Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 19, 2007, 07:13:14 AM
Now, the Overlord is no Olimar. Olimar could punch, but wasn't that great in combat. The Overlord, however, in standard evil villain fashion, is clad in dark armor with an axe that can feasibly swung to do some pain personally. Also, he's got some magic spells. In the demo I saw, the only one available was the fireball. Interestingly, fields of grass are flammable, and the fireball clears all of it quickly - along with any critters in it. The game looked great and ran smoothly at ~60 fps on my friend's 360, but he and I couldn't help but laugh at how much it was like Pikmin.
Also, while you're suppost to be an evildoer, the quests in the demo had you HELP a peasant village by rescuing some of their kinsman from evil halflings. This is unacceptable! I wanna be a jerk! I wanna rescue the people so they hail me as a hero and invite me for a feast, then wait until everyone is dead drunk and kill them all!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 19, 2007, 07:28:14 AM
Post by: vudu on June 19, 2007, 07:30:18 AM
GCN is more powerful than the 360. FACT
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 19, 2007, 07:38:18 AM
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Let me be the first to point out that in Pikmin you can control 100 units, not 50 like in the Overlord demo.
GCN is more powerful than the 360. FACT
Ironic, isn't it?
Post by: Aretak on June 19, 2007, 08:00:51 AM
So certainly an accurate tribute to Pikmin.
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 08:39:10 AM
Dungeon Keeper was great. This game is great just by similarity. Seriously, play the evil overlord, command an army, build a tower, get an evil mistress, and slay the heroes? Great concept.
BTW, you CAN choose how evil you want to be. This is fine. True evil isn't black but instead a vacillating shade of grey. And in this game, the 7 heroes have come to represent the 7 sins, so it's also a game of evil vs. corrupted good.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 19, 2007, 08:57:18 AM
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BTW, you CAN choose how evil you want to be. This is fine. True evil isn't black but instead a vacillating shade of grey. And in this game, the 7 heroes have come to represent the 7 sins, so it's also a game of evil vs. corrupted good.
Can you? I'm just saying, it doesn't seem fitting that a villain would save a town's people and not require they join his kingdom.
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 09:03:15 AM
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BTW, you CAN choose how evil you want to be. This is fine. True evil isn't black but instead a vacillating shade of grey. And in this game, the 7 heroes have come to represent the 7 sins, so it's also a game of evil vs. corrupted good.
Can you? I'm just saying, it doesn't seem fitting that a villain would save a town's people and not require they join his kingdom.
I haven't played the game yet, but I assume that by killing all their reigning heroes, you're exercising effective control over their lands anyways. Let's not forget that evil can be insidious as well as overt.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
Controlling 50 guys is too limiting. I'll bet the devs (or likely the publisher) felt that looking as pretty as possible was more important than possibly lowering the graphic quality in favour of gameplay. I've always argued that increasing hardware capabilities has significant gameplay benefits but I won't argue that many devs will just use it to improve the graphics.
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 09:53:09 AM
Post by: Ceric on June 19, 2007, 10:04:10 AM
Kairon you did not just say that. For Shame. Thats Gender Bias...
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 10:07:02 AM
It... it... it just spilled out! I'm still trying to get rid of everything that is a gamer taint inside of me, but I'm not very successful.
Seriously though, I'd love to see Pikmin re-imagined as a more social-concept game, which I would hope would be appealing to females.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 19, 2007, 10:17:50 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 10:21:58 AM
I don't know, pillow fighting has a distinct aspect of direct physical competition that strikes me as, yes, fun, but also more male-oriented. (replace pillows with swords and you get the idea) The real worth of a pillow fight is not just in the visceral activity, but also the level of trust it bonds participants with.
What I've been envisioning over the past couple mintues is a game based in high school where a girl builds up a friend base and makes alliances with other girls and even a couple boys in her quest to become "Queen Bee." High School Pikmin.
*off high horse*
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 19, 2007, 10:26:27 AM
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*on high horse*
I don't know, pillow fighting has a distinct aspect of direct physical competition that strikes me as, yes, fun, but also more male-oriented. (replace pillows with swords and you get the idea) The real worth of a pillow fight is not just in the visceral activity, but also the level of trust it bonds participants with.
