Post by: that Baby guy on September 28, 2007, 09:14:25 AM
What do I do to fix it
the keys all have switched places
When I type the qwerty line I get
',.pyfgcrl
w/o symbols
Post by: ShyGuy on September 28, 2007, 09:15:58 AM
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 09:18:32 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 28, 2007, 09:20:41 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Did you somehow enable a Dvorak keyboard layout?
yes
how do I fix it
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
cant do that
I made it worse
And now I fixed it. Ctrl + Shift. Ctrl and Shift. That combo alters your keyboard, at least in Firefox. Try it folks!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2007, 11:46:22 AM
Help! Not just...
Oh...
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 12:19:10 PM
qwerty
Nope, Ctrl + Shift doesn't do anything for me. Must be some sort of add-on that was installed on the library's computer.
Post by: Svevan on September 28, 2007, 12:56:11 PM
Post by: Zach on September 28, 2007, 12:57:21 PM
Edit: apperantly once you load it, then you can just use Ctrl + shift
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 29, 2007, 05:09:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
If you're on a Mac, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
I agree!
Post by: Mashiro on September 29, 2007, 05:48:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Infernal MonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: Svevan
If you're on a Mac, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
I agree!
Worst. Fix. Ever.
You fail.
Post by: stevey on September 29, 2007, 06:18:21 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Originally posted by: Infernal MonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: Svevan
If you're on a Mac, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
I agree!
Greatest. Fix. Ever.
You win.
Yep!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 29, 2007, 06:22:27 AM
So I don't see what's the big deal Evan. Are you trying to pump up your ego more or something?
Post by: wandering on September 29, 2007, 08:06:04 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Now, I wasn't on a Mac, but if I were, what would be the problem there? Thanks to dual-booting capabilities, there's nothing a PC can do that a Mac can't, right?
Nothing except be an overpriced piece of crap that has a bloated, inefficient, overrated operating system taking up space on the harddrive!
Post by: Mashiro on September 29, 2007, 08:34:22 AM
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Nothing except be an overpriced piece of crap that has a bloated, inefficient, overrated operating system taking up space on the harddrive!
Flagged for massive ignorance and fail.
Edit: and thatguy evan didn't say that
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2007, 08:46:46 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Nothing except be an overpriced piece of crap that has a bloated, inefficient, overrated operating system taking up space on the harddrive!
Eating too much chocolate pudding can make you bloated and inefficient!
Agreed!
Post by: Zach on September 29, 2007, 08:49:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Nothing except be an overpriced piece of crap that has a bloated, inefficient, overrated operating system taking up space on the harddrive!
Eating too much chocolate pudding can make you bloated and inefficient!
Agreed!
But at least you would be happy!!
Post by: decoyman on September 29, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
This... is how a Mac vs. PC thread is born! Watch, as we nurture it carefully, carefully... we will fill our posts with just enough to be on-topic, then throw in our views about the real discussion going on between the lines.
"DVORAK? What's that?
"See how it grows so quickly, so suddenly, from a mere glancing mention of a Mac OS. See it and believe its destiny! Svevan, you planted this righteous seed. Thatguy, you gave the life-sustaining soil while Infernal, you provided the life-giving water. Mashiro, you were the very sun!, shining down upon this tiny little speck of possibility! And wandering... dear wandering... you sat carefully next to the little bud, and delicately uncovered its first spring green shoot from the fertile soil.
And now, now my friends, we have witnessed the thread turn fully to the care and upbringing of this: our offspring, yea, our child!
We shall never be the same.
P.S. - Macs rule!
edit: this post should have been read with a British accent.
Post by: vudu on September 29, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
QuoteYou really should put that little disclaimer at the beginning of the post rather than at the end.
Originally posted by: decoymanedit: this post should be read with a British accent.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 29, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2007, 09:54:48 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
I'm as angry as a girl who has had an eel stuffed down her blouse! But fluffy clouds calm me down!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 29, 2007, 10:14:10 AM
Post by: nickmitch on September 29, 2007, 10:22:01 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
I say stuff like that all the time.
Post by: EasyCure on September 29, 2007, 10:32:46 AM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
edit: this post should be read with a British accent.
weird.. i did that before i read the edit
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 29, 2007, 05:26:55 PM
WHO WILL WIN
LACK OF QUESTION MARK
BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS
AMIGA
"ONLY AMIIIIIGAAAAA"
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 29, 2007, 05:44:59 PM
QuoteXD
Originally posted by: Infernal MonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: Svevan
If you're on a Mac, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
I agree!
