Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 05:24:01 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 05:35:57 AM
It's a Sega game.
Take what you will from that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 24, 2007, 05:36:45 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 24, 2007, 05:40:20 AM
Granted, I've had low hopes for this all along...overhead RPG shooter thingies just aren't my cup of tea, so I'm being quite pessimistic.
Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 05:40:50 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 05:43:22 AM
I'd pick from either Shenmue, Jet Set(Grind) Radio, or Skies of Arcadia. =)
::tears:: DC you were the best.
Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 05:47:54 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 24, 2007, 05:53:20 AM
Maybe it was just me, but I thought this game looked like crap anyway.
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 05:54:13 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 24, 2007, 05:59:41 AM
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Jet Grind Radio 2 needs to come out on Wii . . . the tagging system is a perfect match for motion gestures.
I'd buy it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 24, 2007, 06:00:14 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 06:05:07 AM
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Jet Grind Radio 2 needs to come out on Wii . . . the tagging system is a perfect match for motion gestures.
I'd buy it.
Good man Mr. Jack, good man!
Seriously Sega makes no sense sometimes. I think they stopped being really creative after DC died and they released some stuff on Xbox to mediocre results. (Psssttt Sega, that creativeness you had, it'll be great on Wii!)
Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 06:14:08 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 06:46:54 AM
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Never cared much for Jet Grind Radio.
O.O
blasphemy!
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wth does pre release even mean
It means just that . . . pre release. before release. A copy of a game which isn't released to the general public.
Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 07:01:10 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 24, 2007, 07:02:03 AM
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ahhhh crap, if i call my local gamestop and they have it, ill be thee first sucker to buy it, ill let you know what happens...
Good luck, I have a bad feeling about the game though.
Post by: therat on July 24, 2007, 07:15:34 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 24, 2007, 12:27:56 PM
This game is being developed by Totally Games, who I have a particularly warm place in my heart for because these are the guys who developed the original X-Wing series waaay back in like, 91 or 92. I loved those games... absolutely loved them, so I guess nostalgia is making me give these guys a chance, despite them being published by Sega. Also, I had loads of fun with Gauntlet Legends, so any Gauntlet-esque 4 player co-op multiplayer thingie is good with me.
... And I'd be willing to give a lot of Sega's franchises second chances if they came out on the Wii. Panzer Dragoon I've never played before, for example, nor Shenmue.
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 12:33:15 PM
Shenmue was really an interesting experience though I'm not sure how much water it holds today. I was mainly taken back by (at the time) it's astonishing level of detail (both graphically and atmospherically). It has a really beautiful soundtrack though and still has (IMHO) some of the best voice work ever heard in a game. It was really something to feel like you really were in this community, the areas in the game really felt alive and well real. It was heavily grounded in reality (in a lot of ways, except maybe towards the end when you fight like 100 guys, no exaggeration there. All in all it was a very interesting experiment for a game, to have something so heavily grounded in the realm of realism.
That and it had arcade perfect Space Harrier . . . as I said before <3.
Post by: King of Twitch on July 24, 2007, 01:07:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 24, 2007, 01:10:34 PM
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JGR would fit the Wii well, so look for a 360-exclusive announcement.
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 01:16:30 PM
I mean come on, did they REALLY think Shenmue 2, JSR:Future and Panzer Dragoon Orta would sell extremely well on the Xbox?
Edit: And Shenmue 2 NEVER coming out on DC in the US was a freaking slap in the face.
Post by: Louieturkey on July 24, 2007, 01:39:11 PM
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Yeah Sega REALLY screwed up with those Xbox exclusive games.
I mean come on, did they REALLY think Shenmue 2, JSR:Future and Panzer Dragoon Orta would sell extremely well on the Xbox?
Edit: And Shenmue 2 NEVER coming out on DC in the US was a freaking slap in the face.
Heh, I had Shenmue 2 for a couple days where I got it for free with this amazing coupon with Target. The funny thing was, the receipt never said the $50 off was for Shenmue 2. So 2 days later, I returned it and got $50 and bought RE0. RE0 was amazing for the price I paid.
Post by: Caliban on July 24, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
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Post by: Nemo on July 25, 2007, 03:50:25 PM
ign says "skip it"
Post by: Kairon on July 25, 2007, 04:12:59 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 25, 2007, 07:58:40 PM
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But IGN's only major complaint is the graphics, and some early on melee weirdness that is meant to be fixed by the game's rpg system. And re-using some models for bosses.
I think someone is in denial.
Post by: Kairon on July 25, 2007, 10:26:01 PM
Post by: therat on July 26, 2007, 01:53:33 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on July 26, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
Dude, it's Sega, I hope you weren't expecting a masterpiece. Keep your expectations low and you might not be disappointed. Then again, sometimes Sega can't even match your lowest expectations.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 08:14:36 AM
Besides, Sega only published this. This game is made by the guys who made the original X-Wing games back in the easrly 90's... totally games. They specifically chose this project because they were fans and have put in an extensive RPG skill system and 4 player co-op. They've even got some wiimote minigames to unlock sealed chests or to add extra stat points to yourself.
I don't know about you guys, but this game is far from low quality... except for the PSP graphics.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 26, 2007, 08:44:51 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 09:18:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 09:33:10 AM
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Exactly, most people can't get past the PSP caliber graphics. Actually, even then it's not something everyone will like, but I sure as hell do. This is a great 3rd party effort with the controls, but they lost a lot of sales and review points by not really improving the graphics. But if you can look past the graphics (and in a game like this if you're looking at the graphics and not focused on the action for more than half a second you won't last long) you'll find a game style that's been done before, only with the best targeting controls you could hope for.
You are right, the visuals aren't that important, what is important though is that it shows a high amount of laziness from developer when the Wii version doesn't look much if any better then a handheld game system. Support for lazy ports is not helping Wii at all.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 26, 2007, 09:33:36 AM
The way I see it, PSP ports are better than nothing at all. I have two games that also showed up on the PSP, this and Heatseeker, and I enjoyed them both. As long as they improve the gameplay, which they did in both instances with very cool controls, and it's good, I buy it.
The developers (read: publishers) won't take poor sales as signs the game wasn't good, they'll take them as signs the Wii userbase doesn't want games like this and go back to making safe minigame collections. On the other side of that, if it does moderately well it may encourage them to put more effort and resources into their next Wii project.
I'm not saying rush out and buy every PSP port, but you shouldn't automatically dismiss a game because of that either. Nintendo has the attention of all the third parties right now, it would be best to try and retain that attention. This is a solid effort in everything but graphics. If it does at least moderately well we may keep the publisher's interest long enough to get another game, hopefully designed from the ground up on the Wii.
