Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 14, 2007, 11:21:31 AM
I was excited about a good old fashioned brainless "hit things with a stick" game. I hope this turns out not to be true.
Post by: Ceric on June 14, 2007, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 14, 2007, 11:27:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 11:38:09 AM
I personally hope this isn't true, but only because Project H.A.M.M.E.R. had always been looking very... blah... and confirmation of a continuing project would suggest that improvements were actually being made... at least to me.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 14, 2007, 11:52:43 AM
THIS is what's disturbing about this rumor:
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Our sources were unable to provide a reason for the alleged termination. However, IGN Wii has heard separately that Nintendo is actively re-working some traditional games so that they are more accessible by casual players. If it is truly canned, Project H.A.M.M.E.R. may have become a casualty of Wii's newfound success in the mainstream market.
Ok, expecting gamers to be patient while you pursue a new market is one thing. But this...this goes way beyond that...
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 11:58:23 AM
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Post by: Geech on June 14, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 14, 2007, 12:18:58 PM
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I hadn't decided if I would get the game or not. I wanted to see some more depth than just mindlessly destroying things with a hammer
That's like saying you want more to Dynasty Warriors than hitting things with your sword/spear/whatever.
Post by: Crimm on June 14, 2007, 12:19:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Well, let's be honest here. This project never really lit any fires to begin with. It was only hyped because of fanboyism.
I have to agree here. It didn't look like it was anything amazing, and I didn't really understand why people were getting excited about it. "Hit stuff with a hammer." Wonderful. We have a Rygar game coming, that should be good enough and probably better.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 14, 2007, 12:20:48 PM
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Post by: Shecky on June 14, 2007, 12:38:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Yeah, Project HAMMER getting axed isn't at all surprising. Impressions when the game was unveiled were mixed at best and since then there hasn't been so much as a screenshot released.
THIS is what's disturbing about this rumor:Quote
Our sources were unable to provide a reason for the alleged termination. However, IGN Wii has heard separately that Nintendo is actively re-working some traditional games so that they are more accessible by casual players. If it is truly canned, Project H.A.M.M.E.R. may have become a casualty of Wii's newfound success in the mainstream market.
Ok, expecting gamers to be patient while you pursue a new market is one thing. But this...this goes way beyond that...
I'd believe that Nintendo is constantly evaluating it's titles, trying to include both traditional and more casual titles. In the reevaluation, certain titles likely get cut.
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2007, 12:38:37 PM
And f*ck, Rygar. I'm glad Wii is getting the new game exclusively, but f*ck Rygar regardless. Worst $20 PS2 game I ever bought.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 14, 2007, 12:50:57 PM
And usually that would make sense. But just look at Nintendo's release schedule, they're already making a pretty big push for the casual market with scores of casual games. If this rumor is true and they're canceling gamer games to free up resources for more casual games, and tampering with traditional games to make them more "accessible"...well, that's plenty of reason for a gamer to be ticked off. And besides, it's Nintendo, I'm sure most people would have rather they made an attempt to make the game great (like they do with most of their franchises) than just cut it and work on more casual titles.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
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Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 01:14:17 PM
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Shecky:
And usually that would make sense. But just look at Nintendo's release schedule, they're already making a pretty big push for the casual market with scores of casual games. If this rumor is true and they're canceling gamer games to free up resources for more casual games, and tampering with traditional games to make them more "accessible"...well, that's plenty of reason for a gamer to be ticked off. And besides, it's Nintendo, I'm sure most people would have rather they made an attempt to make the game great (like they do with most of their franchises) than just cut it and work on more casual titles.
Though if Nintendo cuts something, that must mean something. And the last time Nintendo kept a hobbling project afloat we got Geist...
Besides, shouldn't we be relying on third parties to give us hardcore gamer games? Just because Nintendo cuts one project doesn't mean a black hole opens up suddenly in the library... that is, unless you're already resolved to only play Nintendo games. This is what success means: third parties fill in the gaps. Soul Caliber Legends is supposed to ship in Japan this winter, waaaay before some were thinking H.A.M.M.E.R. would ever see the light of day.
... though if Disaster goes under, there'll be some serious uproar over allegations of "vaporware" in here.
Post by: Zach on June 14, 2007, 01:30:33 PM
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Yeah, Project HAMMER getting axed isn't at all surprising. Impressions when the game was unveiled were mixed at best and since then there hasn't been so much as a screenshot released.
