Post by: Shift Key on October 30, 2007, 12:15:54 AM
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[A Wii version] would be possible, but it would need changes to the gameplay, like the DS version. But that just wouldn't be the same experience. Unfortunately, the Wii just doesn't have the same performance as the PS3 and 360.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/assassin.s-creed/assassins-creed-on-wii-no-dice-316522.php
Crushed yet?
She even (possibly) said that through her snarky grin, which probably looks similar to the one above. Maybe she's hiding a forked tongue, maybe she speaks using an electronic voicebox, maybe she doesn't like the Wii, maybe your mum doesn't like the Wii.
Obligatory channeling of UK:R staff follows:
Code-monkey lackeys or fashion underlings? You decide.
SMS your vote to 1800-SHE'S-BOSS and the choice with the most number of votes becomes fact. ITS DEMOCRACY WITHOUT GETTING OFF THE COUCH.
Since when did developers pose for photos in abandoned warehouses anyway? Maybe there's a sweatshop just out of the shot due to running out of budget money because of the additional PS3 porting.
this thread is so non-shocking i'm trying to make it interesting. any help is welcome
Post by: oohhboy on October 30, 2007, 02:23:39 AM
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Post by: ryancoke on October 30, 2007, 07:54:30 AM
Rodney Dangerfield RIP
Post by: IceCold on October 30, 2007, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2007, 03:13:54 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 13, 2007, 08:39:07 AM
Assassin's Creed is like the popular cool guy in teen movies who loses to underdogs with genuine merit.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 13, 2007, 09:02:28 AM
Has any PS3/Xbox 360 game been ported to the Wii yet? The Wii seems to get exclusives or ports of PS2 or Xbox games.
Though I don't like that the Wii keeps getting shafted the excuse for not porting the game sounds valid. We knew from day one that the Wii hardware was not comparable to the other two consoles and stuff like this proves it. This is why the Wii is not getting the proper "respect" from the third parties that it should considering it's in first place. If the game has already been made for the other two consoles it CAN'T be ported to the Wii. If there was some example of a killer PS3/X360 game getting ported to the Wii and remaining awesome without noticable downgrades then we could call these third parties on being full of it. But I can't think of that example. And it's not like only one or two third parties are making excuses.
It's like if a game is not announced for the Wii from the get-go it never will be. Unless it's a PS2 title of course.
Post by: IceCold on November 13, 2007, 09:31:54 AM
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Post by: matt oz on November 13, 2007, 12:00:48 PM
Anyway, I was mad about not getting this game, but then I realized that Ubisoft was instead giving us Raving Rabbids 2! Isn't that awesome? Instead of a brand new action-adventure IP from one of the best third party developers, we're getting a sequel to a mini-game spinoff! Awesome!
Post by: that Baby guy on November 13, 2007, 12:14:27 PM
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Post by: Shift Key on November 13, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
We knew from day one that the Wii hardware was not comparable to the other two consoles and stuff like this proves it. This is why the Wii is not getting the proper "respect" from the third parties that it should considering it's in first place. If the game has already been made for the other two consoles it CAN'T be ported to the Wii.
From what I've seen it isn't a trivial task to port an existing 360 game to PS3 (Lost Planet i think is the most recent game in development), so the argument that "the Wii is incapable of handling 360 and PS3 ports" is not valid. It sounds like third parties are still looking for that "path of least resistance" and if they can make use of one code base then it becomes a less expensive venture.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/jaggies/lost-planet-ps3-burns-my-eyes-their-blood-soothes-313525.php
If this game recoups its costs (new IP, multi-platform release, large development teams) then I'll be surprised. But I don't smell a smash hit.
Post by: Ceric on November 14, 2007, 01:13:17 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 14, 2007, 02:28:03 AM
Assassin's Creed: Meh. It looks interesting but I can think of several 360/PS3 games I'd rather play.
Jade Whatsherpickle: Double meh. I can think of several chicks I'd rather play. Hehe.
Post by: ThePerm on November 16, 2007, 09:48:26 AM
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Post by: Kairon on November 17, 2007, 08:31:44 AM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Unnggh Jade your game feels so good
I see what you did there.
Post by: Shift Key on November 17, 2007, 10:05:27 AM
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Irate PlayStation 3 owners are reporting a host of technical problems with their copies of Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed, writing of frame rate problems, screen tearing, geometry clipping and game-stopping lock ups on the official game forums.