We haven't really seen anything like that yet, everything so far has been ported from something or another at some stage of development or been merely a minigame collection (which have their place too, I have and enjoy Rayman and WarioWare, but I don't want every other game on the console to be minigames). Mario Strikers was most likely Wii the whole way through, and it looks significantly better (graphics wise) than anything before it. Then Metroid comes next month. A game that proves the Wii can do a great action game, that it can do something epic, and shows that the machine is hardly a "GameCube 1.5" in terms of graphics.
If we can talk a publisher into letting a developer do a fullblown Wii exclusive, which shouldn't be too hard when you show them the sales figures, we'll see what they can do. If a publisher waited til the Wii was a bona fide hit and then started development on a real huge game it will be at least a year before we see it. This year we've got the (hugely great) showing from Nintendo and a few third parties who realized what Nintendo had on their hands soon enough. People have said Nintendo doesn't have much themselves next year, using all their aces this year. The strategy will work because by next fall we'll start to see what real third-party games that started life on the Wii can look like and play like; Nintendo won't be as needed because the third parties will start to shine.
Sorry about the rant, I just think that Nintendo has been hurting in the third-party area since the SNES, and we've finally got them back. Don't screw it up.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 09:36:46 AM
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It's a gauntlet game with guns (and melee weapons). What's NOT to love?!?!?!
Besides, Sega only published this. This game is made by the guys who made the original X-Wing games back in the easrly 90's... totally games. They specifically chose this project because they were fans and have put in an extensive RPG skill system and 4 player co-op. They've even got some wiimote minigames to unlock sealed chests or to add extra stat points to yourself.
I don't know about you guys, but this game is far from low quality... except for the PSP graphics.
Sega is just as much responsible for the games quality as the developer, especially since they published the title. It is like Nintendo when they publish a game from a 3rd party developer, Nintendo is still responsible for the final product. From what I've read Alien Syndrome comes accross as an uninspired action game with RPG skill upgrades thrown in, with lazy choices such as reusing boss designs (I don't care what game it is, but when you reuse a boss design and change its color or something that is NOT quality in my eyes).
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 09:37:22 AM
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Sorry about the rant, I just think that Nintendo has been hurting in the third-party area since the SNES, and we've finally got them back. Don't screw it up.
News Flash . . .
WHEN THIRD PARTY DEVELOPERS MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH PURCHASING THEN THEY WILL GET MY DOLLARS.
Seriously I don't understand people who think it's OUR responsibility to purchase proverbial garbage just so "oh maybe the developers will finally give us something worth while!". Screw that. Let them PROVE to me that they deserve my dollars and I'll buy their games.
It's shouldn't be the other way around where we have to prove to them to make worthwhile games.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 26, 2007, 10:00:46 AM
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If anything, supporting a PSP game on Wii will show developers that Wii fans are desperate enough to buy any crap the developer wants to throw at us.
It could go either way. And like I said, I'm not suggesting we buy garbage. Alien Syndrome is not garbage. It may not look very good, but it plays well. It's not a crappy port, it's a very enhanced port, just not in the graphics department.
The whole supporting third parties thing wasn't all about this game. It was about supporting third-party development on the Wii period. If you don't want to buy this game, that's fine, but try to support third parties in some way. It's the way I think and rant, something spirals into something much bigger and I don't give much of an indication that it's moved beyond the original topic. I'll work harder to prevent that in the future.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 26, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
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It's shouldn't be the other way around where we have to prove to them to make worthwhile games.
It shouldn't be that way, no, but you have to realize that it is that way to a certain point. It's not the best way, but it is how it works. It's a bit of both. You keep calling this a lazy port; the only way it's lazy is the graphics, which is one of the hardest, most expensive, and most time consuming things to improve. Would it be nice if it looked better? Sure, of course it would. Would it make the game any more enjoyable for me? Not really, as I said you can't really pay too much attention to the graphics anyway. It's a solid game, and I don't in any way regret the purchase.
This is nearly completely unrelated, but my mind keeps going to Francis in Super Paper Mario, as I'm arguing passionately on a message board about a game I haven't played that much. We've been doing quite a bit of work on some home renovation projects and I've only been able to get a few hours in with the game. From what I've played however, I love it.
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 10:52:25 AM
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Sega is just as much responsible for the games quality as the developer, especially since they published the title. It is like Nintendo when they publish a game from a 3rd party developer, Nintendo is still responsible for the final product. From what I've read Alien Syndrome comes accross as an uninspired action game with RPG skill upgrades thrown in, with lazy choices such as reusing boss designs (I don't care what game it is, but when you reuse a boss design and change its color or something that is NOT quality in my eyes)
GP said it, NSMB is not quality. Wait they didn't even bother to change the color.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 26, 2007, 11:10:46 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 11:26:12 AM
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Sega is just as much responsible for the games quality as the developer, especially since they published the title. It is like Nintendo when they publish a game from a 3rd party developer, Nintendo is still responsible for the final product. From what I've read Alien Syndrome comes accross as an uninspired action game with RPG skill upgrades thrown in, with lazy choices such as reusing boss designs (I don't care what game it is, but when you reuse a boss design and change its color or something that is NOT quality in my eyes)
GP said it, NSMB is not quality. Wait they didn't even bother to change the color.
The only boss they reused in NSMB is baby bowser, which was a homage to Boomer. From the sounds of it these are main bosses in Alien Syndrome (BTW I am not that positive about NSMB either).
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 12:15:16 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
From what I've read Alien Syndrome comes accross as an uninspired action game with RPG skill upgrades thrown in, with lazy choices such as reusing boss designs (I don't care what game it is, but when you reuse a boss design and change its color or something that is NOT quality in my eyes).
Well, from what I've played, the game is more engaging than Phantasy Star Online, an easy successor to the legacy of Gauntlet style gameplay, has smooth gameplay systems that preserve the fluidity of gameplay (simple, transparent, accessible statistics system and a "store" where you can easily scrap items and purchase new ones through the pause menu(a.k.a. your drone)), and so far seems to have some actual dedication and effort put into it (after all, it's a franchise that Totally Games SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR) that make it FAR FROM the game you insinuate it to be.
Seriously, only diehard fans would pick out an obscure arcade to-down dungeon shooter specifically when Sega asked this small developer WHAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE. This game design was NOT handed down, it was NOT farmed out. They could've picked any old franchise. They chose this, told Sega, then set to work updating a design that THEY chose.
Plus it has 4-player co-op.
Look, I'm not saying the game is for everyone. But if you've played any of the following games:
Smash T.V.