THIS is what's disturbing about this rumor:Quote
Our sources were unable to provide a reason for the alleged termination. However, IGN Wii has heard separately that Nintendo is actively re-working some traditional games so that they are more accessible by casual players. If it is truly canned, Project H.A.M.M.E.R. may have become a casualty of Wii's newfound success in the mainstream market.
Ok, expecting gamers to be patient while you pursue a new market is one thing. But this...this goes way beyond that...
Hmm... I wonder where Ian is, havent seen him for a while, maybe his head exploded or something.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
Post by: Shecky on June 14, 2007, 01:47:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Shecky:
And usually that would make sense. But just look at Nintendo's release schedule, they're already making a pretty big push for the casual market with scores of casual games. If this rumor is true and they're canceling gamer games to free up resources for more casual games, and tampering with traditional games to make them more "accessible"...well, that's plenty of reason for a gamer to be ticked off. And besides, it's Nintendo, I'm sure most people would have rather they made an attempt to make the game great (like they do with most of their franchises) than just cut it and work on more casual titles.
Most of the time it's an exaggeration to say traditional games have been tampered with (out of curiosity are there any good examples of that), as the changes would do nothing to benefit accessibility to the casual gamer and logic is just skewed to place blame.
A lot of titles will come and go without you even knowing about them... In cancelling this game, they could have cancelled two others that are for the casual crowd. The other thing is that with a game that is shown in such an early stage, people often imagine what the game could have been like - imagining a title with features they like, and then get disappointed when they learn of its cancelation. In reality, not much was even know about the title.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Post by: Ceric on June 14, 2007, 01:59:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Well, let's be honest here. This project never really lit any fires to begin with. It was only hyped because of fanboyism.
I personally hope this isn't true, but only because Project H.A.M.M.E.R. had always been looking very... blah... and confirmation of a continuing project would suggest that improvements were actually being made... at least to me.
When did you become such a Pessimist?
Did someone kill your kitten?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 14, 2007, 02:02:04 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on June 14, 2007, 02:10:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Though if Nintendo cuts something, that must mean something. And the last time Nintendo kept a hobbling project afloat we got Geist...
I don't think that's really fair to say. Geist conceptually was really fantastic and regardless of the numerous issues with the game I still enjoyed it. Had Nintendo really stepped in and permanently placed some of their resources on the title I think it would have wound up being alot better.
In any event I really think this is terrible if the rumor turns out to be true. The game looked like some good fun and if there were enough resources on the title I'm sure some great things could happen with it. I agree with Pittboi, the worst part of this whole thing is the simple fact that Nintendo may have cancelled it in favor of making more casual games. I totally understand that there is big money to be made in that market, but they should be creating new teams with their oodles of money to pay for those ventures. Don't gimp the teams and projects that make games for your fans. Sh*tting all over the fanbase that has kept you going for years and years just to milk a new market is bad business. A business should always keep in mind their loyal supporters because when times get tough that is the crowd who will keep you afloat.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 02:11:22 PM
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Well, let's be honest here. This project never really lit any fires to begin with. It was only hyped because of fanboyism.
I personally hope this isn't true, but only because Project H.A.M.M.E.R. had always been looking very... blah... and confirmation of a continuing project would suggest that improvements were actually being made... at least to me.
When did you become such a Pessimist?
Did someone kill your kitten?
My cats are fine, thank you very much. And that ain't pessimism, it's calling the emperor out for not wearing any clothes.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 14, 2007, 02:12:50 PM
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Part of me believes that this is just exaggerated rumors. But the other half believes that Nintendo would be stupid enough to cancel a promising IP in favor of more casual games...
The only reason Ninty cancels games is if they just aren't working...It has absolutely nothing to do with casual games at all... *rolls eyes*
Post by: mantidor on June 14, 2007, 02:15:05 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 02:15:28 PM
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I agree with Pittboi, the worst part of this whole thing is the simple fact that Nintendo may have cancelled it in favor of making more casual games. I totally understand that there is big money to be made in that market, but they should be creating new teams with their oodles of money to pay for those ventures. Don't gimp the teams and projects that make games for your fans. Sh*tting all over the fanbase that has kept you going for years and years just to milk a new market is bad business. A business should always keep in mind their loyal supporters because when times get tough that is the crowd who will keep you afloat.
I don't know. NST, as a development house, simply doesn't seem to excel. The one thing they can boast of, in all their years of ho-hum releases and porting, is MP: H.
