Post by: Spak-Spang on December 22, 2007, 03:41:14 PM
Almost Sir. Day 6 was a long, lazy day. After a week of being forced to expose yourself and going to work. You know, we all have days jobs, because Christmas is once a year. We all walled ourselves in to protect ourselves.
But that didn't keep people from talking, or rather texting each other. As we explored what was going on...we decided Athan Zala must be guilty...and last minute we all decided to do something about it. Before the day set and night began we ran with our pitch forks and took care of him, Resident Evil 4 Wii edition style. Sure it isn't a holiday themed death, but really we need to promote great Wii games for sale...so Resident Evil deaths work.
So moving on, we realized that the Mafia was still moving towards their goal of total control, and as we were killing AZ, Someone stalked sleeping Patchkid and Zack and Wikki-ed him to death. Poor Patchkid didn't even see it coming.
DEAD:
Athan Zala - Townie
Patchkid - Townie
And with that Mafia took a commanding lead over the Townies.
Hey, I miss calculated. Sunday still needs to occur, because the Townies can still win.
Post by: Zach on December 22, 2007, 03:41:52 PM
we call it quits here usually, the killer and the bomber are dead, and the townies have lost. There's no point
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 03:43:53 PM
p.s. khush give me a kick back for handing you the win, ok.
Post by: Zach on December 22, 2007, 03:45:19 PM
Imma just gonna dig here a little bit
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Originally posted by: stevey
VEDETTA!!!!
F@#$ idiots all of you. Pale has been proven wrong after 18 was the killer I've been proven I was good gah, do any of you townie have any long term memory's of the events that happen barely a day ago! Pale was proven wrong after trying to save 18 after and only after I called him out proving that he was mafia try to keep extra kill. I hope all of you idiots lose horribly and the bomber wins!!!
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Originally posted by: stevey
I ask you that yesterday and you call it unreasonablr me a mafia! when 18 could have been the kill or townie. But when I could be the investigator or mafia even though I was proven it sounds fair to you, your the worst mafia liers ever!!!! and no forgiveness to those who fell for this bull
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 03:49:20 PM
and pale reasoning was bull, "don't vote me I good just conjoined to a mafia member vote the investigator"
Post by: Zach on December 22, 2007, 03:50:01 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 22, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
So technically The townies could still win, if they play a perfect game. Sunday will continue the game.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 22, 2007, 03:54:08 PM
EDIT: Whoops. I see you removed 18 Days. It's Patchkid you forgot to remove from the Alive list.
Players remaining should be:
Crimm
KashogiStogi
Khushrenada
Nuclearspeed
Pale
TVMan
Post by: Khushrenada on December 22, 2007, 04:02:40 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 22, 2007, 04:05:03 PM
I just fixed everything.
Ok. Tie goes to Mafia.
So the game is over.
The Mafia wins so now it is a new vote. Vote for who you believe deserves the win the most. Of all the Mafia player.
Khushrenada- The Brother role turned Mafia whom just wanted to protect his sister...which he did, so he gets bonus points for keeping her alive.
TVMan- The Second Godfather, whom after Bustin98's untimely death proved he too could lead a Mafia
KashogiStogi- The Loyal Mafia Goon that stood by his team's side to the very end.
Thatguy- The Mafia member on vacation who died prematurely
Bustin98- The original Mafia Godfather whose talk got him in more than a little trouble.
18 Days- The killer who has no loyalties and therefore is a wild card for the prize.
All those eligible for the prize can argue in this thread for why you should win. And all those who participated in the game can vote. However, you can not vote for yourself at all. So please everyone take time to help decide the ultimate winner.
This Poll will end Monday around 3:00pm. So you have plenty of time. Remember to bold your vote just like a normal day.
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 04:08:49 PM
vote stevey as a honorary winner that handed your win....
Post by: Zach on December 22, 2007, 04:17:19 PM
Post by: Pale on December 22, 2007, 04:18:28 PM
Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list.
Post by: vudu on December 22, 2007, 04:26:09 PM
Post by: Crimm on December 22, 2007, 04:28:50 PM
I started to suspect something was amiss here two days ago, but he got me 18 days. I shouldn't have relied on that, because the death of 18 days was a benifit to everyone who ISNT 18 days. Vote Khush
Note: Anyone that doesn't vote khush today is doomed to die tomorrow.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 22, 2007, 04:41:37 PM
Oh, and I could pretty much tell the story of what happened, though I wasn't too involved, for me, it was pretty easy to see what happened.
My vote goes to Pale. Without him, the mafia couldn't have done it. No, really. Had Pale spoken up about Khush's betrayal, he would have been able to collect the townies together to figure everything out. But, Pale, afraid of something I can't put my hands on, did not. See, Khush took secret option B right away to join the mafia as a mole. with the conditional that Pale would find out as soon as the investigator, a Mr. stevey, had investigated him, I believe.
