Post by: patriotsfan93 on November 22, 2007, 01:16:46 PM
Super Mario Galaxy has returned to the 2nd highest rated title overall, on any platform. Zelda Ocarania of Time has taken back its number 1 position. In my books at least getting in the top 10 is a GIANT success.
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Post by: Mario on November 22, 2007, 01:33:26 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 22, 2007, 02:29:25 PM
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 22, 2007, 02:59:55 PM
Post by: patriotsfan93 on November 22, 2007, 03:00:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Noone cares
I do. This is a sign that the Wii has lost the console war.
Sarcasm aside, whatever website gave it a lower score is biased.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 22, 2007, 03:28:08 PM
If we went by what the average score is then this is what Gamerankings Top 10 should look like. Which means Mickey Mania for the Sega CD should be considered the greatest game of all time.
Post by: IceCold on November 22, 2007, 03:56:59 PM
QuoteHere's a question: do you like Mario 64 or OoT better?
Originally posted by: wandering
Sanity has been restored.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
Post by: patriotsfan93 on November 22, 2007, 04:36:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Well it was bound to happen since Galaxy's reviews went up. The more reviews a game gets the more likely it's average is to come down. If Ocarina of Time had to have over 90 reviews like Metriod Prime or Resident Evil 4 did then it would have a much lower score then it does.
If we went by what the average score is then this is what Gamerankings Top 10 should look like. Which means Mickey Mania for the Sega CD should be considered the greatest game of all time.
I do not understand, I clicked your link and I got the same results, I did not see Mickey anywhere. Also, obviously you have not played Mickey Mania for it was the best first-person shooter that generation, and even now is pretty much unparalled.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2007, 05:05:24 PM
Anyway, Ocarina of Time is the greatest game of all time, period. It would have been terrible if SMG actually stayed at #1 - what it has in fun and gameplay, it lacks in story, which is fine because it's a Mario game, but it would be a crime against humanity for anything to dethrone OoT.
Post by: Strell on November 22, 2007, 07:54:39 PM
If you think it doesn't, you are not paying attention at all.
Post by: UncleBob on November 22, 2007, 08:01:18 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 22, 2007, 09:08:34 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on November 22, 2007, 09:42:47 PM
Post by: Strell on November 23, 2007, 04:49:43 AM
The number of people who came out screaming that "this game isn't that great" after SMG was considered the highest rated game ever gives me some pause. I mean all these comments began absolutely the second it achieved that, many of them having the exact same terminology and phrases, all of them with a "God, I seriously only play this game because mom won't drive me to the arcade, GOD" sort of feeling.
Only Nintendo fans can actually bash Nintendo when it comes to determining whether or not they actually like a game, and whether or not the game is good.
Criminy.
Post by: Mashiro on November 23, 2007, 07:19:38 AM
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OOT is overrated
Fully agreed. WW and TP are far better than OOT ever was.
And Mario 64 was greater than OOT . . . so Galaxy deserves the number one spot, in my opinion.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 23, 2007, 08:14:07 AM
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Post by: IceCold on November 23, 2007, 10:30:55 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 23, 2007, 10:35:53 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
OOT is overrated.
Stop being a troll.
Post by: Mashiro on November 23, 2007, 10:36:46 AM
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Oot was the innovator not WW and TP
Outside of Z-targeting what did OoT innovate?
(This should start an interesting discussion).
Post by: IceCold on November 23, 2007, 10:39:46 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 23, 2007, 10:44:04 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I think he meant that WW and TP were based on OoT's template of a 3D Zelda, and did little to change it.
Yeah that is probably what he meant. Though personally I don't think that just because something innovated means it is the best. There are many products where while the first was innovated, future iterations were superior. Take the PC for example, are people going to argue the first PC is the best?
Post by: The Traveller on November 23, 2007, 12:39:18 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 23, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by: The Traveller
Yeah WW and TP were technically better games, but both had far less of an impact than Oot did. Mainly because it had already been done in Oot for the most part. Which is why neither received the same critical acclaim.
And while I do prefer both of those games, I think the critical acclaim for OOT over them is deserved.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 23, 2007, 05:21:24 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
OOT is overrated.
Stop being a troll.
Except it was.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on November 23, 2007, 06:15:48 PM
Post by: Strell on November 23, 2007, 07:06:22 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 23, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 23, 2007, 08:29:11 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I think OOT being the innovator shouldn't count for much. The effect of being the first diminishes after a few years, playing OOT now won't give you any of that "zomg 3d!" feeling so the sequels should be rated higher since they deliver the same 3d experience but are better overall. Same reason noone should play the original Metroid anymore.
