Post by: Nick DiMola on September 05, 2007, 06:57:42 AM
iPod Touch = (iPhone - the phone) + Mobile iTunes Store;
8 GB version for $299, 16GB for $399.
Available Sept. 28.
EDIT: Actually the iPod Touch is now just an iPhone - the phone, because the Mobile iTunes Store is coming to the iPhone too later this month.
Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2007, 07:22:58 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 08:35:24 AM
anyway 8 and 16gb doesnt even come close to what i'd need so i'll pass.
can you provide a link btw? im too lazy to look it up myself
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 05, 2007, 08:46:25 AM
I have the same problem EasyCure. 16 GB doesn't even come close. However they also announced 80 and 160 GB models of the classic iPod at $250 and $350 respectively. Those are some great prices that are better than all competitors by leaps and bounds. I'm torn though because I need a new MP3 player, my old Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra just kicked the bucket, so it's a toss up of whether or not to wait for a bigger iPod Touch or just spring for a classic 80GB iPod.
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 09:10:51 AM
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Apple today took the wraps off of one of its most anticipated products, a full touch screen iPod. Essentially an iPhone without the GSM radio, the new iPod touch incorporates the iPhone's 3.5-inch, 480 by 320 pixel screen with multi-touch technology. The device retains the iPhone's Wi-Fi radio, which helps it to browse the Web using Safari, or stream videos using the included YouTube app. You can even buy music over the new iTunes Wi-Fi store.
The new iPod touch will be available in two flash memory configurations. The 8GB model will retail for $300, while a 16GB flavor will sell for $400. Apple claims that users will be able to listen to 22 hours of music, or watch five hours of video on the device. Both models should be available by the end of September.
eh...
ever since i got to play with the iphone at an apple store i've been thinking about getting a phone with a good web browser, something similar to the iphone but not as expensive. so far my only options are a t-mobile sidekick, helio ocean, or the iphone. every other phone i've seen is more business centric with featuers i dont really need so why pay the money for it, ya know? but im still on the fence with the three phones i mentioned for the following reasons:
Sidekick - ... yeah i dont see myself with this. I love text messaging my friends but i dont want to look like one of those "tweens" - 20-somethings that want to be all trendy and customize my sidekick with different face plates and keep it on a holster on my belt for the world to see.. but thats just a superficial reason. my main gripe about it is i hate the columned display of the browser, it just annoys me, especially since the trackball.. which shouldnt even be called a trackball since i think it only detects vertical motion,.. sucks at scrolling. on top of that the screen isnt very bright which makes the picture quality pretty dull. its like the dsphat screen compared to a dsl screen, brighter screen = win. Also the keyboard sucks because the buttons are tiny and stiff, and i hate how you have to flip it open to dial on that god awful keyboard.
the only positive thing i can think of is that since i already have a t-mobile plan, i can get the phone discounted. too bad i dont want it.
Helio ocean - at first i was afriad this phone was a little thick but i've seen video comparisons and its not much thicker than the sidekick, which i've seen in person a million times and have held in my pocket on occasion to see how bothersome it could be. its not too bad. i like the dedicated alpha-numeric pad on this phone; it'll be easy to dial without having to look at the keys (unlike the sidekick). the web browser can be displayed in its regular format or single column mode, so thats nice. the 3g network its on, from al accounts ive read, is pretty fast. the keys on the qwerty keyboard look more comfortable than the sidekicks, though in one review they did point out the top row of keys is pretty close to the phone, making it uncomfortable for users with bigger thumbs. I've never actually seen or used this phone in person so im not sure if that would affect me, but from all the research i've done most reviews are positive. My one big concern is that its a new company. I recently heard amp'd mobile went bankrupt from a friend who was suckered by their advertising into getting their phone, which under-delivered in her eyes. Im afriad of getting a helio and signing on a contract, only for the company to go bankrupt then i have a bricked device and no more phone.
