Post by: niniendowarrior on June 17, 2007, 05:28:15 PM
I was wondering, with Resident Wiivil coming, do you regret plucking down the cash for the Cube version? Would you buy the Wii Edition knowing it's a Wii port of the game you once owned? If you are, are you expecting the controls to enhance or detract?
Post by: Kairon on June 17, 2007, 05:44:01 PM
Post by: Mario on June 17, 2007, 05:45:37 PM
I wont support a crappy port and will get REUC instead.
Post by: Nemo on June 17, 2007, 05:54:47 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 17, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
btw, tank controls? RE4 controls nothing like the tank controls of the previous REs.
Post by: Kairon on June 17, 2007, 06:02:12 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 17, 2007, 06:05:10 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
RE4 was possibly the best game last gen so no.
btw, tank controls? RE4 controls nothing like the tank controls of the previous REs.
Uh... The movement controls for RE4 are 100% identical to the movement controls in the previous RE games. The only real difference in controls is the aiming, and non-static camera angles.
Post by: Kairon on June 17, 2007, 06:07:31 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on June 17, 2007, 06:24:07 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2007, 08:18:13 PM
RE4 Wii will simply evolve my badassness.
Post by: Adrock on June 17, 2007, 09:38:31 PM
I'm getting the Wii version for all the PS2 extras and because I think motion controls will alter the experience enough to warrant a purchase. This is probably the first RE port that's totally worth every penny. At $30 (plus my 10% discount), the only downside is that classic lines like Leon calling Salazar "bro" and "You're small time," aren't as awesome on any subsequent play through.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on June 17, 2007, 11:42:11 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 17, 2007, 11:59:01 PM
Post by: Rhoq on June 18, 2007, 02:30:01 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 18, 2007, 03:02:34 AM
Post by: Pale on June 18, 2007, 03:17:59 AM
/sigh
Post by: Rhoq on June 18, 2007, 03:44:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I'm probably going to end up buying this even though I own the cube version and honestly wasn't a fan of it...
/sigh
Why buy it again if you didn't like it originally? Are you hoping the Wii control scheme will change your opinion of the game?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 18, 2007, 03:49:14 AM
Post by: Pale on June 18, 2007, 04:04:27 AM
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Originally posted by: RhoqQuote
Originally posted by: Pale
I'm probably going to end up buying this even though I own the cube version and honestly wasn't a fan of it...
/sigh
Why buy it again if you didn't like it originally? Are you hoping the Wii control scheme will change your opinion of the game?
Pretty much, yeah. I won't be buying it on launch or anything though.. just on my list of possibilities if I ever run out of stuff to play.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 18, 2007, 04:18:13 AM
I still haven't decided what to do. I still haven't opened it. I'm probably going to give it to GameStop for whatever pittance I can get in return just to get it out of my sight.
Post by: Rhoq on June 18, 2007, 04:35:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
Im getting the Wii-make as well since I trust S-U-P-E-R's impressions and I never got to try the PS2's extras, I still love the cube game(im going to keep it and probably will sell the DS remake of RE1) .
I'll be trading in my GameCube version (but I'll keep the limited edition GameStop tin, history of RE book and RE4 lithograph). I'll also give up the 3 backwards-compatible XBox games I held onto when I bought my 360. I don't play them, so I might as well get the $2 GameStop will offer me for them. LOL
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Originally posted by: Pale
I'm probably going to end up buying this even though I own the cube version and honestly wasn't a fan of it...
/sigh
Why buy it again if you didn't like it originally? Are you hoping the Wii control scheme will change your opinion of the game?
Pretty much, yeah. I won't be buying it on launch or anything though.. just on my list of possibilities if I ever run out of stuff to play.
I can respect that.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2007, 05:46:21 AM
Plus if you get too worried about this sort of stuff gaming is going to be a frustrating hobby. Just never buy a Metal Gear Solid or Pokemon game in the first release because those will have a better version within the next year every time.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 18, 2007, 06:12:18 AM
So yeah...
