Post by: MaryJane on August 26, 2007, 07:31:26 AM
Had this been a Wii game and reviewed by the Wii editors of IGN I imagine the game would have gotten a 6, the PS3 editors do a good job of pointing out the games faults, while keeping civil, and making it seem like it's not too bad. However if you read in between the lines, you can see that this game isn't worth the Charmin Ultra Softs the developers used to wipe their butts:
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The story isn't exactly the deepest thing we've ever witnessed, but the presentation helps give it weight that wouldn't necessarily have felt like it was there otherwise.
No story, but somehow the graphics make up for it...
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While the combat mechanics are generally quite strong, Heavenly Sword relies on them far too much to carry the excitement through to the end. You'll quickly find that you're fighting the same battles time and time again, and that there isn't much variety in what you need to do. Sure, you have a large number of combos at your disposal, but the actual battles are largely the same.
Part of the problem is that aside from the bosses, you really only fight the same soldier types for most of the game. There's the basic soldier, the heavily armored soldier, guys with bows and some ninjas. There are one or two other enemy types to fight at certain spots, but they're few and far between. Most of these enemies are introduced early on in the game, and you'll fight them until the very end.
Good combat "mechanics", but combat itself is generic and repeating...
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Another issue is that a number of the skirmishes are essentially arena battles where you wind up trapped in a room and need to fend off swarm after swarm of enemies. This just makes it feel like you're trudging through that section of the game and that the designers are keeping you put for a while to rack up the overall game time. Whereas better-paced titles will have you constantly moving forward as you fight, or at least reward you with a new item in these cases, with Heavenly Sword it feels as if your progression is oftentimes paused as you fight off a number of enemies before progressing with nothing new to show for it.
Trying to make the game longer with unimportant, unwanted, and halting dungeons. I assume that when he says "better-paced titles" he means games like Zelda, where you are always rewarded for your hard work.
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There's one section in particular where you must use a crank to raise a large statue and then bounce a shield off it and into another button before the statue lowers back down to the ground. With every miss you need to go back over and spend time raising the statue back up again. This is a very small example and wouldn't necessarily reflect poorly on the game on its own, but there are a number of somewhat similar parts that do make the experience a little frustrating at times.
Another example of how bad the gameplay is.
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But there are a few sniper sections that simply go on for far too long as using Aftertouch to properly steer her arrows slows the game to a crawl. The concept is cool, but when you need to snipe soldier after soldier after soldier with little to no challenge, it just gets old fast.
He's referring to parts of the game where you play as another character, and guess what? The gameplay STILL sucks.
Even though I have no intention of buying a PS3 I was looking forward to this game, now all that is left really is MGS4.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 26, 2007, 07:37:33 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
Maybe someday PS3 will get a good game . . . maybe.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 26, 2007, 08:07:57 AM
Post by: Ghisy on August 26, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
Poor PS3.
Post by: Pale on August 26, 2007, 08:40:34 AM
I laughed hardest at you saying that the Wii editors would have given it a 6, and that that makes the PS3 editors biased? Hah, 1 point difference? That seems like quite a silly assumption.
Playing the demo, I fully expected it to be a button mash enemies everywhere fest with a killer story and some beautiful animation to go along with it. I see nothing wrong with allowing great cinematography to bring a score up a few notches. Hell, if the gameplay was top notch and the cinematography was absolute crap, I would expect it to bring the score down.
While it's fun to hate on the PS3 (and/or 360) they won't go away. Like it or not, a certain group of developers want to put as many power hungry features in their games as possible. That is the reason these big titles won't come to Wii. As much as I'd love to see a game like FF XIII go Wii exclusive, Square is built on gorgeous graphics. They need a powerful system that sells well in Japan. That sure as hell isn't Wii or 360.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 08:48:58 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 08:52:19 AM
Let's all be honest here, square isn't going to be making back those mega bucks they spend on their graphically insane games on the PS3.
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 08:54:26 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:06:32 AM
Post by: Adrock on August 26, 2007, 09:13:29 AM
I believe that MGS4 will be a good game. Maybe it won't justify buying a $600 console, but it's still something great to play.