WINNAH!
Post by: Mashiro on September 29, 2007, 05:46:37 PM
I, for one, was glad they showed the making of the song as it sent chills down my spine. Pure gold =D
Post by: decoyman on September 29, 2007, 07:21:20 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
What about me? I'm the only one who's been of any help at all!QuoteYou really should put that little disclaimer at the beginning of the post rather than at the end.
Originally posted by: decoymanedit: this post should have been read with a British accent.
Oops, fixed.
Actually, you weren't helping the Mac vs. PC (can someone change the name now, anyways?) thread. You were helping its old identity (the DVORAK identity), but it's clear that you did nothing to help what it was destined to become. That's why I left you out.
ONLY THE UNWORTHY FAIL TO SEE HOW THE "OFF-TOPIC" HAS BECOME THE "ON-TOPIC"! BEGONE, HEATHENS!
P.S. – Macs still rule
/mirth!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 29, 2007, 07:36:29 PM
Post by: Svevan on September 29, 2007, 08:22:14 PM
This of course does not answer the great Mac v. PC debate - most people who DO debate seem to know more than me about hard drives, RAM, security, Gigamajiggers, and other things. I find the OS to be elegant and efficient, I can leave my Mac on for weeks at a time, and I have never had it crash (had it for over a year). This is much more than I can say for Windows, which I have been using in all its iterations since 1998.
But! But! Here's the problem. If one of the platforms indeed DOES have a superiority over the other, the person who uses the inferior platform will be forced to deny that there is a problem, creating a fanboy flamewar that has no purpose other than to justify the thousand dollar purchase. It's like we can't see the trees for the forest (if you'll let me say that): we're so concerned with who "wins" that we can't understand that Macs and PCs have many many many differences, and each has strengths and weaknesses.
I find that most flamewars seem to be justifications for isolationism rather than qualitative and quantitative comparisons of fact and opinion (see: Halo thread, the Sony fanboys of yore, etc.). I own a Mac. I switched because it had things I needed. I think PCs are worse, but I have to admit that there are things I can't do with my Mac - I wish PC users would admit the inverse as well, but we've grown as a society to believe that blue screens and daily reboots are just a part of computing. Oh well.
Post by: Crimm on September 29, 2007, 08:47:34 PM
Post by: vudu on September 30, 2007, 04:06:24 AM
QuoteYou really should turn off your computer at night and when you're not around during the day. You're wasting electricity.
Originally posted by: Svevan
I can leave my Mac on for weeks at a time, and I have never had it crash (had it for over a year).
Post by: Mashiro on September 30, 2007, 05:15:34 AM
The more you know.
Post by: vudu on September 30, 2007, 05:44:59 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 30, 2007, 06:09:37 AM
Macs 4 Life.
Edit: I still say the cooling down and warming up cycles to a HDD can cause damage to it over time as opposed to leaving it on/putting it into a sleeping state, haven't heard differently nor have I found evidence to say otherwise.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 30, 2007, 12:42:47 PM
QuoteSorry Evan, but you completely phail
Originally posted by: Svevan
P.S. It's much harder to install new languages on a PC than it is on a Mac, Dvorak included. Plus, the Mac conveniently allows me to decide whether I want to use Dvorak in all of my programs or in some of them. The PC decides this for me, and it makes the wrong choice.
Right now, on this XP PC, I have installed the following languages:
- Spain Spanish
- Uruguayan Spanish (because the 2 have different special symbols and are distributed differently)
- English
- Japanese
And setting them was easy as hell, as is changing between them (and setting the default one)
the only big advantages of a Mac over a PC are that it has no viruses, and that it's idiot-proof...
Post by: Mashiro on September 30, 2007, 02:29:48 PM
Macs are indeed virus free and "idiot" proof, but more important, it just works. The OS gets the hell our of your way when you are doing what you need to do, where as windows feels like it gets in the way more times than not. OS X and it's yearly updates or so keeps the system fresh and continues to advance the (superior) platform as opposed to Windows which takes upwards of 6 years to release a supped up version of XP with nice effects.
While it may come down to preferences I don't understand why people would take windows over OS X, or even some linux machines for that matter. The only thing windows has is more games.