I REGRET NOTHING!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 18, 2007, 06:15:13 AM
The downside to it is you will likewise miss out on a lot of great stuff which is never re-made or re-released, like Super Mario RPG for example. Plus you have to wait a few years. But hey, at least you won't get an unpleasant surprise from the re-release fairy sometime in the future.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 18, 2007, 06:31:41 AM
I actually bought it in California and played it with some friends out there. I still remember when I was shooting one of the monks carrying a wooden shield in the head as he was coming up the stairs and my friend said, "Ahh, the shield! It does NOTHING!" (McBain).
Yeah, this is definitely a game capable of sustaining an audience.
Post by: Ghisy on June 18, 2007, 06:38:23 AM
And the Wii edition has been pre-ordered for a week.
Yes, I'm a sucker for RE games but I love it.
The end.
Post by: Tanookisuit on June 18, 2007, 06:47:50 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 18, 2007, 08:03:00 AM
RE4 was one of those games that more than merited paying the full retail price too, so I would have easily paid out the full sum back when it was first released, even if I knew that a superior Wii version was slated for a few years later.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 18, 2007, 08:46:28 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 18, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2007, 11:13:45 AM
Going by reviews and impressions can do that fairly well, too though and then you don't have to wait. But the game will cost more and everyone here will bug your ass for not giving games that get 6's and 7's a chance.
I own no Player's Choice Cube games because I hate the yellow stripe on the box. Considering everyone makes their "hits" releases ugly I'm sure they do that on purpose to get people to avoid holding out for the price drop. Well it f*cking worked on me. Bravo game industry.
Post by: Kairon on June 18, 2007, 11:35:44 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 18, 2007, 11:46:33 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2007, 11:49:11 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 18, 2007, 01:14:29 PM
Of course there is also the option of buying the game second-hand... a used copy of RE4 for GC is probably going to be dirt cheap after the Wii version comes out, if it isn't already.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 18, 2007, 02:04:09 PM
What a fool I was.
Post by: Khushrenada on June 18, 2007, 03:35:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Maybe people should only buy games that are re-made or re-released as player's choice? That's really not such a bad idea, actually, because if you have a very limited budget and you do that you are limiting yourself to pretty much the best of the best."
Going by reviews and impressions can do that fairly well, too though and then you don't have to wait. But the game will cost more and everyone here will bug your ass for not giving games that get 6's and 7's a chance.
I own no Player's Choice Cube games because I hate the yellow stripe on the box. Considering everyone makes their "hits" releases ugly I'm sure they do that on purpose to get people to avoid holding out for the price drop. Well it f*cking worked on me. Bravo game industry.
I am with you on this. I hate those yellow stripe player choice labels also. Most of my collection is the black spine and then I have these 3 that just stick out. It bugs me so much. I've even bought games from EBGames and then asked if I could change the cover with another one that didn't have the yellow stripe. They look at you a bit funny because it is a different request but they let me change the covers. Now, whenever I see that a game is going player's choice, I look to find stores that have a lot of the game in stock. That way, when the price comes down, they still have a few with the black label left mixed with all the new yellow.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2007, 05:19:47 AM
That's usually what I do. I buy a game new if I want it the day it comes out but after that I usually look for it used. Still the ugly hits versions often dominate the used sections as well.
It's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. The real money-making scheme though would be to sell "replacement" labels online without the stripe. They're advertised as replacements but the real *wink wink* design is to pay a little extra to get a non-ugly label.
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 19, 2007, 05:57:35 AM
If I have enough money, I'll get it for Wii as well ^_^
and Kairon, you are made of PHAIL ¬¬
Post by: Kairon on June 19, 2007, 08:44:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
and Kairon, you are made of PHAIL ¬¬
I'm TRYING!!!
/cry
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 19, 2007, 09:00:29 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 19, 2007, 09:10:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm TRYING!!!
/cry
You /cry too much.
Henceforth, you will be known as "Cryron".
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 19, 2007, 11:33:05 AM
QuoteLOL
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm TRYING!!!
/cry
You /cry too much.
Henceforth, you will be known as "Cryron".
some mod must make that Kairon's rank XD
Post by: that Baby guy on June 19, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
For the Wii Nintendo will be even meaner. Anyone who buys a Player's Choice title will have their Mii automatically wear shabby clothing to show how poor they are.