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2007, 09:20:30 AM
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Pass me the rifle, it's time someone put the PS3 out of its misery.
Hey, don't shoot my media player and PS2...
After playing the demo I lost interest in this game. Even though the little commercial sized anime is sort of interesting. I'm more excited about Folklore. Which I had little interest in before the demo but now am generally interested. It has potential. I hope it has the story to match.
Post by: MaryJane on August 26, 2007, 09:29:46 AM
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7.0 to 7.9
A good game that has some obvious flaws. Games scoring in the high end of this range might have some first-rate elements, whereas the lower 7s have some serious shortcomings that keep them from ever achieving classic status.
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6.0 to 6.9
Passable, but just barely. Games in this range have more blemishes than strengths, but still might be worth a look if you're into games of its type. The other games are polite to the sixes, but they don't get invited to any of the parties. Rent this game or download the demo first before spending your hard-earned money.
Hopefully this better explains my opinion of them being biased.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 09:33:24 AM
Who are you, and what did you do with Pale?
"As much as I'd love to see a game like FF XIII go Wii exclusive, Square is built on gorgeous graphics. They need a powerful system that sells well in Japan."
DS says "Hi."
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:41:22 AM
Post by: Pale on August 26, 2007, 10:04:03 AM
/sigh
I just read threads like this that relatively irrationally bash another system and it kind of irks me.
It's not like the Wii's current crop of games is tearing up the charts.
As for your DS comment, it's a point well taken, but it does not change the fact that Square is going to have their huge budget FF title. The only thing that will change that is if they release one and it flops.
Maybe that will be FF XIII on PS3. I doubt it though. It's still going to sell phenomenally well.
Post by: UncleBob on August 26, 2007, 10:05:41 AM
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It's not like the Wii's current crop of games is tearing up the charts.
I assume you're not talking about the *sales* charts here...
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 10:06:56 AM
Post by: Pale on August 26, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
I still think all of you will have a PS3 once LBP hits.
Post by: UncleBob on August 26, 2007, 10:10:01 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 10:10:56 AM
I won't be buying a PS3 unless there is a Naruto MMORPG that comes out on it and it's good. (Same goes for Xbox 360).
I have no urge to give Sony my money once again for a system I will never touch.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 10:15:52 AM
Oh well, there's always WarHawk! I've been hearing good things about that game!
Post by: Mashiro on August 26, 2007, 10:16:51 AM
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Poor Sony. They've got a GameCube 2 on their hands.
Wait when was Gamecube an over priced console with no decent games?
At least GC launched with Smash Bros.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 26, 2007, 10:39:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Developing on "the most powerful console" also didn't stop Squenix from developing almost exclusively for the PS2...These games sold well on PS2, so why wouldn't they sell on a system that's clearly more powerful if it has the most striking marketshare? The Final Fantasy series doesn't sell because of the graphics (which are pretty horrid), they sell because they have a rabid fanbase...
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 11:26:27 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 26, 2007, 11:51:57 AM
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This is such an exciting generation!
It is. Who could have seen Sony failing so horribly and Nintendo with more consoles sold then Microsoft?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 12:08:31 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 26, 2007, 12:18:14 PM
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Well I knew there was going to be problems for Heavenly Sword when IGN made statements like "Well if you bought it only for the graphics and artstyle it would be worth it".
Did they really say that? If so, that's just awesome...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 12:22:08 PM
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Well I knew there was going to be problems for Heavenly Sword when IGN made statements like "Well if you bought it only for the graphics and artstyle it would be worth it".
Did they really say that? If so, that's just awesome...
Haha, well for your amusement this is exactly what they said.
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Although I am well aware that solid gameplay is absolutely critical for making this a good game, I would buy it just for the cutscenes. Serkis clearly poured some artistic energy into the directorial elements of Heavenly Sword, and the story of Nariko and her dying clan could become one of the better-told stories in recent videogame history.
