisy here is that completely unimportant to the Mario series because she was in one Mario Land game and spinoffs. I don't agree with the sentiment, but I think that's what he means.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 27, 2008, 05:56:05 PM
Handheld Mario games are important.
*sigh*
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 28, 2008, 03:56:10 AM
Well, I think LuigiDude's point is that the characters represented in the Brawl roster are important to their respective franchise. Therefore, Pit is important to Kid Icarus and Ice Climbers to (duh!) Ice Climbers. Kid Icarus has Palutena and Medusa (if she counts) too, but Pit is the main guy.
The argument against Daisy here is that completely unimportant to the Mario series because she was in one Mario Land game and spinoffs. I don't agree with the sentiment, but I think that's what he means.
Yes this is exactly what I mean. Of course you had to go and call Luigi non important in your one post didn't you, well here we go.
And honestly, Luigi has always played second fiddle. He was never that important. He was in Mario games so that there could be a Player 2. He did disappear for quite some time (if I remember correctly, he was MIA in SM64) until Luigi's Mansion, only appearing in spin-offs like Mario Kart/Party etc. In that case, Daisy is totally fair game.
Even though Luigi was Player 2, A LOT of people played the Original and Bros 3 in 2 Player Mode. Without Luigi the series wouldn't have been Super Mario Bros in the first place. Yes, Luigi was missing throughout the mid to late 90's, it still doesn't diminish the important he had in Bros 1,2,3 and World. And so there's more main Mario platformer games that Luigi was apart of then ones he wasn't.
Plus he's recently become very important again since he was playable in both New Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Galaxy. Daisy on the other hand is only known for her role in the spinoff's since she has only been in one Mario platformer which even though it's sold very very well, it's not remembered as well as Bros 1 or 3.
Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser are the 4 characters that make the Mario series These are the Mario characters everyone knows and remembers. Plus these are the 4 characters that have appeared in the most Mario games and have played the biggest roles in them. When you hear people talking about Mario, it's one of these four or Yoshi, but he's already in Smash Bros under his own series anyway.
Plus if they did use another Mario character they'd use Bowser Jr. before Daisy. After Sunshine, Nintendo has given him a major role in all the main platformers as well as spinoffs which is better treatment then Daisy's ever gotten. Even though he's a horrible little bastard that needs to die, right now he's much higher up in the series importance list.
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Post by: wandering on March 01, 2008, 12:08:23 AM
But alas, the roster is finished so there's no point in talking about it. Hopefully, if SSB 4 is ever made they hire a new director and think things through.
I'm saving this quote and showing it to you when Nintendo decides to give the next smash game to the same people who made Star Fox Assault.
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Post by: Darkheart on March 01, 2008, 04:19:15 AM
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Post by: LuigiHann on March 03, 2008, 05:03:58 PM
(http://www.brawlcentral.com/images/trophy/mario/striker_daisy.jpg) OH HI http://www.brawlcentral.com/content.php?p=trophy/mario/striker_daisy
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Post by: Arbok on March 03, 2008, 07:01:55 PM
There's a reason the original Smash Bros in Japan was called Nintendo All-Star Dairantou Smash Brothers. Some of you guys need to FINALLY realise this because Smash Bros, has always been and always will be about the most important characters from the top franchices with a few classic characters thrown in for fun.
I disagree. We know Plusle and Minun were both seriously considered for Brawl, and neither is a major character in any game in the Pokémon franchise. To that point, Pichu and Roy are also exceptions, as both were included in Melee more because of their currentness in a particular franchise than the role they played.
I disagree as well. What about Jigglypuff? She's not important. Come to think of it, neither is Pikachu. The Japanese love him and he was made a star in the anime. In the grand scheme of the series itself, they're just popular Pokemon and that's why made the roster. It took 3 games to get Trainer in there and he was the avatar of the player. The Pokemon he used are far more representative of the series, since in Red/Blue you had to choose 1 of the 3. Pokemon Yellow was made in response to his popularity, after Pikachu gained popularity.
Pikachu is not very predominant in the main series, outside of yellow, but he makes a name for himself in spin off games, like Hey You Pikachu, and is often seen front and center for these.
Jigglypuff... yeah, she was never important. I think her popularity (going from a survey, she is the second most popular Pokémon in the states) is actually due to her being a fighter in Smash Bros.
So, consequently, I think her inclusion doesn't bar any "secondary" characters from showing up in sequels. However, she was largely the original "WTF" character, whose mantel was then handed over to more historical figures in Melee (Game & Watch) and Brawl (ROB).
And honestly, Luigi has always played second fiddle. He was never that important. He was in Mario games so that there could be a Player 2. He did disappear for quite some time (if I remember correctly, he was MIA in SM64) until Luigi's Mansion, only appearing in spin-offs like Mario Kart/Party etc. In that case, Daisy is totally fair game.
I can't see that statement holding any water considering his HUGE role in the handheld Mario RPG series, which is even known by the Mario & Luigi marquee.
Plus if they did use another Mario character they'd use Bowser Jr. before Daisy. [...] Even though he's a horrible little bastard that needs to die ...
