Nintendo World Report Forums

Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kairon on June 08, 2007, 12:39:24 PM

Title: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 08, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Anticipating a price drop of the other consoles, should Nintendo drop the Wii's price even though it's still selling out like no one's business? And how much of a price drop?

Should they drop to $200 with their current configuration (one Wiimote, one nunchuck, Wii Sports)?

Or should they drop even further to $150 or $180 fearing competing with a possible XBox 360 Core at $200?

Or how about unbundling Wii Sports, selling that seperately for maybe $40, and dropping the stand-alone bare console for $150?

Or, should they try to increase the value proposition? Should they throw in a copy of Wii Play (still only 1 wiimote pack-ed in though) in addition to Wii Sports?

Or should they switch out Wii Sports for Wii Music... or even better, just add Wii Music as a bundled game so you get 2 bundled games with the system already!

I'm actually pondering against going the two-wiimote route because retail generally likes to sell wiimotesd spereately, there's larger profit margins on accessories... Or maybe retail doesn't have a choice if they want stock of awesome product like the Wii?

Could we see the return of those N64-esque bundles where you get a bonus controller with the system?

Or should Nintendo NOT price-drop at all even? After all, they're still selling out. What would a price-drop achieve?

AAAAHHHHH!!!! So many options!!!!
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 08, 2007, 12:55:57 PM
Bundles that don't include extra games don't increase perceived value very well, IMO, even if actual value increases greatly.

I think they could cut out Wii Sports and sell it for $30, docking $70 off the price of the system for that in combination with the decreasing cost of production.
Basically, it will give a perceived $70 price drop with an actual $40 drop.

The next drop after that won't be a drop, but instead a bundle, where the buyer gets to choose one of a select number of titles, like they did on the GC.  Probably Metroid, Mario, Smash, and something else, like Disaster: DoC or Project Hammer.  It depends, though.

Then, they'll drop to 150 and cut out the game deal.  Eventually, they'll take it to 120, then do 120 w/ some software deal, then down to 100, after some long time.

That's my guess, we'll have to look back and see what happens.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Louieturkey on June 08, 2007, 01:26:34 PM
No price drop is needed this year.  They are still selling out and when Metroid and Mario and Smash come out, more hardcore gamers will pick this baby up.  

Even if the 360 drops, I wouldn't be suprised if they drop the core system altogether and only drop the Premium by $50.  They are making money on these and won't drop again until they would make money on them even with a price drop.  Eventually, the Elite will probably be the only sku in about 2-3 years and it'll be at $300 by then.  Though they may keep the Premium just to be able to sell more $120gig HDs.

PS3 has the best chance of dropping by $100 this fall.  They want to spur sales badly and with other Bluray players going for $500 now, they want to keep this thing selling as a bluray player as well.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 08, 2007, 01:35:35 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Even if the 360 drops, I wouldn't be suprised if they drop the core system altogether and only drop the Premium by $50.  They are making money on these and won't drop again until they would make money on them even with a price drop.  Eventually, the Elite will probably be the only sku in about 2-3 years and it'll be at $300 by then.  Though they may keep the Premium just to be able to sell more $120gig HDs.


Why do you think that MS will so deliberately avoid having an SKU under $300 when they've just out and said that $200 is a mass market price point they need to hit?  
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: BigJim on June 08, 2007, 01:38:14 PM
MS wants the Core to eventually compete in Wii pricing territory, so while it might make sense on the surface to dump the Core because it is gimped, I don't think they will. Don't be surprised when they are the same price at some point.

As long as Wiis are selling out, there's no excuse to reduce the price from their perspective. I can't imagine a realistic scenario that would require them to go under $199 with the same SKU for a while.    
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 08, 2007, 01:44:59 PM
That's an interesting scenario... The Wii offers something no one else can: the wiimote, which is perceived as truly next-gen, truly new, and a step closer to virtual reality. It could conceivably be sold at a price HIGHER than the XBox 360 core (especially when you factor in the price of a 360 memory card...ugh).
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 08, 2007, 03:06:28 PM
Look,  I'll say it again.  Dropping the Price of the Wii would be the stupidest move Nintendo could make.  Its at a low price for a consumer electronic already.  If Nintendo needs to spark sales they can throw in a classic controller or even better yet sell a new color.  I know more than a few people who buy a second Wii for a new color not to mention people who would finally purchase a Wii if it wasn't just white.  Maybe even keep the price the same and up the internal Flash memory.  Wiipoints.