Ian, this is the absolute best thing you have ever said. Brilliant!
Post by: mantidor on June 19, 2007, 03:23:58 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 19, 2007, 04:33:25 PM
Manhunt 2.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 19, 2007, 05:05:43 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
If it wasn't a mediocre port, yeah, maybe a little bit, but they only repackaged the GC game with waggle, so I really don't feel I'm missing anything, when a game is good, and this one really is, its gameplay is tailored around the control and it shows, thats why the ganados move slowly, thats why the bosses have the patterns they have, I'm still waiting for that definitive ideal wii experience, and surely this port isn't it.
Actually it is more than the GC packaged with the Wiimote (BTW from what I read the Wii aiming is great), it also includes true widescreen and the extras from the PS2 version.
Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2007, 05:41:48 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 19, 2007, 10:14:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Yeah, I've read that the Separate Ways mission with Ada in the PS2 version is practically like an entire game itself. That's what makes the Wii Edition worth it for me.
I agree especially since I never played the PS2 one (I didn't want the graphical downgrade).
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 20, 2007, 04:47:38 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Adrock
Yeah, I've read that the Separate Ways mission with Ada in the PS2 version is practically like an entire game itself. That's what makes the Wii Edition worth it for me.
I agree especially since I never played the PS2 one (I didn't want to use that uncomfortable, stiff, disaster of a controller).
Post by: Pale on June 21, 2007, 03:45:34 AM
Post by: Artisto16 on June 21, 2007, 04:13:42 AM
I bought the Wii version yesterday and BAM, I get the best of both world, plus the added "light gun" controls. Now I gotta say.... if you have the Gamecube version already, the Wii version is worth it for the added content (from PS2 version), the new better shooting controls, and the $30 pricetag. Now if you have the PS2 version, then it may not really be worth it (unless you REALLY care for slightly improved graphics and a Wii control scheme).
I figure that I'll eventually give my gamecube away to a friend, and I can give them RE4 with it. My roomate will have his PS2 copy, and I will have my Wii copy. I don't regret buying this game this many times for this many platforms (I actually bought more copies for other friends as gifts, the Wii version makes it my 7th RE4 purchase, and I may buy someone else the Wii version).
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2007, 04:19:51 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 21, 2007, 06:57:48 AM
Now I just need to get a Wii first. Where in the heck are they?!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 21, 2007, 07:09:15 AM
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2007, 07:41:47 AM
I'd probably keep the GCN version anyway since I'd only get $1 for trading it in and it's just nice to have anyway.
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2007, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 21, 2007, 05:56:25 PM
Quoteas posted on the other RE4Wii thread, it does support the classic controller AND the GC controller...
Originally posted by: Adrock
There's a Classic Controller icon on the back of the case. I'm guessing that's just a mistake because I recall reading that the Wii edition didn't have other control options. Can anyone confirm this? While I'm all for motion controls, having an option to support traditional controls would make this already amazing version even better. Hey, I like great deals.
I'd probably keep the GCN version anyway since I'd only get $1 for trading it in and it's just nice to have anyway.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 21, 2007, 07:51:27 PM
I bet it was a simple matter for Capcom to get it to work with a standard controller since it was originally designed for that...
Post by: Requiem on June 21, 2007, 08:09:16 PM
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Originally posted by: KhushrenadaQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Maybe people should only buy games that are re-made or re-released as player's choice? That's really not such a bad idea, actually, because if you have a very limited budget and you do that you are limiting yourself to pretty much the best of the best."
Going by reviews and impressions can do that fairly well, too though and then you don't have to wait. But the game will cost more and everyone here will bug your ass for not giving games that get 6's and 7's a chance.
I own no Player's Choice Cube games because I hate the yellow stripe on the box. Considering everyone makes their "hits" releases ugly I'm sure they do that on purpose to get people to avoid holding out for the price drop. Well it f*cking worked on me. Bravo game industry.