Post by: UncleBob on August 26, 2007, 12:32:07 PM
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The difference is that 3rd parties are still trying to give the PS3 chance after chance, no matter what flops, while they were already writing the GC off just months after release...And the PS3 is doing WORSE than GC started off...That's not really fair, no?
To be fair though, they jumped ship on the GCN *after* it started sinking knowing that the last Nintendo-built ship sank like a stone (N64)... The last Sony-built ship did pretty well, I assume you'll agree...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 12:46:51 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 26, 2007, 12:50:00 PM
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Although I am well aware that solid gameplay is absolutely critical for making this a good game, I would buy it just for the cutscenes.
That comment right there is just priceless...
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
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5.0 - Games that are awarded this score are considered mediocre, where the bad qualities and good qualities of a title cancel each other out. This is also the threshold that separates games worth playing from games not worth playing. The further below 5.0 a game is scored, the worse it is; the higher above 5.0, the better it is.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 26, 2007, 08:22:55 PM
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Post by: Pale on August 27, 2007, 06:00:50 AM
Anyway, I'm convinced that if LBP delivers what they are promising, it will creat a new genre of video games and greatly change the industry. I wish Nintendo would have secured that idea.
Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2007, 06:51:12 AM
The idea that you can create your own levels is great, but it is not mass-marketable, character customization on the other hand is cool and I think it is something that people are going to spend more time on than building levels, however there will be those that will really want to build levels and for those that don't have a mindset to build things are going to have their lives made easier because of the former...but that's just my speculation.
The first moment I watched some footage for HS I didn't think it was anything special, even from the final build footage, it probably deserves the 7.
Warhawk looks like fun, but I'm not too keen on the terrestrial gameplay, dogfighting is where it's at for me.
Lair...I think it's going to get a 7 too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 07:50:46 AM
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Post by: Pale on August 27, 2007, 08:28:14 AM
Again, this is if they deliver on what they are promising, but it's basically a self-sustaining mod community with little to no barriers of entry.
Post by: ryancoke on August 27, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 11:36:01 AM
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GP, it's how they claim they are letting people customize. It has to potential to continue to release new "games" from within it's fanbase.
Again, this is if they deliver on what they are promising, but it's basically a self-sustaining mod community with little to no barriers of entry.
I wonder how the game will catch on, the Sony fan base isn't know for more casual games like LBP, it could easily die shortly after release.
Post by: UERD on August 27, 2007, 11:57:34 AM
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I wish Nintendo would have secured that idea.
It seems like they actually tried.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 27, 2007, 06:59:23 PM
Again, this is if they deliver on what they are promising, but it's basically a self-sustaining mod community with little to no barriers of entry.
Not like we didn't see that before. If you want to buy a PS3 over a staple feature of PC games...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 07:02:25 PM
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I had a game where I could make my own levels for the freaking C64.
Again, this is if they deliver on what they are promising, but it's basically a self-sustaining mod community with little to no barriers of entry.
Not like we didn't see that before. If you want to buy a PS3 over a staple feature of PC games...
OUch, KDR may be harsh there but he is right, us PC gamers have been experiencing stuff like this for awhile.
Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
Well then, I think that LBP is hoping to be the next Halo then.
&P
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 12:09:33 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 28, 2007, 06:43:57 AM
Anyway, on Heavenly Sword, I never expected much from this game. All the early previews were kind of so-so and...I don't know....there just wasn't any reason to expect a lot from it. Lair, I had higher expectations for, because at least Factor 5 has been known to make some great games in the past. Heavenly Sword, I don't even know who the developer was.
Post by: Pale on August 28, 2007, 06:47:48 AM
Secondly, mods for PC games are quite complicated for the average gamer, so they aren't a direct comparison...
Did you all just ignore my little to no barriers to entry comment or do you just like to make yourselves look smarter? LBP is a beautifully done game with a beautiful concept behind it. In many ways it is similar in my mind to Spore. Both games are promising a ton. If they deliver on those promises they will be unbelievable. The thing is it can be easy to be skeptical. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to try and hate on a game that isn't on a Nintendo platform.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 07:17:11 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 07:18:41 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 07:20:35 AM
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How about awesome? It's offering lots of awesome.
