Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2003, 02:06:43 PM
The biggest hint I'm going to give those of you that just can't stop yourselves is that this newsletter gives away one of the best surprises in the game, and once you've seen it, you're NEVER going to be able to erase it from your memory, completely ruining the surprise. Please ... just delete that e-mail.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 24, 2003, 02:11:56 PM
Post by: PIAC on March 24, 2003, 02:17:43 PM
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Post by: PIAC on March 24, 2003, 02:21:59 PM
i know i wont!!!
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 24, 2003, 02:28:39 PM
I guess Rick deleted it. Too shocking.
But why would Nintendo do that?
That is the bisggest spolier I have ever seen in a game in my life, and they had to spoil it like that? Why?
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 24, 2003, 02:51:33 PM
I'm just glad I don't subscribe to the Nintendo Power Newsletter- even though I haven't exactly been resisting every spoiler possible about the game, this one sounds like a doozy.
Post by: Squall on March 24, 2003, 02:59:06 PM
Post by: Gharakh on March 24, 2003, 03:04:48 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 24, 2003, 03:05:15 PM
Post by: epiphany on March 24, 2003, 03:06:51 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: alexzman on March 24, 2003, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: matt oz on March 24, 2003, 03:27:23 PM
I opened the newsletter, and was quite displeased with how careless Nintendo was. I've avoided all spoilers except for the sister part, and am extremely disappointed that the game is now ruined for me.
I e-mailed Nintendo asking them not to do this in the future, since thousands of people will now have the game ruined for them, and won't be able to experience the game in the way Mr. Miyamoto intended.
As for the person who said that if you've ever played a Zelda game, you would know...
NO, you wouldn't. And if you THOUGHT about what you wrote you would realize 4 different ways in which you are incorrect.
Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2003, 03:34:37 PM
The spoiler I am talking about has nothing to do with who that final battle is against.
I'm glad that some of you still missed it, even after having seen the e-mail message. Just please, save yourself from yourself, and don't open it again to find out what I'm talking about. Yes, the antagonist in the final battle is obvious, but something else about it ISN'T.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 04:16:55 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
Actually, most of you probably GLANCED at the pictures and completely missed the context. All I'm going to say in the interest of protecting those of you that clearly didn't see what you thought you saw is that ...
The spoiler I am talking about has nothing to do with who that final battle is against.
I'm glad that some of you still missed it, even after having seen the e-mail message. Just please, save yourself from yourself, and don't open it again to find out what I'm talking about. Yes, the antagonist in the final battle is obvious, but something else about it ISN'T.
Actually, I didn't even notice who the last boss was. I noticed the thing you are talking about I am sure. But the fact remains that I still anticipated all of this long ago, and I don't feel that anything is spoiled by confirming my suspicions.
Post by: Gharakh on March 24, 2003, 04:47:19 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 24, 2003, 05:11:44 PM
I did see IT and the other IT, and I must say, it makes me feel more excited (you know how when you get excited about a Nintendo thing, you start shivering inside and giggle like a Japanese Schoolgirl? Yeah, that's how I feel now). That's two things/spoilers I saw. They are both in the same background picture.
What ever other spoiler Rick is talking about, I have no idea. And probably don't wanna.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 05:17:15 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 24, 2003, 05:28:25 PM
I for one didn't expect it. To me, this Zelda game was a departure from the usual affair, being more of a rescue. If there are any plot twists and so forth in Wind Waker, they must be pretty drastic after I saw that picture with the 'two' spoilers.
I have been trying to keep myself as spoiler free from Wind Waker as possible. The sister issue isn't a spoiler, it's what's motivating Link to go on the adventure. I remember when Majora's Mask was nearly out. IGN64 had movies of possibly everything in the game, and I, having just bought computer with internet, downloaded every single one. That spoiled MM for me, and I have wanted to be as unknown as possible to the main story elements and developmentsof Wind Waker.
Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2003, 05:43:49 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 24, 2003, 05:54:18 PM
Post by: cyrus420 on March 24, 2003, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: SolidSamus on March 24, 2003, 06:50:37 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 06:59:03 PM
given that this is a thread about a WARNING about spoilers, and you come in here giving a description about what those spoilers are, I would ban you on the spot.
Post by: SolidSamus on March 24, 2003, 07:05:51 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2003, 07:13:48 PM
Nonetheless this is just really stupid and sloppy of Nintendo. Silicon Knights should teach them a lesson in how to keep a game under wraps.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 07:23:47 PM
I have to wonder though, if it is really worth giving a big warning about. People have scrutinized the email, and haven't found anything out of the ordinary. The only people who seem to KNOW what the spoiler is are people who have played the game. I wonder if Nintendo was just being tricky?
