Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 03:34:13 PM
My previous list:
Zack and Wiki
Super Mario Galaxy
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Godzilla Unleashed
Brothers in Arms: Double Time (Maybe)
Bully (Maybe)
NinjaBread Man (Maybe)
Harvey Birdman (Maybe)
Soul Calibur Legends (Maybe)
This isn't counting DS titles. I figure I should trim it down to four. My current list is
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Super Smash Bros Brawl
and I'm torn between Zack and Wiki and Galaxy. TORN.
My reasonings for the titles are thus: MOH:H2 is an online game and it's always a good idea to get in on the ground floors with those titles so you can play with your friends and keep up skill wise. Same Reasoning for SSB:B. I have a friend who wants to play RE:UC coop when it comes out, so I may have to get a zapper as well. Now, Sophie's choice is Z&W
FBT and SMG. I want to support a new IP by Capcom, but on the other hand, Mario. Galaxy. Super. I'm just glad No More Heroes and Endless Ocean are getting delayed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 03:38:12 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on September 24, 2007, 03:45:52 PM
Post by: Stogi on September 24, 2007, 03:50:23 PM
Though, I also think you should wait for the reviews before you drop a dime on RE: Chronicles. Right now it looks like Capcom's way to make a quick buck. You could say that about RE:4, but that game sold at $20 bucks and was a very solid GameCube title.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 03:55:04 PM
Zack & Wiki
Super Mario Galaxy
REUC (Almost purely for the co-op...Even if it's mediocre, co-op should be fun enough...)
Super Smash Bros Brawl
My Maybe
Harvey Birdman
Soul Calibur Legends (Most likely will wait for next year...)
Why you would choose REUC and Medal of Honor over Zack & Wiki and MARIO GALAXY is beyond me...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 03:56:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
My Must
Zack & Wiki
Super Mario Galaxy
REUC
Super Smash Bros Brawl
My Maybe
Harvey Birdman
Soul Calibur Legends (Most likely will wait for next year...)
Why you would choose REUC and Medal of Honor over Zack & Wiki and MARIO GALAXY is beyond me...
Bill does have a point, or you can be like me and get them ALL.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 04:00:44 PM
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Why you would choose REUC and Medal of Honor over Zack & Wiki and MARIO GALAXY is beyond me...
See, with REUC my friend is a big RE fan and he wants to play it. Since he only has a 360 (which he has been kind enough to let me borrow on occasion) I wanna get UC so we can play it together.
As for MOH, It's an online game. Mario and Zack and Wiki will still be awesome in 2008. The MOH online experience will probably change by early 2008. Either hardcore players will have moved on to a different game, or everyone will be so skilled that I'll be getting ganked five seconds in by people who play it 16 hours a day.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 04:05:10 PM
Though I'm personally the kind of gamer that wants to come back to his collection a couple years down the line and still be able to fully enjoy it... =)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 04:23:58 PM
Post by: wandering on September 24, 2007, 04:37:44 PM
Super Mario Galaxy
My maybes:
Everything else.
Post by: Arbok on September 24, 2007, 04:40:31 PM
My list looks like this:
1. Smash Bros Brawl
2. Godzilla: Unleashed
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
5. Battalion Wars 2
6. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
7. Soul Calibur Legends
God, so many titles. I have actually only purchased two games this year though (Pokémon: Diamond and Resident Evil 4) so I have been gearing up for this onslaught. I'm also actually hoping that NiGHTS turns out to be a dud, as I don't want that to enter the consideration list at this point.
Post by: Svevan on September 24, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 04:54:26 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 24, 2007, 05:27:06 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 06:30:34 PM
Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2007, 06:41:04 PM
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.....or you can be like me and get them ALL.
After I rob a bank or find a treasure chest full of jewels, I'll consider that.
My list stands at 4 for any system for the rest of the year:
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
- Contra 4
- Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Phantom Hourglass is on my "get it when someone trades it in anger" list. I do want to try Link's Crossbow Training though I still can't see myself paying full price for it.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 06:43:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 24, 2007, 07:08:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 07:10:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
You seem to have a good set up there ShyGuy. You don't want to see my list of all my disposable income pouring into wii games this holiday season of Kairon has no fiscal responsibility and is an irrational fanboi excitement.
