Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 03:04:55 PM
Melee featured 3 classic SSB 64 stages (Yoshi's Story, Kirby's Dreamland and Kongo Jungle) so its more than likely that Brawl will feature classic SSB64 and Melee stages. The question is, which ones do YOU want to see return?
Here are my choices:
SSB 64: Hyrule Castle, Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Building, Great Fox
SSB Melee: Big Blue, Classic Mushroom Kingdom, Dream fountain, Fourside, Mute City, Hyrule Temple
Post by: Arbok on October 15, 2007, 03:59:19 PM
SSB - Hyrule Castle, Saffron City (Pokémon Building as you called it)
SSBM - Great Fox, Final Destination, Hyrule Temple
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 04:14:29 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 15, 2007, 04:34:33 PM
Melee: Corneria (Great Fox), Big Blue, Hyrule Temple, Fourside
I'm sure Final Destination and Classic Mushroom Kingdom will both be remade...
Post by: Shecky on October 15, 2007, 04:57:36 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on October 15, 2007, 05:04:27 PM
I want the original Mario Bros. level, above Peach's castle. I'd also like Saffron City and Hyrule Castle.
I hope that most Melee levels are back, but they can keep Icicle Mountain.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 15, 2007, 05:24:06 PM
They have 3GB of space to work with now. If they don't have all the SSB64 AND Melee levels, they're slackin'.
Post by: Adrock on October 15, 2007, 05:38:18 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 15, 2007, 05:52:19 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 15, 2007, 05:54:32 PM
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Either way, I wouldn't even care if the stages weren't updated graphically. I just want them in.
That would be cool. They couldn't be that hard to include.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
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ALL OF THEM AND NOT ONE LEVEL LESS.
They have 3GB of space to work with now. If they don't have all the SSB64 AND Melee levels, they're slackin'.
Unfortunately, the space is being taken by stickers, trophies and Kojima's ego...
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Post by: Adrock on October 15, 2007, 06:19:10 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 15, 2007, 06:51:31 PM
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I'd prefer they be remade. That way the stages would be rebuilt with the Brawl characters in mind and they could change what didn't work.
I agree, but I'd take them either way.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 15, 2007, 06:56:54 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2007, 07:18:59 PM
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Dootey Doot Doo Doo.
Post by: Mashiro on October 15, 2007, 11:05:10 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
World 1-2
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Dootey Doot Doo Doo.
You fail at wording out the world 1-2 song.
That's a ban-able offense!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 16, 2007, 01:36:16 AM
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Mario Kart DS really upped the ante for old level inclusion in these kinds of games. Two or three will seem like a disappointment, there needs to be like a dozen.
Yeah, even Mario Strikers Charged featured classic stages.
Its seems like a no-brainer to me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 16, 2007, 05:42:30 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 16, 2007, 05:44:51 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 16, 2007, 05:48:24 AM
And it actually saves them time and inflates their stage count if they include more classic stages (and they're not pressed for time like Melee was).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 16, 2007, 05:55:19 AM
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MK: DS had space issues to grapple with, though.
And it actually saves them time and inflates their stage count if they include more classic stages (and they're not pressed for time like Melee was).
Well I hope your right, but I'm not going to hold my breath!
Post by: ShyGuy on October 16, 2007, 05:56:24 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
World 1-2
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Dootey Doot Doo Doo.
You fail at wording out the world 1-2 song.
That's a ban-able offense!
What's the proper enunciation then?
(BTW, I used to pronounce your name Mash-er-row until I heard Karl say it on the podcast, then I was like oh yeah, Japanese LOL!)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 16, 2007, 05:58:07 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
World 1-2
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Dootey Doot Doo Doo.
You fail at wording out the world 1-2 song.
That's a ban-able offense!
What's the proper enunciation then?
(BTW, I used to pronounce your name Mash-er-row until I heard Karl say it on the podcast, then I was like oh yeah, Japanese LOL!)
I pronounce your name as but-hed.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 16, 2007, 06:13:54 AM
I would like the Hyrule Temple level back since that was a great level, and one of the larger battle areas.
Princess Peach Castle would be great to include as well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2007, 06:22:00 AM
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It is Nintendo we are talking about, I really doubt they will include ANY classic stage much less all of them. Mario Kart DS had a chance to include most of the classic stages but Nintendo opted to include some of them instead.
Usually I'd excuse such a post, but having that horrible Heavenly Sword avatar makes me angry! *INCOMING*
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 16, 2007, 06:49:17 AM
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I would like to see the Melee Pokemon Stadium Return, since I would like to have the variety of both.
Well considering the Pokemon Stadium in Brawl is called Pokemon Stadium 2, I think it's very likely that the one from Melee will return. I mean, it'd make no sense to call Brawl's level Pokemon Stadium 2 if it's the only Pokemon Stadium level in the game. There has to be a Pokemon Stadium 1 in the game in order to have a 2.
I'm predicting they'll be about 12 classic stages in Brawl. Yes I know they could easily include all of them but I get the feeling they'll only going to include the real popular ones. Now if they include all of them I'll be very happy but I like to expect less that way I wont be dissapointed in the end like some of you might.