I am with you on this. I hate those yellow stripe player choice labels also. Most of my collection is the black spine and then I have these 3 that just stick out. It bugs me so much. I've even bought games from EBGames and then asked if I could change the cover with another one that didn't have the yellow stripe. They look at you a bit funny because it is a different request but they let me change the covers. Now, whenever I see that a game is going player's choice, I look to find stores that have a lot of the game in stock. That way, when the price comes down, they still have a few with the black label left mixed with all the new yellow.
Hahahaha.....Wow, I never thought Nintendo Fanboys were so aesthetically attached to their collections. How metro-sexual, OCD, or cute (which ever you least prefer)?
Post by: niniendowarrior on June 28, 2007, 01:51:26 AM
I can now understand the issues and I don't know if the Cube version helps. So all I can say is I regret getting the Wii version.
Post by: mantidor on June 28, 2007, 04:01:38 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
If it wasn't a mediocre port, yeah, maybe a little bit, but they only repackaged the GC game with waggle, so I really don't feel I'm missing anything, when a game is good, and this one really is, its gameplay is tailored around the control and it shows, thats why the ganados move slowly, thats why the bosses have the patterns they have, I'm still waiting for that definitive ideal wii experience, and surely this port isn't it.
Actually it is more than the GC packaged with the Wiimote (BTW from what I read the Wii aiming is great), it also includes true widescreen and the extras from the PS2 version.
It never cease to amuse me the great irony that a wii fan is often a graphics whore when it comes to defend the flaws of the console, like crappy ports.
Post by: EasyCure on June 28, 2007, 04:05:58 AM
im glad the wii version came along or else i might never of picked this title up and even though im ony a few chapters in i can really see why this game was so acclaimed.
best $3 i ever spent
(thanks to trade ins that is)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2007, 07:18:39 AM
Move along.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 28, 2007, 08:37:25 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
If it wasn't a mediocre port, yeah, maybe a little bit, but they only repackaged the GC game with waggle, so I really don't feel I'm missing anything, when a game is good, and this one really is, its gameplay is tailored around the control and it shows, thats why the ganados move slowly, thats why the bosses have the patterns they have, I'm still waiting for that definitive ideal wii experience, and surely this port isn't it.
Actually it is more than the GC packaged with the Wiimote (BTW from what I read the Wii aiming is great), it also includes true widescreen and the extras from the PS2 version.
It never cease to amuse me the great irony that a wii fan is often a graphics whore when it comes to defend the flaws of the console, like crappy ports.
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention but this is NOT a crappy port. THe point is that the game is not a port of the GC one (You could argue it is a port of the PC and PS2 one) so your statement is not truthful. Also where did I talk about graphics? I said it includes true widescreen meaning no stupid black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, meaning I get a fuller picture. Regardless lets say I did say something to the effect that RE4 has better graphics on the Wii (which does have the best version graphically, if you want to see a crappy port check out the PC version), how is that being a graphics whore?
You want to the truth, even if it had no Wii controls (which I hear are quite good) I would probably pick this up because I own a plasma TV and black bars can cause burn in. Anyway Perhaps you should read what someone says before giving your often misguided opinion or wiggle in totally unrelated points. We get it, you hate Wii games even though you most likely have not played games with Wii controls like RE4 or Zelda: TP.
Post by: mantidor on June 28, 2007, 08:50:15 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Also where did I talk about graphics?
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Yeah, I've read that the Separate Ways mission with Ada in the PS2 version is practically like an entire game itself. That's what makes the Wii Edition worth it for me.
I agree especially since I never played the PS2 one (I didn't want the graphical downgrade).
Sorry to disagree, but some lame extras and a widescreen I wouldn't be able to use does not make a great port in my eyes, I want good games, and that means good controls, not crammed-in ones. I porbably wouldn't hate it, but its not worth the $30 they are asking.
Post by: Mashiro on June 28, 2007, 09:08:38 AM
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Yeah, I've read that the Separate Ways mission with Ada in the PS2 version is practically like an entire game itself. That's what makes the Wii Edition worth it for me.
I agree especially since I never played the PS2 one (I didn't want the graphical downgrade).
