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Title: Ubi Soft teaches girls how to be women.
Post by: Mashiro on August 07, 2007, 07:26:14 PM: and the winner for most sexist game of the year? nay-the decade? UBI SOFT!

Kotaku: Ubisoft Puts Women In Their Place

Honestly what girl would buy these games?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2007, 07:47:56 PM: Ubisoft has always led the way in third party innovations on Nintendo hardware. Maybe this is going a bit too far, but time will tell.
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Post by: Kairon on August 07, 2007, 07:50:27 PM: OMG.

I thought it would be a Japanese game. But it isn't!

OMG!
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Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 07, 2007, 10:25:11 PM: Yeah, saw this earlier. My first reaction was to laugh considerably. . . and then the more I thought about it I just got annoyed and incredulous.

This is AMAZING! I mean is this really going to go allowed to go through!?

Babies, fashion and cooking. Wow.
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Post by: Kairon on August 07, 2007, 10:30:54 PM: In the interest of full disclosure, that link mentions a figure skating game in the future. THAT game I'll get.
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Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 07, 2007, 10:44:12 PM: To: christophe.grandjean@ubisoft.com / jaime.borasi@ubisoft.com

Subject: Re: Imagine series/sarcasm

Hi, I thought I would get in touch with you in regards to Ubisoft's upcoming Imagine series for the Nintendo DS. I'm sure you are busy so I'll get to the point. I'm very pleased to see Ubisoft making an effort to put women in their place. Making and caring for babies, doing their best to keep up their physical appearance and cooking meals for us men is exactly what women should be doing and I'm glad to see Ubisoft reinforcing these fundamentals while they are young. It's thanks to initiatives like this that the impressionable young women of today will one day be the loyal, sexily-clothed, meal-preparing, baby factories of tomorrow.

(also I like it when they figure-skate)

Thank you and I look forward to Imagine: Getting Out of the Way and Shutting Up Because your Husband is Very Busy.
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Post by: Mario on August 08, 2007, 12:10:36 AM: WTF are you guys talking about? What women aren't interested in babies, cooking and fashion? Get off your god damn high horses.
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 08, 2007, 12:24:20 AM: These games are stereotypical, but they don't seem any more sexist than dolls or toy ovens to me.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 08, 2007, 05:47:44 AM: It's sexist because there's no equivalent for males, dammit! Where's my game to teach me how to fix a car, barbeque, and dispose of spiders that make their way into the house? Oh yes and there needs to be a noise checker game. Checking out weird noises in the house is a very defined men's duty.

I agree with Smoke39 in that these are more stereotypical than offensive (it's not like cooking and raising children are some horrible demeaning jobs). I'm more offended that anyone thinks these games will sell.

The fashion one might sell though. You hear all this stuff about women's lib and yet every weekend the mall is packed with females buying clothes. Fashion isn't just some male opposed prison or anything like that. Girls like clothes and shoes and stuff like that. Who looks at a women's feet? I never do yet every girl I've ever dated owns like 50 pairs of shoes while I own like five, and that's including work boots. If fashion is just because of a woman's "job" to be pretty for guys they're being very inefficient about it.

These games just represent the struggle of making videogames for females. You kind of have to go with stereotypes. Male oriented games follow stereotypes, too. They're all sports or racing or some form of violence. It's just that virtually no men react negatively to male stereotypes so no one thinks twice when something comes out that follows those stereotypes. The second you think "I'm going to make a game for this demographic" you immediately have to generalize. That's probably why the best "girl games" are stuff like The Sims or Centipede where they just made a game and women happened to like it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2007, 06:26:11 AM: Ian Sane: Those games exist...they are just slightly fictionalized.

How to Games for Guys.

Call of Duty, Manhunt, all first person shooters: How to Kill People
Race/Fix Cars: Need for Speed, Nascar, all race cars.
How to succeed in Business: SimCity, Railroad Tycoon, ect

How to have a success relationship: The Sims, and Imagine games for Women.
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Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 08, 2007, 08:31:02 AM: I will say that I'd barely notice any one of these games if not for their combined power. And yes, there isn't anything explicitly sexist about the concept. Undoubtedly we're looking at stereotypical gender roles but not necessarily negative ones. I just think anytime you're generalizing the interests of half the world it seems a bit obscene and unfortunately, the three topics highlighted can come across as male-pleasing-centric. It's very easy to imagine (even if it's not very likely) it being mishandled and made extraordinarily sexist.
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Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2007, 11:31:44 AM: Spak-Spang has taught me I can fix my car by clicking a button. Seriously though. I put these games in the educational category. Their are plenty of books and videos about the same subject and they are not sexist. I'm wondering what rating the making babies one will get. That is an adult subject here in the states I think it will get an M here. Which is sort of funny but appropriate.
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Post by: UERD on August 08, 2007, 01:09:35 PM: It's funny and kind of stereotypical, but as Ceric said,

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Their are plenty of books and videos about the same subject and they are not sexist.

Unfortunately, it is a biological fact of life that females are more suitable for producing babies than males. So I don't think it's yet time for angry radical feminists to march on Ubisoft's headquarters, flaming bras in hand.
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Post by: vudu on August 08, 2007, 02:02:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: Mashiro
and the winner for most sexist game of the year? nay-the decade? UBI SOFT!
Well, so what? What's wrong with bein' sexy?
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Post by: Mashiro on August 08, 2007, 02:03:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: vudu
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
and the winner for most sexist game of the year? nay-the decade? UBI SOFT!
Well, so what? What's wrong with bein' sexy?