What I've been envisioning over the past couple mintues is a game based in high school where a girl builds up a friend base and makes alliances with other girls and even a couple boys in her quest to become "Queen Bee." High School Pikmin.
*off high horse*
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 10:33:56 AM
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Post by: that Baby guy on June 19, 2007, 10:47:41 AM
But seriously, is the any way to combine Unown with Kirby?
Post by: Ceric on June 19, 2007, 11:01:45 AM
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Lingerie pillow fighting
No Pro that would be on the 360. There are already games in the line that have proven they can master the appropriate physics for such a task.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 19, 2007, 11:07:55 AM
When I played the demo I hadn't even heard of the game, but after finishing I think every Pikmin (and non fans) should give it a shot. Even the first boss fight was hilarious, not really that hard, but it was pretty funny (Your minions crawlling all over him and batting him on the head and other places on his body). For such a short taste of the game, it shows alot of promise and I have no doubt the gameplay gets deeper as you progress (Especially with those magic spells). So I will be getting this game, it is one of my most anticipated this year.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2007, 12:19:45 PM
To me accusing Pikmin of being "too hardcore" is like accusing The Clash of being "too punk" or chocolate cake of being "too sweet". I don't see why that would be considered a bad thing. Do we work at Nintendo? No. So what do we care if Pikmin isn't attracted the casual female market? All we should care about is if Pikmin kicks ass or not.
Suddenly Nintendo's bottom line is all that matters. "But this doesn't have casual gamer appeal!" My response: GOOD.
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 12:48:40 PM
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I initially thought Kairon was kidding. You ever watch King Of Queens? You know that weird fart-like sound Doug makes by covering his mouth with his hand? The internet needs a emoticon for that.
To me accusing Pikmin of being "too hardcore" is like accusing The Clash of being "too punk" or chocolate cake of being "too sweet". I don't see why that would be considered a bad thing. Do we work at Nintendo? No. So what do we care if Pikmin isn't attracted the casual female market? All we should care about is if Pikmin kicks ass or not.
Suddenly Nintendo's bottom line is all that matters. "But this doesn't have casual gamer appeal!" My response: GOOD.
Well EXCUSE ME if I'm interested in game design and the sort of people it apeals to. Casual games are awesome, they've got an entirely different bent, entirely different challenges.
EXCUSE ME if I don't want to be insular, but instead am curious about what other people like, why they like it, and how to give them that.
I don't subscribe to this "us" and "them" mentality. I don't subscribe to splitting gaming down the middle between "hardcore" and "casual." I don't believe that only X people are allowed to play games, that Y people are ruining it for the rest of us. I don't believe in building walls or creating "gaming ghettoes."
Pikmin has awesome design concepts. Is it so bad to want to explore that? It may take us in casual directions and I'M NOT AFRAID OF THAT.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 19, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 19, 2007, 01:45:17 PM
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Did Pikmin 2 have any time constraints? I hated those about the first one, I just wanted to take my time. I may just have to find the second one if it didn't.
There are infinite days to complete the game. Seriously, if you enjoyed Pikmin, pick Pikmin 2 up. It should be really cheap now.
And for all my bashing of the game, Overlord looks to be fun. Unfortunately, when I tried the pc demo, it game me a .dll file missing error, so I guess I'll need to wait until it comes for 360.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 19, 2007, 01:46:06 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 02:21:49 PM
Unless you go underground, then time stops. But if you're underground then you're stuck with the pikmin you have and can't grow any more to replace your losses.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 19, 2007, 02:29:26 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 19, 2007, 02:45:13 PM
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Did Pikmin 2 have any time constraints? I hated those about the first one, I just wanted to take my time. I may just have to find the second one if it didn't.
There are infinite days to complete the game. Seriously, if you enjoyed Pikmin, pick Pikmin 2 up. It should be really cheap now.
And for all my bashing of the game, Overlord looks to be fun. Unfortunately, when I tried the pc demo, it game me a .dll file missing error, so I guess I'll need to wait until it comes for 360.
Have you tried to download the demo for it on Xbox 360? It is available in the demo sections.