So I am keeping my email too, but I would like to know how far into the game this thing happens, so that when I do get the game, I can look at it when I have played past that part.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 24, 2003, 07:24:43 PM
Post by: Doppelganger on March 24, 2003, 07:28:35 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
If you want to keep yourself from seeing any BIG Wind Waker Spoilers, DO NOT open the latest Nintendo newsletter sent by E-Mail. Just delete it. Trust us, you don't want to see this!
I have to say thanks for posting... I despise people who can't refrain from telling me how a movie ends. It'd be even worse with a game I'm anticipating this much.
Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2003, 08:52:40 PM
Regardless, that e-mail was an extremely poor decision by Nintendo. There's just some things you should hold sacred. Anything that happens in the last 10% of the game (and that's being extremely conservative), should be off-limits for stuff like this.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 24, 2003, 09:56:22 PM
Post by: Nintendo on March 24, 2003, 10:31:05 PM
My Outlook goes to the latest new email by default and as I had already seen the first image and thought I had to browse the email for some new movie links... I... I... saw...
*cries*
I just hope I can forget about it before May 3rd
Post by: Munky on March 25, 2003, 02:43:37 AM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
The biggest hint I'm going to give those of you that just can't stop yourselves is that this newsletter gives away one of the best surprises in the game, and once you've seen it, you're NEVER going to be able to erase it from your memory, completely ruining the surprise. Please ... just delete that e-mail.
I have a solution that I'm going to use. I'm going to keep the email, but not open it! And throughout the game, I'm going to try and guess what the surprise is, and once I'm finished with the game, I should know it by then, and then I'll open the email to see if I'm right.
Oh, and BTW, what's the subject of the email so I know not to open it?
Post by: bryanee on March 25, 2003, 04:10:12 AM
Post by: JoeFalco on March 25, 2003, 05:21:24 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 25, 2003, 05:32:10 AM
Post by: matt oz on March 25, 2003, 08:49:13 AM
Either way, I am so disappointed that Nintendo did this. I got the call from Babbage's, and I'm not picking up the game. It's one thing to have a 2 hour movie ruined for you, since you pay only $5-8 to see it. But to have the ending of a $50 game ruined is totally different. I don't want to play the game anymore. It's pointless.
I spent $15 on my pre-order, but I really don't care, since I got Master Quest out of it, and that's worth it. Since I know how OOT already ends, I might as well just play that today, since it's the exact same situation with WW now.
Post by: JoeFalco on March 25, 2003, 10:18:38 AM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
I honestly noticed the BIG spoiler first, and then the "minor" one.
Either way, I am so disappointed that Nintendo did this. I got the call from Babbage's, and I'm not picking up the game. It's one thing to have a 2 hour movie ruined for you, since you pay only $5-8 to see it. But to have the ending of a $50 game ruined is totally different. I don't want to play the game anymore. It's pointless.
I spent $15 on my pre-order, but I really don't care, since I got Master Quest out of it, and that's worth it. Since I know how OOT already ends, I might as well just play that today, since it's the exact same situation with WW now.
You're not going to play the game anymore just because you know the ending?
I'm sure it sucks to know the ending but aren't you curious at all about what the game is like and how well the game plays?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 25, 2003, 10:38:05 AM
Post by: Berny on March 25, 2003, 10:53:14 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 25, 2003, 11:28:12 AM
Post by: matt oz on March 25, 2003, 12:24:58 PM
I'm sure it sucks to know the ending but aren't you curious at all about what the game is like and how well the game plays? "
I know the game is great, and yadda yadda, but most p/reviews I've read said that it isn't a huge departure from the gameplay of OOT. Link may have a new ship, but he still has the same weapons, and I'm sure the puzzles are similar.
It's like my movie analogy. Would you pay $8 or $10 to go to the movies to see a movie whose ending you already know? A movie you were looking forward to for a long time? A movie whose previous incarnations have been so amazing, that you want to experience the new one how the director wanted you to?
Now to me, Wind Waker is a $50 movie whose ending I already know, and I don't want to waste 20 hours of my life to get to something I already know. I might as well just play OOT again; I know how it ends, and I've already paid for it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 25, 2003, 01:40:55 PM
And yes, I would pay money to see the movie, even if I do know the ending. There's always something worthwhile inbetween. I write stories and stuff, and though I usually know my ending ahead of time, I still take the time to fill up the middle as effectively and as entertainingly as possible. And I enjoy doing it. Perhaps your problem is that since you've seen someone live, you figure you've lived. You're utterly wrong.
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on March 25, 2003, 05:18:33 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 25, 2003, 07:20:47 PM
Besides, I am sure that most of you don't play Zelda for the story.
Btw, the newest newsletter from NOE (Yes, I subscribe to both), has a spoiler right in the subject line. I have not opened it yet for fear of something greater on the inside. I suggest warning people about that too.