Absolutely nothing =D
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Post by: Kairon on August 08, 2007, 02:23:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: UERD
Unfortunately, it is a biological fact of life that females are more suitable for producing babies than males.

NATURE IS SEXIST!!!

... no, really guys. I'll actually buy a decent figure skating game. Especially if it's a Ouendan-like clone-y thing.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 09, 2007, 01:23:25 AM: Haha, Kotaku's source is my post in the NeoGAF box art thread. I've just given Ubisoft free advertising.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 09, 2007, 04:52:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Haha, Kotaku's source is my post in the NeoGAF box art thread. I've just given Ubisoft free advertising.

And your avatar is perfect for the post.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 09, 2007, 05:04:18 AM: Funny how it's mostly men posting in this thread and getting all up in arms...obviously so we aren't called sexist for not responding in outrage.

With that said:
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's sexist because there's no equivalent for males, dammit! Where's my game to teach me how to fix a car, barbeque, and dispose of spiders that make their way into the house? Oh yes and there needs to be a noise checker game. Checking out weird noises in the house is a very defined men's duty.

Best....quote...ever. At least by Ian.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 09, 2007, 06:15:34 AM: Hey, how come our token female cast member hasn't weighed in on this yet?

...Seriously 18days, what do you think?
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Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2007, 06:18:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's sexist because there's no equivalent for males, dammit! Where's my game to teach me how to fix a car, barbeque, and dispose of spiders that make their way into the house?

Clearly Escape From Bug Island was ahead of its time...
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 09, 2007, 07:38:16 AM: I'm pretty sure killing bugs is one of the oldest of video game genres. In fact, I played a whole lot of a game specifically about killing spiders back on the Atari 2600!
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 09, 2007, 12:47:16 PM: BUGS?!
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 10, 2007, 03:20:05 AM: Why Happy Cooking? The Enraged Cooking genre needs equal time!!
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 12, 2007, 02:51:59 AM: I'm sure I read about a japanese game that allows the woman to select the kind of girl she wants to become and trains her towards that.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 15, 2007, 07:25:22 PM: Hahaha, first screens have been released of Imagine Happy Cooking. IS THAT A YOUNGER COOKING MAMA?

Even the graphics look the same!
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Post by: Ghisy on August 15, 2007, 08:31:36 PM: Oh my, I'll never understand these cooking games...
Just fyi, the first pic says "take the knife and chop!" et the second "Then, add the onions".
Wow, exciting...not!
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 16, 2007, 05:08:26 AM: A cooking game would irritate me like a cooking show. Let's prepare food that you can't eat! YEAH! I consider the preparing of food to be the big pain in the ass work before the enjoyable experience of eating. It also seems like an experience that most people that are interested in it would probably rather do in real life where they, again, can eat the food they make. I like cycling but a cycling videogame (unless it was like extreme fantasy space cycling or something) wouldn't provide me the part of the experience I enjoy. And if it isn't raining I can just get on my bike and go. Like cooking it isn't some obscure expensive hobby that you can't do all the time. Something like videogame skiing or bowling makes sense because the real activities aren't something you can do out of your home any old time.
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Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2007, 06:12:39 AM: Dude, Iron Chef... so great as a show, now if only it were a Wii game done well...

Oh, and with regards to Happy Cooking...

Asian? French? Is this a friend of Mama's from Vietnam?
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 16, 2007, 01:27:08 PM: My favorite part of Cooking Mama was learning how to 'cook' a cup of instant noodles.
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Post by: stevey on August 17, 2007, 07:06:18 AM: Quote
and the winner for most sexist game of the year? nay-the decade? UBI SOFT!

I shocked no one bought up this thread,
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 17, 2007, 07:15:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by: stevey
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and the winner for most sexist game of the year? nay-the decade? UBI SOFT!

I shocked no one bought up this thread,

That game still creeps me out...
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Post by: UERD on August 17, 2007, 09:14:23 AM: That thread really creeps me out...
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Post by: Khushrenada on August 17, 2007, 06:00:14 PM: Yeah. That thread is like NWR's dirty little secret. We keeping thinking it's been buried and forgotten and then someone digs it up again.

Poor Shawnster. I wonder what he's up to now?
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Post by: Terranigma Freak on August 21, 2007, 01:16:20 AM: They might as well make a sex sim on the DS and Wii.
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Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 02:38:43 PM: Ubisoft has some new boxart for their Imagine series.

Only Babyz is spelled with a Z.
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Post by: Mashiro on September 02, 2007, 03:00:01 PM: Lol Babyz.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 02, 2007, 06:33:09 PM: It's weird how the box art is sort of giving the illusion that they're fancy pants serious business LEARNING O-RAMA TOOLS. But then you look at the screenshots for all of them and Ubisoft's simply scrapped up some failed obscure Japanese mini-game collections with UNICORNS and DANCING EGGS. IN THE BABYZ'..IES..? WHAT? IN THE FACE.

Wait no they don't have that. Babyz does have the ability to dress your baby..z up as a cowboy and play some DDR though.