I haven't counted all the games I am getting this year, it has to be around 20 though.
Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2007, 07:17:40 PM
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Isn't Link's Crossbow training only $20 with the zapper shell? Good lawd man, it don't get much cheaper.
Still too much. By the time it comes out, I could probably get The Simpsons Movie or Superbad on DVD for the same price. I buy based on perceived value rather than price. A piece of plastic and Wii Play Zelda Edition to me isn't worth $20.
Post by: Kairon on September 24, 2007, 07:32:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
You seem to have a good set up there ShyGuy. You don't want to see my list of all my disposable income pouring into wii games this holiday season of Kairon has no fiscal responsibility and is an irrational fanboi excitement.
I haven't counted all the games I am getting this year, it has to be around 20 though.
Sounds about the same for me too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 07:34:21 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Kairon
You seem to have a good set up there ShyGuy. You don't want to see my list of all my disposable income pouring into wii games this holiday season of Kairon has no fiscal responsibility and is an irrational fanboi excitement.
I haven't counted all the games I am getting this year, it has to be around 20 though.
Sounds about the same for me too.
Except when you throw in the term "quality" hehe.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 08:26:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 08:27:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
You know, I just realized my sister will probably get me a Wii game for Christmas. Super Mario Galaxy here we come!
She is saving up Bratz for your Christmas present!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2007, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2007, 08:50:40 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 24, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
But seriously, your reasoning is sound enough, and financial planning is always important. Next year make it a point to invest in an ETF, though*.
So here's my priority list - Strikers and Corruption were previously on it, but I've gotten them both now.
Definites
1. Super Mario Galaxy - November 12
2. Super Smash Bros Brawl - December 3
3. (TIE) Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles - October / Ghost Squad - November 6 (will pick up best one, will rent other)
4. NiGHTS - November 13
5. Zack and Wiki - Fall 2007
6. BWii - October 29
7. FIFA 08
Honourable Mentions
- Dewy's Adventure - September 4 (probably missed the boat on this one)
- Soul Calibur Legends - November 6 (it's looking better but still unsure)
- Smackdown vs Raw 2008 (why not continue Day of Reckoning, THQ? Why??)
- Medal of Honour (token ShyGuy mention, but hurts badly that it comes out with SMG)
Not interested in personally, but deserve consideration
- DDR: Hottest Party (non-spinoff DDR game on a Nintendo console!)
- Guitar Hero III (first Guitar Hero game on a Nintendo console!)
- Dragon Ball Z 3 (online)
- Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (hopefully fleshed out)
- Godzilla (token Arbok mention)
Unknown whether will come out in 2007
Trauma Centre (would be in my Top 8)
Dragon Quest Swords (probably won't pick this up, maybe a rental)
* The usual disclaimers
EDIT: I just realised that NiGHTS comes out right next to Galaxy, too. I may have to put that off to next year.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 09:42:55 PM
Games I WILL get:
1. Mario Galaxy
2. Smash Brothers Brawl
3. BWii
4. Call of Duty 4
5. Zack and Wiki
6. RE: UC
7.Mass Effect
8. Eternal Sonata
9. Halo 3
10. Sim City for PC
11. Rock Star (complete 200$ package)
12. Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
13. Crysis
14. Company of Heroes Expansion
15. NBA 2k8
16. Godzilla
Possible games if they turn out decently:
1. Assasin's Creed
2. Odyssey
3. Phoenix Wright
4. Spider-Man Friend or Foe
5. Viva Pinata Party
6. Conan
7. Enchanted Princesses (hey this could be good!)
8. Jericho
9. The Simpsons for 360
10. WWE Raw vs Smackdown (for 360)
11. EA Playground
12. Manhunt 2
13. Zelda abuse crossbow training
14.Mario and Sonic: Olympics
15. Rygar
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2007, 11:06:53 PM
1. Super Mario Galaxy
2. SSB: Brawl
3. Battalion Wars 2
4. Star Trek: Conquest
5. Guitar Hero III
6. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
And also maybe
MySims
MLB Power Pros
Zack & Wiki
Namco Museum Remix
The Simpsons Game
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
NiGHTS
Nitrobike
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
Race Driver: Create & Race
Panzer Tactics
Front Mission
Chessmaster DS
Contra 4
Mario Party DS
Actually, looking at that list and seeing only 6 must-haves makes me more confident that I'll be in good shape this year. Also, Mass Effect is my 3rd-most anticipated game this year, but I don't think I'll be able to afford the 360 to play it on without obliterating the rest of the list.