Stevey investigated Khush day one. So, Pale knew about Khush for basically the entire game. What's more, Pale wouldn't have been killed by the mafia had the secret gotten out. Why? Because the mafia wanted Khush alive, since I was to be gone, he was certainly, beyond any shadow of a doubt, going to be the mafia's strategist, even if he was known as a mafia member. Sure, his word meant nothing to the townies, but they wouldn't have voted out Khush so they could keep Pale alive. After all, what good is a mafia member when everyone knows who he is? In theory, there's not much he could do. So basically, all I'm saying is that after the killer was dead, Pale had no reason to withhold his info, but chose to anyways. At worst, he would be voted out and Khush would die, and his sacrifice would probably lead to townie victory. At best, everyone would steer clear of both Khush and Pale, stevey would investigate Pale, and the story would officially "check-out" and the townie players remaining would be able to congregate together, or at least the few roled players would have.
Anyways, there are some serious clues out there that Khush was a mole, and most of you didn't really pick up on any of them until it was too late. Too bad.
For allowing our victory, I'd like to vote Pale. His silence gave us the win. If I can't do that, I've narrowed my vote between Khush and TVman. I didn't talk to them after I died, really, so I don't know who did more. My guess is that Khush did, just because he lives to win, but TVman is much more clever than he may appear, so I'm not deciding between either yet.
So, can anyone tell me the odds of the bomber being voted off day one, under the condition that the vote is just random? Low, right? The same for any other specific role, I think for this game, the chance would be 1/18, but I don't remember for sure.
Now, can anyone tell me the odds that the bomber is voted off on day one when he's posting messages saying he's the bomber, posting threatening messages, and the like? Even lower. Who would vote away someone that might kill them on day one? Isn't that fishy? Isn't it strange that the person Khush "randomly" picked was the bomber? Isn't it strange that I was hounding for others to vote for this guy? Then, it turns out, he's the bomber. That should have been hint enough to suspect that something was fishy right there. There's more big clues out there, but I don't feel like listing them all. Players need to start questioning "Why?" or "What if" a little more, honestly, especially when something that should be mostly coincidence turns out to be very one-sided. That should cause some serious questions.
Oh, and then there's this whole BS about never trusting Khush that's going to pop up. Well, if you didn't trust Khush, who's going to figure everything out? At least one of you will have to step up if that's your decision, since you can't just rely on his shoulders anymore. To be a good mafia player, you don't need to just shut up and do what you're told. You've got to make your conclusions yourself. Especially, if you're just a normal townie, because then you've got nothing to lose at all. Start questioning things. Why did Khush blame Kashogi on Day 3, then turn everyone's attention elsewhere in private messages? Didn't anyone notice this is what happened? I did right away, reading the day. I saw some good questions after I was blown up, but they were just dismissed immediately. In order to be a good mafia player, you've got to base decisions on what you know and what's good for your team. If you're the Killer, if you're the bomber, then decisions are made on what's best for you. For everyone else, you've got to play for your team. That means you've got to vote effectively and switch votes effectively. It means you can act suspicious to cover up someone else. It means you should try to asses what each player's goal has been in the current game. It can mean anything, but it doesn't automatically mean "Yes sir."
Post by: 18 Days on December 22, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: bustin98 on December 22, 2007, 04:45:09 PM
Anyway, great game! This was fun.
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 04:52:27 PM
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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.
Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list
yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.
I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......
I post my pm's tomorrow and show you all.
And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....
Post by: that Baby guy on December 22, 2007, 04:56:09 PM
Stevey was not the mafia "powerplayer." He was misled and used to find townie roles, yes, but that never would have happened without Pale letting it be. Pale is the one who allowed Khush to move about unchecked, and he knew about it right away. He's the one that gave the game to the mafia. I think he deserves the prize as our thanks.
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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.
Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list
yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.
I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......
I post my pm's tomorrow and show you all.
And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....
BS. There were a million and one things you could've done with that info, and in fact, if you knew the roles of the mafia, you could have just announced your suspicions and ended everything right there. It's that easy. You didn't. You could have backstabbed him any time had you not believed him. In fact, considering your vendetta against him, you would have. You believed his story worst than the rest did, or else you'd have at least let Pale in on what was happening.
Post by: nickmitch on December 22, 2007, 04:57:55 PM
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 05:10:59 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
You didn't know he was the bro with Pale as the sis? I learned it right away. His goal was to leave false evidence for when he was finally ratted out, but he quickly realized that he could just control Pale's credibility once the killer died and Pale didn't speak up right away.
Stevey was not the mafia "powerplayer." He was misled and used to find townie roles, yes, but that never would have happened without Pale letting it be. Pale is the one who allowed Khush to move about unchecked, and he knew about it right away. He's the one that gave the game to the mafia. I think he deserves the prize as our thanks.Quote
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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.
Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list
yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.
I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......
I post my pm's tomorrow and show you all.
And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....
BS. There were a million and one things you could've done with that info, and in fact, if you knew the roles of the mafia, you could have just announced your suspicions and ended everything right there. It's that easy. You didn't. You could have backstabbed him any time had you not believed him. In fact, considering your vendetta against him, you would have. You believed his story worst than the rest did, or else you'd have at least let Pale in on what was happening.
spak never said the the winner with be decided on vote and I assumed that it would be randomly pick of the survivors so I was trying to do it without being take out by the mob and letting him live would have better my odd.....
and letting in pale would tip him off
Post by: Crimm on December 22, 2007, 05:17:57 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 22, 2007, 05:30:07 PM
Here were my original thoughts.
1)They would have to rely on each other to live but not trust each other.
2)The Brother was Mafia from the start...but did not know any Mafia members, this was to protect the Mafia, because the Brother could have easily decided to break/bend the rules to the role and support his sister and the townies while still being Mafia.
3)I broke rule 1 by giving Khush the Godfather role so that he would have a chance after being investigated day one. I would not have done this if he had not been investigated, and he would of had to find the mafia.
4)Since Khush had to find the mafia, I gave the Godfather a hint that there was a mole/other Mafia member he had to find, and to be careful with hits, which is also why I gave him the power to investigate people.
5)since there was a mole that would always remain hidden to the Detective, I warned the Detective Day One, and had the Sister be able to find out the truth about the role from the beginning.
6)There was a special way for both players to win, but it didn't really come up this game. It involved the Mafia keeping Sister alive till the very end and being the last townie alive, or the Townies an Sister doing that for the Mafia.
7)I included the Brother in the original count of the Mafia. Didn't you think it was odd there were only 4 mafia members...that is pretty low with how many people were playing...and the number of special roles. 5 was the balancing number.
8)Although, the Mole power seems over powering you must remember that every Mafia member is basically a mole from the beginning. They are going to PM you and manipulate you into believing they are townies, and the Godfather already appears like Mafia.
The Mafia really got lucky getting rid of some big Townie support first day. If they had not killed the Vigilante, the game could have gone very differently. This game was full of luck...and the Detective got a lot of information. Day one he found the Brother, Day two the Killer, Day three a Townie, and Day four the Doctor, and I think Day Five the Witness. That is pretty fantastic finds in the game.
Also, I should copy and paste my Spreadsheet of the actions for the game in here for easy analysis for everyone.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 22, 2007, 05:30:19 PM
Stevey, at the beginning of the game, in the rules, Spak says pretty clearly that whomever is on the winning side is eligible for the prize. He says you don't have to have survived the game, since sacrifice is typically necessary, especially with the roles in this game. He also said that everyone would vote for the prize, not that it would be randomly picked. I can only surmise that if you were not capable enough to comprehend the rules of the game that you are not capable of detecting a double cross, especially with no in-game evidence that you had suspicions. I think you're just running out of juice to try to win the VC game.
Anyways, everyone should vote for Pale, once again, because Pale lost the game for the townies, plain and simple. He was the key to mafia victory.
Post by: ThePerm on December 22, 2007, 05:34:44 PM
vote for me because my almost mechanical rant guessing everyones vote
oh and because khush isn't dead that means he's mafia because if patchkid is dead if they were brother and sister as claimed by khush then they would both be dead!
Post by: stevey on December 22, 2007, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on December 22, 2007, 05:56:37 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on December 22, 2007, 06:03:34 PM
As you know, I love this game. I just love it. I just love all the new strategies that pop up in this game and how a player has to take the lessons from one game and adapt them to next. So what works one game, may not work the next but with a tweak, that strategy could win in the next game. I love the unpredictability that can occur in this game. A sure win can quickly turn into a sudden lose in one day. Look at the last game, Hang 'Em High Mafia. It seemed like the mafia would cruise to victory but in two nights and a day, the mafia was suddenly decimated and the game went to an easy townie victory. There have been a lot of great plays in this game.
I love the Pale play in Mafio - GX, where Pale had the last remaining rival mafia member hit the mole in his mafia who had a bomb attached to him, killing them both. There was also the Magician's trick as the player with the Magician's ability used it to switch with other townies, thereby forming a rock-solid alliance and utilizing the role in a way I never thought possible. 18 Days had a great run where he pulled double duty as the godfather in two consecutive games running the first game to it's limit but just falling short by getting voted out on the last day and then getting a fast victory in the next game. 18 Days showed the brilliance in voting out one's own mafia.