Pages and pages of hilarity
Post by: IceCold on November 17, 2007, 11:40:05 AM
Post by: Deguello on November 18, 2007, 06:33:49 PM
That comic is classless and crass, and the artists should be ashamed of themselves. What did she ever do to deserve that?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
Post by: Deguello on November 18, 2007, 06:45:38 PM
Hell I don't even like the game. I don't even have a 360 or a PS3 to play it on. But that was unbelievably low. Seriously. That was just absolutely unconscionable.
This is shameful.
Post by: Arbok on November 18, 2007, 07:05:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
That comic is classless and crass, and the artists should be ashamed of themselves. What did she ever do to deserve that?
Am I missing something? All I'm seeing, in terms of comics, in this thread is the Penny Arcade one...
Post by: ShyGuy on November 18, 2007, 07:09:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 18, 2007, 07:36:42 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 18, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
This isn't going to be pretty.
Post by: Shift Key on November 18, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
*holds head in hands*
This isn't going to be pretty.
The powers that be have determined this to be a bullshit post. Either edit it and bring something to this thread or leave an empty post and go elsewhere.
Thank you,
Vigilante.
Post by: Deguello on November 18, 2007, 08:19:11 PM
But they failed to do so, and the product appears grandiosely hateful and unfathomably disrespectful to a person whose only crime appears to be having been the producer and creative lead on a game that maybe possibly didn't live up to some hype, and the strategy of the PR department of the company she works for.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2007, 08:52:46 PM
I'm not saying it's right or that the comic represented it in a tasteful manner, but it's the damn, sad truth...
Post by: Deguello on November 18, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
If the target was UBISoft, they should have made a comic about UBISoft. Instead they tried to passively make fun of UBISoft by calling a woman who works for UBISoft a whore, making fun of her broken English, and hoping the reader would make the connection to UBISoft in some way. They failed miserably as evidenced by the uproar it caused. Ultimately, It doesn't matter what UBISoft's PR department is figuratively guilty of. She does not deserve this for any reason and it is completely indefensible. By the VERY SAME STROKE that made her a figurehead for a UBISoft game, she has again been made responsible for all of UBISoft's actions in this comic, making the artists guilty of the very same "damn, sad truth."
Imagine I made a comic in which Bill Aurion goes around molesting 6 year old boys because he likes them. Having sex with them is the best thing in the world for Bill. He gets caught but his rich parents relocate him to another university and he molests 3 year old boys. Finally he gets caught by the public at large and his parents bring him home, to live out his life in his hometown in another country, never seeing justice in America.
I'm criticizing the way the Catholic Church shuffled child-molesting priests around in the U.S. before finally recalling them all back to the Vatican, before they could see American justice. But instead of actually criticizing them, I'm just criticizing Bill, by calling him a pedophile and symbolically linking him to the Catholic Church (Bill's a Catholic, btw. I should probably have pointed this out during the comic, but it would ruin the commentary). Now I'm not saying it was the right way to do that criticism of the Catholic Church or that it was presented in a tasteful manner, but it is the damn sad truth that the Catholic Church relocated pedophiles.
Post by: PIAC on November 18, 2007, 10:29:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 19, 2007, 06:03:17 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 07:31:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
The only damn sad truth here is that humans have a destructive nature that impels them to tear things down, probably more so than they raise things up. You give the public a target, and it doesn't matter if its Ken Kutaragi or Jade Raymond, or Britney Spears or Uwe Boll, people will be more than happy to degrade them any way they can.
Uwe Boll and Spears have done enough to degrade themselves though lol.
Post by: Kairon on November 19, 2007, 07:40:31 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 08:14:10 AM
There's "lampooning" and then there's smearing and that was smearing.
I've watched Cap play the game for a while now and while it has a slow pace, it's still a neat game. The Wii could handle it, but it would take a massive graphical hit in the process.
However, that wouldn't detract from the fun, since the game's focus isn't its graphics but the game style where you sneak up on people, kill them and then escape afterwards.
It's like Prince of Persia meets GTA, but with a pretty neat storyline.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 09:44:33 AM
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But I propose that it isn't about whether they deserve it or not, it's merely the fact that they're in the public's eyes that people feel they have the right to denigrate them.