Post by: Kenology on September 25, 2007, 02:02:16 AM
Manhunt 2
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Game I intend on picking up:
Zak & Wiki: Quest for Barboros’ Treasure
Battalion Wars 2
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Games I'll get if they're good
Lara Croft Tomb Raider Anniversary
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Soulcalibur Legends
Nitrobike
NIGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Rygar: The Battle of Argus
Post by: Arbok on September 25, 2007, 03:12:45 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
- Godzilla (token Arbok mention)
Damn straight!
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 25, 2007, 04:47:13 AM
My fall list:
-Mario Galaxy
-SSB Brawl
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 04:59:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2007, 05:49:50 AM
Yeah, uh, that's the point? That's like buying Halo and being disappointed that it's a FPS...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 25, 2007, 05:55:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Have you guys played Zack and Wiki? I found it to be very frustrating. If you like point and click figure-it-out games (like Myst), then get it."
Yeah, uh, that's the point? That's like buying Halo and being disappointed that it's a FPS...
That is exactly what I was thinking, that is like saying "Have you played X sports game. I found it very frustrating. If you like sports games though then get it".
Post by: Ian Sane on September 25, 2007, 08:01:33 AM
Super Mario Galaxy is an "it game". You buy it on day one.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 25, 2007, 08:03:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't get how Mario Galaxy would ever be a maybe. That's the one game this fall I HAVE to get. Everything else takes a backseat. I sure as hell wouldn't have Medal of Generic Army Shooter as a higher priority. A f*cking EA GAME over a Mario platformer? Aren't games like Mario Galaxy the whole reason to even own a Wii in the first place? I kind of understand the "well that game will always be in stores" arguement but don't you WANT to play that game ASAP? Do you think many Xbox 360 owners are all "well I guess I'll trim Halo 3 from my list and get it later"? I don't know about you but I'm going to be anxious when Canada inevitably gets that game a day later and a whole bunch of Americans on these forums are already raving about it.
Super Mario Galaxy is an "it game". You buy it on day one.
Ian is right once again, must be some kind of record! Seriously I don't see how anyone can't be excited for Mario Galaxy and have to play it right away.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2007, 08:24:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't know about you but I'm going to be anxious when Canada inevitably gets that game a day later and a whole bunch of Americans on these forums are already raving about it.
Haha, I was going to skip out on the forums for the day, but I might come on that night to rave about it now...
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2007, 08:44:49 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
You know, I just realized my sister will probably get me a Wii game for Christmas. Super Mario Galaxy here we come!
She is saving up Bratz for your Christmas present!
Acrually, I;ve been eyeing High School Musical: Sing it as a possible gift purchase....
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't get how Mario Galaxy would ever be a maybe. That's the one game this fall I HAVE to get. Everything else takes a backseat. I sure as hell wouldn't have Medal of Generic Army Shooter as a higher priority. A f*cking EA GAME over a Mario platformer? Aren't games like Mario Galaxy the whole reason to even own a Wii in the first place? I kind of understand the "well that game will always be in stores" arguement but don't you WANT to play that game ASAP? Do you think many Xbox 360 owners are all "well I guess I'll trim Halo 3 from my list and get it later"? I don't know about you but I'm going to be anxious when Canada inevitably gets that game a day later and a whole bunch of Americans on these forums are already raving about it.
Super Mario Galaxy is an "it game". You buy it on day one.
It's an it game that I'll see on the shelves two years down the line for full price still. It's an it game that I'm sure will sell a lot. And it's an it game both my younger brother and my roommate are buying. We've already got two TVs and two Wiis in the room. We don't need two copies of every game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 25, 2007, 08:48:26 AM
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It's an it game that I'll see on the shelves two years down the line for full price still. It's an it game that I'm sure will sell a lot. And it's an it game both my younger brother and my roommate are buying. We've already got two TVs and two Wiis in the room. We don't need two copies of every game.