... Maybe Nintendo cancelled H.A.M.M.E.R. in favor of a MP:H sequel?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 14, 2007, 02:16:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 14, 2007, 02:20:03 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Sad and expected if true. As much as we like to point out that corruption, smash and galaxy are coming, theres little evidence Nintendo really cares about putting more titles like these, I expect now a Zelda wii to add to that and thats it, the rest will be brain age rehashes until the end of time.
Just like there's little evidence supporting you actually thinking before you post...
Post by: Deguello on June 14, 2007, 02:31:58 PM
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I don't know. NST, as a development house, simply doesn't seem to excel. The one thing they can boast of, in all their years of ho-hum releases and porting, is MP: H.
... Maybe Nintendo cancelled H.A.M.M.E.R. in favor of a MP:H sequel?
Kairon, I would tell you to stop thinking, but that implies that you were before. NST has some good games under its belt, and you may not agree, but Kairon does not equal the voice of everybody.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 14, 2007, 02:32:06 PM
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Well, let's be honest here. This project never really lit any fires to begin with. It was only hyped because of fanboyism.
I personally hope this isn't true, but only because Project H.A.M.M.E.R. had always been looking very... blah... and confirmation of a continuing project would suggest that improvements were actually being made... at least to me.
When did you become such a Pessimist?
Did someone kill your kitten?
No, see if Project H.A.M.M.E.R was a third party title, Kairon would be all over it. Since it's first party it's meh.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 14, 2007, 02:41:12 PM
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Sad and expected if true. As much as we like to point out that corruption, smash and galaxy are coming, theres little evidence Nintendo really cares about putting more titles like these, I expect now a Zelda wii to add to that and thats it, the rest will be brain age rehashes until the end of time.
Corruption = generic first person shooter with a nice soundtrack and little else (IWENTTHERE
)Smash Bros. = fun multiplayer pick up 'n' play
Well I'd be pretty happy if they stopped with the first, there's enough of those on 360. But the second is what the Wii's all about!
Post by: mantidor on June 14, 2007, 03:01:00 PM
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NST is one of my favorite parts of the Nintendo hamburger. Wave Race: Blue Storm, 1080 Avalanche and Mario vs Donkey Kong were outstanding. With bold and everything!Quote
Sad and expected if true. As much as we like to point out that corruption, smash and galaxy are coming, theres little evidence Nintendo really cares about putting more titles like these, I expect now a Zelda wii to add to that and thats it, the rest will be brain age rehashes until the end of time.
Corruption = generic first person shooter with a nice soundtrack and little else (IWENTTHERE
Smash Bros. = fun multiplayer pick up 'n' play
Well I'd be pretty happy if they stopped with the first, there's enough of those on 360. But the second is what the Wii's all about!
Oh trust me you are not the only one with doubts about corruption, and I have whined about it every chance I got, from the crappy bounty hunters making an appearance to how generic it all seems to be, but I remain optimistic for some unknown reason.
As I said before I would gladly eat my words when pikmin wii is announced, but with each passing day it seems less and less likely, whether this rumor is true or not.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 14, 2007, 03:24:42 PM
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Shecky:
And usually that would make sense. But just look at Nintendo's release schedule, they're already making a pretty big push for the casual market with scores of casual games. If this rumor is true and they're canceling gamer games to free up resources for more casual games, and tampering with traditional games to make them more "accessible"...well, that's plenty of reason for a gamer to be ticked off. And besides, it's Nintendo, I'm sure most people would have rather they made an attempt to make the game great (like they do with most of their franchises) than just cut it and work on more casual titles.
I think you are completely overreacting, I have no idea what more accessible is and neither do you. Technically you could argue RE4 is more accessible. In regards to Project HAMMER, I am really sad to see it go because I wanted to see what Nintendo could do with a beat em up game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 14, 2007, 03:26:44 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Sad and expected if true. As much as we like to point out that corruption, smash and galaxy are coming, theres little evidence Nintendo really cares about putting more titles like these, I expect now a Zelda wii to add to that and thats it, the rest will be brain age rehashes until the end of time.
Just like there's little evidence supporting you actually thinking before you post...
Ouch, or like Zelda: TP sucking because it was being put on Wii.
Post by: mantidor on June 14, 2007, 04:21:05 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Sad and expected if true. As much as we like to point out that corruption, smash and galaxy are coming, theres little evidence Nintendo really cares about putting more titles like these, I expect now a Zelda wii to add to that and thats it, the rest will be brain age rehashes until the end of time.
Just like there's little evidence supporting you actually thinking before you post...