True, personally in many ways I feel sorry for Brittany Spears, she is heading down a bad path QUICKLY. And the public isn't helping. I really would not be surprised to see her commit suicide.
Post by: vudu on November 19, 2007, 09:51:41 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 10:42:22 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 10:44:01 AM
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Uh, didn't she direct the game?
That's a bit more than "nothing at all"...
Actually not sure about that, she was a producer though. In fact she started her career as a programmer for Sony and then produced games for EA for quite awhile. She is obviously an experienced woman in this field.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 10:51:23 AM
Developers create fictional women in order to add sex appeal to a game and make it sell all the time, but someone uses a REAL woman who actually worked on the game and suddenly the same group who was probably drooling over scantily-clad fictional women gets all bent out of shape and starts making comics like that?
Post by: Kairon on November 19, 2007, 11:29:40 AM
Post by: vudu on November 19, 2007, 11:33:16 AM
Quote... Must resist making joke ... ... ...
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
She is obviously an experienced woman in this field.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 19, 2007, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on November 19, 2007, 12:56:22 PM
The woman, I don't even remember her name, shouldn't be portrayed the way she was in the comic. Her pictures did not involve sex appeal, and developers use their likeness to advertise their games all the time. How many times have people used David Jaffe in graphic sexual comics? Miyamoto? Iwata? Major Nelson? They don't. Now, a woman promotes a game she worked on, and what happens? Something terribly discriminating. It's people like the ones who made said comic that give feminists a chance to get their word out, and I know we all don't want that to happen...
Anyways, it really is sexist, especially since many men have done the exact same thing, but without any sexual consequences.
That's about it, I think. Although I really don't know what's going on.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2007, 01:07:51 PM
Sure they do, that's what this whole thing was flared up from in the first place...I've seen pictures of her and various other team members at times posing in the oddest places, as if they were modeling clothes or something...Maybe it's a French thing...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Her pictures did not involve sex appeal"
Sure they do, that's what this whole thing was flared up from in the first place...I've seen pictures of her and various other team members at times posing in the oddest places, as if they were modeling clothes or something...Maybe it's a French thing...
Talk about a stretch. You really are trying to rationalize despicable behavior aren't you? So now when you pose for pictures in odd places it is sexual? It is called trying to be dramatic, it has nothing do with sexualizing her or the staff.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2007, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: vudu on November 19, 2007, 02:09:27 PM
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QuoteI've seen Photoshops of J Allard looking all "too-cool-for-school", pictures of Ken Kutaragi looking crazier than he does in real life and about a million of Miyamoto dressed up like Link. These things are a type of twisted characticture--they over accentuate the subject's character traits. You can't deny that Ubisoft has been marketing Jade almost as much as they have been Assassin's Creed. The comic is merely a reaction to that.
Originally posted by: thatguy
How many times have people used David Jaffe in graphic sexual comics? Miyamoto? Iwata? Major Nelson? They don't. Now, a woman promotes a game she worked on, and what happens? Something terribly discriminating.
Post by: that Baby guy on November 19, 2007, 03:02:07 PM
If being a bold woman in her predominately male-dominated industry is sexually suggestive in general, then wow, I'm surprised. Anyways, she hasn't been trying to sell the game on sex, Ubisoft's PR hasn't been trying to sell the game on sex, once the comic got out there, Ubi's PR quickly went out and stated that this was not the intent on getting her face out there in correlation to the game. I have to disagree with you Bill. Her pictures are taken in the middle of nowhere, by the look of the pics on the first post, but there's nothing sexual there. Nothing at all. She's not bending over. She has nothing written on her chest. You can't see any underwear. She isn't licking her lips. She isn't standing in a seductive pose. You can't see down her shirt, or up her skirt. There's absolutely nothing sexual about the picture. She is an attractive woman, but I believe that being attractive doesn't mean you're using sex to sell something.