Nintendo has a lot options to explore before a price drop.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 08, 2007, 03:31:22 PM
Are you sh!tting me? The Wii hasn't even been out for a year. They're not going to drop the price any time soon.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 08, 2007, 06:52:20 PM
Nintendo can't even meet current demand, they are selling systems as fast as they ship them. Nintendo isn't even thinking about dropping the price yet (nor should they, it would be a stupid thing to do business-wise).

When they do drop the price, it will most likely be dropped to $230 and Wii Sports removed from the package. I don't see this happening until E3 2008. The system definitely won't be $150 for several years.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 08, 2007, 07:47:28 PM
I wouldn't drop the price, removing Wii Sports would be a bad idea because those discs and cases take cents to make but increase the retail value substantially while also making sure people have their first encounter with the new controls offered by the Wii in a controlled environment so they learn that it works before playing some crappy movie tie-in that is uncontrollable. Letting them play whatever game they bought first would make them believe that it's the fault of the input device if the game sucks.

What I could see is replacing Wii Sports with a newer pack-in if I wanted to demo any new Wii features with it (e.g. online play).

I know Nintendo perceives pack-ins as a bad thing because it means the customer won't buy a new game as quickly but pack-ins like Wii Sports are so simple that they don't really stop sales of other games and the Wii already costs 50€ more than previous Nintendo systems anyway, the pack-in helps justify that.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: King of Twitch on June 08, 2007, 09:33:42 PM
Dropping the price smacks of desperation this early in the game.  
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 08, 2007, 09:35:54 PM
I think dropping Wiisports would be a HUGE mistake unless they have a comparable alternative. Wiisports is one of the games that is still selling the system and is the perfect game that shows what the Wii can do, not to mention it provides countless hours of enjoyment.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 08, 2007, 10:36:39 PM
Okay, okay, geez... I get the picture already. Don't drop the price, keep Wii Sports packed in.... and release a Black Wii.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Shift Key on June 08, 2007, 10:49:00 PM
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 09, 2007, 04:58:06 AM
There is only two reasons Nintendo would drop the price either if the 360 drop substancailly or there is a slow down in sales.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 05:01:19 AM
I disagree, a little bit.  At some point, everyone who buys a Wii will know what Wii Sports is.  At that point, there's no reason to bundle it in anymoire, because the person will most likely plan to buy it.

On top of that, I felt like Nintendo chose a price point to launch with that they were ready to drop at any time.  I think most of us know that big money is being made from each Wii sold, and as time passes, the amount of money gets increasingly large, not to mention that Wii Sports itself has long passed the point where it's pure profit.

If Microsoft crosses into the Wii's price range, Nintendo should retaliate in some way.  They'd still make large profits, and they'd take the buzz away from the 360's drop.  Even if they dropped to $230 or something.  Nintendo doesn't need to take their chances if they want to be sure to get to the top.  They've got to remain an aggressive player, and letting the Xbox drop price unanswered is not the way to do so, especially with Halo 3 on the horizon.

I think the real question is whether or not Microsoft can afford to drop the price or not, relative to those losses they've made in the gaming sector the last six or so years.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2007, 06:38:42 AM
I disagree.  Lets take the extreme case and the PS3 60gig and the 360 Elite both drop to $250 tomorrow.  Does everyone honestly think that people will stop buying Wii's immediately?  At that point the true test comes out.  Is the innovation worth it?  If it is then these two price drops wouldn't phase Wii sells in the slightest.  If it is not then these two price drops will go on to destroy the Wii.

By reading thread like these you would think that the Wii had only the Price going for it.  If that was the case then why did the Gamecube sell out all the time?  As mentioned there are lots of options Nintendo could pursue rather then a price drop.  Unless those don't work and the Wii starts to be very common a price drop would still be fiscally irresponsible.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2007, 07:09:58 AM
I agree, even if the competition drops prices Nintendo wouldn't have to, the Wii sells because it's the Wii, not because people can't afford a 360. Also the 360 core won't ever get a pricedrop, the packin stuff in the Premium is probably sold a lot over cost so it has more of a buffer than the core for cutting prices.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 07:17:52 AM
But let's imagine the PS3 drops price, and then advertises a graphic-intensive PS3 sports.  What happens then?  What happens when the 360 drops price and offers Halo 3?  At least Halo 3 is a system seller.  Halo 2 sold 8 million copies, and apparently, about half the 360's owners didn't own the original Xbox.  What happens when all those people jump on board.  Yes, I see what you're saying, that the Wii has something no one else has now, but the PS3 could get it soon, and the 360 also has a heavy hitting, fastest-sellling-game-ever powerhouse coming along too.  That's something the Wii can never have.  Now imagine the 360 drops to either $250 or $200.  The Wii now has motion controls over the 360, but it no longer has price, nor does it have something that is the sequel to the fastest selling game, does it?