iphone.. ugh ugh ugh its just to damned expensive. the only two things i like about it are the web browser and the touchscreen. browsing is so easy on that thing, but for $600 and only 8gb its just not worth it. the touchscreen just doesnt work for all things though, mainly as a phone! you cant really dial without looking so i'd have to get accustom to using the phonebook to make calls. i dont like using phonebooks for important numbers because i know i'll end up forgetting the number and if im ever stuck without MY phone and have to call someone important from somewhere else.. im screwed. also when it comes to typing the keys are so tiny.. they have all that space on screen and it goes to waste with such tiny buttons. im sure once you get the hang of it you can type away pretty fast but its still so easy to make a mistake.
now theres this ipod touch that has the mobile browser i want with the cool little touchscreen but doesnt fill my need for a phone + browser or a good mp3 player. my old mp3 player is basically dead and the 20gb it came with was only a fraction of my music collection. i need more than 16gbs, sorry. and again, for $400 i feel like im getting pretty ripped off.. i can get the helio ocean for less than that, and i still get the phone features! sure i can only max out the space with a 2gb sd card but i dont think the extra 14gigs on the iPod touch are worth the extra price.
oh and while im ranting, i wonder when they're going to relase the ipod video+ or whatever, im not talking about one with video playback, im talking about one with a camera. the iphone finally added a camera to an ipod (not sure if it does video too though) so when will the ipod have a camera that takes pics/video?? i figured it would of happened way before trying to turn an ipod into a phone..
it makes more sense to me to be able to take and store pictures and videos with my ipod and transfer them out to a pc than the other way around. why the hell would you take time to upload a bunch of crappy photos of you and your friends just to show off on your ipod, you cant do anything with them after that. atleast if the ipod had a camera thered be a reason to have those stupid pictures on there, then you can upload em to your pc and share them with your friends. the opposite of that is just a pointless dead end and it irks the sh!t out of me.. ugh
/end rant (sorry)
Post by: vudu on September 05, 2007, 09:20:09 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 09:38:26 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Is Apple trying to kill sales for the iPhone? I'd be damn pissed if I were AT&T.
maybe, but they sure do seem like they're trying to make Starbucks money..
appearantly they've teamed up to allow for free wi-fi for this new ipod at certain starbucks stores, that way you can use the itunes store inside.
thats exactly the kind of crowd their going for with the ipods/phones.. the pompous young adult crowd that hangs out at starbucks like its a freaking amusement park. i hate those people.. its one of the reasons why i never bought an ipod. i still dont have one but i think im just gonna give in.. sigh i need a new mp3 player
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 05, 2007, 09:43:10 AM
Post by: vudu on September 05, 2007, 09:55:01 AM
QuoteI know very little about the Touch (or the iPhone) but my assumption is that these are flash-memory-based players; the Classic is HDD-based. As you probably know, flash memory is smaller than hard drives and don't skip, but their capacity is much smaller (at least at reasonable prices).
Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Can someone explain the logic to me behind releasing the iPod Touch with such a small HDD? Is it just so that they don't steal thunder from the iPod Classic?
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 10:17:46 AM
give me an hdd based iphone or "tPod" (from here-in thats what i dub the iPod touch) with 80 or even 160gb and im SOLD. i dont care if its a little thicker, its what i as a consumer want out of a product im willing to dish out that kind of money for.
looks alone wont get my dollar.
Post by: vudu on September 05, 2007, 10:28:56 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
i like using them because i like having my music all in one place. i dont have a pc in my room so being able to load up an mp3 player and hook it up to my surround speakers to blast a high volumes in the privacy of my room where i can study, play a video game, work out, etc..
also its great to have when i have to take the train into the city, or when i go for walks. i dont really jog or work out at a gym so im not one of those people with an mp3 player strapped to my arm, but i can see where for people like you skipping could become annoying with the constant moving.
still though, there are people who have ipods JUST for those purposes, so a small amount of flash memory 1-8gb is fine when you're not gonna use it all the time. i dont think anyone will be jogging with their "tPod" (or iPhone for that matter) and web browsing at the same time, or using google maps... so skipping wouldn't be a problem, so the only reason to include flash memory is for size.
i dont know if the moving parts of a hdd will affect battery life however... if flash memory = no moving parts = longer battery life, thats all well and good but i'd still want a bigger storage capacity. if its not possible without sacraficing battery life, i guess im out of luck
Post by: UERD on September 05, 2007, 11:13:21 AM
I have a small music collection, so I don't care about the storage capacity. I would rather have a large HD than an 8mm form factor, though, like EasyCure said. But I dropped my 5G iPod onto a stack of CD cases once, and the hard drive made this awful grinding sound. (Thankfully, the drive itself didn't get busted...I just lost about 4 GB worth of storage space to a 'bad sector'.)