Sorry to disagree, but some lame extras and a widescreen I wouldn't be able to use does not make a great port in my eyes, I want good games, and that means good controls, not crammed-in ones. I porbably wouldn't hate it, but its not worth the $30 they are asking.
The controls work extremely well in RE4: Wii Edition and is more than worth the $30 you pay for the game.
RE4: Wii Edition is the all around best version of the game I have played and I would qualify it as a great game. What's with all these complaints about the controls? They work great!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2007, 09:21:38 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 28, 2007, 09:54:37 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 28, 2007, 10:59:08 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Sorry to disagree, but some lame extras and a widescreen I wouldn't be able to use does not make a great port in my eyes, I want good games, and that means good controls, not crammed-in ones. I porbably wouldn't hate it, but its not worth the $30 they are asking.
So you haven't played the game?
Stop "Ianing" and shut yer yap until you actually play the game.
For your information, the new controls make the game infinitely more enjoyable than the GC version was. Being able to point, aim and go in a heartbeat is vastly less cumbersome than the analogue stick aiming.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2007, 11:18:18 AM
It should've been an unlockable bonus -- wear your Salazar family crown, pearl bracelets, etc, and at the same time INCREASE YOUR DEFENSE. Much more sensible than putting Ashley in a lame suit of armor.
Post by: mantidor on June 28, 2007, 01:55:23 PM
I'm not saying I'll never try it, it looks like a fun way to waste ten minutes, I'm just never going to expend a dime on it and I don't feel like I'm missing much.
Post by: Arbok on June 28, 2007, 02:21:12 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Of course is less cumbersome, but is just a gimm!ck, if the game was unplayable for some reason you may had a point...
"Sure this power steering makes it easier and quicker to make turns, but it's just a gimm!ck, if the car couldn't be turned before for some reason you may have had a point..."
Post by: Mashiro on June 28, 2007, 03:43:16 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 28, 2007, 04:36:51 PM
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2007, 07:08:01 PM
The Wii Edition could've used more exclusive features and extras, but I can't rightly demand such and still ask for a $30 pricetag. I'm more than happy with what's in there already.
Post by: Kairon on June 28, 2007, 07:32:43 PM
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Actually no one is complaining except someone who has never played it
That's the sign of a true fanboy.
On topic, I have yet to get anything but false starts on the GC version of RE4. It's infuriating to not 'get' a game that everyone else is praising to high heaven, and even more since I haven't seen anything in the game to hate, or disgust me. Instead I'm simply, completely stumped. I'm hoping the Wii controls magically make the game better for me, or else I'll end up like Nintendo Warrior.
Post by: niniendowarrior on June 29, 2007, 12:58:32 AM
For me, the bad side is that I cannot feel in control. You struggle to get to position him and you struggle in trying to survive. No quick 180 degree turn, no strafe. Leon is clearly not a trained operative at all.
I will wait for RE: UC because I hear it's a light gun game. I'm never picking up the conventional RE games again.
Post by: oohhboy on June 29, 2007, 01:13:18 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 29, 2007, 03:04:17 AM
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Somebody should edit mantidor's posts so they say this...
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!
why? the one all worked up about it is Goldenphoenix, not me :P I find it amusing if anything.
Besides having not played the game doesn't invalidate people from criticizing a game, have any of you played the CD-I Zeldas then? what I stupid argument.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 29, 2007, 05:01:41 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor I'm not saying I'll never try it, it looks like a fun way to waste ten minutes, I'm just never going to expend a dime on it and I don't feel like I'm missing much.
How much did you play the GC version? I only played it through once so playing it through a 2nd time is great to reminisce and the Wii controls make it much more enjoyable.
Look, I'm not going to try to force the game down your throat, but remember that RE4 was an excellent game to start with and, unlike most ports, the controls work VERY well. This game is right up there with the Godfather for making good use of the controls.
At least rent it if you've nothing else to play right now. Professional mode is awesome and I haven't even gotten to the Ada missions yet.
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Originally posted by: mantidor Besides having not played the game doesn't invalidate people from criticizing a game, have any of you played the CD-I Zeldas then? what I stupid argument.
