Post by: Smash_Brother on June 25, 2007, 09:56:04 AM
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Here’s some more great news for Nintendo fans. Sega, Bandai-Namco, and Capcom all like to make money off of their games. It seems that their projects for the PS3 and PSP just aren’t raking in the kind of dough that they want. What do you do when you want to make games that have a chance of selling? You move them to a platform that has the most momentum. While these companies will still make games for all platforms, there will be an increased focus on the Wii and DS. I am sure the 360 will do just fine with games from these companies as well, but it sounds like Sony may start to hurt sometime soon.
I figured this was bound to happen at some point. Glad to see it, if it is indeed true.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 25, 2007, 11:21:22 AM
But after all their games bombed bad enough like they have on the PSP and PS3 eventually they had to finally realize that the Sony user base doesn't care about them and never will. If these Japanese companies want money, their only options are to develop for Nintendo platforms because Sony's systems are failing like crazy and Microsoft's audience only cares about Western games and would never even think about buying anything from Japan. Unless it's already heavily Westernized like Dead Rising or Lost Planet.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 25, 2007, 12:03:27 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 25, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
QuoteGive me Panzer Dragoon, another light gun game, an arcade racer, and Shenmue please!
Sega can just go sit in the corner (or make a real 2.5D Sonic, but that'll never happen)...
Well, at the very least Panzer Dragoon.. however much SEGA has gone downhill lately, Orta on Xbox got great reviews, and imagine what the controller could do for that game.
Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 01:12:41 PM
*cue soap opera music*
Sega: No Wii, we cannot be together. For you see, you're shallow. I need a real system with real power under the hood. Can you render graphics akin to reality? PS3 says it can.
Nintendo: You know that's a lie. And since when am I shallow? Sure, I'm not the biggest or the strongest but I'm safe and secure and dependable. And I know how to touch you. You remember that, babe. Don't you? Just reach on out and give me a whirl.
Sega: I CAN'T~! Besides, PS3 already bought me a mansion and all I have to do is *** * ***** ****... Wait, what? Let's try this again. *Ahem* All I have to do is *** * *** * ******... ... Damn forum filter!
Nintendo: Can't you see? It's a sign! A sign that you shouldn't whore yourself out just because PS3 is throwing huge gobs of money at you now. That's PS3's answer to everything! But he doesn't know how to make you happy. Only I can do that.
Sega: I just don't know...
*cue soap opera music again*
Will Nintendo and Sega ever get back together? Will PS3 be able to tempt Sega away with a fistful of cash? And what Of Capcom and Namco-Bandai who weren't even mentioned in this episode but will be in the next with a hot lesbian love triangle? Anyway, stay tuned for the next explosive episode *BOOM* (there goes another Sony laptop battery) of All My Consoles~!
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I still don't understand all the resistance Nintendo has been dealing with from the big name Japanese devs. At any other time in console history they would have jumped on the lead console as soon as it started to pull ahead, which is far from where Wii is as it's a good 50 or 60 miles down the road already while the PS3 has barely managed to limp past the 100 meter line. Something is very fishy when developers, who always talk about how they put their games on the system with the largest user base, are all but ignoring the system with the largest user base. And I don't buy any BS about power as the weakest system is the one that almost always wins out in the end.
The way things are going I'm half expecting Wii to be the biggest selling console and still receive very little or just plain crap support for everyone except Nintendo. Apparently not only can Nintendo sell a console on their own, they can sell the #1 console of it's generation. I think a situation like that would end up making them more egotistical than if 3rd parties came back to them. Imagine Nintendo telling 3rd parties to go screw themselves en mass because they really don't need them.
Scary stuff...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 01:17:26 PM
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Originally posted by: denjet78
But Sega what the one that came out and said the Wii was shallow recently. This whole developer thing is turning into a big soap opera.
*cue soap opera music*
Sega: No Wii, we cannot be together. For you see, you're shallow. I need a real system with real power under the hood. Can you render graphics akin to reality? PS3 says it can.
Nintendo: You know that's a lie. And since when am I shallow? Sure, I'm not the biggest or the strongest but I'm safe and secure and dependable. And I know how to touch you. You remember that, babe. Don't you? Just reach on out and give me a whirl.