I have also had the privilage of being involved in some great plays of strategy. But I must say that of all the games I have played, I feel that this is hands-down, the best I have ever played the game. How well did I play this game? When I got home on Wednesday and saw the results of Day 3 and the beginning of Day 4, I layed out a blueprint of how the next 3 days would play out and for the next 3 days, everything went according to plan. So, now, here is my story:
Pregame:
I receive my role:
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You are the Brother Role.
You will do anything to protect your sister that you love...including joining the Mafia.
Although the Mafia doesn't know it, you are member of the Mafia. You will only win the game if the Mafia wins, and if you can keep your sister alive. If your sister is the last townie alive you will save her life and get a perfect win.
If you die then your sister dies and vice versa.
One more thing. If you are investigated by the Detective you will revealed as the Brother Role, but your sister will find out you are truly a mafia agent. Then you two may have to figure out how you want to play. But remember she will not win the game unless the Townies win...and this is a prize Mafia after all.
Interesting. But what is the point of being mafia if I don't know the rest of my mafia? I'm going to be a high priority target by the mafia. Shouldn't they know who I am? What to do.
Day 1
Well, if I don't want the mafia to wrongly hit me, I better get some protection. But how? Obviously, you can see what I decided to do with my first post in day 1. And I get a bite. Stevey the investigator contacts me showing he did investigate for me. I've found the investigator. Great start already. However, Pale now knows my dirty secret. Stevey shows me the result of his investigation of me. I tell him that while I am willing to believe him since I revealed my role publicly, obviously all anyone has to do is say the investigated me and claim to be the investigator. He sends me more proof including the infamous townie mole warning that Pale sent. Meanwhile, Spak has decided to be lenient. Since I my sister now knows I am mafia, he will give me the name of the godfather and it is up to him what he wants to do. Excellent. That will save some time searching for mafia members.
I was now connected to the mafia and the mafia knew who the detective was. Easy kill, right? Well, no. We still had the bomber, killer, doctor, witness and vigilante to find. But, now we didn't have to waste time investigating people since we had the detective on our side and I could point out other people to investigate and keep him from investigating mafia players. I choose Darkheart at random. I was really conflicted since I also thought about voting for Bustin98 and Nuclearspeed but incredibly, my instincts came through again. Darkheart starts collecting a lot of votes. Suddenly, I'm getting messages from Darkheart saying he's the bomber and is going to blow me up. After, confirming with Spak the rules for the bomber, I'm happy to know he can't blow me up. Plus, the bomber tells me he is allied with the townies. Now he has to die.
But good fortune continued to smile on me. Sister Mary LeFever contacts me and reveals she is the vigilante. Unbelievable. It's day 1 and I've already found the vigilante and bomber. The only threat left is the killer really. I think about how I want to get rid of the vigilante. Maybe use her kill on a townie role and then sacrifice her on another townie. Still, will it be suspicious to Pale if the Vigilante makes those kind of moves? Might he call me out in the day thread? And then I see Sister Mary LeFever vote for the bomber. Should I save her? Nah. The death will look accidental and I get rid of two birds with one stone. Still, I watch the vote. It is a close one and I almost have to switch my vote to avoid bomber death. However, with thatguy not around for 3 days, I decide to leave the vote as is and let him go.
I send all my mafia members a report on the day and hit recommendations with Nuclearspeed being the top of the list. Nothing against him but it's best to hit players that don't attract much attention. If those players have a powerful role, they could last long in the game and ruin things late game. Bustin98 tells me that he is not sending in a hit. He's doing an investigation. I can't beleive it! Change the order. Change it fast, we don't need to do an investigation. We investigate by whacking people and finding out their role in the morning. But it's too late. His investigation? Golden Phoenix who was killed by the killer that night. It is agreed to do hits from then on.
DAY 2
18 Days seemed rather eager to attack me. It was easy to convince stevey to investigate him. Turns out 18 Days is the killer. Jackpot. Last threat has been found. But how can I work this to our advantage. I'd like to use the killer's kills for awhile if possible. In other games, the killer has been blackmailed by the townies. Forced to vote with them or get voted out. Would 18 Days do the same thinking he was being blackmailed by the townies? Let's find out. After checking the profiles to see who still hadn't logged after the first days night actions, I saw Zach was the only who hadn't been on for Day 1. If anyone else checked the profiles, they would know that Zach had a very good chance of being a townie. Of course, I knew for sure. So, I approached Zach and let him know what was happening with 18 Days. The plan was to blackmail 18 Days to perform a hit on ThePerm. (If that had happened, so long doctor) My only real reason for hitting ThePerm was his vote for me on Day 1. I don't like getting voted for. Plus, if the killer decided not to go along with the blackmail, the only person he could really kill who knew about it was Zach, the townie with some proof in his favor. Win, win.