PSO
FF:CC
Gauntlet Series
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Alien Syndrome (original)
Robotron Series
Then this game deserves a look, because it has the potential to be better than any and all of those games. (Perhaps with the exception of the astoundingly fun and accessible Gauntlet 64)
Look, I understand the ever-pressing need to bow to the omni-present will of IGN's review scores. I get it. Other people say it's bad, so it MUST BE! And this is the internet after all! Super Paper Mario DOES NOT LIE!
But... well... in the event you care to TRY a game before you lambast not only it and the people who've spent their life's energy making it... *shrug* no promises, good or bad, one way or the other, right or wrong, the outcome is completely up to your experiences alone.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 12:18:19 PM
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From what I've read Alien Syndrome comes accross as an uninspired action game with RPG skill upgrades thrown in, with lazy choices such as reusing boss designs (I don't care what game it is, but when you reuse a boss design and change its color or something that is NOT quality in my eyes).
Well, from what I've played, the game is more engaging than Phantasy Star Online, an easy successor to the legacy of Gauntlet style gameplay, has smooth gameplay systems that preserve the fluidity of gameplay (simple, transparent, accessible statistics system and a "store" where you can easily scrap items and purchase new ones through the pause menu(a.k.a. your drone)), and so far seems to have some actual dedication and effort put into it (after all, it's a franchise that Totally Games SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR) that make it FAR FROM the game you insinuate it to be.
Seriously, only diehard fans would pick out an obscure arcade to-down dungeon shooter specifically when Sega asked this small developer WHAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE. This game design was NOT handed down, it was NOT farmed out. They could've picked any old franchise. They chose this, told Sega, then set to work updating a design that THEY chose.
Plus it has 4-player co-op.
Look, I'm not saying the game is for everyone. But if you've played any of the following games:
Smash T.V.
PSO
FF:CC
Gauntlet Series
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Alien Syndrome (original)
Robotron Series
Then this game deserves a look, because it has the potential to be better than any and all of those games. (Perhaps with the exception of the astoundingly fun and accessible Gauntlet 64)
Look, I understand the ever-pressing need to bow to the omni-present will of IGN's review scores. I get it. Other people say it's bad, so it MUST BE! And this is the internet after all! Super Paper Mario DOES NOT LIE!
But... well... in the event you care to TRY a game before you lambast not only it and the people who've spent their life's energy making it... *shrug* no promises, good or bad, one way or the other, right or wrong, the outcome is completely up to your experiences alone.
Confirmed, Alien Syndrome game of the year.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 12:19:44 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2007, 12:21:24 PM
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No. That'll be MySims. Just watch.
Here is a tough question, which is more fun Far Cry or Alien Syndrome?
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 12:34:18 PM
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But... well... in the event you care to TRY a game before you lambast not only it and the people who've spent their life's energy making it... *shrug* no promises, good or bad, one way or the other, right or wrong, the outcome is completely up to your experiences alone.
You know, I heard RAVE reviews about Paper Mario and I freaking hate the game. So what you say is true, it's the players experience that matters.
I go with my gut feeling on games and 99% of the time I am right. Usually whenever people sway me to play a game I'm not interested in it turns out to be a bad experience so I just forgo it.
My gut feeling says this game wont be all that great so I'm going with that =P
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
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No. That'll be MySims. Just watch.
Here is a tough question, which is more fun Far Cry or Alien Syndrome?
I haven't had the chance to play multiplayer AS yet, so I'll have to defer until I get the "full" experience.
... but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say AS. Co-op is sooo powerful, it made me level a 42 Fomar in PSO despite growing to hate that game design with a passion.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 12:54:22 PM
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But... well... in the event you care to TRY a game before you lambast not only it and the people who've spent their life's energy making it... *shrug* no promises, good or bad, one way or the other, right or wrong, the outcome is completely up to your experiences alone.
You know, I heard RAVE reviews about Paper Mario and I freaking hate the game. So what you say is true, it's the players experience that matters.
I go with my gut feeling on games and 99% of the time I am right. Usually whenever people sway me to play a game I'm not interested in it turns out to be a bad experience so I just forgo it.
My gut feeling says this game wont be all that great so I'm going with that =P
Haha, I guess that helps put me in your shoes, and therefore I'm not going to flame you like I was going to in the VC thread. Darn empathy! It takes the fun out of things!
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Post by: Pale on July 26, 2007, 03:36:22 PM
Here's a challenge for you. I want you to list your three least favorite games released on a Nintendo console over the last three years.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 04:15:07 PM
But anyways... Your request is a toughie. People usually do their best to forget their bad games... How about 3 least favorite Wii games, trying to look at it both from a personal subjective standpoint and a more general objective styandpoint?
Least favorite Wii games I've played, subjectively:
Tony Hawk Downhill Jam (Maybe I just don't 'get' Tony Hawk games)
Tom Clancy: Splinter Cell (played this co-op with a friend... really didn't enjoy the controls and the co-op's story and game design didn't excite me much either, is single player any better? I really don't care to find out)
Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (sp?) (Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the wii controls were gimiicky and added little or nothing to the experience. Doesn't help I'm not a big DBZ fan...)
(Red Steel is also working its way onto this list because of boring level design and some horrifically poorly stereotyped depictions (and voice acting... oh god the voice acting) of asians in the game, as well as an art style that depicts the Japanese in a way makes me want to rip my tv in two everytime one of the cutscenes comes out. I discovered these complaints on my second attempt at a playthrough).
Worst Wii games I've played, trying to be objective:
Cooking Mama (Sorry, but this game really IS low budget in the worst way. I never figured out a use for the kitchen, the controls are wonky for some movements, and Cooking is broken down into graded tasks that destroy any fluidity the experience had, especially in multiplayer)
Rayman Raving Rabbids (I love the concept, but a whole lot of the minigames are simple affairs "banging on a rabbid's head with a wiimote holds your attention for 4 seconds... and ONLY the first time you play it, not to mention that the game had WAAAAYYYY too many menus in party mode, with each minigame being hard to find when you wanted it, with about 3-5 menu interfaces to navigate through between each play.)
Tony Hawk Downhill Jam (This had decent production values and neat voice acting but... well, lackluster everything else. Playing it four player was especially atrocious because you couldn't make anything out... pure mediocrity is sometimes harder to forgive than utter failure)
(Harry Potter is actually also a very mediocre title... but it actually has some redeeming qualities)
I guess I could do more, but do you really want me to dig out my Gamecube library?
Post by: Arbok on July 26, 2007, 05:40:47 PM
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... just like I paid $40 for RE4 on the GC and ended up not liking that either ...
I stopped reading there.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:28:42 PM
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Rayman Raving Rabbids (I love the concept, but a whole lot of the minigames are simple affairs "banging on a rabbid's head with a wiimote holds your attention for 4 seconds... and ONLY the first time you play it, not to mention that the game had WAAAAYYYY too many menus in party mode, with each minigame being hard to find when you wanted it, with about 3-5 menu interfaces to navigate through between each play.)
