Post by: Kairon on October 17, 2007, 08:01:27 AM
Hmm... what could it be? More Mario spinoffs? Or is Nintendo trying to farm out Star Fox to someone new because Namco screwed it up so bad?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2007, 08:13:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 08:18:47 AM
I don't trust THQ with ANYTHING...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 17, 2007, 08:20:25 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 17, 2007, 08:25:03 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 17, 2007, 08:36:20 AM
I know that Nintendo keeps very close watch on 3rd parties handling their franchises, but this seems a bit off.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 09:07:19 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 17, 2007, 09:08:12 AM
Post by: vudu on October 17, 2007, 09:12:29 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 17, 2007, 09:16:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 09:24:32 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Kairon said it's an unknown IP from Nintendo. Everyone knows Mario and Punchout. It's obviously Radar Scope.
You just caught yourself in a logic paradox there, Epimenides!
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2007, 09:32:59 AM
And yes I know Bill already said that, it just needs reiterating.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 09:40:24 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 17, 2007, 09:44:32 AM
"UPDATE: A THQ representative has since stated that the filing is a standard Wii developer agreement, suggesting that there is no specific Nintendo character/franchise being licensed."
So looks like a false alarm. Though with Nintendo being so spin-off happy it is frighteningly believable.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 17, 2007, 09:53:58 AM
Upon rereading the article with a new perspective, the intellectual property in question could simply be Nintendo's code in the devkit.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 17, 2007, 10:34:26 AM
That's not quite so offensive. Having third party games use the Miis would be a nice touch. I don't even care if the games sucked. I'm opposed to Nintendo characters being used in a shovelware. The Mii is not a real character anyway. It's supposed to be US so having ourselves in a crappy game doesn't matter. A whole bunch of them ask for my name anyway so Ian Sane is already embarassing himself in a sh!tty game anyway.
Post by: Darkheart on October 17, 2007, 10:36:34 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
SpongeBob and Mario at the Winter Olympics.
Hilarity at its best I lol'd hard
Post by: anubis6789 on October 17, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Please not Star Fox...The franchise really deserves to be developed in-house after 3 straight mediocre games... ;_;
I don't trust THQ with ANYTHING...
Why does everyone hate Command? It may not be the best Starfox game but it sure as hell does not deserve to be lumped in with the likes of Assault and Adventure.
Do not give me that "its only considered good because the last two where so bad" crap, its good enough to stand on its own, and at the risk of negating my own argument I will say: at least in my opinion.
On topic: Thank God! For a minute I actually thought that Nintendo had gone insane, in a bad way, and might have actually allowed a company like THQ to use one of their properties, even if it could have been something obscure that no one cares about like Radar Scope or Sky Skipper.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 12:34:05 PM
Forcing me to do everything with the touch screen really put a huge damper on the game...They could of at LEAST allowed me to do barrel rolls with a button, because trying to fly and barrel roll at the same time was bloody near-impossible and frustrating... =\
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 17, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 17, 2007, 01:38:23 PM
Star Fox - 2.99 million worlwide
Star Fox 64 - 4.03 million worldwide
Star Fox Adventure - 1.85 million worldwide
Star Fox Assault - Last time I saw anything it was around 500,000 maybe more worldwide
Star Fox Command - This one I have no real idea. I think it did 100,000 it's first month in America and then dropped and in Japan I think it was close to 100,000. No idea about Europe but considering the series was usually most popular in America and then Japan, I'm guessing Europe sales wont add much.
So as you can see the series has gone from a huge sales franchise with Star Fox 64 into a small niche with Command. In order for the series to become popular again something major needs to be done and I'm sure Nintendo knows now that they are the only ones that can do it.
Because if it gets farmed out to one more third party then we can consider the Star Fox series offically dead because it would say Nintendo doesn't even care about the series anymore.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 02:01:19 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2007, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: son of lucas on October 17, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well Miyamoto expressed his diapproval over the recent Star Fox games, so I'm hoping that means something...