Sega: I CAN'T~! Besides, PS3 already bought me a mansion and all I have to do is *** * ***** ****... Wait, what? Let's try this again. *Ahem* All I have to do is *** * *** * ******... ... Damn forum filter!
Nintendo: Can't you see? It's a sign! A sign that you shouldn't whore yourself out just because PS3 is throwing huge gobs of money at you now. That's PS3's answer to everything! But he doesn't know how to make you happy. Only I can do that.
Sega: I just don't know...
*cue soap opera music again*
Will Nintendo and Sega ever get back together? Will PS3 be able to tempt Sega away with a fistful of cash? And what Of Capcom and Namco-Bandai who weren't even mentioned in this episode but will be in the next with a hot lesbian love triangle? Anyway, stay tuned for the next explosive episode *BOOM* (there goes another Sony laptop battery) of All My Consoles~!
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I still don't understand all the resistance Nintendo has been dealing with from the big name Japanese devs. At any other time in console history they would have jumped on the lead console as soon as it started to pull ahead, which is far from where Wii is as it's a good 50 or 60 miles down the road already while the PS3 has barely managed to limp past the 100 meter line. Something is very fishy when developers, who always talk about how they put their games on the system with the largest user base, are all but ignoring the system with the largest user base. And I don't buy any BS about power as the weakest system is the one that almost always wins out in the end.
The way things are going I'm half expecting Wii to be the biggest selling console and still receive very little or just plain crap support for everyone except Nintendo. Apparently not only can Nintendo sell a console on their own, they can sell the #1 console of it's generation. I think a situation like that would end up making them more egotistical than if 3rd parties came back to them. Imagine Nintendo telling 3rd parties to go screw themselves en mass because they really don't need them.
Scary stuff...
Den I personally think it has taken so long because NIntendo has been struggling the last two generations and 3rd parties needed to have comfort that Wii wasn't just a Christmas fad, but something stable. My guess is that support will skyrocked just like the Nintendo DS (which was quite slow in the 3rd party support as well).
Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 01:33:36 PM
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Den I personally think it has taken so long because NIntendo has been struggling the last two generations and 3rd parties needed to have comfort that Wii wasn't just a Christmas fad, but something stable. My guess is that support will skyrocked just like the Nintendo DS (which was quite slow in the 3rd party support as well).
It's possible, but jumping on the PS3 as if it were a sure thing so early was completely idiotic for developers to do in the first place. It wasn't even like this when the market shifted from Nintendo to Sony last time. As soon as FFVII came out every developer basically considered the N64 dead in the water and before that the market was near split with big name games announced for both platforms. It's taken 6 months and ungodly horrible numbers from the PS3 to see even a hint of that kind of shift and most of these developers are still talking about how they're going to support all systems equally. Which, of course means that they're still worried the Wii is going to flop at any second.
People have been predicting Nintendo's fall since, well, since before the Wii was even announced. It's funny how Sony always gets the benefit of the doubt but Nintendo never does. They have to fight for every last ounce of respect that they get.
Post by: mantidor on June 25, 2007, 03:11:39 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 25, 2007, 04:34:47 PM
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I secretly wish for Nintendo to go back to its Yamauchi days with third parties out of pure spite towards them for the way the treated us Nintendo fans.
We all want to slap around some of these 3rd parties, yes, but that would just result in another fall of Nintendo when 3rd parties go running to MS or some other company.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 04:36:12 PM
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It's possible, but jumping on the PS3 as if it were a sure thing so early was completely idiotic for developers to do in the first place. It wasn't even like this when the market shifted from Nintendo to Sony last time. As soon as FFVII came out every developer basically considered the N64 dead in the water and before that the market was near split with big name games announced for both platforms. It's taken 6 months and ungodly horrible numbers from the PS3 to see even a hint of that kind of shift and most of these developers are still talking about how they're going to support all systems equally. Which, of course means that they're still worried the Wii is going to flop at any second.
People have been predicting Nintendo's fall since, well, since before the Wii was even announced. It's funny how Sony always gets the benefit of the doubt but Nintendo never does. They have to fight for every last ounce of respect that they get.