But you will be getting two copies of Ninja Bread Man though, right?
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2007, 08:59:54 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 25, 2007, 09:01:28 AM
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
Battalion Wars 2 (if it still comes out.)
Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass
Games I Really Want to Get if I can manage it
Zapper Gun
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Raving Rabbids 2
Guilty Gear
Games I think I would like to get, but could go either way
Godzilla
Endless Ocean
Zach and Wiki
Mario Party 8
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 09:12:44 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't get how Mario Galaxy would ever be a maybe. That's the one game this fall I HAVE to get. Everything else takes a backseat. I sure as hell wouldn't have Medal of Generic Army Shooter as a higher priority. A f*cking EA GAME over a Mario platformer? Aren't games like Mario Galaxy the whole reason to even own a Wii in the first place? I kind of understand the "well that game will always be in stores" arguement but don't you WANT to play that game ASAP? Do you think many Xbox 360 owners are all "well I guess I'll trim Halo 3 from my list and get it later"? I don't know about you but I'm going to be anxious when Canada inevitably gets that game a day later and a whole bunch of Americans on these forums are already raving about it.
Super Mario Galaxy is an "it game". You buy it on day one.
Ian is right once again, must be some kind of record! Seriously I don't see how anyone can't be excited for Mario Galaxy and have to play it right away.
Ian and Golden Phoenix are both wrong once again, which breaks no record. I could give a "Part of being an adult is learning to delay enjoyment" speech, but I'll just say although MOHH2 is generic in appearance, it's unique in the fact that it is the first online FPS for the Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 25, 2007, 09:14:40 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Ian and Golden Phoenix are both wrong once again, which breaks no record. I could give a "Part of being an adult is learning to delay enjoyment" speech, but I'll just say although MOHH2 is generic in appearance, it's unique in the fact that it is the first online FPS for the Wii.
Except for the fact that it still generic all around, including gameplay. Also why not delay playing Galaxy until 2050, that should make you the ultimate adult!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 10:01:11 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 25, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
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You sure prosletise Xbox 360 a lot for someone so concerned about generic; And isn't Australia getting Galaxy in 2050 anyway?
Mr. Generic Avatar :-P. What you going to do now? HUH!
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2007, 10:36:41 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 10:37:12 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 25, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
Part of being a single adult with no dependents is that you don't have to delay enjoyment because you've got MONEY.
The speech is just what you tell your kids because you can't afford to buy them whatever they want at a given time. "Building character" is a similar excuse. It's better for the child than saying "your hungry ass has made me broke".I'm in my mid-20s and will probably be married in a couple of years and have kids within the next ten years or maybe even FIVE. I'm going to get the "it games" f*cking now while I still can.
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2007, 01:07:16 PM
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I'm in my mid-20s and will probably be married in a couple of years and have kids within the next ten years or maybe even FIVE. I'm going to get the "it games" f*cking now while I still can.
LOL. A more rousing defense of our irrational buying habits I have never encountered.
Post by: Arbok on September 25, 2007, 01:44:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The speech is just what you tell your kids because you can't afford to buy them whatever they want at a given time. "Building character" is a similar excuse. It's better for the child than saying "your hungry ass has made me broke".
This has to be one of the greatest things ever stated on these forums; kudos.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 02:39:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The speech is just what you tell your kids because you can't afford to buy them whatever they want at a given time. "Building character" is a similar excuse. It's better for the child than saying "your hungry ass has made me broke".
Sheesh, I'm hoping that by exercising some fiscal responsibility now, I won't have to blame my future children for putting me in the poorhouse. Waiting till Christmas for Galaxy won't kill me.
Post by: utarefsoN on September 25, 2007, 02:46:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
My Must
Why you would choose REUC and Medal of Honor over Zack & Wiki and MARIO GALAXY is beyond me...