Other than that, this is exactly what I've been hoping for: a cheaper iPhone without the 'phone' part. I already have a perfectly good cell phone, thank you very much. Wake me up when they come out with a full-duplexing cellular videophone.
Oh, and it's funny to imagine what the early iPhone adopters are thinking, now that the 8GB model is $100 cheaper than the 4GB model was at launch. Of course, this means that if I buy a Touch now, they'll come out with an improved one in December with more storage and a lower price.
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i dont know if the moving parts of a hdd will affect battery life however... if flash memory = no moving parts = longer battery life, thats all well and good but i'd still want a bigger storage capacity. if its not possible without sacraficing battery life, i guess im out of luck
Flash memory takes up less power than a HD, because as you said the HD has a motor which eats up current when it spins. But considering how the 'classic' iPods have a stated 30 hour battery life, I don't think battery power is a large consideration. They probably used a smaller battery in the touch iPod to fit the form factor.
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 11:27:45 AM
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Flash memory takes up less power than a HD, because as you said the HD has a motor which eats up current when it spins. But considering how the 'classic' iPods have a stated 30 hour battery life, I don't think battery power is a large consideration. They probably used a smaller battery in the touch iPod to fit the form factor.
and thats what sucks about asthetics sometimes. im not opposed to stuff looking sleek, i can be pretty superficial when i want to.. but imagine if they would just sacrifice a little bit of size for a better battery life. the combonation of flash memory + a bigger batter normally used for an hdd would only mean longer battery life for the product.. so what if its not paper thin?
the other thing i hate about smaller and thinner devices is how flimsy they look and feel.. im pretty clumsy and i drop stuff ALOT.. i cant imagine having a phone the size of a Razr, i know i'd break it in a day.
it must suck to be an early iphone adopter after this news.. this new "tPod" can have twice the memory of the 8gig iphone for less money.. and you can keep the cell phone you already have that you're probably happy with lol. ouch, that just hurts..
im mad at this news though. like i said i've been thinking of getting a phone or some other device with a web browser, and i was leaning towards a Helio Ocean over the iphone but now i can get a cheaper version of the iphone, without having to get rid of my phone and paying a monthly fee for service.. but again, 16 gigs just isnt enough for me.. i plan on getting myself and 80 gig ipod by xmas.. maybe 160 gig, but that seems pretty excessive even to me lol.... so do i really need a 16 minute mp3player with web browser? if i get the helio and a normal ipod i guess i'll be fine.. but that touch screen... sigh
if the ds browser was good i wouldnt have to be in this mess.. dammit
Post by: Mashiro on September 05, 2007, 11:37:44 AM
To be honest I'm torn as well between the cheaper and more spacious "classic" iPod and the iPod touch. . . though I am leaning toward the touch.
As much as I love more space, my iPod is 3rd gen with 20 gigs on it so 16 should suffice . . . it's so sexy and like 8mm thick . . . how can I resist that?
I can't . . . I just can't . . .
Post by: UERD on September 05, 2007, 11:45:55 AM
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and thats what sucks about asthetics sometimes.
I completely agree. I mean, it's not as if the regular iPod was that thick to begin with. I bet you, though, that when they revise the line in a couple of months or so, they'll add a HD to the most expensive model and better batteries for each one.
Then again, I only have about 2 gigs of music, so I'm not too worried about storage capacity. Having that mobile internet capacity, though....that kicks serious ass.
Post by: Mashiro on September 05, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
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and thats what sucks about asthetics sometimes.