Wasn't Miyamoto the one who shoehorned Star Fox into Dinosaur Planet in the first place?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2007, 02:46:51 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2007, 03:13:45 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2007, 03:36:38 PM
Post by: The Traveller on October 17, 2007, 11:18:15 PM
- New System (Sehii System)
- 15 planets + Debris fields etc
- Set it in the middle of a huge war
- De-age all the characters back to what they were in Starfox 64 (Basically set it before adventure)
- Make the ships actually feel like they are fast.
- Have different ship characteristics/Customisation
- Have a couple of larger battle sequences where you control the Great Fox. (Different characters could have different jobs like firing weapons etc)
- Blue Marine and Landmaster are back. Along with on foot missions, but they are now On-Rails. (Sin/Punishment)
- Levels are mostly Arwing On-Rails Shooting.
- All range mode comes back but is no longer limited to boss battles only.
- Branching pathways - System/Map Screen
- Branching pathways - Inside the levels themselves. Each stage has at least two bosses, although its hard to find the alternate paths you have to work to find them.
- Secrets such as warps and entire bonus levels.
- You can play as either Fox,Falco,Slippy & Peppy
- Voice acting in the style of Starfox 64 but with heaps more lines.
- You can issue commands, like in the Rouge Squadron games.
- Really nice graphics at 60fps with the ability for a lot of on screen enemies
- 4-Player Co-Op & Battle (Local)
- Online Battle mode and Co-Op
There Nintendo go make it! :P
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2007, 12:18:39 AM
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Originally posted by: The Traveller
Thing is its so easy to make another great Starfox game!
- New System (Sehii System)
- 15 planets + Debris fields etc
- Set it in the middle of a huge war
- De-age all the characters back to what they were in Starfox 64 (Basically set it before adventure)
- Make the ships actually feel like they are fast.
- Have different ship characteristics/Customisation
- Have a couple of larger battle sequences where you control the Great Fox. (Different characters could have different jobs like firing weapons etc)
- Blue Marine and Landmaster are back. Along with on foot missions, but they are now On-Rails. (Sin/Punishment)
- Levels are mostly Arwing On-Rails Shooting.
- All range mode comes back but is no longer limited to boss battles only.
- Branching pathways - System/Map Screen
- Branching pathways - Inside the levels themselves. Each stage has at least two bosses, although its hard to find the alternate paths you have to work to find them.
- Secrets such as warps and entire bonus levels.
- You can play as either Fox,Falco,Slippy & Peppy
- Voice acting in the style of Starfox 64 but with heaps more lines.
- You can issue commands, like in the Rouge Squadron games.
- Really nice graphics at 60fps with the ability for a lot of on screen enemies
- 4-Player Co-Op & Battle (Local)
- Online Battle mode and Co-Op
There Nintendo go make it! :P
The only things I don't like are 15 planets (they can do much better than that) and on-foot missions and controlling the Great Fox (they just don't fit, and on-rails on-foot doesn't sound like any fun). 4-Player Co-op is a must, and Battle should be based off of Assault (it got the multiplayer pretty good, with some tweaking it could be great).
More 64 Corneria-style multi-boss missions is a good idea, and so is multiple ship configurations (kind of like F-Zero's different racers and tweaking options). I love the idea of setting it during a full-fledged war, with the Star Fox team in command of a larger squadron of fighters, and a Rogue Squadron-style ability to issue commands to your wingmates is freaking brilliant.
I like the idea of a Blue Marine return, preferably changing from biological enemies to something like an underwater fortress where they're building a massive weapon (I stole that concept from an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise, but judging by that show's ratings only 14 other people know that). And let me control the movement of the Arwing with the analog stick on the nunchuk and control the aiming cursor with the Wiimote pointer.
Post by: jakeOSX on October 18, 2007, 02:49:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Star Fox Adventure - 1.85 million worldwide
surely somewhere in there is another person who liked this game...
i thought adventure was great. yes it wasn't a space ship game, but it was a great game in itself.
now, what would be interesting would be to combine the two kinds of games, A LA Sigma Six, ground work in an Action RPG style with numerous space battles (battles, not so much levels....)
if only they put out starfox like they do megaman they could try things like this.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 18, 2007, 06:09:15 AM
It wasn't really a Star Fox game, but it was still a lot of fun for me.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 18, 2007, 06:18:46 AM
If you wanted to revive Scooby Doo you sure as hell wouldn't put Scrabby Doo in it, would you? So no Krystal. Hell Star Fox Adventure takes place years later. There is tons of space in between to put games in.