And denounce the work that humbled me so just a few years back? Does that not sound pompous?
Post by: Strell on November 23, 2007, 09:10:42 PM
Or...whatever European country KDR is from.
Go watch Kraftwerk at Struttgart, hippie!
Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 09:16:01 PM
QuoteAnd this is why people cannot appreciate the fact that reviews are a snapshot rather than everlasting. Comparing different systems or different period of times is stupid because at the end of the day its an opinion (or a group of opinions if you want to be technically correct).
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
The effect of being the first diminishes after a few years, playing OOT now won't give you any of that "zomg 3d!" feeling so the sequels should be rated higher since they deliver the same 3d experience but are better overall.
OoT was groundbreaking for its time. That is why it is #1 now. Complain all you want about how it is an injustice but it is a decision that gamerankings has come up with.
Post by: Plugabugz on November 23, 2007, 10:33:37 PM
Why is it not on that list?
Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 10:39:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Plugabugz
My desk is the best desk ever made.
Why is it not on that list?
It has limited depth
Post by: Plugabugz on November 23, 2007, 10:41:31 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 23, 2007, 11:25:21 PM
Because Metroid Prime having a 96.3% average with 92 reviews, is much more impressive then Ocarina of Time's 97.6% with only 31 reviews. If Ocarina of Time had to have 92 reviews I can guarantee it's average wouldn't be as high as it is now.
This is what makes Gamerankings flawed, since the averages depend on the amount of reviews. If one game has more reviews then the other, then it's impossible to have a fair comparison between the two.
Post by: Shift Key on November 24, 2007, 12:05:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Plugabugz
It only has limited depth because its a small desk.
My desk can increase and decrease its depth whenever I want. How it isn't in this list is beyond comprehension.
Post by: Mashiro on November 24, 2007, 01:22:34 AM
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OoT was groundbreaking for its time.
I disagree with this statement but as I've said before even when OoT was released I didn't see what all the fuss was about.
What was so groundbreaking about the game?
Post by: Nintendawg on November 24, 2007, 02:51:06 AM
Post by: darknight06 on November 26, 2007, 10:21:21 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 26, 2007, 11:11:13 AM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
My view, I never beat OoT because I hated the way the game flowed and played (I've gotten more looks from other gamers for this statement than enough). IMO it was a huge step backwards from LttP, and as many times as I've come back to play the game to try to finish it I just can't get into it. Same for Metal Gear Solid, except that I actually beat it the first time never went through it again. Even if the ending was different, I felt like I've experienced pretty much everything that it offered as a game. That and I didn't feel like sitting through the soap opera again. It's also why despite the upgrade, I didn't even bother with Twin Snakes, or any Metal Gear afterwards for that matter.
It's also why you didn't bother with Zelda: TP, right?
I share similar, if much less extreme concerns actually...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 26, 2007, 11:15:46 AM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: darknight06
My view, I never beat OoT because I hated the way the game flowed and played (I've gotten more looks from other gamers for this statement than enough). IMO it was a huge step backwards from LttP, and as many times as I've come back to play the game to try to finish it I just can't get into it. Same for Metal Gear Solid, except that I actually beat it the first time never went through it again. Even if the ending was different, I felt like I've experienced pretty much everything that it offered as a game. That and I didn't feel like sitting through the soap opera again. It's also why despite the upgrade, I didn't even bother with Twin Snakes, or any Metal Gear afterwards for that matter.
It's also why you didn't bother with Zelda: TP, right?
I share similar, if much less extreme concerns actually...
Kairon loves barebones gameplay.
Post by: Mario on November 26, 2007, 12:28:35 PM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
OoT was groundbreaking for its time.
I disagree with this statement but as I've said before even when OoT was released I didn't see what all the fuss was about.
What was so groundbreaking about the game?
Exactly, it was basically Mario 64 with all gameplay taken out of it.
Post by: darknight06 on November 26, 2007, 04:22:04 PM
Oh and one more thing. Mario Galaxy >>>>>>>>>>> OoT. It's not perfect, and it is overhyped just like 99% of what you hear the industry raving on and on about, but it corrected a lot of what I didn't like about SMS (hated this too, and not because it was hard) while bringing some of the essence of the pre SM64 days. Now I did like SM64, but it'll never hold a candle to anything YI down. SMG is probably the closest thing to them though, and for that I do have to commend them.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 26, 2007, 05:55:18 PM
This is false and exaggerated.
Post by: The Traveller on November 26, 2007, 06:23:56 PM