Thing is, the CD-I Zeldas are universally accepted as horrible. RE4 is still an excellent game and made even better by Wii controls.
Also, am I the only one who can play for 6 hours with no issues? I love the mote+chuck combo because I can rest my arms where ever I want which makes the game less physically demanding than even a GC controller would.
Post by: mantidor on June 29, 2007, 05:33:19 AM
I was giving the most extreme example to say my point clearly, you certainly can talk about the flaws of a game without having played it, we have impressions, preview, reviews, streaming gameplay video, etc, etc, etc. You can have an overall opinion on the product, playing the game will give you the real deal of course but it won't be that far away from your initial impresion, also I'm not rich to buy and try those games just to see.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 29, 2007, 05:37:55 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
"Thing is, the CD-I Zeldas are universally accepted as horrible. RE4 is still an excellent game and made even better by Wii controls."
I was giving the most extreme example to say my point clearly, you certainly can talk about the flaws of a game without having played it, we have impressions, preview, reviews, streaming gameplay video, etc, etc, etc. You can have an overall opinion on the product, playing the game will give you the real deal of course but it won't be that far away from your initial impresion, also I'm not rich to buy and try those games just to see.
Why do I get reminded of Cartman whenever I read this post...
In all seriousness, even if an opinion of the game has been set in stone it still doesn't prove anything as the user's experience with the game is sometimes vastly different from the praise and love it gets. In short, that escape goat doesn't work anymore, buddy.
If you don't want the game because you don't have the money and don't feel like playing it again, fine. Just don't crap all over it by making claims that the game sucks and that its a crappy port even though you don't have any intentions of playing.
Post by: Mashiro on June 29, 2007, 06:25:42 AM
While you can't strafe there IS a 180 degree turn. Hit down on the joystick and then one of the back buttons on the nun-chuck and your character will turn around 180 degrees.
"Also, am I the only one who can play for 6 hours with no issues? I love the mote+chuck combo because I can rest my arms where ever I want which makes the game less physically demanding than even a GC controller would. "
No I played for 7 hours on the first day =), it's an absolute delight to play the game with the Wiimote. While everyone is entitled to their opinions the Cube controller is not as good as the Wiimote IMHO.
Post by: vudu on June 29, 2007, 07:10:30 AM
QuoteHave you tried holding down Z and pressing down on the control stick?
Originally posted by: niniendowarrior
For me, the bad side is that I cannot feel in control. You struggle to get to position him and you struggle in trying to survive. No quick 180 degree turn, no strafe. Leon is clearly not a trained operative at all.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 07:49:17 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteHave you tried holding down Z and pressing down on the control stick?
Originally posted by: niniendowarrior
For me, the bad side is that I cannot feel in control. You struggle to get to position him and you struggle in trying to survive. No quick 180 degree turn, no strafe. Leon is clearly not a trained operative at all.
He is clearly not a trained gamer at all.
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Leon is more COP than 007. Most real shooting is done standing still, not Rambo. If you ever played paint-ball you find no matter how good you are, you move, you lose most of your accuracy.
^ Truth. This is the basic fundamental flaw in the illusion that shooting games try to create. Despite the development dollars and tech generations that go into pushing "reality" in graphics, all that hardly conveys the reality that aiming is involving and kinesthetically difficult, especially on-the-move. So, having rock-steady aim while strafing and running is a *limitation* of mouse/keyb input that, since the widespread inception of the scheme, can't break the mold of the super-soldier-gaming fantasy which allows you to steady your aim without even touching the controls at all (ironic eh). And don't get me started on how retarded it is to see your weapon on-screen and be able to aim it without even looking down its sights.
Oh, and as for RE4, Wii controls put Red Steel's time-freeze mechanic to shame. Pulling off 3-4 headshots upon a tight group of enemies within a second is feasible and utterly satisfying.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 29, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Also, the reticle in these FPSes expands after each shot, which is also realistic as it usually takes a moment or two to reaffirm your aim after the recoil.