And at absolutely no time should my character EVERY LEAVE THE VEHICLE. And Star Fox Command's graphic design looks f*cking horrible so never use it ever again.
For new ideas to the formula obvious four player co-op is a given and Rogue Leader has tons of kickass ideas to steal.
Post by: Mashiro on October 18, 2007, 06:40:17 AM
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If you wanted to revive Scooby Doo you sure as hell wouldn't put Scrabby Doo in it, would you?
Massive MASSIVE spoiler: ScraPPy Doo is the main villain of the first live action movie!
But I do agree with the rest of your post
Post by: Stogi on October 18, 2007, 06:49:27 AM
You guys have it all wrong. Everyone knows that what makes Starfox great is all the evasive maneuvering you have to do (USE THE BOOST TO GET THROUGH!). They really need to focus back on the flying aspect and then break it down for a boss or two along the way.
I'm talking about starfox flying through a canyon similar to the one in F-Zero GX where boulders and pillars start falling over. I want to see combo after combo of fast paced movement (similar to DK: JB). I want to be forced through tight corridors flying vertical. I want to be able to use the environment to my advantage.
There's so much potential.
Post by: Crimm on October 18, 2007, 07:52:48 AM
The correct response to this news is "DEAR GOD, NO!" Please make appropriate corrections.
Thank you,
Mgnt.
Post by: son of lucas on October 18, 2007, 07:59:54 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
If you wanted to revive Scooby Doo you sure as hell wouldn't put Scrabby Doo in it, would you?
Massive MASSIVE spoiler: ScraPPy Doo is the main villain of the first live action movie!
But I do agree with the rest of your post
He was? I must have repressed that memory.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 18, 2007, 08:03:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I also liked SFA.
It wasn't really a Star Fox game, but it was still a lot of fun for me.
I would call SFA a "par" Zelda clone. Its neither better than Zelda nor its bad. The story was pretty good with some truly funny moments (like Fox gawking at Krystal and Peppy snapping him out of it). and some parts were fun but the whole thing was forgettable, it focused too much on collecting, parts felt monotonous and the battle with Scales is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in games.
Like I said, it was par. Not good but not bad either.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 18, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
That's probably a fair assessment. The problem with me is that Zelda sets the bar so high that I pretty much hate all Zelda clones.
I tried really hard to like Star Fox Adventures but gave up once I realized I wasn't having any fun. Penny Arcade made a funny comic about all the stupid crap you have to collect that sums up the game perfectly. It became a chore to play. I also hated every Star Fox reference in it since I did not like how Miyamoto was shoehorning the IP in the game and didn't feel any of the Star Fox stuff fit. The voices are also crap.
With SFA it was like all the bad habits Rare had that I tolerated in their other games suddenly took center stage and all of the stuff I liked about Rare games took a backseat. Then you get corporate interference with the Star Fox IP and the result isn't nice. SFA feels soulless like no one involved in the game gave a sh!t about the final result provided it was a quality product in technical merits like responsive controls and good graphics. I get a similar feel from EA games - technically competent but too commercial to have any pride showing through in the work. And it makes sense because why would you care if Nintendo told you that you had to get rid of the story and the characters and the world you had been working on for years in favour of an existing IP and everything needs to be done by such and such a date?
It was shocking that Miyamoto suggested it. The guy is a fellow game designer so you'd THINK he would have more artistic integrity. Turns out he's just a businessman, though one with a major talent for designing games.
Post by: Rhoq on October 19, 2007, 02:01:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
He made gaming and he will destroy it.
That is his right.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 20, 2007, 03:55:09 AM
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For example ditch Krystal completely.
Agreed!!! Let's just pretend she didn't exist.