Haven't we learned from the Playstation and the Xbox that if you cut your competitors some slack, they will take it and use it to surpass you?  Didn't Nintendo lose out in the first place from being too confident?  Then last generation, how did the Xbox surpass the Gamecube?  There had to be mistakes there, right?  So isn't possible that Nintendo's competition is fierce, and is looking for any way to surpass Nintendo's sales and success?

Regardless, a price drop isn't going to hurt Nintendo.  They aren't going to lose money off of the Wii any time soon.  If they can encourage and already hemorrhaging Microsoft to lose more money by forcing them to drop price, which could eventually drive MS out of the industry, shouldn't they do it?  Isn't that a smart decision?  Wouldn't we say the same thing about Sony?  It wouldn't be illegal to do so, because Nintendo wouldn't even be losing money on each Wii sold.

Regardless, I think that if MS drops the 360's price, Nintendo should wait a week, gather up sales numbers of that week quickly, and if supplies outnumber demands for the Wii, Nintendo should follow suit the week after, so they don't lose any ground.  You have to remember this isn't a game, and Nintendo has lost from a similar position they've been in before.  Of course, you also have to wonder whether or not Nintendo is out to make a huge profit or if it is out to make a huge profit.  If they don't care about the numbers of consoles sold, then they might not want to lower prices, either, that just depends.

Also, remember that Nintendo originally wanted to offer the Wii at a price under $250, and that retailers pressured them into something higher, so that the retailers could actually make something off of system sales.  That screams that the Wii has the ability to have the price dropped just a bit, too, and Nintendo wouldn't mind, so long as it was done for good reason.  
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 09, 2007, 07:23:44 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: thatguy and the 360 also has a heavy hitting, fastest-sellling-game-ever powerhouse coming along too.  That's something the Wii can never have.


Never say never.

Just because the Wii doesn't have that game right now doesn't mean that the game couldn't come out of nowhere and take this generation by storm.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 07:30:38 AM
I'm saying the Wii doesn't have Halo.  I do think the Wii could have that kind of game, but the Wii will never have Halo, which is currently the franchise of which the fastest selling game belongs.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: WuTangTurtle on June 09, 2007, 07:37:16 AM
I'm pretty sure Halo is not the fastest selling game, maybe for xbox though.  As for the Wii cutting it's price, i wouldn't recommend it at this point.  I say let the competitors drop in price to compete first, then wait to see if you even need to make a move.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 07:44:26 AM
Halo 2 was.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Galford on June 09, 2007, 08:04:18 AM
Nintendo should cut the price only if a price drop on the 360 causes the Wii to stop selling.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Pale on June 09, 2007, 08:05:48 AM
May have already been predicted... but my guess is 199.99 for Black Friday of 08.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2007, 08:11:03 AM
But let's imagine the PS3 drops price, and then advertises a graphic-intensive PS3 sports. What happens then?

Nothing because people aren't looking for a pretty sports game, they want Wiimote action.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2007, 09:45:03 AM
Let's not forget that Nintendo is "NOT COMPETING." If Halo moves XBox 360s, that shouldn't be a bad thing. If the Wii stops selling, THEN that's a bad thing. They're not necessarily linked.

I agree with those who think Wii Sports should stay packed-in. Nintendo needs player's experiences with the Wiimote to be a good one, and Wii Sports ensures that so that the Wii's hype, viral marketting, and non-gamer acceptance can continue to grow.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 09, 2007, 10:09:45 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
But let's imagine the PS3 drops price, and then advertises a graphic-intensive PS3 sports. What happens then?

Nothing because people aren't looking for a pretty sports game, they want Wiimote action.