Getting home from work and reading through the Day 2 threads, I realize some things. Although he is incorrect about a couple points, Vudu has somehow figured out that I am mafia. Plus, he voted for me. So, that is the hit for the night. Second, Bustin98 and KashogiStogi are talking way too much in the threads and giving out explanations for things that show they have more knowledge on the subject then they should. With Kashogi already getting suspicion from Pale, this has got to stop. Fortunately, Pale is to busy trying to vote out stevey now and I couldn't be happier. With me defending stevey and even claiming that I believe him to not be guilty, all I have to do is let Pale kill him off one of these days and no one will listen to Pale anymore. That takes care of my sister. I vote Mario to save stevey and get rid of another player who had the gall to say I was mafia. The mafia takes the chance not to hit the killer. Bustin goes down. I don't like it but it's not a surprise. He talked to much. In my mafia report, I outline that from now on, we just post we vote for only. If we must give a reason, one sentance only. If someone questions us, we answer by one sentance only. But we start clamming up.
DAY 3
In an effort to locate the witness and the doctor, I continue my strategy of players that don't attract much intention. I suggest Crimm to stevey. stevey agrees. Crimm is a townie. Nuts. With the godfather dead, stevey will most likely introduce himself and the townie alliance will grow bigger. Plus, Zach knows stevey is the detective since I told him at the end of Day 2 who stevey was to save him from the vote. However, stevey doesn't want to reveal himself. He thinks, from a message Spak sent him, the townie mole would be shown as a townie if investigated. Of course, I absolutely agree to that idea. Therefore, it is determined that I contact Crimm. Suddenly, it hits me. I can gain control of the voting. I can control an entire townie alliance and pick it apart at the same time. Every townie I talked to, I let them know the story about the townie mole and why I can't reveal important roles yet. This way, the alliance never knows who the allaince consists of. So, when members of it get hit by the mafia, the rest of the allaince never knows and assumes things are fine. The only person who could wise up to that is stevey. But once he's dead, no one but me knows who the alliance is made of. This way, I can keep the alliance growing from growing too large but always picking off a member when needed.
Even better, I can include my mafia members into the alliance. I start with a vote on KashogiStogi for the day. The plan is to vote out the killer which the whole alliance knows is 18 Days. But first, I tell the alliance, I want to vote Kashogi and make him sweat for a bit and maybe reveal his role to me. I even use a silly explanation of why I think Kashogi is mafia. I try to play it up that I don't know Pale knows I'm mafia and make Pale think I am trying to trick him into voting for a townie. Of course, later when we switch votes, I tell everyone that Kashogi said he was a townie and I believe him. I step out for the night but everything seems to be progressing nicely. We get our revenge on the killer and we move closer to controlling the day's vote. The hit is Shyguy. He's a good player and may catch on to mafia players later so it's best to take him down. Plus, he's part of a list that is growing smaller of possible suspects for the doctor and witness.
I come home and somehow 18 Days has managed to survive. Good for him. Fortunately, no further mafia loss is incured as we hit the same target. Still, once again we miss a chance to get rid of an extra townie. Reading over the Day 3 thread and the start of Day 4, I see it there in fron of my eyes. ThePerm is the doctor. I send him a quick message asking why I have the feeling he is the doctor. I then check my messages. (I'd get like 20 messages a day.) Stevey confirms that ThePerm is the doctor. I'm glad to see that I was able to figure it out before logging on. At the same time, I really was wishing 18 Days had gone through with the blackmail. ThePerm suddenly sends me a note saying he is not the doctor but a townie. Stevey investigates ThePerm to try and convice him of our honesty anyways. I'm glad because it means a waste of an investigation and the alliance continues in manageable numbers. I try to figure out how to best work out all that has happened.
Day 4
And this is the solution. My famous blueprint. I sent my mafia a copy each. I even sent it to some players who were out of the game and wanted to know what was happening. I even let the host know. The only copy I have left is the message I sent to TVMan. Here it is:
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Here's how the next few days are going to go:
Day 4 - Killer (18 Days) dies in vote, doctor (ThePerm) dies in mafia hit
Day 5 - Detective (stevey) gets voted out because everyone will think he killed the doctor, townie gets killed in mafia hit
Day 6 - Accusations fly as to who is responisble for the detective's death. If things go right, Zach is voted out. If they go wrong, Pale is voted out. Townie dies in mafia hit.
That leaves us with these two outcomes:
Great outcome:
Athrun Zala
KashogiStogi
Khushrenada
oohhboy
Pale
Patchkid15
TVMan
That leaves us one townie death away from victory. Best of all, if we vote myself out that day, I take Pale with me. With a townie hit, the game is won. Mafia 2 and Townies 2. Mafia breaks tie. This is the outcome I am hoping to reach.
Still doable:
Athrun Zala
crimm
KashogiStogi
oohhboy
Patchkid15
TVMan
That leaves the mafia two townie deaths away from victory. The vote and a hit.