Post by: bustin98 on September 30, 2007, 03:47:58 PM
As for the stress created turning a system on and off every day varies greatly by manufacturer and model and a host of other considerations. The biggest spike is seen on the motherboard as harddrives and memory and other components recieve power through it. I've seen more CPUs damaged through actual power spikes through the lines during use rather than a boot. I've also seen more corrupted harddrive data through 'sleep mode' than any other activity. Granted, that was a few years ago, but I still would find it difficult to recommend it as an alternative to turning the system off.
Either way, the question becomes mute once a HDD is damaged. Just make sure you have some sort of data backup on a regular basis. Some day, everything with moving parts will fail. Everything that depends on magnetism as a storage medium will lose its ability to hold a charge.
Post by: Ceric on September 30, 2007, 04:02:04 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 30, 2007, 05:41:01 PM
Also, Macs have no viruses because no one bothers to write them. Too few victims. Nobody in the security field disputes that it can be done.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2007, 05:58:39 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 30, 2007, 06:02:06 PM
Also, Macs being virus free because (evidently) no one wants to bother with it is pure bull sh*t. Mac OS X has a larger user base than OS 9 and below and there are instances of viruses occurring on those Mac OS versions. So shenanigans on that.
Post by: Stogi on September 30, 2007, 06:17:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
LITTLE MAC VS P(INK) C(ONDOMS)
WHO WILL WIN
LACK OF QUESTION MARK
BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS
AMIGA
"ONLY AMIIIIIGAAAAA"
Worst. Song. Ever.
Someone should put something in that bitch's mouth, my zipper's stuck.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2007, 12:14:37 AM
Mashiro: There are viruses for MacOS x, there's just no epidemics because those require a large base of possible hosts.
Post by: wandering on October 02, 2007, 03:45:25 AM
Really?? Name one.
Post by: Mashiro on October 02, 2007, 06:21:35 AM
The closest thing to a virus was some malicious proof of concept code that could only be executed on a local machine deliberately by turning off specific safety features.
So to date, Mac OS X is virus free.
Edit: Furthermore, there are around 22 million people running various versions of OS X, and apple has said it themselves, it's their most successful OS to date in terms of user base. So, the whole "lack of users, lack of viruses" is a false proof and really has no foundation of being the reason why OS X is virus free. Again, see previous versions of Mac OS's (OS 7 for example) and you will find there were viruses written for pre-OS X based Macs.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2007, 06:55:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
There has never been a documented case of a virus being "contracted", so to speak, onto an OS X machine in the open environment.
The closest thing to a virus was some malicious proof of concept code that could only be executed on a local machine deliberately by turning off specific safety features.
So to date, Mac OS X is virus free.
Edit: Furthermore, there are around 22 million people running various versions of OS X, and apple has said it themselves, it's their most successful OS to date in terms of user base. So, the whole "lack of users, lack of viruses" is a false proof and really has no foundation of being the reason why OS X is virus free. Again, see previous versions of Mac OS's (OS 7 for example) and you will find there were viruses written for pre-OS X based Macs.
And how many Windows users are there?
Post by: Mashiro on October 02, 2007, 07:02:47 AM
Where, again, I point to previous versions of Mac OS's in the pre-OS X days which had LESS of a user base (and were, you guessed it, out with windows, while windows still ruled the world, still with an insane amount of users). So why were there viruses on those Mac OS's while OS X remains virus free?
Again, the fact of the matter is that point of "lack of users = lack of viruses" is false.
Edit: Windows could be relatively or completely virus free as well if maybe Microsoft weren't cowards and actually did what they originally intended to do with Vista, which was similar to what Apple did with OS X, where it completely rebuilt the OS from the ground up. Instead they took 6 years to go the easy route and gives users a subbed up XP. ::Shrugs:: Yeah it would have been more people being involved in the conversion process but it would have payed off in the end, in my eyes at least.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on October 02, 2007, 07:15:13 AM
P.S. I like Macs.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
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Originally posted by: ViewtifulGamer
Did anyone else see this thread and think of John C. Dvorack?
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
For a moment I was thinking that Dvorak analyst dude was hacking random macs.
As for the OSX virus question, yes there are technically no viruses for OSX but there are other kinds of malware like worms, trojans and rootkits which in common language are included in the "virus" term.
Post by: Svevan on October 02, 2007, 11:09:26 PM