Post by: oohhboy on June 29, 2007, 09:22:02 AM
In the game/propaganda tool, Americas Army, there is a stress meter. The lower it is, the more stress your avatar is and less accuracy you have as a result. More someone shoots at you, more stressed you get. It don't matter if they actually hit you, but as they shoot close enough for you to hear bullets fly by your ear, you start being suppressed. Also if you engage in close combat, a LMG doesn't guarantee that you will win. What is more than likely will happen is that most of the time both parties would unload their clip at each other, but with no one getting hit. I thought it was just lag, but it wasn't.
In paint ball, one of the op-for had charged me and I was in a kneeling position. He was no more than 5 meters away from me and closing fast. This guy also had real weapons training seeing that he is from the air force. We unloaded 15 - 20 shots at each other as fast as we could. I only scored one hit and he stitched an outline round me. This all took no more than 3 seconds. As calm as I felt, my body did something else. The danger wasn't real, but it didn't matter.
Of course simulating this kind of response out of a player is near impossible most of the time unless you firmly fix your game in reality which 99% of games don't. Considering that AA, regardless of the fact it is funded by the US Government, is an achievement in realistic warfare in an online environment. If nothing else, it convinced me I never want to fight in a real shooting war.
In RE4, they could have given Leon the ability to shoot while on the move, but that would have produced several gameplay issues and question. While moving would you still have perfect aim or would you make him drift even more. Would you make the zombies move faster to compensate, or would you given them more ranged weapons. Will you conform to some sort of reality or ditch it all together?
None of that matters. The designer was not out to make a standard third person shooter which are really, most of the time FPS's in disguise. He wanted to make a survival horror, which DOOM3 wasn't. The horror was the zombies. The survival was the choice of running or fighting, not both at the same time. He changed the genre. He made it ok to stop and shoot. Like Metroid Prime made an adventure game ok in first person. The graphics may look like standard realistic, the the gameplay is unarguably unique.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 10:34:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Some FPSes actually account for this by making your aim worse when you're moving but better when you're stationary, usually indicated by the reticle expanding to indicate that your shots will be less accurate and then shrinking to normal once your aim has steadied.
Also, the reticle in these FPSes expands after each shot, which is also realistic as it usually takes a moment or two to reaffirm your aim after the recoil.
The expanding reticule was an innovation established with the first Rainbow Six. Unfortunately, it seems every shooter that applied it afterward was far, far more forgiving -- running full-speed in Rainbow Six caused the reticule to cover a third of your viewing area. When R6: Raven Shield came out, they ditched the expanding reticule and replaced it with a bouncing camera perspective, forcing you to slide your mouse and manually re-center your aim on the target. But all this doesn't escape the fact that the mouse device does some aiming for you automatically: it remembers where you last left it, that is, keeping still (while character is standing etc) doesn't require any mouse handling at all. Looking at the evolution of shooter controls (or lackof) is interesting.
Figuring out what to do with RE4 (Wii, definitively) if Leon was allowed to move while shooting is also interesting. On one hand, i'd like to see the emphasis and importance of "good aim while standing still" maintained, so some kind of drift or reticule-to-target mismatch would be introduced while aiming & moving. On the other hand, RE4 has a general lack of "shaky cam", since the camera moves pretty smoothly during all running and moving actions, which is easy on the eyes. Either the camera shakes during movement to create the target-mismatch, or we apply an expanding reticule and keep the camera smooth, or we do both. Making our reticule jump around would be irritating.
oohhboy has interesting experiences. But it's apparent you and FlyBoy need more practice at pretend-killing people =D
Post by: Smoke39 on June 29, 2007, 11:31:03 AM
There. Reasonable mobility without sacrificing realism.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 29, 2007, 11:37:06 AM
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Y'all are raving about the realism of being unable ot aim while moving, but how realistic is it to be unable to walk sideways? Leon's pathetically sluggish. If they wanted to do something realistic, they'd make him reasonably agile and instead slow him down based on your inventory. If you want heavy firepower, you can buy a case or strap your weapons on your back or whatever. You'd actually see Leon lugging this crap around, immobilizing him to where he is in RE4.
There. Reasonable mobility without sacrificing realism.