It's obvious that the comic is a reactions to the publicity Ubisoft is giving her. I won't argue that point, because it's completely true. The problem is that our reaction to a woman being a prominent game developer of a popular game shouldn't instantly mean sex when we see her. The same issue pops up everywhere, not just in games, and the real problem is that we're so used to having sex sell things, that we aren't used to it not selling things. If it were a man, a younger, more attractive man than those well known in the industry, then several women would likely perceive this the same way several men did. I suppose it can't be helped, but the least we can do is respect her and Ubi's PR enough to refuse these pictures as something of sexual nature.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 19, 2007, 08:01:38 PM
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November 15, 2007
VIA EXPRESS MAIL AND EMAIL
Attn: Richard Kyanka
webmaster@somethingawful.com
RE:
Infringement of ASSASSIN’S CREED Mark and Jade Raymond’s Personal, Privacy, and Publicity Rights
Dear Mr. Kyanka:
We are counsel to Ubisoft Entertainment S.A. (“Ubisoft”), publisher of the popular video game ASSASSIN’S CREED and employer of Ms. Jade Raymond (“Ms. Raymond”). Ubisoft is also the owner of the following U.S. trademark applications for the ASSASSIN’S CREED mark (the “Mark”): Serial No. 78850944; Serial No. 78866696; and Serial No. 78850968. In consequence of Ubisoft’s extensive efforts and expenditures, substantial goodwill has been built up for Ubisoft and the products and services sold under the Mark, and the ASSASSIN’S CREED game is one of the most widely anticipated games of the year.
Ubisoft has recently learned that the extremely offensive pornographic image (the “Image”) accessible at http://sabretooth.mirror.waffleimag...dd47ceb2a5.jpg, a copy of which is attached hereto, is being used on your website located at http://www.somethingawful.com and/or other related sites, including, but not limited to, http://forums.somethingawful.com (collectively, the “Site”). Such Image and misuse of the ASSASSIN’S CREED mark constitute trademark infringement, dilution, and unfair competition in violation of common law trademark rights, the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§1125(a) and 1125(c), and state law.
Furthermore, the Image’s blatant, vile, and unauthorized misappropriation of Ms. Raymond’s name and likeness, and your conduct in using the Image on your Site, have caused immeasurable harm to Ms. Raymond’s reputation and career, and constitute an egregious infringement of Ms. Raymond’s personal rights and privacy rights. The Image and your conduct also constitute an egregious unauthorized commercial exploitation of Ms. Raymond’s rights of publicity in violation of, without limitation, her common law rights of publicity and California Civil Code §3344, which provides in relevant part:
“Any person who knowingly uses another’s name, .., photograph, or likeness, in any manner, on or in products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods or services, without such person’s prior consent…shall be liable for any damages sustained by the person or persons injured as a result thereof.”
It is well established that a person who commercially exploits the name or likeness of someone without their consent is liable for all of the damages caused thereby. Additionally, the Image and your conduct in using the Image on the Site constitute unfair business practices and false advertising in violation of the California Business and Professions Code; intentional infliction of emotional distress; a violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §1125(a); and harassment, which is a criminal offense.
Please also note that any failure to comply with applicable privacy laws may result in direct action against you by the Federal Trade Commission, in addition to other litigation.
Ubisoft hereby demands that you immediately: (1) permanently remove the Image from your Site, databases and servers and prevent any further uploading or display thereof; (2) permanently cease and desist all unauthorized use and hosting of images using the ASSASSIN’S CREED mark and Ms. Raymond’s name and/or likeness; (3) provide us with the name and contact information of the person who originally created and/or posted the Image; and (4) complete, execute, and return to me the enclosed Declaration by November 16, 2007 to confirm that you are complying with Ubisoft’s demand.
While Ubisoft hopes to resolve this matter quickly and without resort to further legal action, Ubisoft reserves all rights to seek appropriate legal relief, including attorneys’ fees, injunctive relief, statutory damages, costs, and enhanced damages.
Sincerely,
David Anderson
for Nixon Peabody LLP
Dave Anderson
Nixon Peabody LLP
555 West 5th Street, 46th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90013
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Basically Ubisoft is threatening to sue me because somebody here posted an offsite link to a comic somebody else drew, and the comic featured a cartoon version of somebody sucking many dicks. I don't know where this image is located, I do not know who drew it, and the only vague connection to this site is because somebody posted a link to it on these forums. My reply to them, addressing their completely legitimate and wonderful lawsuit threat:
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From: Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka (webmaster@somethingawful.com)
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:06 PM
To: 'Anderson, David'
Cc: A BUNCH OF FRENCHIES
Subject: RE: NOTICE: Infringement of ASSASSIN'S CREED Mark and Jade Raymond's Personal, Privacy, and Publicity Rights
Please let it be known that hereforth I have read the express mail and email sent thereforth by Famous Lawyer David Anderson of the Famous Lawyer Law Business of Nixon Peabody LLP, and furthermore a declaration shall be expressed on the part of Internet User Rich “Lowtax” Kyanka that thatforth herethrough I have conducted rigorous tests implemented through a vigorous barrage of legal studies, and furthermore hitherthrough these rigorous tests have therefore proven Famous Lawyer David Anderson of the Famous Lawyer Law Business of Nixon Peabody LLP shall be recognized as a man of the f-- persuasion.