Also Wii-remote action is much better and feels much more comfortable and natural than SIXAXIS action. Seriously how would you describe to a person(with no knowledge at all on videogames) that you can swing a bat on the SIXAXIS without touching any buttons vs describing to a person(with no knowledge at all on videogames) that you can swing a bat on the Wii remote without touching buttons.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Nemo on June 09, 2007, 10:21:48 AM
Nintendo makes profit on each box sold. I'm not sure how much, but I want to say I heard at launch it probably cost them $220 for the whole package. (Anyone know about this for sure?) I want to say that figure included costs of developing Wii Sports. Wii Sports has paid for itself by now. I'd say they could probably drop to $200 with the same package whenever they want. And they'll only want to do that to increase sales. You can't increase sales past constantly "sold out", so it'll be a while, but it's good for Nintendo that they can drop price whenever they feel like it makes sense.  Like other people said, it'd make sense to drop price once sales start to taper off (or significantly less than the rate at which they can manufacture them). That could happen when other consoles drop in price, but it's hard to say for sure when it'll be.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: MarioAllStar on June 09, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
Didn't Nintendo essentially brag about how cheap the Wii was when the 250 USD price announcement was made? I would be very surprised if they only made $30 per unit initially.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 09, 2007, 11:12:37 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: thatguy
I'm saying the Wii doesn't have Halo.  I do think the Wii could have that kind of game, but the Wii will never have Halo, which is currently the franchise of which the fastest selling game belongs.


Lets see here

Halo 2 - 8.19 million worldwide

Since Halo 2 was released Nintendo games that have outsold it

Nintendogs - 13.61 million worldwide
New Super Mario Bros - 9.73 million worldwide


As you can see Nintendo does have games that are more popular then Halo.  The reason none of there Gamecube games outsold Halo 2 was because the Gamecube became unpopular and had a smaller user base.  But when Nintendo systems have a larger user base like the DS, they have software that can easily match and surpass Halo.

I see both Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros Brawl as the two games that can easily match Halo 3.  Mario Galaxy is being viewed as the true successor to Mario 64.  Mario 64 sold over 11 million copies worldwide so if Galaxy ends up like 64 then it can easily surpass Halo.  

Plus on the issue of Smash Bros, Melee sold 6.5 million copies worldwide and the Gamecube only had a user base of around 21 million.  This means about 1/3 of all Gamecube owners owned it, just like 1/3 of the 24 million Xbox owners owned Halo 2.  This fall the Wii and 360 will have the same sized user base meaning if the attachment radio for the previous games was about the same, Brawl has a chance of matching the sales of Halo 3.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: BigJim on June 09, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
I'm not sure if it was published anywhere per se, but I heard costs were roughly $220-$230... retailers took about $10 off the top, and Nintendo took in anywhere from $10-$20, depending on whether it was $220 or $230. (The short-lived rumors before launch of a $230 price weren't meritless.)

Whatever Nintendo profitted at the beginning, you can probably add an additional $10-$15 to it right now today. I say this loosely based on the fact that Nintendo was losing just under $10 per GameCube at first, but it broke even by Spring and slowly made coin from that point on. So $220 would be doable today if they NEEDED to. But they obviously don't.

My prediction: Core stays alive, drops to $250 by the Holidays. Wii stays $250 until spring, then dropping to $200.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 11:29:46 AM
Alright, I see what you're saying.  I suppose that I want the Wii's price to stay at least competitive with the Core's price.  By that, I mean they at least match it if necessary.  I'm not sure what Nintendo will do, because there is room to drop, but you prove pretty well that there's probably won't be a reason to, or at least, not a reason to drop very much, during event of Halo 3 and a price drop.

If something happens then, and in say, two weeks after that launch, Wii's aren't selling out, Nintendo should drop the price, but I don't think it will be necessary for that, especially right before Christmas.  I think we may see a drop next March, then.  I guess that will be my guess.  Next March.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
I say a new color next March and a price drop for the holiday if sales are down.  If not, maybe a new color or bundle for the holidays.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2007, 12:49:51 PM
But Thatguy pointed out that Christmas sales are going to be explosive anyways, no matter the Wii's price. I'm thinking more about a new color this holiday season, and a price drop next March.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: thatguy and the 360 also has a heavy hitting, fastest-sellling-game-ever powerhouse coming along too.  That's something the Wii can never have.


Never say never.

Just because the Wii doesn't have that game right now doesn't mean that the game couldn't come out of nowhere and take this generation by storm.


Wait a second, Halo series is the fastest selling series ever?
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 09, 2007, 01:59:15 PM
Halo 2 was the fastest selling game title, according to the Guinness Book, IIRC.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 09, 2007, 02:24:32 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Quote

Halo 2 - 8.19 million worldwide

Since Halo 2 was released Nintendo games that have outsold it

Nintendogs - 13.61 million worldwide
New Super Mario Bros - 9.73 million worldwide


I'd like to see the source of these numbers.

Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2007, 02:48:33 PM
Luigi Dude's numbers seem about right to me, I remember hearing about them elsewhere, and how the 4+ versions of Nintendogs had sold, at the time, more than 11 million worldwide.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: IceCold on June 09, 2007, 08:44:36 PM
Quote

Halo 2 was the fastest selling game title, according to the Guinness Book, IIRC.
That doesn't mean it has the most appeal or has sold the most. It just means that the people who wanted it wanted it a lot and quickly.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 09, 2007, 09:10:28 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Quote

Halo 2 - 8.19 million worldwide

Since Halo 2 was released Nintendo games that have outsold it

Nintendogs - 13.61 million worldwide
New Super Mario Bros - 9.73 million worldwide


I'd like to see the source of these numbers.


Halo numbers

Nintendogs and New Super Mario Bros numbers

I dont see why people think Halo is this unstoppable series.  The only record Halo has is it sold 2.5 million copies in one day, which is the quickest any games sold so quickly.  But other then that there are many games that have sold more then Halo 2.

I'm too lazy to post all of them but look at the charts here that show the top selling videogames of all time, it shows where Halo really stands in the world.  
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2007, 09:33:50 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Quote

Halo 2 - 8.19 million worldwide

Since Halo 2 was released Nintendo games that have outsold it

Nintendogs - 13.61 million worldwide
New Super Mario Bros - 9.73 million worldwide


I'd like to see the source of these numbers.


Halo numbers

Nintendogs and New Super Mario Bros numbers

I dont see why people think Halo is this unstoppable series.  The only record Halo has is it sold 2.5 million copies in one day, which is the quickest any games sold so quickly.  But other then that there are many games that have sold more then Halo 2.

I'm too lazy to post all of them but look at the charts here that show the top selling videogames of all time, it shows where Halo really stands in the world.


Not to attack Halo but I think the big reason why Halo 2 sold so fast was because of the online, and it has been so long since there are not that many good exclusive FPS out there for consoles (Not to mention ones that have a solid online experience), even if the Halo series pales in comparison to the PC shooters. Halo 3 should be interesting to watch though, and see how it does, i am sure it will sell a butt load but I wonder if it will surpass Halo 2 in sales.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Shift Key on June 09, 2007, 11:00:53 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
I dont see why people think Halo is this unstoppable series.


I actually agree with *insert random poster who I don't actually know*. I do enjoy the occasional Halo match (even though I suck, an occasional shotgun to the face is still enjoyable), and I intend to buy a 360 when the personal funds situation improves, but it isn't the most popular series ever. Not by a long shot. Although it is integral to the success of the Xbox product, it has a long way to go before it becomes a dominant force in the industry.

Quote

Originally posted by: thatguy
Halo 2 was the fastest selling game title, according to the Guinness Book, IIRC.


I checked the Guinness site (they make terrible beer, boo-urns to them) and I couldn't find a record for any kind of game. But if you can show me the numbers or even a quote then I'm happy to acknowledge Halo 2. But initial sales (which can be subject to debate due to pre-orders etc etc) are not the definition of a successful product. Total sales are.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 10, 2007, 01:44:29 AM
Guinnes is known to have a quality inversely proportional to your distance to the main brewery.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: UncleBob on June 10, 2007, 02:31:58 AM
i wonder id SSB can outdo Halo 2's first day sales...
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 10, 2007, 04:34:02 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: UncleBob
i wonder id SSB can outdo Halo 2's first day sales...


No.  Heres why I think that.  How many people here immediately rush to the store on the first day and buy their most anticipated Nintendo titles?  Not many.  Over the years, from what I've seen, its always been assumed that if Nintendo published it there be enough copies for you to pick it up in the first week if you want it.  Now expand that to a casual audience and you have people who are more likely to wait for a convenient oppurtunity to pick up a game.  In the end even with online I don't think this will break that record because of the simple diversity of the gamers on Nintendo platforms and the number of heavy hitters that are all releasing near.  Now do I think this game has the possibility to outsell the top selling Halo?  Definitely.  All of them Combined, if its as good as Melee I give it a shot.  Though the Wii user base would have to keep growing like kudzu for that to happen.  
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 10, 2007, 07:02:05 AM
Edit:  Nevermind, he picture I posted was for the record on beating Halo 2, or something.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 10, 2007, 07:08:57 AM
My theory on why Brawl won't sell more copies on the first day than Halo: Xbox users were starved for good games. Wii users aren't.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: IceCold on June 10, 2007, 08:29:10 AM
It'll be interesting to compare their lifetime sales, though..
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 10, 2007, 08:43:39 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
My theory on why Brawl won't sell more copies on the first day than Halo: Xbox users were starved for good games. Wii users aren't.