Post by: K-Man on March 25, 2003, 08:06:11 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 25, 2003, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: matt oz on March 26, 2003, 08:06:40 AM
The spoiler contained in the newsletter was huge. And when I say that, I mean HUGE. It changes the dynamics of the entire series.
It's not like I'm never gonna play the game. I just refuse to pay $50 for a game that's been ruined. Maybe if I find it on eBay one day for $20 or less, I'll buy it.
Post by: Bloodworth on March 26, 2003, 08:38:46 AM
Post by: Gharakh on March 26, 2003, 11:36:50 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 26, 2003, 12:54:20 PM
I don't care if the spoiler showed Captain Olimar (or whatever) helping Link fight Andross with a friggin waterpack! I'm still going to play the game.
Post by: matt oz on March 26, 2003, 01:22:48 PM
I'm sure the gameplay and story leading up to the end are good, but I'm not going to pay $50 for it. That's totally ridiculous. I'd rather wait a few months and pay less for the game. That seems completely logical to me.
Post by: Bloodworth on March 26, 2003, 01:27:19 PM
Post by: VideoGamerX on March 26, 2003, 07:30:02 PM
Anyway, that's not the point I wanted to make. matt, I think you're putting just a little too much emphasis on this one aspect of the game/movie. Are you completely positive you know exactly what the spoiler means? Like someone else said, there's other stuff around that piece of the story that lead up to it. There are results to that detail that impact the game. I'll say this much, I think a lot of people can say something along these lines. Take A Link to the Past for example, I guess I could say "Screw Nintendo. I already know what happens in the Legend of Zelda. There's a master sword and some other swords, some crystals and Triforces, and a battle with Ganon where I save Hyrule and the princess and evil is once again put away." In fact, that's the story from beginning to end in nearly every incarnation of the Legend.
Trying to be reasonable here, there's still 90% of a game you've yet to play out there. There's a lot of things to discover that you've never discovered before. How many Mario Brother games have you played where you found a detail you were previously unaware of? You haven't. There's not been a Mario game that revealed anything new to the story hardly. That never stopped any of us from buying Mario games. I understand there's a significant difference here since these latest Zelda games have relied on new story details in each incarnation, but I'm stressing the point that we pay $50 for a lot of games with and without crucial story plots and surprises.
My best point is to follow, though. You've already put $15 down and got the bonus disc, right? If you don't pay the other $35, you're giving $15 for the bonus disc essentially. You're going to wait it out and hope to pay how much for this? A discounted $39.99? Wait for it for $20 on ebay? I think you'll be holding your breath on that. The point is that you can get Wind Waker now at the reduced price of $35. It's not getting any cheaper than that probably for quite a while. Like you said, you already bought Master Quest. You may actually spend more overall by waiting. If you're going to think about it as if you paid $15 for the bonus disc, you might as well give $35 for Wind Waker.
Otherwise, I do get how you feel, and by not going on to get Wind Waker, you're neglecting it for the fact of neglecting since you feel it has been spoiled for you. I feel really bad about all of this even though it has not been ruined for me. This will probably go down as the Infamous Nintendo Newsletter and will not be forgotten.
It's just sad.
I hope to hear a response from Nintendo on this at some point just to know what they think.
Post by: jamesc359 on March 26, 2003, 08:26:14 PM
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I was looking at the Zelda wallpaper I downloaded from Zelda.com and I just noticed something that may be a huge spoiler. It might be the same one from the email or I've just become paranoid. Anyway it's the orange wallpaper if anyone's wondering. It might be a good idea for Rick to check those wallpapers out and see if they're safe too. I'm just not trusting anything from Nintendo anymore.
Once you've seen the second cut scene with Link's sister I think you would have to know sooner or later you'll have to fight him... I would think.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 27, 2003, 09:01:53 AM
I will be finding lost treasure, solving new puzzles in new dungeons, fighting giant bosses, learning new songs, and meeting new characters. I will be enjoying every minute of Link's cel shaded adventure spanning all new territory.Wehn I am done, I will finally finish Master Quest, even though I know exactly how it ends, then maybe I will play some Eternal Darkness again. After that, I might just watch Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.
In 2 more years, I will go to see Star Wars Episode III. I know about 80% of what happens in the movie, simply because there is no other choice about what is to happen. It's still #1 on my list of movies I must see, even though I know squat about Matrix 2 and 3, or Terminator 3.
Just trying to put it in perspective for ya.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 27, 2003, 12:08:10 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 27, 2003, 01:04:57 PM
Advice to other members: DO NOT open any email from this ass-monkey. Just delete it.
Info: his email is MattOz85@aol.com, and his IP address at the time of sending was 205.188.157.34. Looks like he is on dialup AOL Internet Access.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 27, 2003, 01:07:13 PM
I thought you were a dumbass before, but now it's confirmed.