I really hope that is sarcasm. Mario is subject to debate i guess. But zack and wiki fails by its very name. what the hell is zack and wiki anyway. Sounds like a gayzors game to me. Id pick RE and MOH before either. Mario will be bought. But not before RE and MOH. My worthless two cent.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 25, 2007, 03:37:37 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
You sure prosletise Xbox 360 a lot for someone so concerned about generic; And isn't Australia getting Galaxy in 2050 anyway?
Mr. Generic Avatar :-P. What you going to do now? HUH!
Hmmm...rather than Cherry Vanilla ShyGuy, what about New Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. ShyGuy Classic?
As far as on topic discussion, don't be like me. Don't buy all the games you want to play but never have time to play them because of sleep and failing classes. Just go one at a time. Of course, that excludes multiplayer games. Buy all the multiplayer games. That's important.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2007, 08:42:25 PM
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Originally posted by: utarefsoN
I really hope that is sarcasm. Mario is subject to debate i guess. But zack and wiki fails by its very name. what the hell is zack and wiki anyway. Sounds like a gayzors game to me. Id pick RE and MOH before either. Mario will be bought. But not before RE and MOH. My worthless two cent.
You sound like an informed buyer. </sarcasm>
How do you people keep track of release schedules? I wouldn't even know what's coming out during the next few months.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 25, 2007, 08:46:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 25, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2007, 10:49:11 PM
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Originally posted by: utarefsoN
But zack and wiki fails by its very name. what the hell is zack and wiki anyway. Sounds like a gayzors game to me.
What? "Gayzors"? Oh brother...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 26, 2007, 12:56:13 AM
Must buy
Super Mario Galaxy
Maybe
And that's it. There'd be more, but my house seriously has the power to break the Wii. Three units down! System's almost completely off my radar this generation~
Post by: BigJim on September 26, 2007, 03:13:58 AM
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My list is huge.
Must buy
Super Mario Galaxy
Maybe
And that's it.
That's basically my list for the foreseeable future too. Galaxy is a MUST. Everything else, meh... The "wait until TGS to complain about the lineup" folks have lost their leverage on that unfortunate post-E3 discussion.
For my Wii, Dust Get!
Edit: Oh, and Phantom Hourglass. But that's for DS.
Post by: decoyman on September 26, 2007, 03:26:27 AM
Brawl
Galaxy
BWii
RE:UC
Zapper+Link's Crossbow Training
Those are the ones I plan to pick up. And if I had to choose only one, I'd have to choose Brawl. Pikachu, I choose you! •'_'•
Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2007, 09:10:25 AM
QuoteWait, so I remember when it broke the first time and NAL didn't replace it. What happened after that?
And that's it. There'd be more, but my house seriously has the power to break the Wii. Three units down! System's almost completely off my radar this generation~
Post by: Plugabugz on September 26, 2007, 09:53:56 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 26, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteWait, so I remember when it broke the first time and NAL didn't replace it. What happened after that?
And that's it. There'd be more, but my house seriously has the power to break the Wii. Three units down! System's almost completely off my radar this generation~
I bought a second one with plans to be an ass and abuse the return system (ie; swap the Wii units then return it for my money back) but the second one also had a lagging, broken on-screen pointer. "THAT'S ODD!" I said, without a ! because surely I couldn't be that unlucky. So I took the newer one back for a third system. This time I took it round to a friends place first, we hooked it up, worked fine! Back to my place... lagging pointer! Well! Maybe.. there's something in my room!
Then I took it BACK to my friends place, and it was lagging there too! So something in my house has the power to permantly destroy the Wii.
This one actually reads discs though, unlike the first. So I can play games.. just.. not ones that need an on-screen pointer. I know Galaxy needs one and it's going to be a nightmare trying to play it but I'll survive, because it's crucial! CRUCIAL GAME!Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 26, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
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That's basically my list for the foreseeable future too. Galaxy is a MUST. Everything else, meh... The "wait until TGS to complain about the lineup" folks have lost their leverage on that unfortunate post-E3 discussion.
For my Wii, Dust Get!