I completely agree. I mean, it's not as if the regular iPod was that thick to begin with. I bet you, though, that when they revise the line in a couple of months or so, they'll add a HD to the most expensive model and better batteries for each one.
Then again, I only have about 2 gigs of music, so I'm not too worried about storage capacity. Having that mobile internet capacity, though....that kicks serious ass.
That and iPod touch will get you alllll the ladies.
It says so under tech specs!
Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2007, 07:45:37 PM
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and thats what sucks about asthetics sometimes.
I completely agree. I mean, it's not as if the regular iPod was that thick to begin with. I bet you, though, that when they revise the line in a couple of months or so, they'll add a HD to the most expensive model and better batteries for each one.
Then again, I only have about 2 gigs of music, so I'm not too worried about storage capacity. Having that mobile internet capacity, though....that kicks serious ass.
That and iPod touch will get you alllll the ladies.
It says so under tech specs!
LOL
the “tPod” will only bring you the ladies if you pretend its the more expensive phone.
after thinking about it all day i'm still torn... Even though my original plan (getting an Ocean + ipod) is a bit of a better investment i can't help but want the stupid thing because the touch screen browser navigation was just so cool! plus the thing runs on wifi which means i'll have to find a hot spot to web browse... Do you know how annoying that is? by the way this is coming from a guy who lives a block away from a McDonalds and hasn't once walked down there to take my DS online.. Why would i want to do that with just to enjoy the internet?
and besides, 16gb just won't cut it for me... Sigh but its still cool and i want one
their marketing really works cuz give never thought about a product so bad and wanted it despite it being flawed in my eyes
Post by: EasyCure on September 06, 2007, 06:14:44 AM
when the hell did they get rid of the sleek white ipod and replace it with the dull looking gray one found on their official site?
and the nano has gotten redisgned to completely to be a nano video (im assuming it wasnt a feature before with its tiny screen).
i've also noticed there is no longer a 60gb Classic ipod, only 80 and 160.. thats not really a big deal though. things like that nano redesign bug me though because they have such a big market of consumers that will just throw money at them for these redesigns.. i know atleast five people who've all had one form of an ipod thats broken on them, paid to have it fixed, broken again and just said "screw it i'll buy another one, theres a new one out anyway." I dont get it.. they should have some sort of replacement program if they really think their newer versions of their product are superior. Now im not sure if they've ever actually refered to the revisions as superior or not officially but if you'll exclude the older models from your site as if they never existed, thats pretty much what you're telling your customers.
im glad im not an early adopter. i bet by the time i have the money to afford an ipod they'll just announce a new model or something. with my luck though they'll anounce it a day after my return period for the ipod i ended up buying expires.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 06, 2007, 08:08:11 AM
now I know what I'll get when my 5G dies
...
Post by: EasyCure on September 06, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
but he doesnt have nearly as big a music collection as i do. now the 160gb is going for the price that the 80gb used to go for.. i might as well get it, i was planning on spending that same amount of money anyway, so why not right?
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 06, 2007, 08:50:14 AM
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2007, 11:05:45 AM
Post by: MattVDB on September 06, 2007, 07:29:12 PM
What has been nice though, is the keyboard. Most people don't realize, but the auto-correct that it has is fantastic. I can easily type 30 WPM on the keyboard. Personally, I can't speak to your wanting to keep every number memorized, but I will tell you what some of my friends did for me. Just before I moved down to LA my friends gave me a care package. In it, they included a business card with all of my important contacts. Basically, I never would have thought of it, but hey, why not use it as your fail safe?
People complain about the battery life (I've never personally had it run out on my), people complain about the price (just dropped 200 bucks, besides the fact that it was worth it at 600 bucks), people just like complaining. Coming from an actual owner, I'll tell you go for it. I love it. I use it every day. I use most of the features on a daily basis, and don't know how I'd settle for anything less.
Post by: 18 Days on September 07, 2007, 04:06:22 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 07, 2007, 04:53:54 AM
in response to Matt:
honestly, i forgot about the auto complete. It did help w/ typing the one time i was able to use it. I think i put it in my review i wrote around the time it came out.