Pursuant to the United Dairy Council
Rich “Lowtax” Kyanka
Internet
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 19, 2007, 09:17:32 PM
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Look at the pictures in Shift Key's first post--it's an attractive woman front-and-center surrounded by a bunch of nameless people in the background who just happen to do all the work. There's a reason why Jade is the spokesperson for the game and no the director.
That's funny, because she's the producer.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 06:48:38 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu You can't deny that Ubisoft has been marketing Jade almost as much as they have been Assassin's Creed. The comic is merely a reaction to that.
The maker of the comic could have made an infinitely better satirical statement with a PG comic, one which Ubisoft would have seemed petty to attempt to shoot down.
But that was just gross and unwarranted. I do NOT want to see the gaming industry turn into a situation where companies need to have an attractive face to attach to their products in order to get them to sell (like Hollywood is now), but unless Jade posed for Playboy or her Maxim photos are all poses where it looks like she's about to go down on someone, then the comic is 100% out of left field and completely unwarranted.
The real irony is that Assassin's Creed doesn't have any sex appeal in the game (at least not as far as I've played). The closest thing you have is a blonde researcher but she's conservatively dressed as well.
Fun game so far, though. Pacing CAN be a bit slow, but the slow pacing balances out when you're running from guards trying to hide before they see you again.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 08:38:18 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 08:50:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 08:54:49 AM
And somehow riding your horse a little too fast is grounds to be chased by guards...Are there speed limits I didn't hear about?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 09:06:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion And somehow riding your horse a little too fast is grounds to be chased by guards...Are there speed limits I didn't hear about?
I aroused their suspicion just by getting ON my horse. To be fair, I jumped my horse over their wagon before that.
However, nothing was funnier when I saw a guard standing on a cliff edge and knocked him off by running into him which brought the pursuit upon me.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 20, 2007, 09:38:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion And somehow riding your horse a little too fast is grounds to be chased by guards...Are there speed limits I didn't hear about?
I aroused their suspicion just by getting ON my horse. To be fair, I jumped my horse over their wagon before that.
However, nothing was funnier when I saw a guard standing on a cliff edge and knocked him off by running into him which brought the pursuit upon me.
Lol, I have to buy this game now. I find it funny that this is yet another game where the PS3 version is inferior with a slower and more inconsistent framerate.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
Hahahaha, I did the same thing...I was all "Oh no, get out of my way!" *guard launched off cliff*
My favorite thing to do is lead guards up really high, then chuck them off...
Post by: stevey on November 20, 2007, 11:14:37 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 11:25:29 AM
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My favorite thing to do is lead guards up really high, then chuck them off...
Damn, I gotta try that...
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I seen the *original* comic and it not that bad (no nudity, everything just implied), it's nothing worst that a "It doesn't print money" PS3 photoshop.
Um, did the version you saw have sperm involved? When questioning the good taste quotient, I think spooge should always be the deal-breaker.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 07:10:33 PM
I've seen actual wrist daggers like the one in the game for sale in magazine catalogues and I'm almost tempted to order one, heh.
And on that note, my gripe with this game is that it's immensely easy. Seriously, I've killed near 30 guards at a time just because it's so simple to do. Every time a guard moves in to attack, you can simply press block+counter+the direction of the attacker and you'll either knock them away or slay them outright as the rest of the guards look on haplessly. I was hoping that the game would get harder, but thus far, I can see little reason to actually use these assassin skills to their fullest because there's no real danger in standing your ground and fighting. Also, the fact that there are so many achievements which focus on raw combat instead of stealth says to me that they realized the game will involve a great deal of hacking and slashing.
Still incredibly fun with an abnormally deep storyline, but they could have upped the difficulty a peg or two to at least force me to learn some new strategies.