Obviously, my recommendation is a Nuclearspeed hit on Day 5 and a Crimm or Zach hit Day 6. Of course, finding out the Witness may change things. Best of all, I'm going to tell the alliance today that Stevey investigated you and you were found to be a townie. When stevey is exhonerated as the detective after his death, you and Kashogi should be looking pretty good townie wise, especially with Crimm and Patchkid still around to vouch for your innocence by the detective and you have my voting record of trying to frame Kashogi.
This is the strategy I'm pursuing and it appears to have a good chance for success. Day 6 is the greatest variable but that's because it is so far away.
Best of all, I am working on a contingency plan with 18 Days in case he escapes the day's vote. Right now, he is certain that the mafia is just myself and Stevey. I'm not letting him think any differently. Just make sure you and Kashogi can avoid arousing his suspicion in case the deal breaks down.
Basically it isn't neccesary to go into what happened the rest of the days as things went pretty well. I did have to change the Nuclearspeed hit once stevey found the witness. And I didn't expect the killer to get a hit when he was voted out. But the contingency plan I worked with 18 Days paid off. Best of all, it removed Zach who had become an enemy of the allaince. Athrun Zala obviously became the guy I wanted to set up in place of Zach. Due to the hit of Zach, my townie numbers were off and all we needed was a Day 6 not a Day 7. I never did have to confirm TVMan's innocence. Instead, on Day 5, I told Crimm and Patchkid that stevey investigated Athrun and confirmed him to be mafia. I also got stevey to post that Pale and Athrun were mafia. Again, this helped in Day 6 when I asked Crimm and Patchkid to vote Athrun out.
I'm not sure if there are any other questions people would like to ask. If there is a detail about something you were curious about or wondered why such and such happened, just ask and I'll fill you in.
I'm not posting this story to get the most votes for the prize. I suspect I may have won that already also. Instead, I just wanted to share with you the strategy I used in this game. In the past few games I played, a lot of people were upset with the unbeatable townie alliances I created. But I just knew, if given the chance, I could also show how they could be stopped by the mafia. Obviously, this strategy isn't going to work for everyone. I was always afraid that Pale would expose me at any time throwing everything into disarray. He waited until it was too late. If the detective was anybody but stevey, I probably would have lost his trust a long time ago. But, Pale voted for stevey every day and I was able to use that to keep stevet from talking to Pale. Plus, I coached stevey a lot to make sure he did look guilty like mafia. It suckered everyone.
So, yes, if we were to play this game again and give everyone different roles, we'd most likely end up with a different result. Still, my hope is that the strategy used here today will be processed by everyone and further refined in future games. Perhaps some one will get a new idea of how they could expand one aspect of what I did and find a whole new strategy from it. But at least it shows that you can never be safe who you trust in this game. And maybe it will make it harder for townie alliances now opening up new strategies to combat the present weaknesses.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 22, 2007, 06:17:13 PM
Anyways, my vote goes to a few people for the win.
Stevey for listening to me. Sorry I couldn't save you against Pale.
Pale for playing so well into my hand. Defend the killer, go after detective, suspect Nuclearspeed.
Athrun Zala for taking the fall.
Crimm and Patchkid who voted with me.
18 Days for not killing me. You were the hardest person to whack in this game. After the convo we had, I really thought about working with you for awhile. But, since I had come up with my 3 day plan that I posted abouve in my long retrospective, I decided it was best to just stick to that. It was already worked out and everything seemed to be perfectly set-up for it. Sorry man. I'll find a way to make it up to you.
TVMan who is an underrated player but plays a smart game. I didn't want to step on his toes as the godfather but I know I gave a lot of directions to the team. Thanks for listening.
But most of all to KashogiStogi, who gave me plenty of encouragement, listend to what I said, and even came up with some suggestions I could use. He was rocky at first but really improved as the game went on. I think he would have outlasted TVMan if things went wrong for the mafia. A good first shoing for his belated debut. (You may remember, he wanted to play last game and never got the chance.)
So, since I can't vote for myself, I do think that KashogiStogi should get some praise here also and so I VOTE KASHOGISTOGI.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 22, 2007, 06:45:02 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Khush only find backstabbing funny......
Actually, that's not entirely true. I do agonize about who I vote for and who I choose to whack. In your case, stevey, I didn't really backstab you so much as stopped giving you support. But, I never voted for you once and the mafia never hit you. You were killed by other townies. I felt bad for Darkheart. He sent me a message on Day 1 really frustrated over the vote. He told me that he was tired of getting killed by townies on his own team. He said he could have chosen to side with the mafia or the townes but he chose townies. He did not seem happy over what was happening. I felt bad taking him out but I had to. I hope he realizes what happened now and doesn't feel so upset. I didn't like seeing a new player like Sister Mary LeFever go down so soon but again, I let it happen because we needed the role gone.