Can't argue with that.
Post by: Pale on August 28, 2007, 07:29:16 AM
/sigh
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 10:13:24 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 10:21:22 AM
/sigh
Post by: MaryJane on August 28, 2007, 12:55:18 PM
I just wanted to say that this thread was in no means a thread to bash PS3, the Wii is doing a good enough job by itself. (let alone the almight DS)
I thought Heavenly Sword would be an awesome game, and I'll admit most of that was based off the gorgeous graphics, I used the (obviously flawed) logic, if they put that much time into the graphics then they'll also put a lot of time into making it an amazingly gameplay experience. Gameplay without graphics isn't totally acceptable (look at the graphical effort of MP:3), but passable as Pale mentioned in some games. Graphics without gameplay is worthless, someone said that they'd watch an anime or manga/comic book about Heavenly Sword, and I agree, that's really all it's worth; watching.
From me, the described repitiveness would have earned the game a 3. WTF is the point of playing the same game over and over?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 01:17:29 PM
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I'm all the more surprised at these negative reactions because they've put so much effort into their cinematic portions. I think they even hired Andy Serkis, of Gollum and King Kong fame, to motion capture and voice act their evil emperor. That guy is AWESOME!
I really don't blame them, they seen how the MGS games are all about watching instead of playing, so they thought they'd do the same.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 01:25:23 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 01:39:52 PM
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The game will sell well on visuals though won't it? Anyone got any predictions? Maybe... 1 million worldwide eventually?
I have no doubt the game will sell, with the slim pickings of the PS3 any game of decent quality that isn't a port will more than likely sell well. It is like consoles around launch, games that wouldn't sell otherwise get good sales because of there not being much choice. Out of all 3 consoles PS3's lineup is quite pathetic for the holidays when it comes to exclusives, so decent sales would not surprise me for games like Lair, Heavenly and maybe Warhawk.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 01:46:38 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 01:49:37 PM
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Well, they've got Uncharted and Rachet. There's plenty of hope left for the PS3's Holiday lineup outside of HeavenlyLairHawk.
Ratchet? I don't think so, that series has been going downhill for years now. Uncharted, maybe, but I wouldn't give your hopes up, it isn't like Naughty Dog is a consistent developer. Neither games are the Calibur of a Bioshock, Halo, SMG, or Smash Brothers.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 01:53:34 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 01:59:40 PM
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Did you just admit that Halo is a high calibre game GP?
Yes because it is a title that is going to generate alot of excitement. Ratchet and Clank along with Uncharted not only teeter on suffering in gameplay, but will not be nearly as big as the games I mentioned hype wise.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 02:09:39 PM
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Uncharted could be. They just need to market that as the first truly next-gen adventure game.
Ehhe, I think that is a stretch and wishful thinking there.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 02:19:02 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 02:20:56 PM
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They could do commercials where the guy's got sass, talks the tv audience, cracks some jokes, and roundhouse kicks a bad guy. Sell it as the closest thing to indiana jones you'll ever live.
You realize we are talking about Sony right? Complete with crying creepy babies.
Post by: MaryJane on August 28, 2007, 03:13:58 PM
jeebus
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Post by: Ghisy on August 28, 2007, 09:13:59 PM
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Didn't a square game or something, called Bouncer suffer from a similar fate? Amazing visuals (for the time) but not much else.
Yup, it was called "The Bouncer" and was the first Square game on the PS2.
I remember playing it at a friend's who imported a Japanese PS2 and the game was pretty but very repetitive and you could beat it under 2 hours.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 09:22:48 PM
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Didn't a square game or something, called Bouncer suffer from a similar fate? Amazing visuals (for the time) but not much else.
Yup, it was called "The Bouncer" and was the first Square game on the PS2.
I remember playing it at a friend's who imported a Japanese PS2 and the game was pretty but very repetitive and you could beat it under 2 hours.
Supposedly Heavenly Sword takes less than 6hrs to beat!