About the 8gb: i do have more than 8gb of media that i'll want to listen to at any given time. The only thing that i love more than Nintendo is music, and i listen to music any chance i get.
I currently own an iRiver H10 that holds 20gb. It stopped being recognised by my (or any) PC after only putting about 10 gigs of music on there, and thats only a fraction of my collection. Those 10 gigs are only 13 different artist. I'm the kind that has every cd for every artist in my collection plus bonus stuff like remix albums or singles collections and b-sides. Take The Cure for example, i have all 10 studio albums, 1 remix album, 1 import “singles” collection (which is full of songs not released on albums so its pretty much its own album), 3 bonus full-length discs of period era B-sides to with the their first 3 albums (with more to come), a “complete” collection of b sides, demos, and remixes that was released before the previously mentioned bonus discs (collection is 4 discs), 1 greatest hits album (different pound quality + a bonus track), 1 acoustic version of the greatest hits album, and for emphasis, 1 cure tribute album.
Now thats just one band, i'm like that with most of the artists i like. I'm sure its easy to see how 8 or even 16 gigs just won't cut it. Yeah, i know there might be a song album or artist that gets played less than the others, so why have them take up my storage space? well, because i can. It sounds a bit snobbish that way but it shouldn't. All i'm saying is that we all know its possible to get 80gb or more in a portable device, so give me that option.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 07, 2007, 08:03:31 AM
Post by: UERD on September 07, 2007, 11:17:41 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 07, 2007, 11:18:48 AM
Though you need Wifi to go online =)
Post by: Caliban on September 07, 2007, 01:32:36 PM
Post by: MattVDB on September 07, 2007, 07:03:25 PM
I'm not going to argue that having all 80 gigs of your music on your person isn't a better thing. To argue that is ridiculous. I'm not sure I want to know how much an iPhone with 80 gigs of storage would cost though. That would be crazy. What I am saying, is that I've seen people in your position (Remember, I was one of them) that hold to the idea that a portable devise must hold EVERYTHING that is on your computer when you are on the go. It's simply not necessary (although I will give you that it's convenient). What is ridiculous is turning down a product for silly reasons. I had the 30 gig iPod (back when my collection would fit inside of that), but then I downgraded to a 2 gig nano simply for the form factor (and ironically, I would heartedly recommend the nano over the full size, but that's a different story). What I was surprised to find is how much I could actually fit into that. I've never had issues with the space limitations given, although you are correct I can't hold my whole library. Oh, and if you want to talk about devises that can hold everything on my computer on the go, care to find me a handheld that has over two terabytes of storage? If you could, I would love you forever. ;-)
Also, the keyboard on the iPhone takes most users about a day to become fluent on it. I could barely tap out a message when I first used it, and the auto correct didn't help me much. In time, after it got used to me, and I got used to it we have a much better relationship. 30 WPM is the fun-lovin' truth man.
(Oh, and about being a lover of music? I'm currently directing a Rock Opera Musical. I know what that means. :-))
Post by: EasyCure on September 08, 2007, 09:03:40 AM
fall asleep listening to music, wake up listening to music, shower, eat, and even held a couple of jobs where i listened to music (that i liked) at work. when i go out the stereo is always blasting, i even made a lil whole in the pannel so that my AUX cable sticks thru so i can hook up my mp3 player or a friends ipod just to keep the music flowing (if not i use mp3 cd's but even when i have like 200 songs on those i find myself switching out for other mp3 cd's like craaazy). so yeah, music is a big part of my life and i like to have lots of different things with me at all times becuase you never know what mood you'll be in, and im sure you can understand. i just wouldnt want to compromise what i listen to, because thats how i see it as. I wouldnt remember to switch out albums or artists to keep refreshing the player, i'd rather just have it all in and not fuss with it. That way if i'm driving home in the rain and feeling bummed out i can put on something slightly depressing to fit the mood, or if its super sunny out and every girl on the street is wearing tiny tops and short-shorts i can blash something dancy and fun to get my energy up and just feel good, of if im pissed i can put on some metal and just thrash inside my head lol. The one thing i can't stand is listening to a song, remembering another one having that feeling of "ugh.. damn i dont have that on here..." it just blows, and ruins my day man.