Yes, I may stab people in the back in this game and sometimes there is a bit of glee from it depending on the situation. But most times, I do agonize over it. I like everyone in this game and I don't like taking anyone out of it. That's why when I have the chance to help out someone in the next game I backstabbed in a previous game I do. I want to see all players succeed. That's why I kept choosing Nuclearspeed for a hit early on. Nothing against him. I like the man. We've worked together in the past. I just know that he has lasted longer in other games so rather than vote the same people out early, why not vote out someone who has lasted for a long time in previous games. Give someone else a chance to survive for awhile.
Still, when it comes down to it, if I have to take a person out because it is the smart thing to do, I'll do it. But I'll remember and try to make it up to them in the future.
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Originally posted by: Pale
I'm really looking forward to the number of important townies that are going to look silly for being played by the mafia SOOO badly.
Now this I find funny. I'm not trying to stick it to Pale since I already sent him this after he voted stevey out but you have to admit, it's hilarious since it comes from Pale. Couple this with the current avatar he has and it makes his statement the qoute of the game.
Post by: nickmitch on December 22, 2007, 07:14:21 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 22, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
Post by: Zach on December 22, 2007, 07:17:10 PM
Now about my small role in this massacre. I gets this message, so I decide to relay it. In hindsight realize how dumb it was because I just let the killer know that I know they are the killer. But I thought I had a good thing goin, 'cause once I was contacted by pale and realized khush was no good, I let 18 days know who khush was and everyone I knew of that he was associated with (ie stevey, who at the time I was sure was also mafia) I figured that maybe they would be more tempting targets than a townie like myself, I thought that even if I got killed, 18 would go after khush eventually.
I did however sense that my death was coming (though I thought that it would be a mafia hit). I gave my info to pale, but it was of no use because the only thing I knew that pale didnt was the killer, who happened to die on the same night I did.
Post by: Stogi on December 22, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
I learned so much from this dude and I can't wait to play again.
Post by: wandering on December 22, 2007, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on December 22, 2007, 10:13:22 PM
Post by: Patchkid15 on December 23, 2007, 12:15:01 AM
So good game Khush
Vote Khush
Post by: Sister Mary LeFever on December 23, 2007, 12:42:49 AM
Vote Khush
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 23, 2007, 01:06:55 AM
Post by: Pale on December 23, 2007, 01:53:43 AM
It was cool that the rest of hte world didn't know one was mafia, but I say in future games have it again and just tell everyone. The only thing it would change is that Khush would have to not announce it on day 1.
Even though I ended up sucking, as the Sister it was really cool that I could just be a freaking pain in hte ass and never have to worry about the mafia offing me.
Post by: stevey on December 23, 2007, 01:58:36 AM
Post by: 18 Days on December 23, 2007, 02:44:17 AM
Mafia fishing: On day one I PM Pale saying I KNOW that he's mafia and that I'm the killer. It was a total bluff that I wasn't really going anywhere with, I just considered doing a little fishing for Mafia members early game. Somehow talked Pale out of thinking I was the killer although unwittingly I probably brought attention to myself to Khush.
The Blackmail, ambitious tie: I knew something was up immediately with the blackmail. I knew it wasn't a townie alliance because it would require near psychic powers for the cop, doctor and any other alliance players to find themselves that early and provide a target for me to kill. After swapping a few PMs with Zach I came to realise that he wasn't part of it at all and it more or less confirmed for me that he wasn't mafia and that the people behind him were, especially since the Mafia made an investigation on day one. Little did I know that stevey had stuffed up bigtime. Publically I still attacked Zach and roped in Pale somehow, this was more a last ditch effort to tie the vote on Day 2, which I thought had work but I miscounted anyway. Zach proved his innocence to be be saving the tie. It really didn't go the way I wanted because Mario is nearly always my partner in crime in Mafia games, since we chat on MSN near daily.
The counter bluff The thought crossed my mind that the whole blackmailing was a bluff, that they just suspected me of being the killer, they didn't know it. So when I had hit the godfather randomly that night, I sent a hilairous PM to Zach telling him to tell his master that they work for me now and I knew who all of them were. I don't know if this caused Khush to contact me but I'd like tot hink it did. More likely it was continued correspondence with Pale, who outed himself as the sister and revealed Khush was mafia to me.
Actually I kinda feel a bit cheated by this game. One godfather and 3 mafia goons would've been fair, but an extra, hidden one, tipped the balance a little too much in their favour I feel. Then again, it might've been more fair had THE TOWNIE COP NOT BEEN MANIPULATED. Gah!
Post by: Pale on December 23, 2007, 03:02:46 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Pale why didn't you just come out and say your the sister and Khush is mafia right after spak told you? It wouldn't be that hard to figure out I was the investigator after I join khush side around when spak pm you.......