Post by: KDR_11k on August 28, 2007, 09:28:49 PM
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Firstly, LBP will be significantly more complex then most games with level editors. Especially those on the commodore 64.
Secondly, mods for PC games are quite complicated for the average gamer, so they aren't a direct comparison...
Did you all just ignore my little to no barriers to entry comment or do you just like to make yourselves look smarter? LBP is a beautifully done game with a beautiful concept behind it. In many ways it is similar in my mind to Spore. Both games are promising a ton. If they deliver on those promises they will be unbelievable. The thing is it can be easy to be skeptical. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to try and hate on a game that isn't on a Nintendo platform.
Mods are complicated because mods can change EVERY rule in the game. A custom level is not a mod unless you're going for the more complicated levels in a Blizzard game or what UE3.0 promises. It's impossible to allow such complexity with an editor everyone can use because not everyone can even describe something like that. How do you make an intuitive tool that can create an arbitrary 3d shape (as opposed to gluing a few primitives together and calling it a house)? How do you make it intuitive simple to change e.g. the rules into Bomberman or Ikaruga when the basic game knows none of the rules those games use?
There are simple editors for simple purposes and complex editors for complex purposes because a complex editor is capable of expressing much more (unless you invoke hacks and those are nowhere near simple).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 29, 2007, 08:19:22 PM
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You can see that the idea isn't about offering players levels and storylines, it's about getting gamers to build the game for you.
Well, yeah, the web 2.0 idea applied to gaming, just as some Sony exec said.
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 04:28:50 AM
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The thing about LBP is that it had potential, but you can already see it squandered it. You can see that the idea isn't about offering players levels and storylines, it's about getting gamers to build the game for you. And with less tools than you have. If I wanted to make my own games, I would have stayed in Computer Engineering and done it right. Now, because of the way they've set up the system, the game will not be close to LoZ:FS. That's my belief.
All this LBP hate is making me
Have you people never known the joy of "The Incredible Machine?" LBP is an Incredible Machine that you can PLAY!!!
Post by: Pale on August 30, 2007, 05:23:01 AM
It's times like these that I wish I could jump into an alternate dimension where LBP was coming to Wii and then see how everyone reacted to it.
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 05:25:59 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 05:55:50 AM
How can I say this? Look at FF:CC. Look at TLoZ:FSA. Look at any four player group game. How well do they get praised? Usually, they're considered sleeper hits. Either they don't get reviewed well and few people buy them, or they get good reviews, but no hype, and still don't sell well. This game is the opposite. It isn't an original idea, the game doesn't offer much of anything besides customization, the exploration concepts seem to be fairly basic, yet it's got tons of hype, tons of critical appraisal, and to be honest, we haven't actually seen anything real out of it yet. To me, it's ridiculous. It's just as bad as when all the press came out of GDC hyping up Home. There was nothing special about home, but since it was one of the few things Sony had not done completely wrong, they ate it up. This game is like that. It looks mediocre at best, but on the PS3, apparently, being mediocre is all it takes to be considered great.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 30, 2007, 07:59:11 AM
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Thank you Kairon.
It's times like these that I wish I could jump into an alternate dimension where LBP was coming to Wii and then see how everyone reacted to it.
I think LBP looks good, but the thought of it as a game/builder has no appeal to me, regardless of what system it is available on.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 12:04:25 PM
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looks like ING's 7.0 was low compared to most other reviewers. The average review score on Metacritic.com is 8.3 right now.
Which is overinflated, especially considering that that they had complaints about the package being pretty basic and yet did not allow that to impact the score.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 30, 2007, 12:50:28 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 30, 2007, 11:22:42 PM
Besides, if you want an editable level you can play try Trackmania.
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 12:12:38 AM
Excite Bike <3
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 31, 2007, 06:10:49 PM
Now will Little Big Planet save the PS3? No. Just like Home won't save PS3. I still say if people want to play Home they will just play second life on PC.