Rayman was another game that made me yet again hate myself for giving into the positive reviews of a game. I freaking hated Rayman an didn't see what the big deal was. Another 50 dollars wasted (well at least I was able to trade it in towards my RE4 purchase).
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 08:49:50 PM
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I freaking hated Rayman an didn't see what the big deal was. Another 50 dollars wasted (well at least I was able to trade it in towards my RE4 purchase).
Some say that god's work is to transmute evil into good.
Anyways, one of the most positive things I've heard about the sequel is that they want to have two menus between ANYTHING in the game, vastly streamlining the process of finding a minigame to play hopefully, or moving through story mode.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:56:07 PM
One of my BIGGEST pet peeves with these kinda games (see: Wario Ware and Rayman) is that I have to either beat the stage in single player to unlock it in multiplayer or in wario wares case I had to beat the entire game through to even access multiplayer.
Come on, think of those of us whom buy the game and want to play it with friends right away and just have fun.
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Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 09:06:27 PM
You are... yes... hazzzy... you're getting up... you're leaving the house...you're going to buy ALIEN SYNDROME! *gasp*
Ah, but seriously, gotta put in another plug for this game. So last night I played three hours right? Silly me, I was so tired I forgot to save. So today, I replay all those three hours... and I LIKED it. If only I can get some people to co-op with me (why must my bro be so far away?) I just KNOW this game would make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 09:14:33 PM
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You are... yes... hazzzy... you're getting up... you're answering a door...you're signing for a package... *gasp* it's the Golden Sun games you won on ebay!
Fixed =D
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 27, 2007, 08:22:49 AM
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Blame the controls! I'm buying the Wii version, happy?
Ey you, learn to play video games. I got my friend's wife addicted to RE4 on Cube, and she had never played an RE game or an FPS for that matter. She's earned eveything there is to earn in that game. [as well as Tales of Symphonia, her first RPG excluding Symphony of the Night]
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 08:39:43 AM
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Blame the controls! I'm buying the Wii version, happy?
Ey you, learn to play video games. I got my friend's wife addicted to RE4 on Cube, and she had never played an RE game or an FPS for that matter. She's earned eveything there is to earn in that game. [as well as Tales of Symphonia, her first RPG excluding Symphony of the Night]
I haven't played Monkey Ball for Wii.
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 08:39:55 AM
Besides, I'm a Nintendo gamer. I've been spoiled by Nintendo controls all my life.
Post by: therat on July 27, 2007, 10:21:59 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on July 27, 2007, 10:30:47 AM
And if I felt like spending the cash, I'd own about a hundred VC games, too. I've already spent about $120 there, too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
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You know, I agree with Kairon a lot more than most of you do. I think I might pick this one up if I hear that one of my friends will be playing. I love the whole multiplayer thing he talks about the possibility of.
And if I felt like spending the cash, I'd own about a hundred VC games, too. I've already spent about $120 there, too.
So you've picked up Far Cry for Wii?
Post by: therat on July 27, 2007, 11:52:43 AM
the inventory is alil bit of a pain to keep track of. you are either overlaoded and cant pick up new items, or you dont know what you can scrap or what is better for you (it seems, maybe im missing something).
theres a bunch to shoot, the checkpoints are easy, so if you die you can start over , not alot of loading.
main issue for me is ..CAMERA! its directly overhead, id like alil more control over where the cam would be. i only played it single player so far, i can only imagine the multiplayer gets more fun.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 02:39:39 PM
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I'll probably get it. I agree with GS less and less as time goes by. They're pretty crooked sometimes. Sega probably didn't have high enough quality whores for them this time around.
IGN now Gamespot, that is not looking pretty. I knew there was trouble when Sega held onto the game and didn't let reviewers get ahold of it in time to write reviews.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 27, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
You keep letting the man tell you which games to play. I'll keep enjoying my video games, thank you.
Aka....let me live in denial.
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 02:49:41 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Aka....let me live in denial.
It's the 51st state!
Post by: that Baby guy on July 27, 2007, 03:02:36 PM
Post by: therat on July 27, 2007, 06:40:04 PM
there was a part with a hole in the floor, like a tunnel, and i was like ooooh, look down there, my firned said, lemme push u like senator palaptine and i just dove in, pretty funny sound effect, it was unexpected, didnt think it would let u fall in holes to doom. um, the upgrade system is pretty cool.
basically its decent fun mind numbing action. id say if you like gauntlet or such, this isnt terrible at all by any means. it just has a bunch of little quirky things in it that make you say "why...?" but the whys are just little things that waste time in between mindless slaughtering of hordes of aliens.... hell, my final review score is 7.2 =o)
BTW, screw big reviewers, just cause sega didnt pay them off doesnt make their game any worse (granted, it isnt perfect by a long shot). it is much better then that hunter game, ill tell you that for suree.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 27, 2007, 07:31:45 PM
This game is a lot like that, in a really good way. There are a few annoying points, like the fact that I have to keep investing my level-up points into Strength to increase my carrying capabilities, and that the in-game directions for the stat-increasing and treasure chest-opening minigames are a bit cconfusing. The camera is annoying in how it's a bit too stiff and hard to remember the right way to do it in the heat of combat, but it would be a lot worse if it were looser and you could easily make it change accidentally, so that's at least something in it's favor.
I would give it a 7, which could increase a bit as I get more used to some of the quirky things.
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 08:29:20 PM
Oh yeah, I found that hole therat. Bah. I really didn't like it. I walked right in going "I wonder if you can fall down holes..." and guess what? I fell. I wonder if there are any other holes in the game, or if the programmers just put those few holes in for lame attempts at level hazard variety.
Still haven't played this multiplayer. My roommate is too busy finishing harry potter.
Hey guys, what classes are you? I'm a Seal, but I guess what you start doesn't make a difference since I'm pouring a TON of points into both endurance (for life) and accuracy (for critical hit % and bonus damage). I'm using the laser rifle, but I was able to make myself a MkII rifle, which was a GREAT improvement. The Mk I does 1-2 dmg, the Mk II does 1-15. Thank god, now my critical hits will actually do some SERIOUS damage. Also, I've got armor and items with energy regen bonuses, so much so that I can almost never run out of shots for my laser rifle now!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 08:55:23 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 09:06:48 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
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I can't imagine playing this on the PSP though, each stage takes like, an hour to beat. Checkpoints can be 10-30 minutes in-between. How in the world is that portable, and what does that do to one's battery life?!?!?!?!
Probably a lot less than what it does to your brain when mixed with Far Cry.