it may be unnecessary but like you said, it is convenient, and i'd just rather have it then not.
the storage space isn't the only issue though, the price is a hurdle for me. I know its been reduced but between the price of the phone itself and pricing plans, theres no waay i could afford that (hell i cant afford anything right now but that a whooooole other story). correct me if im wrong, the minimum charge is around $60 for 500mins a month right? i dont remember how many text messages are included with the data plan but i know for unlimited its a pretty hefty fee. I'm basically a text whore. alot of my friends text me from work because its much easier than making a call and im fine with it, but it did get out of hand for a bit so i upgraded to unlimited and i dont have to worry. My plan (with tmobile) is $60 a month with 1500 mins (no free nights/weekends tho) and unlimited text. by the end of the month i have like 200 mins to spare, give or take, and a countless amount of text. Heres an example.. my current bill started on the 29th, its the 8th today and i've used: 2022 text messages so far. Lets see how many i use by the end of the month.
fact is to get what i need out of it as a phone is just going to be too expensive considering my alternatives. maybe by the 2nd or 3rd generation iphone a bigger storage capacity will finally pursauade me to drop my dollar on it, but as of now i just cant. Like is said i can barely afford my phone bill as is (out of steady work, doing freelance stuff to get by) but when i do get a steady job i will plan to upgrade, just not to an iphone. Maybe in the future, cuz it is a cool little product.
oh and if i did find a portable storage device with over 2 terabytes of storage i wouldnt tell you about it. not to be greedy i just dont know you well enough to embrace your man love :-P
ps good luck on the rock opera!
Post by: UERD on September 18, 2007, 02:07:14 PM
I can't wait until Apple/third-party hackers enable the Secret Bluetooth Chip and write third-party software! Yay for lack of FCC approval!
Post by: Mashiro on September 18, 2007, 03:17:33 PM
Post by: UERD on September 18, 2007, 03:26:49 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 18, 2007, 03:35:15 PM
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I heard it was supposedly a manufacturing defect with the very first batch of units, but I'm not too sure. Anyways, would it have killed them to just put the iPhone screen in?
Yeah seriously.
I was also dissapointed to hear the back of the iPod touch is apparently not as scratch resistant as the iPhone.
What gives Apple? I wonder why they don't (like you said) use the same parts as the iPhone.
Post by: EasyCure on September 18, 2007, 04:29:47 PM
thats my guess
Post by: Caliban on September 19, 2007, 08:36:05 AM
Post by: UERD on September 20, 2007, 08:20:27 AM
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To cut corners and have a huge supply ready for the holidays
They certainly did cut corners, with the touch screens and the crappy iPod firmware. But apparently the screen problem is an isolated manufacturing defect that only affected the first batch.
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iPod touch is apparently not as scratch resistant as the iPhone.
The iPhone back was some sort of brushed aluminum. The iPod touch back is the same polished metal that was used with the older iPods.
Post by: EasyCure on September 20, 2007, 08:29:32 AM
i've seen a few videos putting the iphone to the "scratch test" and it holds up pretty well, thats where im making that basis from. i could be wrong
Post by: UERD on September 20, 2007, 08:31:38 AM
By the way, Mashiro said back, but I copied wrong when I quoted him. So sorry about that
Post by: EasyCure on September 20, 2007, 08:43:08 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 20, 2007, 12:46:25 PM
Yeah I wouldn't mind as much either (the screen being ok and not the back as much) but still if it doesn't effect a near identical product, why is it effecting the back at all? That's all.
As usually I think I'll wait for revision A to come out ^^
Post by: Stogi on February 03, 2009, 09:15:01 PM
Unfortunately, I can't fit all my songs onto it, but regardless, I love it! I'm liking the App store. I've already downloaded about 15 of them. I especially like the Remote App. Now if I can just get it to work with Media Monkey.....
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Buy Rolando, it's a great game.
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I want one just to play SimCity 3000 again.
The first SimCity for the DS (SimCity DS) is a pretty decent port of SC 3000.
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