You know Nintendo could easily one up Little Big Planet with no effort at all. Release a new Mario Game that allowed you to play 4 players...Toad, Princess, Luigi, Mario at the same time and be able to use the sprites from World, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 3 (From All Stars) to create your own levels and share on Wii24Connect online. The Mario world is instantly fimilar and loved by all people, and everybody has wanted to create their own Mario level. To package the product, Nintendo can have pre made levels designed from top designers around the industry...each being able to design their own Mario level how they envision it.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 31, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
The only game I've played with good user created content is Starcraft. The only one other than that that I have seen was MUGEN.
The customization allowed has to be far beyond what games like LBP offers. LBP will wind up being pretty boring after a while.
Post by: UERD on August 31, 2007, 06:37:41 PM
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The only game I've played with good user created content is Starcraft.
I think this is the key. Combine level editors, object editors, and script editors for a real user-creation framework. Heaven knows the PS3 is close enough to a full-fledged PC anyways.
There are only a limited amount of things you can do with a predefined level editor that just lets you play with objects. If you want real customizable content, give the user access to the internal workings without making the product too inaccessible.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 31, 2007, 06:50:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 31, 2007, 08:55:10 PM
The Wii could probably handle that much awesome though.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 01, 2007, 12:37:04 AM
Anyway, I believe this thread was about Shiny Dynasty Warriors: Something about a sword or so.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 04, 2007, 08:44:37 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 04, 2007, 08:54:27 AM
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Well, the game is up to a 8.1 on Gamerankings, which is not bad at all. I don't think it's going to save the PS3, but then I never did...from a sales perspective, PS3's holiday lineup was pretty much pooched the day Grand Theft Auto got delayed. I don't think people buy brand-new systems for games they've never heard of. Then again, what about Halo?
81% is NOT good, especially when the scores are hovering around 70-80%. If you want a game to be a killer app it better do better than that.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 04, 2007, 09:17:03 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 04, 2007, 09:20:16 AM
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killer apps.
Haha, well for one we are talking about two different types of games. MP8 and Wii Sports are casual games which get ALOT more leeway, but when you are talking about full blown games that are built around being killer apps and they get an 81% that is bad.
Post by: ryancoke on September 04, 2007, 10:18:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 04, 2007, 10:29:09 AM
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81% is pretty good for a game all you whiney nintendo fanboys/gals are complaning about..
Actually that is pretty bad for one of Sony's big three, you aren't going to get systems off store shelves by selling people a slightly above average action beat em game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 04, 2007, 11:13:44 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2007, 03:29:51 AM
Realistically, though, the game could be all 9s and it still wouldn't "save" the PS3. The price and lack of games have both stacked the deck against it for months now. MGS 4 and Final Fantasy XIII are going to have to be freaking amazing to turn this ship around.
Post by: MaryJane on September 05, 2007, 08:56:11 AM
Two quotes from IGN's review. or bashing depending on how you look at it
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It was somewhere in the neighborhood of my fourth pass over a bridge filled with two warring factions and a bunch of evil rhinos that I went from thinking Lair wasn't that bad to wondering if Lucifer himself pressed this Blu-ray disc in the pits of hell
Starts off well...
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No doubt, that sounds interesting and fun; however, Lair's terrible controls and god-awful lock-on system make this a mission worthy of swallowing the business end of a shotgun to avoid.
I stopped reading when I saw the score was a 4.9.
How much worse can the PS3 suck when it's "exclusivekiller apps" suck. The good multiplatform games aren't going to sell systems for PS3 with the saturation of the Xbox360.
Well the PS3 does still have Home and LBP...
Edit: had the whole thing spoiler tagged lol
Post by: MaryJane on September 05, 2007, 09:12:25 AM
The "Closing Comments" wrap it up nicely:
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It's great to see Dark Resurrection Online rectify the missing online component from March's launch of the title with an added patch. However, for what you pay for the patch, you're not really receiving a huge return on your investment. Apart from the offline Survival mode, there's no additional content to be found or unlocked. Online play, while fun, is relatively generic and nothing that you haven't seen before. It's still a decent thing to have, but you're not really experiencing the best add on packs that the PSN has to offer.