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 09:15:29 PM
:P
Seriously though, How IGN can rate the PSP higher is beyond me. You get 4-player out of the box with the Wii, whereas the PSP requires everyone have their own ($40) disc. Plus this game's ginormous levels seem very ill-suited for the PSP's low battery life, and portable nature. The Wii version even seems to have more sensible controls, especially after reading this:
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The gunplay in Alien Syndrome PSP is also a bit different from the Wii's IR usage (obviously), requiring you to make use of a strafe button while using only "fire where you walk" controls. This makes the game less like a Smash TV, and more like classic shooters like Commando or Ikari Warriors. It makes circle-strafing a bit more difficult, and the controls aren't quite as fluid, but the strange "slow down while turning" issue that was in the Wii version isn't an issue on PSP, making it a bit more manageable.
For the record, I don't have a clue as to what they're talking about with the "slowdown while turning" bit. I navigate completely fine on the Wii. I'd even go so far as to say that the Wii version is the definitive version for all the above reasons.
I think that Alien Syndrome is simply a victim of hardcore gamer style inflation. It's not just that the graphics (which get the job done) aren't blazingly high-poly-high-rez-self-shadowing-omg-is-that-bloom?!?!?!? It's also that I think small, simple, straightforward designs are being undervalued. Just like Iwata said that if Tetris were pitched today, it'd need a million things added to it, I think that some look at the straightforward, grounded "Gauntlet" gameplay of Alien Syndrome and marvel that the game is utterly devoid of layers upon layers of extra features to gussy it up enough to sit on the shelf.
Personally, I don't need to be tricked into having fun by being bombarded with features and cutscenes and extras and eye candy. If I can have fun with the game, I'll have fun with it. And by golly, I'm a Gauntlet fan. And a Tetris fan too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2007, 09:58:40 PM
Oh wait... how many people here are actually ENJOYING playing Wii Play and challenging each other's high scores? Hmmm...
Also, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that Mark Bozon did BOTH reviews of AS for the Wii and PSP at IGN. Still, I stand by my assessments with the prospective quality of the PSP version.
Oh, and...
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Also random holes, reused boss models, poor level variety, poor camera, and sloppily overly large levels sound like a winner as well.
Yummy yummy. I loves me some gross exageration.
Post by: Case on July 27, 2007, 10:59:32 PM
In my eyes, graphics is not the most important thing when it comes to any game what-so-ever. Yes. They help, when I see the amazing models on Smackdown! vs Raw on the PS2 I go "Oooo! Ahhhhh! That looks just like the Boogieman! (And he's coming to getcha :P)" But, when I play it... on the hardest difficulty... and defeat the Great Khali with Micky James... the gameplay is quite... dull. I chucked in WWE Day of Reckoning ONE. (I imported the second, but lent my freeloader to my girlfriend so I had to play the first) And I always forget how FUN the game is... and challenging at the same time.
Yes. That is a big ramble based on WWE games (you'll come to find, people, I'm obsessed
). I have not played Alien Syndrome. I am in no place to say wether or not it is good or bad. Take the facts, what you like and what you hate. The point of my big ass ramble that has gone absolutely no-where.. (and you'll also come to find I just ramble... a lot... and it will be like I'm talking to myself. But that's alright, because I enjoy it ).. is that some peoples priorities are not with graphics and prettyness, that's either good or bad depending on your perspective, but graphics never stood in the way of a great fun game. ^_^ </ramble> *eidttt...
also, do not quote me. But I think an Alien Syndrome review is coming very soon here, so ^_^!
Post by: Mashiro on July 28, 2007, 03:44:59 AM
Game can be fun but is it 50 dollars fun? Alien Syndrome doesn't seem like a game worth purchasing. Renting maybe but not purchasing.
Just my take on it.
Post by: Case on July 28, 2007, 04:04:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I'll agree with the whole price point thing.
Game can be fun but is it 50 dollars fun? Alien Syndrome doesn't seem like a game worth purchasing. Renting maybe but not purchasing.
Just my take on it.
Yeah, I forgot about that. $100AU is a little out there, but hey. For as big as the game sounds maybe that is a fair price. I beleive that's a seperate arguement in my books though. I mean, all budget titles have been remakes, full of minigames and whatnot... it's such a grey area, isn't it? o_O Raving Rabbids is $100AU... Smooth Moves is $70AU? To quote a superhero/wrestler, "WASSUPWITDAT!? O_O"
Post by: therat on July 28, 2007, 04:24:14 AM
To golden Phoenix, yes, i was desperate for a new wii game, but i enjoy the gauntlet genre, and this isn't bad, i had fun playing.
I played solo as a firebug (which i wish i kept doing). Flame is strong, and set them on fire. Flame depletes ammo, but ammo and health is VERY abundant it almost doesnt matter. You arent invincible though, you can get lost in the heat of the battle and realize you are dead.
Second time i played with a buddy i went seal. Seal has the laser rifle which depletes from your energy (not health, energy can be used to turn on a sheild as well). The laser rifle, when you shoot it, is very bright, i almost wish you can turn down some effects. It is weak as ass, but very rapid, id rather have stuck with flame.
My friend went melee, and even though you dont get the fun of running and gunning, he is UBER STRONG, doing about 120 damage when he uses a hard swing.
I also played as demo for a second, he shoot sshells like demo man from Team FOrtress, seems pretty cool.
To insanolord, you can use a trait point or two towards something called packrat, so you dont have to increase your str to hold more.
About the mini games, they are confusing as hell if you do not read the first screen telling you how to play. Aiming with the wii mote and flicking with the chuck was hard at first, but i can beat the minis easily now.
To kairon, how do you use the neural adaptars? they are in my inventory, but dont have an equip option like the addons to your helperbot.
They games cool with a bunch of annoying things i cannot believe werent irons out. if you ever see it for 30-40 and like gauntlet 4 player, its worth it, more fun then marvel alliance, but it was easier to keep track of yourself in MA. shrugs. ok, whos getting strikers monday? we gotto have a NWR tournement.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 28, 2007, 06:37:36 AM
To those arguing about the price point, you may have a decent point. I am enjoying it and don't regret buying it for $50, but some might. I'd advise at least a rental, though, and maybe pick it up if the price drops a bit. Like I said, it may not look the greatest, but it's fun.
Post by: therat on July 28, 2007, 06:42:51 AM
Post by: IceCold on July 28, 2007, 09:18:49 AM
QuoteOfftopic, I completely agree with this. SDvR's gameplay just can't hold a candle to Day of Reckoning.. it's just so much worse in so many ways. I'm disappointed that they're continuing the SDvR line on Wii and not DoR.
" But, when I play it... on the hardest difficulty... and defeat the Great Khali with Micky James... the gameplay is quite... dull. I chucked in WWE Day of Reckoning ONE. (I imported the second, but lent my freeloader to my girlfriend so I had to play the first) And I always forget how FUN the game is... and challenging at the same time.