Post by: Kairon on November 20, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 20, 2007, 08:45:15 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Lol are they really suing over a comic? I seen the *original* comic and it not that bad (no nudity, everything just implied), it's nothing worst that a "It doesn't print money" PS3 photoshop.
nah, they're just emailing illegitimate legal threats
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2007, 12:17:30 AM
(And haha, it's so sad because I want to give them coins like I do in Oblivion, but nup, no money...Then they follow you around for a little bit, and I have to jump to the rooftops to escape them...
) Oh yeah, Smash_Brother, do you know how to leaping hidden blade kill (where you jump from a higher place to instantly kill an opponent)? I've only been able to do it once and I have no idea how I did it...
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 21, 2007, 05:00:24 AM
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So... I heard some conspiracy theories that this game had some really way out there concepts like genetic memory or time travel... care to explain? Use spoiler tags if you need to.
It deals with genetic memory in the opening scene of the game.
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Back on the topic of sexism, why the hell have I seen only FEMALE beggers? O_o
There's an achievement called "Enemy of the Poor" for grabbing them and tossing them away from you.
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Oh yeah, Smash_Brother, do you know how to leaping hidden blade kill (where you jump from a higher place to instantly kill an opponent)? I've only been able to do it once and I have no idea how I did it...
I figured the hidden blade kill out last night and promptly fell in love with it.
Basically, if you've tapped dpad-up to select your hidden blade, if you get in range of any target and hit X, you'll leap upon them and jam the blade into their neck, and that includes leaping off of buildings at them. If you don't target them with Lt first, you might accidently leap onto the wrong person and kill them.
I've cleansed a city or two completely of guards now. My favorite is walking up to four guards standing in a row and leaping on one of them and neck stabbing. I hate how guards will block your dagger if they're already alerted, but it would be unstoppable if they didn't do so.
A new favorite ability of mine is using the tackle ability (once you earn it) to knock guards over and then attack them on the ground.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2007, 05:29:50 AM
Oh, and have any guards committed suicide in your game? There was one bit I was on a roof, with two guards on opposite sides...I figured the second would come after me once I took care of the first one, and just as I turn I see him plummeting off the side...And you get blamed for it too!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 21, 2007, 08:09:33 AM
I'm a bit disappointed that you can pretty much kill as many innocent people as you want so long as you do it over an extended period of time. They should have put some kind of mechanism to prevent you from doing that.
Also, water over your head is instant death, but it's also instant death for enemies so you can toss them into it and kill them (I dispatched a Templar this way).
I'm not a fan of the flag collectathon, but since it's not necessary, I guess it doesn't bother me.
Post by: Kairon on November 21, 2007, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: IceCold on November 21, 2007, 08:40:31 AM
From what I've seen and played of the game, there's only one word to describe it: clunky.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 21, 2007, 09:30:37 AM
It reminds me of one of those movies where the mysterious figure stands in the middle of a group of guards with their swords drawn, then one of the guards lunges forward to attack and the figure throws the guard off balance and slaughters him with the utmost east, leaving the remaining guards nervous and wary, often resulting in the guards fleeing from you.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 21, 2007, 12:40:28 PM
I mean that the game has a set way for you to do things, as if it expects you to do them that way, but doesn't punish you for completely ignoring that way and doing whatever you feel like.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 21, 2007, 12:57:38 PM
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And on that note, my gripe with this game is that it's immensely easy. Seriously, I've killed near 30 guards at a time just because it's so simple to do.
Wait, I think that is a good thing! Especially from someone that called Mario Galaxy easy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 22, 2007, 08:04:54 AM
On another note, I didn't even realize that you do a silent stealth kill when you're not holding the Rt. You can walk up to someone, kill them and then walk away without anyone knowing until the person actually falls down.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2007, 08:07:48 AM
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And on that note, my gripe with this game is that it's immensely easy. Seriously, I've killed near 30 guards at a time just because it's so simple to do.
Wait, I think that is a good thing! Especially from someone that called Mario Galaxy easy.
Just in case, I was the one that called Galaxy easy. S_B just started playing it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 22, 2007, 08:10:46 AM
If people are confusing you for me, then all is going according to plan...
I should create a dupe account called "Pap_Brother64".
Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 01:00:51 AM
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Since when did developers pose for photos in abandoned warehouses anyway? Maybe there's a sweatshop just out of the shot due to running out of budget money because of the additional PS3 porting.