We all know the original 3 RE games are the most realistic games EVER. I mean every one of us would slowly walk backwards from a zombie and have trouble turning away. Realism needs to go back to RE1 style!
Post by: niniendowarrior on June 29, 2007, 11:56:22 AM
We are talking about the game. I would appreciate it if you don't try to attack the person.
Now, about the shooting while moving, I didn't complain about that. It's only natural to be able to move sideways. For example, to enter into rooms without compromising yourself. There are ways to improve controls, and RE 4 plays unnaturally sluggish.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 12:06:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Y'all are raving about the realism of being unable ot aim while moving, but how realistic is it to be unable to walk sideways? Leon's pathetically sluggish. If they wanted to do something realistic, they'd make him reasonably agile and instead slow him down based on your inventory. If you want heavy firepower, you can buy a case or strap your weapons on your back or whatever. You'd actually see Leon lugging this crap around, immobilizing him to where he is in RE4.
There. Reasonable mobility without sacrificing realism.
ok we'll include that in the sequel. Leon just lacked L-targetting, that's all. I still want to see Leon wear the Salazar Family Crown.
Post by: IceCold on June 29, 2007, 05:00:08 PM
QuoteAre they any better than the WiiPlay Duck Hunt controls? Because if they are I may just have to pick this up..
Oh, and as for RE4, Wii controls put Red Steel's time-freeze mechanic to shame. Pulling off 3-4 headshots upon a tight group of enemies within a second is feasible and utterly satisfying.
Post by: Mashiro on June 29, 2007, 06:46:36 PM
All in all the controls couldn't be better for this game =) it's a very very good purchase for 30 dollars, you wont regret buying it =)
Post by: Kairon on June 29, 2007, 10:21:47 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 13, 2007, 09:13:42 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteAre they any better than the WiiPlay Duck Hunt controls? Because if they are I may just have to pick this up..
Oh, and as for RE4, Wii controls put Red Steel's time-freeze mechanic to shame. Pulling off 3-4 headshots upon a tight group of enemies within a second is feasible and utterly satisfying.
You'll want to watch this.
Post by: Ceric on July 13, 2007, 09:40:12 AM
Post by: vudu on July 13, 2007, 10:00:22 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 13, 2007, 10:34:40 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 13, 2007, 10:36:33 AM
I hope it breaks sales of 600,000 then maybe we would get RE5.
Post by: Pale on July 13, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
wait for it....
RE4 was Wii-incarnated.
Post by: Mashiro on July 13, 2007, 10:56:16 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 13, 2007, 11:04:03 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
RE4:Wii to exceed sales targets. This is really exciting news to see a 3rd party title (a port none the less) surpass expectations of the publisher. Maybe Capcom will actually realize that there is a user base for more traditional games.
They realize there's a user base for cheap versions of last-gen games.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 13, 2007, 11:09:15 AM
Post by: EasyCure on July 15, 2007, 04:21:16 AM
did i miss something in the game?
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 04:25:56 AM
Leon S Kennedy.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on July 15, 2007, 07:09:44 AM
Post by: Majora on July 15, 2007, 07:54:29 AM
I certainly don't regret buying Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube; I played through it 5 times. T'was truely an awesome experience.
However, I was disappointed, and felt let down by Capcom, when I missed out on the PS2 extras, so news of the Wii Edition made me happy I'd get a chance to play Seperate Ways.
And the Wii controls are so well suited for RE4. I have played through the game twice and i'm well into a third...
I grabbed my Gamecube RE4 out the other day just to check out my saves; what weapsons I had, etc, etc and started playing a bit... and it felt HORRIBLE without the Wiimote aiming... It's been said before, but if RE5 doesn't make it too Wii, i'm not too sure I would enjoy it on the other two consoles after playing RE4:WE...
Post by: EasyCure on July 15, 2007, 05:28:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Scott is his middle name.
Leon S Kennedy.
Oh totally missed that but still very out of left field for him to say that
And thanks for clearing that us by the way
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 05:32:07 PM
Post by: Galford on July 15, 2007, 06:11:14 PM
I am eteranlly pissed at knowing that RE:UC was suppose to play like RE4 but got nerfed into a Survivor style game.