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
Oh well, that's what younger brothers are for.
Post by: The Omen on July 28, 2007, 02:18:18 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
Yeah, except that Red Steel was good and most people didn't take time to learn the "crappy" controls..
Post by: IceCold on July 28, 2007, 04:01:37 PM
QuoteYou know VGRevolution, for someone who reprimanded Svevan when he was condescending towards people who read books from Danielle Steele and the like, you're being awfully elitist yourself with that opinion on other people's gaming tastes..
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know VGRevolution, for someone who reprimanded Svevan when he was condescending towards people who read books from Danielle Steele and the like, you're being awfully elitist yourself with that opinion on other people's gaming tastes..
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
In the interest of full disclosure, I recently bought and read a book called "The Sapphire Sky" by Kristin James. I picked it up on a whim along with Dances with Wolves and Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead, so I was feeling adventurous and figured that I had been ignorant long enough about this strange and utterly alien "romance" genre.
... Now I'm intent on hunting down more books by the same author, whose real name is Candance Camp. Not only was it surprisingly well written, but it was an engaging and contemporary story to boot!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 28, 2007, 07:38:46 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know VGRevolution, for someone who reprimanded Svevan when he was condescending towards people who read books from Danielle Steele and the like, you're being awfully elitist yourself with that opinion on other people's gaming tastes..
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
No it is because I feel it is doing more harm than good then defending games as being great games and running down reviewers as being paid off. You like a game, fine. But don't pretend that everyone else is unfairly picking on the game, sometimes it is fine to admit that a game can induce an average response from someone without there being some big conspiracy. For example, I really enjoyed a game called Battletanks for N64, but reviewers gave it an average score, and guess what? I thought it was justified, same goes with Mario Party 8, which while I enjoyed it I will openly admit Nintendo needs to do much better the next time around. Not sure about that Danielle Steele thing I've never even heard of the author before!
Also I plan on picking up Escape from Bug Island!
Post by: Case on July 28, 2007, 07:57:53 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteOfftopic, I completely agree with this. SDvR's gameplay just can't hold a candle to Day of Reckoning.. it's just so much worse in so many ways. I'm disappointed that they're continuing the SDvR line on Wii and not DoR.
" But, when I play it... on the hardest difficulty... and defeat the Great Khali with Micky James... the gameplay is quite... dull. I chucked in WWE Day of Reckoning ONE. (I imported the second, but lent my freeloader to my girlfriend so I had to play the first) And I always forget how FUN the game is... and challenging at the same time.
Bahaha! THIS TREAD IS NOW ABOUT SD! vs RAW vs DOR!! GOGOGO O_O
Hehehe. But yeah, off topic again.
It is a bit of a disapointment, but I look on the bright side. The only reason I would by a PS3 is for SD vs Raw.
If it's coming on Wii, I don't need a PS3.
MY LOGIC IS SOLID
*does a Triple H 'suck it' pose with the Wii Remotes.*
Ohhh yeah. That feels good.
"If you're not down with that, WE GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!! ^_^"
*Masive crowd screems "suck it"*
Damn. I wish Triple H and HBK was going to be in Perth tonight... I got to settle for the Great Khali and Batista
Hehehehe... anyways... yes.
Please continue with the... um... what game is this thread about? o_O I'm so b&ed... -_-
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 28, 2007, 08:00:22 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteOfftopic, I completely agree with this. SDvR's gameplay just can't hold a candle to Day of Reckoning.. it's just so much worse in so many ways. I'm disappointed that they're continuing the SDvR line on Wii and not DoR.
" But, when I play it... on the hardest difficulty... and defeat the Great Khali with Micky James... the gameplay is quite... dull. I chucked in WWE Day of Reckoning ONE. (I imported the second, but lent my freeloader to my girlfriend so I had to play the first) And I always forget how FUN the game is... and challenging at the same time.
Bahaha! THIS TREAD IS NOW ABOUT SD! vs RAW vs DOR!! GOGOGO O_O
Hehehe. But yeah, off topic again.
It is a bit of a disapointment, but I look on the bright side. The only reason I would by a PS3 is for SD vs Raw.
If it's coming on Wii, I don't need a PS3.
MY LOGIC IS SOLID
*does a Triple H 'suck it' pose with the Wii Remotes.*
Ohhh yeah. That feels good.
"If you're not down with that, WE GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!! ^_^"
*Masive crowd screems "suck it"*
Damn. I wish Triple H and HBK was going to be in Perth tonight... I got to settle for the Great Khali and Batista
Hehehehe... anyways... yes.
Please continue with the... um... what game is this thread about? o_O I'm so b&ed... -_-
And neither holds a candle to WWF Wrestlemania or WWF No Mercy on N64.
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 08:04:57 PM
Anyways, back on topic:
You know Case, Iansane is a great fan of wrestling games too! I can't wait till you meet him! He's the heart and soul of this forum!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 28, 2007, 08:10:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Are staffers supposed to intentionally derail threads?
Anyways, back on topic:
You know Case, Iansane is a great fan of wrestling games too! I can't wait till you meet him! He's the heart and soul of this forum!
I feel very sorry for case.
Post by: Case on July 28, 2007, 08:15:15 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: CaseQuote
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteOfftopic, I completely agree with this. SDvR's gameplay just can't hold a candle to Day of Reckoning.. it's just so much worse in so many ways. I'm disappointed that they're continuing the SDvR line on Wii and not DoR.
" But, when I play it... on the hardest difficulty... and defeat the Great Khali with Micky James... the gameplay is quite... dull. I chucked in WWE Day of Reckoning ONE. (I imported the second, but lent my freeloader to my girlfriend so I had to play the first) And I always forget how FUN the game is... and challenging at the same time.
Bahaha! THIS TREAD IS NOW ABOUT SD! vs RAW vs DOR!! GOGOGO O_O
Hehehe. But yeah, off topic again.
It is a bit of a disapointment, but I look on the bright side. The only reason I would by a PS3 is for SD vs Raw.
If it's coming on Wii, I don't need a PS3.
MY LOGIC IS SOLID
*does a Triple H 'suck it' pose with the Wii Remotes.*
Ohhh yeah. That feels good.
"If you're not down with that, WE GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!! ^_^"
*Masive crowd screems "suck it"*
Damn. I wish Triple H and HBK was going to be in Perth tonight... I got to settle for the Great Khali and Batista
Hehehehe... anyways... yes.
Please continue with the... um... what game is this thread about? o_O I'm so b&ed... -_-
And neither holds a candle to WWF Wrestlemania or WWF No Mercy on N64.