Well you do bring up good points, but you have to remember that back in the N64 days Nintendo pretty much shot themselves in the foot BIG time with carts. I think 3rd parties were looking for an excuse to jump ship to a system that was cheaper for them (CDs being WAY cheaper than the N64 carts) and had accumulated a fairly substantial userbase. Not to mention that Nintendo wasn't nearly as dominant anymore, even the SNES era was a relatively close race.
I can understand why 3rd parties were (and still are to a point) so hesitant with the Wii. You have to remember most analysts were picking Sony to win even with the 600$ price tag, the Wii was in the shadows for quite some time. Heck even here people were saying how the Wii would not sell out quickly. Whether you like it or not Sony had established a track record with the HUGE success of PS2 and PS1, and had dominated both generations, the PS2 by a huge margin. So can you really blame 3rd parties for betting on the winning horse? One reason why it may be taking so long for 3rd parties to switch is that they have so much invested in PS3 that to switch could be costly!
Post by: Urkel on June 25, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
I still wont expect anything major from Konami. It's pretty sad that the N64 got better Konami support than the Gamecube. Two Goemon games, Hybrid Heaven, International Superstar Soccer... hell, even Castlevania. Sure, Castlevania wasn't very good, but at least we got it.
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2007, 05:28:57 PM
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mantidor wrote:
I secretly wish for Nintendo to go back to its Yamauchi days with third parties out of pure spite towards them for the way the treated us Nintendo fans.
I know you probably weren't entirely serious, but it was all Yamauchi's fault to begin with. If he didn't go all Emperor Palpatine on 3rd parties, Nintendo would've never been in that little mess they were in the past 10 years or so. If you really want some payback, throw Yamauchi down the energy reactor shaft of a planet destroying space station.
Post by: mantidor on June 25, 2007, 05:45:56 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 25, 2007, 06:12:01 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 06:14:26 PM
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heh well of course I was half joking, but Yamauchi did what he did because it was the way he revived a dead industry, I can't completly blame him, control was and is needed, but its good that from what I've seen Nintendo has found a balance.
Not if you ask Iansane they haven't.
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 25, 2007, 06:27:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'd like a Tales game from Namco, an RE game based off of the RE4 engine from Capcom, and Sega, give us Skies of Arcadia 2 and Shenmue III NOW...
Post by: that Baby guy on June 25, 2007, 06:39:17 PM
Now, third parties, on the other hand, seem to be grasping for a way to make money on Nintendo's success while trying to damage Nintendo's reputation and diminish Nintendo's strengths. After all the crap we've heard from them, we know Nintendo has been going hog wild to get devs to buy into what they have, and smaller devs seem to love it. When it comes to the bigger Japanese ones, it's like they've been fed anti-Nintendo propaganda. Honestly. I'm sick of the crap about the Wii not being a powerful enough system. What did these people do last generation? Did they refuse to play the games then, out of expectation of the now-current generations wasteful high-powered graphics standards? I just don't get it. What difference is being made in gaming, from relation from last gen to this gen? With the PS and boxes, there's nothing. Sure, a slightly more involved online gaming experience, and sure, they've both offered a lot of stuff to watch on your TV, but if I wanted that, I'd buy a nice Media Center PC, and get a lot more bang for my buck. Not only that, but what do movies and TV shows have to do with video games, anyways?
When you get into that, you see one of the bigger problems in the industry. What would happen to video games if the Playstations and Xboxes evolved into television-mounted media centers? If they lost their synonymies with video games? Anyone can see that this is the path Sony and MS want to take, but honestly, I think you'd have to be a fool of a developer to support something like that. Eventually, video games would become PC games, and sales would drop to similar levels as PC games face - No one wants to have to upgrade their equipment every one or two years to play the newest games, so the best sellers are games several years old: StarCraft, Myst, Doom, face it, PC games take too long to sell in most cases on their own, and developers supporting this evolution are fools, almost attempting to doom themselves in ten years, while making tiny, insignificant gains on expensive games now. Idiots, I say.
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 06:50:13 PM
Oh sure, I'm a Nintendo fanboi, but Nintendo's a known commodity. Third parties, thanks to the innovation engendered by the Wii and DS, are a vast horizon of the unexpected. I can't wait to buy more unique games... and can't wait for when bigger third parties get some sense knocked into them as well.
Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 07:08:25 PM
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When you get into that, you see one of the bigger problems in the industry. What would happen to video games if the Playstations and Xboxes evolved into television-mounted media centers? If they lost their synonymies with video games? Anyone can see that this is the path Sony and MS want to take, but honestly, I think you'd have to be a fool of a developer to support something like that. Eventually, video games would become PC games, and sales would drop to similar levels as PC games face - No one wants to have to upgrade their equipment every one or two years to play the newest games, so the best sellers are games several years old: StarCraft, Myst, Doom, face it, PC games take too long to sell in most cases on their own, and developers supporting this evolution are fools, almost attempting to doom themselves in ten years, while making tiny, insignificant gains on expensive games now. Idiots, I say.
Crazy PlayStation guy who doesn't work for Sony anymore basically said that the only reason the PSX was even made was because this is exactly what Sony was aiming for. They wanted to build up a user base of customers who are willing to buy little boxes that sit next to their TVs that they could later infiltrate with other technologies and then take over the world.
I wonder when everyone else is going to figure that out. I mean, the guy actually came right out and said it but people still act like Sony is god's gift to video games. Eventually though they're going to drop gaming like a hot potato, both Sony and MS. They really don't care at all. It's just an easy way to get little electronics boxes into people's living rooms without them noticing.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 25, 2007, 07:10:14 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 25, 2007, 07:14:42 PM
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I'm with you denjet - no matter what Nintendo does 3rd parties will always find an excuse not to support the Wii.. that's just the way it is. Hell, the DS still isn't getting the support it deserves for selling 40+ million consoles in only 2 and a half years.
I think I finally understand the reason for that. I think the reason many 3rd parties are reluctant to put games on Nintendo's consoles is for purely egotistical reasons. I think they really resent the fact that Nintendo's first party games consistently outsell their own games on Nintendo's hardware, so they seem to prefer to release games for the competition instead because even though their games sell far less than they would on Nintendo's systems, they find that here they are the big fish in a little pond...
And it is really stupid because the point of being a business is making money, but it seems like they'd rather be the top dog on a Sony system than to make buckets of cash and have to compete with Nintendo's games. But some other companies which have actually tried, like Square-Enix (for example), have proven that it is possible for a 3rd party to top the DS charts if they really try. It seems like some 3rd parties just don't want to try, so they throw out crap games which unsurprisingly do poorly, and then they whine that it is all Nintendo's fault, even though these crap games consistently perform better on Nintendo hardware than something like the PSP.
Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 07:14:54 PM
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Sony and Microsoft have both said it all along. Really, if they would just go right out and do it, it would work much better than trying to subversively taking over the living room.
It's strange though, no one seems to believe it. And at the beginning MS was still playing nice. Remember how the XBox was designed by gamers for gamers?
How can people still be stupid enough to fall for marketing garbage like that?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 07:17:34 PM
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Sony and Microsoft have both said it all along. Really, if they would just go right out and do it, it would work much better than trying to subversively taking over the living room.
It's strange though, no one seems to believe it. And at the beginning MS was still playing nice. Remember how the XBox was designed by gamers for gamers?
How can people still be stupid enough to fall for marketing garbage like that?
I love my Xbox 360 and the games, so in my mind it was built for gamers!
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 07:21:24 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 25, 2007, 07:46:17 PM
QuoteThat's exactly it. And if Nintendo hadn't innovated with the Wii and forced the situation to change, the vicious cycle would keep going on and on.
But some other companies which have actually tried, like Square-Enix (for example), have proven that it is possible for a 3rd party to top the DS charts if they really try. It seems like some 3rd parties just don't want to try, so they throw out crap games which unsurprisingly do poorly, and then they whine that it is all Nintendo's fault, even though these crap games consistently perform better on Nintendo hardware than something like the PSP.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 08:44:42 PM
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The XBox was really designed BY gamers I think too. I really believe that for all the danger that resonates in MS' move, their games division is run by people who actually care about or are actually attentive to "games." Should they win though, we'll see how long that lasts.
I can definately affirm that statement, my experience with Microsoft's Game Devision has been great, they are people who love their jobs and love games. The atmosphere is open, friendly and quite casual, almost everyone looks genuinely happy to be at work.
Post by: Smoke39 on June 25, 2007, 08:51:26 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 26, 2007, 04:57:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock If you really want some payback, throw Yamauchi down the energy reactor shaft of a planet destroying space station.