What kinds of games are you looking for then? Wii has as strong lineup for the Holidays, with a mixture of both traditional and casual games. We have Zack and Wiki what appears to be more of a hardcore experience, Battalion Wars II, Smash Brothers Brawl, and even Nights if that turns out good. THose are 4 more traditional games that I can quickly think off the top of my head besides Galaxy.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 07:30:38 AM
Both Zack and Wiki, and Nights are games that can and WILL appeal to casual nongamers. Nights is a game that can be rather calming by nature, and can be in some areas rather intense, but it is coupled with very simple controls. I believe Zack and Wiki can and will have the same appeal for casual and nongamers.
The mistake people have is that they assume nongamers and casual gamers, don't want deep gameplay, or story. What most nongamers and casuals want is simple engaging gameplay period. Something they can understand and immediately play without feeling threatened by controls, or depth of game.
In a way, that even makes Brawl a casual friendly game when compared to other fighting games.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2007, 08:19:43 AM
Developers make this mistake too. In fact that's the reason anyone differentiates between non-games or games. Compromising the game for the sake of non-gamers has always been the issue. You're right in that non-gamers or casuals don't necessarily dislike depth or story. But companies like Nintendo so often assume they do. They shouldn't feel the need to do that.
So it pretty much becomes this
hardcore/traditional games: games like all games were prior to the DS
non-games: games made in the post-DS game industry that are clearly designed for casuals and non-gamers and intentionally lack depth
And I guess I would have a category called crappy games that consists of crappy games. Who cares about the details for those games?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 09:47:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
GoldenPheonix I don't want to disagree with you, because overall I agree that the Wii lineup is incredible, but your list of hardcore games was humorous to me...as in a agreed with 2 and didn't agree with 2.
Both Zack and Wiki, and Nights are games that can and WILL appeal to casual nongamers. Nights is a game that can be rather calming by nature, and can be in some areas rather intense, but it is coupled with very simple controls. I believe Zack and Wiki can and will have the same appeal for casual and nongamers.
The mistake people have is that they assume nongamers and casual gamers, don't want deep gameplay, or story. What most nongamers and casuals want is simple engaging gameplay period. Something they can understand and immediately play without feeling threatened by controls, or depth of game.
In a way, that even makes Brawl a casual friendly game when compared to other fighting games.
I really disagree, because Nights is a traditional game that really has a hardcore cult following. Zack and Wiki from what I understand is a point and click adventure that is very challenging, not to mention the fact that Point and Click adventures are anything BUT casual experiences.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 10:28:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"The mistake people have is that they assume nongamers and casual gamers, don't want deep gameplay, or story."
Developers make this mistake too. In fact that's the reason anyone differentiates between non-games or games. Compromising the game for the sake of non-gamers has always been the issue. You're right in that non-gamers or casuals don't necessarily dislike depth or story. But companies like Nintendo so often assume they do. They shouldn't feel the need to do that.
So it pretty much becomes this
hardcore/traditional games: games like all games were prior to the DS
non-games: games made in the post-DS game industry that are clearly designed for casuals and non-gamers and intentionally lack depth
And I guess I would have a category called crappy games that consists of crappy games. Who cares about the details for those games?
I don't think that is a fair accusation against Nintendo. I have always felt that within Nintendo's key franchises they have married the ability to appeal to casual gamers and traditional gamers. Look at Mario Galaxy, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Super Mario Strikers, Phantom Hourglass, even some of the nongames like Brain Age 2. There are elements that appeal to both markets. Part of that is art style and making the game graphically appeal to a larger audience. That is why I laugh when people believe Nintendo's art direction hurts them, it helps them more than it hurts them, because their art style is very disarming. Wind Waker is a perfect example, the art is very approachable and people that aren't gamers are willing to try it. Same with Wii Sports, which does have alot of depth for the traditional gamer as well.
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I really disagree, because Nights is a traditional game that really has a hardcore cult following. Zack and Wiki from what I understand is a point and click adventure that is very challenging, not to mention the fact that Point and Click adventures are anything BUT casual experiences.
I don't believe that a hardcore cult following means that games a game is traditional and hardcore. Look at the design of Nights, it is a very simplified racing game where you gracefully fly around a world completing laps forth rings. That is not to say the game doesn't have depth...but it is to say that the game is very approachable to all types of gamers. A nongamer game or a casual game is one that is instantly pickable, and you are able to play the game immediately and have fun. That is what casual gamers want, it does matter if that game has no depth and is just fun. Or has tons of depth wrapped around a simple idea.