Amen sister.
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Are staffers supposed to intentionally derail threads?
Anyways, back on topic:
You know Case, Iansane is a great fan of wrestling games too! I can't wait till you meet him! He's the heart and soul of this forum!
I'm a staffer...? o_O Ohh shi- I am too! I should act more proffesional huh... ^_^;
I also like meeting lotsa wrestling fans... so Iansane should show himself soon. We can sense eachothers presence... ^_^
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I feel very sorry for case.
*gulps* o_O
Post by: that Baby guy on July 29, 2007, 06:16:23 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
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Where has Ian been? I haven't seen him around lately...
All the positive Nintendo news, such as Nintendo being the 5th biggest company in Japan, has scared him away.
Post by: Smoke39 on July 29, 2007, 10:31:24 AM
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I agree that for some people, it'd be better to wait for a price drop, but that's true of a lot of games. Personally, I'm enjoying this so much I don't mind paying the full price. Also, it IS too bad the game isn't online... it would've made things so much easier. *sigh*
Online co-op might've made the game worth $50 to me. The only person I ever seem to play video games with anymore doesn't have time to come over very often anymore.
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 10:43:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I agree that for some people, it'd be better to wait for a price drop, but that's true of a lot of games. Personally, I'm enjoying this so much I don't mind paying the full price. Also, it IS too bad the game isn't online... it would've made things so much easier. *sigh*
Online co-op might've made the game worth $50 to me. The only person I ever seem to play video games with anymore doesn't have time to come over very often anymore.
I totally agree with you. Now that I live away from home, I can't play as often with my younger bro anymore. /sad This is why I'm eagerly waiting for both Endless Ocean and BWii... online co-op 4TW!!!
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Where has Ian been? I haven't seen him around lately...
All the positive Nintendo news, such as Nintendo being the 5th biggest company in Japan, has scared him away.
Is it true that he doesn't have a Wii yet? Wow... I'm spoiled by my pre-ordered Launch Wii! *hugs Wii*
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2007, 05:42:55 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know VGRevolution, for someone who reprimanded Svevan when he was condescending towards people who read books from Danielle Steele and the like, you're being awfully elitist yourself with that opinion on other people's gaming tastes..
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
No it is because I feel it is doing more harm than good then defending games as being great games and running down reviewers as being paid off. You like a game, fine. But don't pretend that everyone else is unfairly picking on the game, sometimes it is fine to admit that a game can induce an average response from someone without there being some big conspiracy. For example, I really enjoyed a game called Battletanks for N64, but reviewers gave it an average score, and guess what? I thought it was justified, same goes with Mario Party 8, which while I enjoyed it I will openly admit Nintendo needs to do much better the next time around. Not sure about that Danielle Steele thing I've never even heard of the author before!
Also I plan on picking up Escape from Bug Island!
I don't think the reviewer was paid off; if they were paying him off they probably would have sent them a review copy
I don't think this is an all-time great game, but it is very entertaining. I'm not asking they give it a 9 or an 8, but 5 is too low. The reviewer did the same with Heatseeker (a cool arcade-style flight game with great Wii controls; using the nunchuk as a flight stick is great, and also a great example of how sensitive the nunchuk sensor is), a PS2 port, they talked about the graphics for about 80-90 percent of the review. That, I believe, got a 6.5, which I think is about accurate. I had fun with it, but it was a bit repetitive and certain parts (carrier landings) were overly tough. If they'd given Alien Syndrome a 7, or even a 6.5, it would be fine. I would give it better, but as a general guide it makes sense. Even if the reviewer insists on giving it a 5.5, he should spend more time talking about what he thinks are gameplay flaws and less whining about the graphics. If he cares about graphics that much he should switch to reviewing PS3 games.
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 05:48:26 PM
Either way, I'm not here to say that the game score should be higher. Game scores are an entire different conversation! But I am here to say that if you're a gauntlet fan, give Alien Syndrome a shot! It's actually quite enjoyable!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 07:05:15 PM
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I knew BWII was online (it was one of the first two games confirmed to be Wi-Fi enabled, along with Strikers, back before the Wii was even released), but it wasn't until recently that I learned that that included co-op and I was extremely excited.Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know VGRevolution, for someone who reprimanded Svevan when he was condescending towards people who read books from Danielle Steele and the like, you're being awfully elitist yourself with that opinion on other people's gaming tastes..
Sounds like Red Steel all over again "Hey this is an average game but since it is 3rd party and I am desperate for games my standards have been lowered to compensate unconsciously".
No it is because I feel it is doing more harm than good then defending games as being great games and running down reviewers as being paid off. You like a game, fine. But don't pretend that everyone else is unfairly picking on the game, sometimes it is fine to admit that a game can induce an average response from someone without there being some big conspiracy. For example, I really enjoyed a game called Battletanks for N64, but reviewers gave it an average score, and guess what? I thought it was justified, same goes with Mario Party 8, which while I enjoyed it I will openly admit Nintendo needs to do much better the next time around. Not sure about that Danielle Steele thing I've never even heard of the author before!
Also I plan on picking up Escape from Bug Island!
I don't think the reviewer was paid off; if they were paying him off they probably would have sent them a review copy
I don't think this is an all-time great game, but it is very entertaining. I'm not asking they give it a 9 or an 8, but 5 is too low. The reviewer did the same with Heatseeker (a cool arcade-style flight game with great Wii controls; using the nunchuk as a flight stick is great, and also a great example of how sensitive the nunchuk sensor is), a PS2 port, they talked about the graphics for about 80-90 percent of the review. That, I believe, got a 6.5, which I think is about accurate. I had fun with it, but it was a bit repetitive and certain parts (carrier landings) were overly tough. If they'd given Alien Syndrome a 7, or even a 6.5, it would be fine. I would give it better, but as a general guide it makes sense. Even if the reviewer insists on giving it a 5.5, he should spend more time talking about what he thinks are gameplay flaws and less whining about the graphics. If he cares about graphics that much he should switch to reviewing PS3 games.
You are being completely disingenuous to his review, he comments on other aspects as well when determining the score. That includes price, camera control, IR lag, in addition to the visuals. I'm not sure if Bozon follows Matt's rating style, but it appears he did in that he said that fun can be found in the game but that there are much better games out there. So a 5.5 is slightly above average. I find it funny that this is compared to Gauntlet, yet if memory serves, the "next-gen" gauntlet games sold for around $30-40 at launch.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 07:23:23 PM
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If he cares about graphics that much he should switch to reviewing PS3 games.
Well just because it's a Wii doesn't mean the game shouldn't look nice.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2007, 08:11:53 PM
Mashiro, I totally agree that games can and should look good on the Wii, and really hope Metroid and especially Mario Galaxy raise the standard for graphics on the Wii. But I think that just because they don't look great doesn't mean they can't be fun.