Post by: nickmitch on October 16, 2007, 06:50:13 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 16, 2007, 07:42:30 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 16, 2007, 07:51:30 AM
It's hard to even remember some of the N64 stages now, but I'd like to see the return of Hyrule Castle, the Mushroom Kingdom stage with working warp pipes, the Peach's Castle stage with the back-and-forth platform, and the Pokemon stage. I don't remember if I didn't like any of the N64 stages, but Melee's Brinstar Depths and Icicle Mountain are too badly designed to bother porting over.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 16, 2007, 07:57:14 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
World 1-2
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo.
Dootey Doot Doo Doo.
You fail at wording out the world 1-2 song.
That's a ban-able offense!
What's the proper enunciation then?
"Dubba dubba dubba," I believe.
Post by: Mashiro on October 16, 2007, 08:51:02 AM
The way it you typed it out makes it seem like 4 notes and then it stops before going to the next chain of notes. With doo's it would look like doo doo doo doo do do or something. It's missing 2 notes. =)
Or at least it seems like it's missing 2 notes to me.
Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2007, 09:02:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 16, 2007, 09:13:02 AM
Making everyone 2D was a near effect, but the stage was still far too claustrophobic.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2007, 10:09:16 AM
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I don't remember if I didn't like any of the N64 stages, but Melee's Brinstar Depths and Icicle Mountain are too badly designed to bother porting over.
How dare you! Brinstar Depths is awesome!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 16, 2007, 10:14:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: Mashiro on October 16, 2007, 10:27:44 AM
Post by: HadesGigas on October 16, 2007, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 16, 2007, 12:05:04 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 16, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
This is just a personal observation but I get the feeling they want players to play on nearly all stages and in order to do so many of them make you fight in front of the landscape on platforms as opposed to in the landscape.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 16, 2007, 01:01:45 PM
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I do think, however, that the stage designs in Brawl not involving the characters being ON the actual stage and instead on platforms more akin to final destination and the other...stage which name I forget (it's like final destination only with 3 platforms where you can jump to . . . you fight the wire frame guys there . . . you know what I am talking about) is a clear indication that maybe they understand that the large majority of players stick with levels with a more "classic" layout then the others.
This is just a personal observation but I get the feeling they want players to play on nearly all stages and in order to do so many of them make you fight in front of the landscape on platforms as opposed to in the landscape.
To quote what Bill said earlier.
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11 of out 16 known stages have fighting take place on an "actual level"
Most of the stages have actually taken place on actual locations themselves, not to mention a lot of them are very crazy this time, much more then Melee's stages were. Just read what IGN said about the stages.
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Each of the levels of course incorporate random elements from their world, so the castle from Fire Emblem will blow apart as AI begins to lay siege to it, while random Pokemon interrupt the action in Pokemon Stadium 2. Aside from these chance elements the levels also morph, changing from full-grounded worlds to sporadic floating platforms or shifting levels of ground. Level evolution looks to be a huge focus this time around, and it works wonderfully, as our free-for-all fights were not only about person vs. person survival, but also a constant battle for an ever-changing position against a world that - quite frankly - didn't seem to want us there. My personal favorite as far as levels go has to be the Bridge of Eldin from Zelda, as it's a no-BS flat world that allows for the purist face-off I play the game for. Of course you'll still need to watch out for charging warthogs…
Or 1Ups preview
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As in Melee, the different game-inspired backdrops in Brawl change throughout the match. The difference is that in Brawl the permutations seem to happen much more often; something is constantly happening in the background while you're fighting, adding to the frenzied feeling of the matches. And not only cosmetically -- the environments are certainly more interactive than ever before, with changing platforms, screen movement, and even hazards. Take the lava-themed level from Metroid for example: The burning magma rises and falls, with the screen persistently scrolling to new formations of platforms. On occasion, a large wave of molten lava even pushes across the screen vertically from the left, reducing the safe area to a tiny lone platform -- with four players fighting to stay on it, things can get pretty hectic as you can imagine. Even small details, like the current match leader showing up on the scoreboard in the background of the Pokemon Stadium, are there for those who look.
So in reality, they're actually trying to make more stages crazy like Brinstar Depth and less simple stages like Final Destination.
Post by: Mashiro on October 16, 2007, 01:15:46 PM
The foundation for the levels are more like the two stages I mentioned, with crazy elements added in. I think this creates a more uniform setting for the stages while at the same time allowing them to have unique and changing elements to them.
Maybe a better example would be the original Pokemon stadium. Where you have a normal stage with changing elements. I always liked that one as it started out normal enough then it just went and changed things up. Where as stages like Brinstar Depths was just a rotating rock and certain people dreaded it.
I love the direction it seems to be going in.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 16, 2007, 01:20:52 PM
Post by: vudu on October 17, 2007, 07:23:12 AM
Post by: Mashiro on October 17, 2007, 07:58:53 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2007, 08:41:16 AM
The only one I did enjoy playing was the F-Zero Side Scrolling racing level, and I would want that one to return in some form or another.