Oh, and I 100% completely disagree with you about Point and Click adventures not being casual...in fact they are the DEFINITION OF CASUAL GAMES, and are supported greatly by the casual market. Myst, The 12th Guest, and all those Point and Click puzzle adventures became hugely successful PC games, because they appealed not to the hardcore gamer, but to the casual market. My wife and her mom have played Myst 2 before I knew them and influenced them to play games. Point and Click adventures can be challenging, but usually they control in such a manner that anyone sit down and play the game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 11:26:32 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2007, 11:34:31 AM
Yeah but when hardcore gamers talk about point and click adventure we're not talking about Myst. We're talking about the old Sierra and LucasArts games. Just because the librarian at my high school played Myst doesn't make a whole genre casual. You probably couldn't classify any genre as completely casual or non-gamer focused.
Though I also disagree with logic that a game that is popular with casuals and non-gamers is by definition a non-game. I hear classic games like Tetris get retroactively declared as non-games a fair bit. Just because casuals liked the game doesn't mean it was designed for them. Hell with it's Soviet origins was Tetris even designed as a commercial product?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 11:37:18 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 27, 2007, 11:44:49 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 01:01:36 PM
My definition of casual games. Is quite simple.
1)Casual games must have simple pick up and play controls. Mario would count as a casual game, because for the most part the controls are jump, move and attack...and the environment lends itself very forgiving to that control. Zelda and Halo (or any FPS) is not a casual game because it is not instantly pick up and play, Halo you are controlling Camera, Movement, Shooting, Equipment, Switching Weapons it is very complicated. Zelda I said had casual gamer influences but isn't exactly casual gamer. Another contrasting example Super Mario Kart is very casual gamer/nongamer friendly but Gran Turismo is not.
2)A Casual game must be simple to play...that does not mean it is easy, it means it is something I can play and understand what is going on. Puzzle games are the ultimate example of this. Puzzle games can be quite complicated in design, but a good puzzle game is also simple to play.
3)The graphics must be inviting to many players. Nothing harsh or violent, nothing really drastically realistic. Usually cartoon or abstract games make the best Casual games.
To me those are the most important rules for casual games/non gamer games.
So games that fight that profile to me:
Myst,
Tetris like Puzzle games,
word games,
Simple platforming games (Like Mario, and many many many licensed games)
Point and Click Adventure games can be Casual if the atmosphere presented in the game is casual friendly...like Myst.
Sims
Sim City
Brain Age
Wii Sports
Raving Rabbids
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (Probably the entire Wario Ware series)
Wii Play
I think I have given you an idea. I think basically casual games are games that appeal to everyone gamers and non-gamers. It is something somebody sees and just wants to try and they have fun.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 27, 2007, 01:07:37 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 01:08:44 PM
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I'm confused. Is casual pejorative or complimentary here?
When I use it is on equal ground with tradition or hardcore, when others use it is meant to be insulting.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 27, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 08:26:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
:^) I don't think casual games or non games is insulting, I think of it as just a different type of game that appeals to different people.
Must be why Wii Sports was ONLY popular with people who haven't played games right?
Seriously I think if you are a so called "hardcore" gamer you will enjoy both types of games, because they offer different things.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 27, 2007, 11:45:13 PM
Post by: The Sailerman on September 28, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Link's Crossbow Training (I can't pass it up for only $20)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Of course)
Games I'll Ask For For Xmas and/or Buy After (Obviously, I don't expect to get them all for Christmas)
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (I didn't bring my DS to college with me, so it would be pointless to get before I go home)
Sonic Rush Adventure (See Zelda)
Super Mario Galaxy (C'mon, it's Mario)
Geometry Wars: Galaxies [Wii] (I can't get enough of the Xbox version on PGR2)
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams (Loved the original)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (It might not be the greatest game, but it's still a historic one)
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles (I'll have to see the reviews first)
MLB Power Pros (This is a maybe, but I love the style, and I never got an MLB game this year)