This is a game that should be tried, and if you see it for cheap--which you will, the reviews will scare off most people and cause some trade-ins, and the price will plummet due to lack of demand--pick it up. (Especially you GoldenPhoenix; you don't want to support this kind of game, if you buy it used none of your money will go to the publisher or developer of this game)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 08:54:23 PM
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I know he made several points, most of them good, about why he gave the score he did. And I know the Wii is capable of much more graphically. My point is that he spent most of the review talking about the graphics. That's not a good way to structure a game review.
Mashiro, I totally agree that games can and should look good on the Wii, and really hope Metroid and especially Mario Galaxy raise the standard for graphics on the Wii. But I think that just because they don't look great doesn't mean they can't be fun.
This is a game that should be tried, and if you see it for cheap--which you will, the reviews will scare off most people and cause some trade-ins, and the price will plummet due to lack of demand--pick it up. (Especially you GoldenPhoenix; you don't want to support this kind of game, if you buy it used none of your money will go to the publisher or developer of this game)
I really think the reason why he emphasized visuals was that it indicated how close it was to its PSP roots, which is NOT a good thing. Like I said before, if this game was 30 or maybe even 40 dollars I would pick it up, at the very least I will rent it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 01, 2007, 06:05:19 PM
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Cons:
Obnoxiously repetitive gameplay
Obtuse and illegible menus
Hordes of recycled enemies
Awkward controls
Muddy color scheme and generic art design
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Final: 3.5
There’s no easy way to say this, but Alien Syndrome is one of the worst games you could get for your Wii. The game is a hollow shell of generic art, obtuse menus, irrelevant leveling, and soul-crushingly repetitive shooting action. Even the most ardent dungeon crawler fan will be hard pressed to find something worth celebrating in this game.
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I think I'll be holding onto my monies.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 01, 2007, 06:10:57 PM
I didn't read the review
Post by: therat on August 01, 2007, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 10:03:37 PM
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All I want to hear from the supporters of the game that they thought the final product was lazily ported and flawed, yet still contains fun.
Funny, that's all I want to hear from the detractors.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 10:05:03 PM
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All I want to hear from the supporters of the game that they thought the final product was lazily ported and flawed, yet still contains fun.
Funny, that's all I want to hear from the detractors.
All I hear from the supporters is how great the game is and how everyone is being unfair.
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 10:14:47 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
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I hardly think that therat rating the game a "7" is calling the game great, by any stretch.
Well when a 5 is average a 7 is pretty high.
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 10:55:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 10:55:57 PM
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Ah, but I don't think that therat is using the IGN or NWR game scale now is he?
Yeah he would probably give the best game in the world a 7.5
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 11:00:12 PM
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the graphics are fine, yet, sometimes there is so much going on in it, you get lost in a crowd of baddies. the camera is VERY annoying to me, the only way to navigate properly is make you mini map unrotatable and look at that for all the route to go to the next area. (haha, i have a prob with the mini map as well, you CANNOT tell which way your arrow is facing on it. wth, there is a bunch of things that make you go "why", but it doesnt KILL the game)
To golden Phoenix, yes, i was desperate for a new wii game, but i enjoy the gauntlet genre, and this isn't bad, i had fun playing.
I played solo as a firebug (which i wish i kept doing). Flame is strong, and set them on fire. Flame depletes ammo, but ammo and health is VERY abundant it almost doesnt matter. You arent invincible though, you can get lost in the heat of the battle and realize you are dead.
Second time i played with a buddy i went seal. Seal has the laser rifle which depletes from your energy (not health, energy can be used to turn on a sheild as well). The laser rifle, when you shoot it, is very bright, i almost wish you can turn down some effects. It is weak as ass, but very rapid, id rather have stuck with flame.
My friend went melee, and even though you dont get the fun of running and gunning, he is UBER STRONG, doing about 120 damage when he uses a hard swing.
I also played as demo for a second, he shoot sshells like demo man from Team FOrtress, seems pretty cool.
To insanolord, you can use a trait point or two towards something called packrat, so you dont have to increase your str to hold more.
About the mini games, they are confusing as hell if you do not read the first screen telling you how to play. Aiming with the wii mote and flicking with the chuck was hard at first, but i can beat the minis easily now.
To kairon, how do you use the neural adaptars? they are in my inventory, but dont have an equip option like the addons to your helperbot.
They games cool with a bunch of annoying things i cannot believe werent irons out. if you ever see it for 30-40 and like gauntlet 4 player, its worth it, more fun then marvel alliance, but it was easier to keep track of yourself in MA. shrugs.
Post by: therat on August 02, 2007, 04:22:06 AM
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Post by: that Baby guy on August 15, 2007, 05:33:41 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 15, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
Even better is that he could jump RIGHT INTO my game! Sure, I was level 11, the enemies were vicious, and he was a new characterlevel 1 piece of meat but... it let him jump right in and so we were just careful and smart about giving him the best armor we could(or making the best armor for him via the much maligned companion bot). Luckily he caught up in level quickly, chose different weapons than I did, and was soon kicking alien butt.
I was also able to get me some flame weapons. SOOOO much more destructive than my energy weapons. Less useful, but more punch, definitely. I discovered that I could assing different guns to the A and B buttons, so switching between the weapons for convenience is uber easy. My bro went explosive/projectile. We found a quantum ripper laying on the ground, so he's teching to that as fast as possible to be awesome.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 15, 2007, 06:18:31 PM
Is the Quantum Ripper a gun? I haven't gotten that far yet. I think the best way to tech might be to use those leveling-up-like machines. Whatever they're called, you can earn proficiency points, and I think if you start a new game and import your character back and forth, you can use those to your advantage.
Post by: Kairon on August 15, 2007, 08:35:40 PM
And yeah, I think those proficiency things are meant to be used over and over again if you import your character to new games. With 2 more difficulty levels after normal and a level cap of 99, I suspect that the developers sort of see incessant stat building as a natural thing.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 16, 2007, 07:56:42 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 08:21:04 AM
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Oh wow. I don't think I'll do that though. It feels like trivializing the game in such a way would make me enjoy it less.
Would that put you in the majority then?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 08:21:05 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2007, 08:23:30 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 16, 2007, 08:53:13 AM
How much RP do you have? I think I have 6000.
Post by: therat on August 16, 2007, 06:23:45 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 17, 2007, 02:41:41 PM
I couldn't figure out how those doors open. I didn't find any switch later on, so I think they're only open-able in higher difficulties. I just went past that level and didn't worry about it.
This is how far I am in the game:I escaped from that abandoned ship and am now in the beginning of the setai tau 5 station