Post by: VideoGamerX on March 27, 2003, 08:06:17 PM
Just wonder if you (Grey Ninja) actually went on to read the entire description of the end or not. It doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would work since it's text. People have to actually read to be spoiled in that scenario.
Oh well. More sadness.
Wind Waker is totally freaking awesome. So much fun, and moreover, so much of it is not completion-based, I feel no pressure to focus on the task at hand (unlike OoT where stupid Navi is constantly yelling at me "Hey, that cloud on Death Mountain looks strange! We should go there!"
) Or something like that. 
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 27, 2003, 11:07:37 PM
As for the email, he posted it in big blue letters, and I am a fast reader. I read the first line before I realized what it was, then I promptly closed the email, and that was that. The first line was a description of events that occur at the end of the game, and that's what I am assuming the other lines are about. I am not that anxious to find out though. I really have no idea if he was telling the truth or not, but frankly, I don't care. He shouldn't be sending that crap to me.
Luckily the guy is an idiot, and his big time spoiler wasn't really THAT bad. Just enough to piss me off.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on March 28, 2003, 01:27:45 AM
Make a comment like that again and you will be banned. -Bloodworth
Post by: penguincube on March 28, 2003, 04:41:01 PM
Post by: VideoGamerX on March 29, 2003, 07:22:54 AM
I'm really wondering what that spoiler is going to be. So far I'm seeing quite a bit in this ocean world that makes me go "Hmmm." Oh well. Off to storm a fortress.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on March 29, 2003, 01:46:02 PM
I know I would have read that newsletter, had you not warned us! I might not have if it had Zelda in the subject line, but then again, I rarely read subject lines...
I deleted everything from Nintendo, hehehe! Although, now that I think about it, I should have kept it so I could see how bad it was (after I beat the game that is.)
Thanks again, Rick.
Post by: Chris150 on March 29, 2003, 04:11:23 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 30, 2003, 07:30:25 AM
Post by: Nintendo on March 30, 2003, 09:15:11 AM
Here's the reply I got. After reading it I got the feeling they'd look at it and take note, but in the end the whole email feels like you're talking to a wall, like it's no use as they won't even admit their mistake:
Hello,
Thank you for your feedback on our latest Zelda mailing. We always appreciate hearing from fans about what they like to see (and not see as the case may be). Our product e-mailings are designed to give our e-mail subscribers access to exclusive game info, art work and screen shots that you can't get anywhere else. The majority of our subscribers love to get these exclusive looks at secrets within the game. Like movie trailers, which contain selected scenes from the entire film, sometimes even from the very end, these glimpses of the most exciting parts of the game can help build even more anticipation for our games.
We work hard to make sure that every newsletter we send out strikes a balance between readers who want all of this great detail, and those who simply want to whet their appetite for new and exciting games.
Your comments are very important to Nintendo. Rest assured that your feedback regarding the newsletter you received will be shared with our publications department for further review.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America
Christie Hamilton
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 30, 2003, 09:45:59 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 30, 2003, 12:32:12 PM
Post by: ActorJ on March 30, 2003, 09:32:49 PM
Post by: StRaNgE on March 31, 2003, 10:08:38 PM
2nd, I do not subscribe to the newsletter, could someone please forward it to seanozz@yahoo.com
please put Zelda spoiler in the title so I do not open it till I finish the game.
Unless it is the thing about the little pirate girl, what a surprise that was.
If it's just that unmentionable thing then I'm way past that now.
Thank you to whoever sends it my way.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 01, 2003, 12:15:46 PM
Either PM me or email me at:mrbody54@prodigy.net
Thanks in advance!
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 01, 2003, 01:08:25 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 01, 2003, 01:16:02 PM
I also realized I had the option to view my email turned off.
Post by: ActorJ on April 01, 2003, 11:03:39 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 02, 2003, 08:52:33 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 02, 2003, 10:29:35 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 02, 2003, 11:23:25 AM
There are a few pictures of characters in the email that might be considered spoilers, and doing things they might not normally be doing.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 02, 2003, 11:32:43 AM
Post by: ActorJ on April 02, 2003, 12:31:12 PM
I am not going to post my email here because I do not want it harvested by spam-bots.
Please, I'm begging!
Post by: Strell on April 02, 2003, 06:56:56 PM
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Originally posted by: ActorJ
Oh my God! Aomeone please just send me a private message explaining the spoiler to me!
I am not going to post my email here because I do not want it harvested by spam-bots.
Please, I'm begging!
Yes, me too please.
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 02, 2003, 07:48:27 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 03, 2003, 10:27:53 AM
mrbody54@prodigy.net
Thanks!