Just had both of these guys talking about Assassin's Creed on late night Aussie TV. They're both boring and unappealing - I blame photoshop for this. Talk about thousands of images and hundreds of NPCs doesn't butter my bread.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2007, 05:15:05 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2007, 10:13:53 AM
I think it's ironic that walking past guards is suspicious but hugging one of them from behind while clasping my hand over his mouth isn't.
I got the 25 guards in one fight and 10 minute fight achievements. The trick is to piss off a bunch of guards, kill them down to 3, then run off to find some more while keeping the fight "going".
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 25, 2007, 01:09:02 PM
In any game, there are a set of rules which we, the players, are intended to abide by. Think of how, in any Mario game, we need to jump over pits to avoid death. If we fall off the platform, we lose a life. This is the norm and is something I don't think players are bothered by.
The primary issue with Assassin's Creed is that this expectation is not placed upon the player and the game loses a great deal of its difficulty and immersion value.
For example, every piece of advice, be it a hint during a loading screen or NPC interaction that the game gives you, is geared toward having you behave like a true assassin: running instead of fighting, hiding, using stealth, etc. However, the player is not at all punished for not doing any of this. You can run around killing as many guards as you want and as many innocent people as your "health" bar allows since you only lose 3 bits of health when you slay and innocent and these rapidly recharge anyway.
Even the achievements in the game focus mostly on lots of open combat: kill 25 guards in one fight, stay in battle for 10 minutes, let 100 people see you kill someone, etc. It's like the game had this awesome setup where you'd need to play by its rules and then the developers suddenly said, "You know what? F*ck it. Make the player a one man army, god of death where you can hold block and hit X for an instant kill and do so as many times as he/she wants with no fear or penalty."
I thought of what would have fixed this game perfectly: an awareness meter. When you go into a city, it's at zero. As you kill guards, civilians, cause disturbances, etc., the bar would charge up, and if you're running from guards, the bar would slowly fill until you've escaped them and vanished. If the bar fills up completely, your target will go into hiding and not come out, forcing you to leave the city for a while for it to "cool off" from your presence so you'll be able to walk the streets anonymously again, otherwise guards know you immediately and attack you on sight, and maybe an "elite" group of armored, invincible guards show up who you NEED to run from.
With that simple change, it would have forced players to REALLY behave like an assassin, not like now where you can just charge headlong into a group of guards and slaughter them with ease.
The game is still pretty fun, but I wish they had made it more immersive via something like the awareness bar to give it more realism.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 25, 2007, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: stevey on November 25, 2007, 02:07:59 PM
this might just be a glitch but then again the grunts and sound effect are just too perfect, lol
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 25, 2007, 03:36:26 PM
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I thought the game had an awareness bar? I know when I screw up and kill a guard, they are all watching me quite closely and react anytime I'm around them. One thing I do not care much for is the jumping back to present time, it messes with the immersion IMO.
That's a one time deal, though. After you escape the guards, you're anonymous again and you can walk past the same guards without issue.
I mean a meter which would fill up some more every time you made yourself known and, if filled completely, would make it so every guard knows who you are on sight and your target goes into hiding so you'd need to leave the city and try again later when they had stopped looking for you.
It would basically make it so you had to pick your battles and try your hardest to stay out of the eye of the law.
Right now, I walk around stealth-killing guards for the pure hell of it. If the goal of the assassin is to get to their target and go unnoticed (which makes sense as skittish targets would hear about the deaths of guards, you'd think, as gossip travels fast), then you should be punished for random killing.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
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I played some of the game this weekend. I think it's a great story, setting and style, but after you play it for a bit it feels like a game engine in search of a game.
I get that a bit, too.
And frankly, if Ubisoft hasn't approached DC Comics about the Batman license, they should.
Post by: Caliban on November 26, 2007, 07:22:17 AM
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Hot creed!
this might just be a glitch but then again the grunts and sound effect are just too perfect, lol
ROFL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 26, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
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I played some of the game this weekend. I think it's a great story, setting and style, but after you play it for a bit it feels like a game engine in search of a game.
I get that a bit, too.
And frankly, if Ubisoft hasn't approached DC Comics about the Batman license, they should.
Now that would be cool. The Assassin's Creed engine is PERFECT for stuff like that. I really hope we see it used again in another game.
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Maybe they can, but I couldn't do it anyways.