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Post by: Kairon on June 20, 2007, 05:27:34 PM
I'm about 600 MHz short of the minimum requirements BUT IT WORKED!!! Oh boy, now I can't wait to get this game for PC!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 20, 2007, 06:52:35 PM
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All my settings on low... 640 X 480 screen... AND IT WORKS! The Demo ran fine at Perfect Dark frame rates!!! YAY!!!
I'm about 600 MHz short of the minimum requirements BUT IT WORKED!!! Oh boy, now I can't wait to get this game for PC!
Wow what kind of computer do you have? lol
Post by: Kairon on June 20, 2007, 09:48:14 PM
I have the ram, the graphics card, everything! Everything except that... oh well. No matter. They lied. I cried. Then I downloaded the demo.
Post by: Darc Requiem on June 21, 2007, 03:03:52 AM
Sorry had to do it Kairon.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 21, 2007, 05:49:47 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 21, 2007, 06:39:59 AM
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A laptop. The friggin thing lists 2.4 GHz minimum requirement! I mean... SERIOUSLY!!! TWO POINT FOUR GIGA HERTZ!!!
I have the ram, the graphics card, everything! Everything except that... oh well. No matter. They lied. I cried. Then I downloaded the demo.
Hertz don't mean everything nowadays. You might be running an Athlon chip. They have slower clock speeds but do more per clock.
Post by: capamerica on June 21, 2007, 11:58:17 AM
Hollyshit is this game a lot of fun! I never cared for Pikmin, infact I found Pikmin to be pretty boring. But Overlord so far is a lot of fun, I can't wait to pick it up when it comes out.
It's like Gremlins meets Pikmin meets the dark side of Jim Henson.
I hope the rest of the games keeps with the same humor as the demo.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 21, 2007, 03:20:46 PM
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I downloaded the DEMO on XboxLive today.
Hollyshit is this game a lot of fun! I never cared for Pikmin, infact I found Pikmin to be pretty boring. But Overlord so far is a lot of fun, I can't wait to pick it up when it comes out.
It's like Gremlins meets Pikmin meets the dark side of Jim Henson.
I hope the rest of the games keeps with the same humor as the demo.
You are like me then, I have never been a big Pikmin fan (I think it is a quality game though), but was impressed with Overlord.
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Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2007, 11:19:23 AM
It's to be expected though, because seriously... Pikmin was made by Miyamoto. It's nearly a perfect game. You can't expect these guys to top that in what is more or less a derivative effort.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 01, 2007, 12:58:08 PM
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That's probably true TrueNerd. I've only played the demo so far, but already I was getting that feeling. A lot of players will probably be sold on the atmosphere and concept alone really, and be happy with the middling gamep-lay because of those two intangible benefits.
It's to be expected though, because seriously... Pikmin was made by Miyamoto. It's nearly a perfect game. You can't expect these guys to top that in what is more or less a derivative effort.
Actually I hear Pikmin was a ripoff of a game called sacrifice for the PC.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 01, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2007, 01:52:57 PM
Pikmin is about ants and gardening.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 01, 2007, 08:15:32 PM
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After reading about Sacrifice on Wikipedia, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that Pikmin bears more than a passing resemblance. Sacrifice is about wizards controlling any of more than 40 different types of DnD creatures and casting more than 40 different types of DnD spells, all against a backdrop of interdimensional travel, different gods, and DESCRATING your opponent's altar.
Pikmin is about ants and gardening.
YEah but the gameplay mechanics are supposedly similar. Regardless I am going to try to get ahold of Sacrifice and see for myself.
Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2007, 08:34:38 PM
Seems pretty cut and dry to me...
j/k, tell me what you discover.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 01, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
Here's a taste:
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As I mentioned before, the voice recording sessions were great. We have some great outtakes from those, like Gnarl singing the Scissor Sisters' "I Don't Feel Like Dancing." The rest are all very rude. It was my first experience at co-audio directing (along with the great Dan and Tim from the Audio Guys), and I ended up giving direction like "Imagine he's got a really large schlong" and "More phlegm!" "You're excited and aroused... no, more aroused... no... not that aroused!" It was really a lot less dodgy than it sounds, honestly, but you can't help but have fun with that!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 01, 2007, 06:33:34 PM
It's still a lot of fun though, just like Pikmin was.
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