The way I see it you are the one without the thinking part, my posts come abruptly because Nintendo recently hasn't fail to dissapoint me, and as a fan thats just saddening, but I only exaggerate and make hyperboles. You simply defy logic, following your reasoning Geist would have never seen the light of day, that thing never worked, it certainly never did in the middle or beginning of development. And we all know the development hell Metroid Prime was, or Wind Waker being rushed, or what about Aonuma and his "GC was making Zelda boring and thats the reason we ported it to the wii" (yeah right...) if anything Nintendo DOESN'T cancel games when they aren't working, if they didn't see any potential the projects wouldn't even get a green light. Don't try to deny Nintendo is focusing in a completly different direction now.
Post by: Urkel on June 14, 2007, 04:36:08 PM
If Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore gamers, produce the evidence that they have done so with the DS. It would make even more sense to dumb down games for a pick-up-and-play experience on portables, but Nintendo hasn't done that. Pokemans is bigger and more complex than ever.
And since when was Project HAMMER considered to be "hardcore", anyway. The gameplay was critcized as being too one dimensional. Sounds more casual than anything. Not that I want this game to be cancelled, but it didn't seem to be all that compelling of an idea. Now, if it had 1:1 hammer controls that would be a different story...
Post by: Pittbboi on June 14, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
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I think you are completely overreacting, I have no idea what more accessible is and neither do you. Technically you could argue RE4 is more accessible.
I don't think so. I didn't quote it earlier, but there was another part of Matt's post that made me think of a very specific audience when the word "accessible" was mentioned:
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Sources further claim that the team formerly working on the title is now underway with one or more efforts that fall into the "expanded audience" lineup of games.
Again, this is only rumor, but if Matt is right this pretty much spells out that Project HAMMER was cut and the team put to work on casual-type games. I'm hoping this isn't true, but I'd say my interpretation of this rumor is far from being a complete overreaction. RE4 Wii is more accessible, but only because the controls make certain aspects of the game easier and more fluid just by their very nature. But RE4 wasn't made "accessible" by dumbing it down.
Post by: Artimus on June 14, 2007, 05:34:04 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 14, 2007, 05:38:34 PM
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Now, if it had 1:1 hammer controls that would be a different story...
For Christ's sake. 1:1 controls ARE NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE WII.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 05:41:46 PM
And if we're going to speculate oveer this article, I'd think this would be more interesting:
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However, IGN Wii has heard separately that Nintendo is actively re-working some traditional games so that they are more accessible by casual players.
Notice the bolding.
What is that? Ome of my first theories was porting Kirby GCN to Wii... but... uh yeah. The only paralell I can imagine to this is like how SK ported MG:TS to the GC, maybe NST is being put to work porting last-gen works (first party or otherwise?) to the wiimote controls.
This suggests that NST is NOT making casual games, but something more akin to wiimakes, more akin to how PoP:TT was reworked for a Wii audience, how ScarFace and Godfather were reworked for the wiimote... or again, Kirby, who has always been aimed at an expanded audience anyways since it was started as a platformer for novices?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 14, 2007, 05:54:22 PM
Post by: Urkel on June 14, 2007, 06:26:19 PM
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Now, if it had 1:1 hammer controls that would be a different story...
For Christ's sake. 1:1 controls ARE NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE WII.
I know true 1:1 isn't possible on Wii. I meant 1:1 as in Wii Baseball where the way I hold the remote is reflected on screen. The way they were using the remote in Project Hammer didn't sound terribly creative. Just a few gestures (three if I'm not mistaken). I doubt the game would've played much different with a traditional controller.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 14, 2007, 06:29:09 PM
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2007, 06:32:05 PM
If Nintendo canceled Project H.A.M.M.E.R., they did so with good reason. If it was still good enough to be salvaged, they would've done so... like Metroid Prime, though there are some games that Nintendo never should have released (at least without some changes) like Wario: Master of Disguise.
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
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But Kairon, in that very quote it says that they're reworking the games to make them more accessible by "casual players." I don't think that's just giving older franchises the Wii treatment. The examples you listed, Scarface and Godfather, were indeed reworked for Wii, but not to make them more accessible for casual players. The were reworked because they had to be to incorporate the motion-sensing capabilities of the wiimote. I don't recall anyone ever saying that those games were reworked specifically for the casual audience. However, that's the case with this rumor. This isn't about taking a older franchise and re-envisioning them with motion controls for the Wii.