My biggest worry is that if I did that to everyone, the townies would catch on that the best way to kill a mafia member would be to kill me.
I was also paranoid of the killer, which is especially funny because I was talking to 18 days a TON about it. He just chose not to kill both of us right away and I'm not sure why.
Post by: Pale on December 23, 2007, 03:04:58 AM
Also, Stevey, if on the day you said you were the detective, if you would have just PMd me saying that you investigated Khush on day one I would have pulled all of my votes for you the rest of the game and convinced you why Khush, at the very least, couldn't be trusted.
Having found out that Khush told you who NOT to investigate, had we actually synched up, the mafia would have been destroyed.
Post by: 18 Days on December 23, 2007, 03:38:14 AM
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Originally posted by: PaleI was also paranoid of the killer, which is especially funny because I was talking to 18 days a TON about it. He just chose not to kill both of us right away and I'm not sure why.
See I was certain that stevey and Khush were the only two remaining mobsters, I didn't realise that Khush was an EXTRA goon. So I wanted to save you two for a final kill right towards the end.
Post by: ThePerm on December 23, 2007, 04:37:25 AM
Post by: ThePerm on December 23, 2007, 04:38:54 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 23, 2007, 04:54:25 AM
I got kinda screwed at the end, as I thought that Day 6 would last all weekend... oh well...
(will post a more detailed analysis later)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 23, 2007, 05:54:34 AM
The role shouldn't of worked to Khush's advantage. I was actually afraid Khush could side the townies and therefore only gave him one Mafia name, and told the Mafia not trust him at their own risk...but he was in fact in the mob.
As for the Mafia investigation, you are making too much of that. They investigated GoldenPhoenix so they did not get any useful information, since she died first day.
I really liked the Witness role to this game. And although it never was used. I am sure the Mafia was sweating every hit...and probably why they did not hit big name targets. If they would have hit 18 Days on several of the days, then they would have been exposed. But then who does the Witness tell. If he announces it, then he is dead...but if he doesn't then the information never gets out. It is a great role.
I will tweak the Bomber again...some of the complicated rules I chose because this was a prize Mafia. But I like the idea of targeted explosions, and will incorporate that more and balance it more in the game. The idea was that the Bomber had to decide the night before who he would attach himself too, and that would then mean he will blow up and kill that person and anyone that voted for that person. But what if nobody voted for that person, it would be a wasted explosion. It was a fun idea, that needs tweaking.
Overall, I think this game was pretty well balanced...poor decisions on the townies was what did them in...not an too powerful Mafia. Yes, Khush had an inside man, but that happens several times in Mafia...and plenty of people knew or suspected he was Mafia. If Khush was exposed Day 1...then the Mafia would have been in trouble. But, this was a prize mafia and that meant that Pale would probably lose the chance at a prize.
In a way, I feel the prize brought out the best and worst in people in the Mafia. People were willing to backstab their own team hoping to get the prize. This is why I let every member of that team living or dead have a chance for the prize...so that people can sacrifice if they need to for the better cause. Also, I think it was important to allow all people to vote, because not everyone knows how everyone played...but sampling everyone gets a good sample.
Khush said I should of made it anyone was eligible period for the prize...and if I had enough Wii points I would have done it that way. Perhaps next game. I will have the best player on the winning team, and then the best player overall as winners instead of bribing people initially to sign up. I just got overexcited about the gifting ability of the Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 23, 2007, 10:05:54 AM
Post by: Zach on December 23, 2007, 11:27:42 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 23, 2007, 04:33:13 PM
Also, 18 Days was in a way the best player of the townies.
Post by: ThePerm on December 23, 2007, 05:49:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 23, 2007, 06:25:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
If you wanted to vote someone out of spite that wasn't Mafia you could vote 18 Days. He killed one Mafia member, and really gave the Mafia a hard time.
Also, 18 Days was in a way the best player of the townies.
Yeah by killing me?
Post by: 18 Days on December 23, 2007, 06:59:24 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on December 23, 2007, 07:07:12 PM
Of course, since I killed myself intentionally, I had no lesson to learn, but I just can't let someone be so wrong and not disagree.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 24, 2007, 10:22:36 AM
Stevey - 3
Khush - 7
Sorry, Khush Dies...Mean wins!!!
Post by: stevey on December 24, 2007, 12:38:10 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 25, 2007, 05:37:23 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 25, 2007, 12:59:12 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 25, 2007, 01:20:16 PM
He obviously wants me to have the game!
EDIT: I just talked to Khush and he confirmed.
Post by: stevey on December 25, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
Post by: vudu on January 02, 2008, 09:35:31 AM
QuoteI did! I told everyone that Khush was mafia on day two, but no one listened!
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Wow...so many people knew Khush was Mafia, but didn't jump out and say it early enough.