What do they mean by "you're not really experiencing the best add on packs that the PSN has to offer"? I don't get it...
I should mention that for a person who likes fighting games this still sounds like a buy to me because of the online offering, though I would have to already own a PS3, this game doesn't make me want to buy one.
edit: sorry this is a little hard right now
Post by: Pale on September 05, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
Heavenly Sword receiving a 7 isn't that big of a deal. All in all, 7 is a pretty good score and to me it means that fans of the genre (That would be the action-taptaptap genre) will still love it.
This Lair news is crazy though. Combine the 4.9 with what PA has said...
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Playing Lair is horrifying, like having a talking cyst erupt out of your genitals.
Eesh. I was really looking forward to that game too. It will probably still be worth 20 bucks to me (when it drops) just to see what all the hub-bub was about... but that's just crazy.
Post by: UERD on September 05, 2007, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2007, 11:31:35 AM
Post by: UERD on September 05, 2007, 11:53:38 AM
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I found myself rolling my eyes at what I was seeing on the screen -- I'm talking about tearing, square waves, a chugging framerate and water effects that look like sand.
I don't get it. Isn't the point of buying a super-powerful console so that you don't have to deal with all the performance bullcrap that goes along with PC gaming?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2007, 12:16:20 PM
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I found myself rolling my eyes at what I was seeing on the screen -- I'm talking about tearing, square waves, a chugging framerate and water effects that look like sand.
I don't get it. Isn't the point of buying a super-powerful console so that you don't have to deal with all the performance bullcrap that goes along with PC gaming?
Ugh, I hate poor framerates, personally I think there is no excuse for it. Tone down the visuals a bit because they are nothing without a solid framerate to suck you in.
Post by: MaryJane on September 05, 2007, 02:03:09 PM
About 7 being a bad score; I would be pissed as hell if Super Mario Galaxy or MP:3 got a 7 in their reviews because they are suppoed to be so much more than that, much like Heavenly Sword was supposed to be.
Lair, Heavenly Sword, Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are as the title of this thread suggest; "Killer Apps" they aren't supposed to get 7's they're supposed to push close to 10's. They're supposed to be games everyone who has a system will think about buying, and people who don't have the system consider buying one just to play that game. The Nintendo titles listed have so far accomplished that. The Sony ones have not, Heavenly Sword will only appeal to a certain gamer, and Lair will appeal to no one except perhaps people who... insert your own witty comment I cant' think of one
They should be so much more.
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2007, 02:42:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 05, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
The killer apps are identified AFTER the game is out, and people have voted with $$$. "killer app" is just marketing speak made up to differentiate and put down the GameCube when it was apparent it was going downhill.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 05, 2007, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2007, 09:04:07 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2007, 09:06:20 PM
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Sony fanboys seem to take every announced exclusive and claim it's a "killer app". IMO that's grasping at straws.
We should know. We're Nintendo fans.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2007, 09:07:27 PM
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Sony fanboys seem to take every announced exclusive and claim it's a "killer app". IMO that's grasping at straws.
We should know. We're Nintendo fans.
The only difference is that Nintendo's killer apps, actually turn out good.
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
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Sony fanboys seem to take every announced exclusive and claim it's a "killer app". IMO that's grasping at straws.
We should know. We're Nintendo fans.
The only difference is that Nintendo's killer apps, actually turn out good.
Doesn't matter. They can't be killer apps because Nintendo doesn't ever really kill anything. Not enough violence, not enough sex, not enough bloom. Can't be a killer app without those key ingredients.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2007, 10:11:29 PM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Sony fanboys seem to take every announced exclusive and claim it's a "killer app". IMO that's grasping at straws.
We should know. We're Nintendo fans.
The only difference is that Nintendo's killer apps, actually turn out good.
Doesn't matter. They can't be killer apps because Nintendo doesn't ever really kill anything. Not enough violence, not enough sex, not enough bloom. Can't be a killer app without those key ingredients.
So Wii sports didn't kill anything?
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2007, 10:16:48 PM
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