Yeah, but he'd get you with his lightning powers.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 26, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
1. A lot of them are stuck in their ways. Like many gamers, they want games to be adventures about epic Sci-fi/Fantasy universes. I think a lot of us prefer Pikmin to Nintendogs, but we all know which of those games is bringing home the bacon. As such, many people in the industry are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future, just like many gamers.
2. It takes a long time to make good games. You can't just flip a switch and turn your PS3 projects into Wii ones, and a lot of developers expected PS3 to be #1 up until last E3. Heck, the less imaginative ones probalby didn't get it until sometime this year. If it takes at least a year to make a decent game, then the first E3 converts are just getting their games finished about now...and let's face it, half of those will just take until Christmas because they think everything will sell better then. Not to mention that really good games usually take more than that...maybe 2-3 years.
Of course, I have to agree with IceCold that even with all its success, DS still doesn't get all of the 3rd party respect it deserves...I can only attribute that to point 1, and some of that usual "fear" of competing with Nintendo's first party games.
Post by: denjet78 on June 26, 2007, 07:27:47 AM
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The XBox was really designed BY gamers I think too. I really believe that for all the danger that resonates in MS' move, their games division is run by people who actually care about or are actually attentive to "games." Should they win though, we'll see how long that lasts.
I can definately affirm that statement, my experience with Microsoft's Game Devision has been great, they are people who love their jobs and love games. The atmosphere is open, friendly and quite casual, almost everyone looks genuinely happy to be at work.
I think it really sucks that you guys have had good experiences with them. Probably the only reason you have is that MS hasn't turned the employees into Borg. No real reason to do that if you're going to ax the entire division most likely sooner than later. I simply refuse to support a company that looks at gaming the way that MS does. Hell, they're not even looking at gaming at all. They're still too busy grasping at that gold ring of having a techno box on top of every TV in the world. Whether it plays games or not means nothing to them. They just want to control it.
Post by: denjet78 on June 26, 2007, 07:41:07 AM
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I think there are two things to be said about the third parties' seemingly slow move towards Nintendo:
1. A lot of them are stuck in their ways. Like many gamers, they want games to be adventures about epic Sci-fi/Fantasy universes. I think a lot of us prefer Pikmin to Nintendogs, but we all know which of those games is bringing home the bacon. As such, many people in the industry are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future, just like many gamers.
Developers don't make those kinds of decisions. Publishers do. If publishers think they're going to make more money on the Wii with mini-game compilations and puppy simulators then that's what the developers are going to make. But why haven't the publishers jumped on Wii yet? Surely they've been able to see that the system practically prints money. And they'd have a great chance at getting in on the ground floor of a new type of game play. Any one of them could end up creating the next multi-sequel franchise that goes on for generations.
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2. It takes a long time to make good games. You can't just flip a switch and turn your PS3 projects into Wii ones, and a lot of developers expected PS3 to be #1 up until last E3. Heck, the less imaginative ones probalby didn't get it until sometime this year. If it takes at least a year to make a decent game, then the first E3 converts are just getting their games finished about now...and let's face it, half of those will just take until Christmas because they think everything will sell better then. Not to mention that really good games usually take more than that...maybe 2-3 years.
True. It does take time to make good games. It does not, however, take all that much time or effort to make ANNOUNCEMENTS for good games that aren't going to see the light of day for 2 or 3 years. They do that all the time for Sony and MS games. Even to this day you still see it. Once the Wii took off you'd think they would have started making future promises but I haven't seen or heard much of anything. The only company on Wii that has predicted future games is Nintendo. Everyone else seems terrified to announce a game if it isn't coming out in the next 6 months or so.
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Of course, I have to agree with IceCold that even with all its success, DS still doesn't get all of the 3rd party respect it deserves...I can only attribute that to point 1, and some of that usual "fear" of competing with Nintendo's first party games.
The situation really doesn't make any sense at all. It could be fear or it could be resistance but most likely it's just money hats. Considering how poorly any game does on the PSP even when compared to how many units have been sold, I simply cannot understand why anyone would still see it as a viable focus. Especially nard head with Castlevania. They shouldn't allow idiots like that out of their cages. They tend to say really stupid stuff.