Truer words were never said...
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 04, 2008, 12:19:43 AM
But alas, the roster is finished so there's no point in talking about it. Hopefully, if SSB 4 is ever made they hire a new director and think things through.
I'm saving this quote and showing it to you when Nintendo decides to give the next smash game to the same people who made Star Fox Assault.
There's a difference between hiring a new director and outsourcing to a third party. And technically, Brawl was outsourced. First, it was developed by Sora, Sakurai's personal development house, not by Hal, who developed the first two SSB games. Then, Miyamoto gave him the team behind the Grandia series, an RPG company. Finally, the game runs on the Havok engine, a third party game engine.
So, save for Sakurai a lot of people outside Nintendo worked on the game, and its now being hailed as the best game ever...
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 04, 2008, 01:35:36 AM
Ganon is so important he has an obscure racers moves! Seriously I sometimes wonder if there was much logic to picking characters, especially after the first game.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 04, 2008, 02:27:31 AM
Ganon is so important he has an obscure racers moves! Seriously I sometimes wonder if there was much logic to picking characters, especially after the first game.
Ganondorf isn't a clone of Captain Falcon. Captain Falcon is, and has been all along, what Ganondorf transforms into after acquiring the Triforce of Speed.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: wandering on March 04, 2008, 02:31:08 AM
But alas, the roster is finished so there's no point in talking about it. Hopefully, if SSB 4 is ever made they hire a new director and think things through.
I'm saving this quote and showing it to you when Nintendo decides to give the next smash game to the same people who made Star Fox Assault.
There's a difference between hiring a new director and outsourcing to a third party. And technically, Brawl was outsourced. First, it was developed by Sora, Sakurai's personal development house, not by Hal, who developed the first two SSB games. Then, Miyamoto gave him the team behind the Grandia series, an RPG company. Finally, the game runs on the Havok engine, a third party game engine.
So, save for Sakurai a lot of people outside Nintendo worked on the game, and its now being hailed as the best game ever...
If it's being hailed as the best game ever, why do you want the next game to have a new director?
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 04, 2008, 02:35:15 AM
Ganon is so important he has an obscure racers moves! Seriously I sometimes wonder if there was much logic to picking characters, especially after the first game.
Ganondorf isn't a clone of Captain Falcon. Captain Falcon is, and has been all along, what Ganondorf transforms into after acquiring the Triforce of Speed.
Lol. Oh yeah in regards to why I think the series needs a new director is because I think Sakurai has taken the series as far as it can go under his leadership. A new director could bring a fresh new perspective (and hopefully more of a focus on the fighters themselves). Brawl is probably the best Sakurai can offer, I think he has crafted a game he is pretty much completely proud of, which is why someone new should be brought in to branch off from the foundation Sakurai perfected.
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2008, 10:27:04 PM
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Arbok wrote: Pikachu is not very predominant in the main series, outside of yellow, but he makes a name for himself in spin off games, like Hey You Pikachu, and is often seen front and center for these.
So, like Daisy? Isn't that the whole point of the Daisy argument?
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I can't see that statement holding any water considering his HUGE role in the handheld Mario RPG series, which is even known by the Mario & Luigi marquee.
Mario and Luigi came out after the original Super Smash Bros. The point here is that by the time the original released, Luigi was mostly seen in spin-off titles. How was he more relevant than, say, Wario? I guess maybe they were playing off the whole Super Mario Bros. thing which would easily justify Luigi as a selectable character.
In any case, I'm not anti-Luigi so much as I'm pro-Daisy. I like Luigi as a selectable character in Smash Bros. (in fact, far more than Mario). I think Daisy would make a great roster addition. And whether or not Daisy ever makes it into a future Smash Bros. roster has little to do with the relevance of her character and everything to do with time constraints. Why do we have Wolf? It's not because he's important to the Star Fox franchise, even though he actually is important to the franchise. He's in the roster because they needed to half-ass a character.
Title: Re: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection?
Post by: Arbok on March 04, 2008, 11:12:51 PM
So, like Daisy? Isn't that the whole point of the Daisy argument?
So Daisy appears front and center on the cover of Mario games that are outside of the main series? As it turns out, Double Dash is the only cover where Daisy even shows up on the front of, as she's paired with Peach. Pikachu, on the other hand, is a driving force in marketing the spin off titles... after all, how many spin off games in the Pokémon franchise do not feature Pikachu in any way on the cover?
So comparing the two on that basis is really not apt, as people don't associate Daisy in particular with the spin off titles the way they do Pikachu for the Pokémon ones.
Mario and Luigi came out after the original Super Smash Bros. The point here is that by the time the original released, Luigi was mostly seen in spin-off titles.
True, but he had taken center stage in a game already, which is more than most of the Mario characters can tout (although Wario was far more relevant at this time, as you note). So *shrugs* perhaps someone was a fan of Mario is Missing, or more than likely Sakurai (being 19 years old when he entered the industry, so he's not all that old) was far more impacted with the original Super Mario Bros. and hence Luigi ...although I like Mario is Missing theory more. ;)