I dunno about that. It all depends on how you define casual. Are you defining casual as non-gamer? Or are you defining casual as the sort of person who buys and plays NSMB on the DS? Are you defining them as Nintendogs? Or are you defining them as Pokemon?
Like I said, I can't help but keep returning to the idea behind Kirby here. They're prob not doing Kirby, but Kirby is a perfect example of a traditional game genre being revisited to appeal to a "casual" player, it was created as a beginner's platformer, after all... I guess to a lesser extent Super Princess Peach is as well.
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This quote gives me the impression that these older franchises are going to be re-worked to be more appealing to casual gamers. And we know what that means with Nintendo: simple, short and [arguably] lacking substancial depth.
Hmm... sounds like Super Paper Mario to me!
Post by: Mario on June 14, 2007, 06:47:22 PM
assuming this is actually true.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 14, 2007, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on June 14, 2007, 08:07:47 PM
If the game was canceled it's most likely just because it wasn't turning out any good. Just like Raven Blade probably wasn't.
But for whatever reason when a game like this is canceled there are always people who suddenly believe it was to be the greatest masterpiece of our time that we were cruelly denied. If the game is all that great it will be released. If not then we know we're not missing much.
Post by: Urkel on June 14, 2007, 08:31:50 PM
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But for whatever reason when a game like this is canceled there are always people who suddenly believe it was to be the greatest masterpiece of our time that we were cruelly denied.
It looks like that's already happening. Where was all this Project Hammer love before today?
Post by: Mario on June 14, 2007, 09:16:36 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 14, 2007, 09:27:24 PM
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But for whatever reason when a game like this is canceled there are always people who suddenly believe it was to be the greatest masterpiece of our time that we were cruelly denied.
It looks like that's already happening. Where was all this Project Hammer love before today?
In the original thread shortly after E3 there were many, including myself, that seen potential in the game. Not sure anyone is saying it was going to be a masterpiece but it could have turned out to be a decent game.
Oh yeah to those freaking about the more accessible thing I only have two words for you
"Mature Mario"
Post by: Plugabugz on June 14, 2007, 11:47:40 PM
Post by: Ghisy on June 15, 2007, 02:36:30 AM
I was never really excited about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., it just looked like a basic beat-them-all kind of game. Kind of generic too.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 15, 2007, 05:08:16 AM
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I hope if this is true people don't turn it into another Raven Blade.
If the game was canceled it's most likely just because it wasn't turning out any good. Just like Raven Blade probably wasn't.
But for whatever reason when a game like this is canceled there are always people who suddenly believe it was to be the greatest masterpiece of our time that we were cruelly denied. If the game is all that great it will be released. If not then we know we're not missing much.
Wasn't Raven Blade canceled because Metroid Prime wasn't turning out any good?
Post by: Michael8983 on June 15, 2007, 07:00:52 AM
Supposably Nintendo wanted them to focus on MP for that reason.
But if anything it's assumed that neither game was doing all that well early on and Nintendo decided the only way to get things into shape was to kill one project and have them focus full attention on the other. I think they made the right call.
Post by: Kairon on June 15, 2007, 09:56:04 AM
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After how this holiday season is shaping up I can't see how there won't be a drought at the beginning of the year.
I can't imagine having a drought in early 2008 unless I somehow manage to buy all those holiday 2007 games and beat them before the new year.
PLUS, there will be games that miss their holiday date and just overflow naturally into 2008 on a delay.
Post by: ThePerm on June 15, 2007, 11:00:11 AM
Pit
thats what they should make....
Post by: The Omen on June 15, 2007, 11:20:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Shecky:
And usually that would make sense. But just look at Nintendo's release schedule, they're already making a pretty big push for the casual market with scores of casual games. If this rumor is true and they're canceling gamer games to free up resources for more casual games, and tampering with traditional games to make them more "accessible"...well, that's plenty of reason for a gamer to be ticked off. And besides, it's Nintendo, I'm sure most people would have rather they made an attempt to make the game great (like they do with most of their franchises) than just cut it and work on more casual titles.
Agreed. It's very worrisome to me. However the proof is in the pudding, and until I see or hear that this is happening, I won't go ballistic.
Post by: Ceric on June 15, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
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After how this holiday season is shaping up I can't see how there won't be a drought at the beginning of the year.
I can't imagine having a drought in early 2008 unless I somehow manage to buy all those holiday 2007 games and beat them before the new year.
PLUS, there will be games that miss their holiday date and just overflow naturally into 2008 on a delay.