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Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2007, 09:00:51 AM
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It does not, however, take all that much time or effort to make ANNOUNCEMENTS for good games that aren't going to see the light of day for 2 or 3 years. They do that all the time for Sony and MS games.
No one was banking on Wii to succeed. It's been out for what, 7 months? Give it some time. I'm certain, especially given this recent announcement, that we'll hear something by the end of the year, if not in 2 weeks at E3.
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Considering how poorly any game does on the PSP even when compared to how many units have been sold, I simply cannot understand why anyone would still see it as a viable focus. Especially nard head with Castlevania. They shouldn't allow idiots like that out of their cages. They tend to say really stupid stuff.
I believe BlackNMild2k1 said in another thread that PSP only looks bad next to DS, which, I've read, is the fastest selling hardware ever. No one would make anything on anything if they didn't expect to turn a profit. I swear I've said this before.
And I wouldn't put too much stock into everything anyone says. Unless explicitly told not to say something, they tend to just ramble. It's gamers like you and me who read too far into what they say. For all the sh*t IGA has apparently talked about Nintendo, he sure made his fair share of titles for GBA/DS.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 26, 2007, 09:33:12 AM
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I think there are two things to be said about the third parties' seemingly slow move towards Nintendo:
1. A lot of them are stuck in their ways. Like many gamers, they want games to be adventures about epic Sci-fi/Fantasy universes. I think a lot of us prefer Pikmin to Nintendogs, but we all know which of those games is bringing home the bacon. As such, many people in the industry are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future, just like many gamers.
Developers don't make those kinds of decisions. Publishers do. If publishers think they're going to make more money on the Wii with mini-game compilations and puppy simulators then that's what the developers are going to make. But why haven't the publishers jumped on Wii yet? Surely they've been able to see that the system practically prints money. And they'd have a great chance at getting in on the ground floor of a new type of game play. Any one of them could end up creating the next multi-sequel franchise that goes on for generations.
I didn't say developers, I said "third parties". The whole industry is full of people in the "blockbuster epic = big money" mindset. Heck, the Sega guy that was complaining about Wii a few weeks back was the VP of marketing, not a developer at all. It can be the developers or the suits who are scared of the future.
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2. It takes a long time to make good games. You can't just flip a switch and turn your PS3 projects into Wii ones, and a lot of developers expected PS3 to be #1 up until last E3. Heck, the less imaginative ones probalby didn't get it until sometime this year. If it takes at least a year to make a decent game, then the first E3 converts are just getting their games finished about now...and let's face it, half of those will just take until Christmas because they think everything will sell better then. Not to mention that really good games usually take more than that...maybe 2-3 years.
True. It does take time to make good games. It does not, however, take all that much time or effort to make ANNOUNCEMENTS for good games that aren't going to see the light of day for 2 or 3 years. They do that all the time for Sony and MS games. Even to this day you still see it. Once the Wii took off you'd think they would have started making future promises but I haven't seen or heard much of anything. The only company on Wii that has predicted future games is Nintendo. Everyone else seems terrified to announce a game if it isn't coming out in the next 6 months or so.
You've got a point, it's puzzling why they aren't announcing more games...my guess is a lot of them simply aren't far enough along. RE5 was announced more than a year ago (maybe more than two years ago), and it looks like Wii will have Umbrella Chronicles long before that game ever comes out - maybe before we even see more screens/video of it. Indeed, this may be why third parties are keeping their pieholes shut - to avoid a bunch of vapourware embarrasments if the Wii bubble "bursts".
Edit: less capslock.
Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2007, 09:47:13 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
Some of us expect to see a big blowout at E3. But should we wait longer? Is E3 going to be a vastly different affair from past years, and will devs still hold cards close to their chest? Should we wait until TGS in Sep/Oct? Or is that too long?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 26, 2007, 10:15:27 AM
Post by: BigJim on June 26, 2007, 10:22:05 AM
Better stuff will come. It's just too bad that so much info is now either fractured into bits or under embargo entirely now that E3 as we knew it was blown up, and we have to wait even longer for the new E3.
Don't forget that Nintendo is pretty controlling about even 3rd party game announcements. So the flexibility of pre-announcing games on other consoles typically doesn't apply here.