Agree. Though I'm talking in terms of things physically released.
Post by: Kairon on June 15, 2007, 11:35:18 AM
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After how this holiday season is shaping up I can't see how there won't be a drought at the beginning of the year.
I can't imagine having a drought in early 2008 unless I somehow manage to buy all those holiday 2007 games and beat them before the new year.
PLUS, there will be games that miss their holiday date and just overflow naturally into 2008 on a delay.
Agree. Though I'm talking in terms of things physically released.
Interestingly enough, the XBox 360 has had a pretty good spring '07 after a very, very, very bad spring '06 drought.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 15, 2007, 11:47:59 AM
Post by: Crimm on June 15, 2007, 11:50:30 AM
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Xbox 360 hasn't had that good of a spring, maybe a couple big games but most are throw aways.
Yeah! The Wii got great AAA titles like... uh... Super Paper Mario and... well the PS3 got...hmm... A couple big titles is fair for spring.
Post by: Kairon on June 15, 2007, 12:18:18 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 15, 2007, 12:27:06 PM
I think both are going alright, but both droughts are partially because so many publishers and devs wanted to wait and see the Sony vs. Microsoft initial results, and the few remaining had finally completed a game, or were making something separate from the rest of the gaming world for the Wii.
In short, I'm blaiming Sony for this drought.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 15, 2007, 03:50:51 PM
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Xbox 360 hasn't had that good of a spring, maybe a couple big games but most are throw aways.
Yeah! The Wii got great AAA titles like... uh... Super Paper Mario and... well the PS3 got...hmm... A couple big titles is fair for spring.
Paper Mario, WarioWare, Godfather, Sonic (well that is debatable) to name a few of the AAA Wii titles. The point is that Xbox 360 has been around for a year and it should have had a more impressive showing while the Wii has only been out for a few months. PS3 is even sadder though when it comes to droughts.
Post by: Galford on June 15, 2007, 03:59:37 PM
Nintendo must have spent some time developing this game.
About Nintendo switching resources to make more casual games, believe it.
Many developers have already taken this view with the Wii. Look Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii.
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Nintendo is leading the way for the industry to shift to casual gaming.
I hope you enjoy the ride.
PS- NST's first game was a GBC port of the best SNK game ever made, Crystalis.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 15, 2007, 04:03:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Galford
According to the IGN article Project Hammer was playable at it's debut.
Nintendo must have spent some time developing this game.
About Nintendo switching resources to make more casual games, believe it.
Many developers have already taken this view with the Wii. Look Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii.
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Nintendo is leading the way for the industry to shift to casual gaming.
I hope you enjoy the ride.
PS- NST's first game was a GBC port of the best SNK game ever made, Crystalis.
Capcom does not equal "Many developers".
Post by: IceCold on June 15, 2007, 05:37:01 PM
QuoteThat ad is so lame..
the PS3 is completely unremarkable, which is what makes it so remarkable.
Post by: ThePerm on June 16, 2007, 06:49:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
According to the IGN article Project Hammer was playable at it's debut.
Nintendo must have spent some time developing this game.
About Nintendo switching resources to make more casual games, believe it.
Many developers have already taken this view with the Wii. Look Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii.
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Nintendo is leading the way for the industry to shift to casual gaming.
I hope you enjoy the ride.
PS- NST's first game was a GBC port of the best SNK game ever made, Crystalis.
yeah, but RE:UC looks really nice
Post by: Kairon on June 16, 2007, 08:08:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Yeah, wait a second. I thought we liked RE:4 UC?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 16, 2007, 09:30:17 AM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Yeah, wait a second. I thought we liked RE:4 UC?
I am interested in RE: UC but I am a bit dissapointed that is the route Capcom decided to take, but oh well.
Post by: Ceric on June 16, 2007, 09:31:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Galford
According to the IGN article Project Hammer was playable at it's debut.
Nintendo must have spent some time developing this game.
About Nintendo switching resources to make more casual games, believe it.
Many developers have already taken this view with the Wii. Look Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii.
According to the Famitsu video interview, UC was suppose to have RE4 style gameplay.
It was changed to the current style(Dead Aim/Survivor) so it would be more
accessible to non gamers.
Nintendo is leading the way for the industry to shift to casual gaming.
I hope you enjoy the ride.
PS- NST's first game was a GBC port of the best SNK game ever made, Crystalis.
That game was hard without a guide good but hard...
Also on UC I'm personally glad its a light gun style game.
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 19, 2007, 03:11:24 PM