Then where are those mythical Wii games?
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2007, 09:01:44 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
Quote

Originally posted by: UncleBob
i wonder id SSB can outdo Halo 2's first day sales...


No.  Heres why I think that.  How many people here immediately rush to the store on the first day and buy their most anticipated Nintendo titles?  Not many.  Over the years, from what I've seen, its always been assumed that if Nintendo published it there be enough copies for you to pick it up in the first week if you want it.  Now expand that to a casual audience and you have people who are more likely to wait for a convenient oppurtunity to pick up a game.  In the end even with online I don't think this will break that record because of the simple diversity of the gamers on Nintendo platforms and the number of heavy hitters that are all releasing near.  Now do I think this game has the possibility to outsell the top selling Halo?  Definitely.  All of them Combined, if its as good as Melee I give it a shot.  Though the Wii user base would have to keep growing like kudzu for that to happen.


I'm thinking the same thing.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Nemo on June 10, 2007, 10:41:28 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
My theory on why Brawl won't sell more copies on the first day than Halo: Xbox users were starved for good games. Wii users aren't.


Then where are those mythical Wii games?


Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Strikers will be out by the time SSBB comes out.  The games you're looking for are in... the future. :B
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2007, 07:58:33 AM
I wouldn't drop the price until the Wii sales slow down enough that anyone can walk into a store and buy a Wii.  Aside from a price cut at this point being somewhat reduncant if the product in the store is eaten up immediately after it arrives the price cut loses a lot of it's marketing value.  Part of the appeal of a price cut is people who were on the fence seeing the new price and thinking "Ah, what the hell?  At THIS price I might as well get one."  That happens from TV ads and seeing the lower price tag at the store in front of a display and seeing the price in a store flyer.  The "look it's the Wii and it's CHEAPER" push can't happen if the Wii is nowhere to be found.

And WiiSports should be a pack-in forever.  At what point did Nintendo change the NES pack-in from Super Mario Bros?  Did they ever?  A pack-in game not only comes across as a great deal but it also harks back to the good ol' days where your console came with a game.  Removing that may have a negative effect.  Remember that part of Nintendo's target demo includes people who gave up gaming years ago.  Those people remember when pack-ins were the norm and probably see Nintendo doing that as a step in the right direction.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 11, 2007, 08:02:55 AM
If they ever unbundle Wii Sports, they're idiots.

It's the propagator of the Wii virus which everyone who plays it catches.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 11, 2007, 08:17:34 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If they ever unbundle Wii Sports, they're idiots.

It's the propagator of the Wii virus which everyone who plays it catches.


Unfortunately, I think Nintendo will unbundle it at one point.

I think someone will say "Well, even if it has done a great job of turning the Wii into the massive hit that it is I think its time to retire Wii Sports and either include a new game with the Wii or just sell the system alone at a much cheaper price".

History has shown us that no bundled console last beyond its first year. The NES was eventually sold without Super Mario Bros. . Same with the Genesis and Super NES. So eventually, the Wii will lose Wii Sports. Unless, they realize that Wii Sports is far too vital in order to remove it.

We'll see...
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 11, 2007, 08:29:48 AM
If we're playing the uninformed prediction game, I'll play.  When sales start to taper off,Nintendo will first release the black Wii at the same price.  No less than six months later, they'll release more colors and drop the price at the same time.  I also think that when the new colors hit, they'll pack in Wii Sports and Wii Play on one disc.  If they ever stop bundling a game, it'll happen when they reach $99, but I'm not so sure they'll ever drop to that point if the Wii stays popular.  It was sort of a desperation move with the Gamecube.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 11, 2007, 08:41:35 AM
Didn't the NES start life without Super Mario Bros.?
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 11, 2007, 09:13:11 AM
I think by next year, anyone interested in a Wii will know what Wii Sports is, meaning that Nintendo could un-bundle, and nearly all new Wii owners would still buy it, barring a better version getting released.  The same thing happened with Tetris on the Game Boy, with Super Mario Bros. on the NES, and with Super Mario World on the SNES.  Once the mass consumers know what a the pack-in game is, and what it does, it no longer has to be packed in.

Sonic 2 on the Genesis is another example.  Dropping the game from the bundle and dropping the Wii's price the value of the game would earn the same money, but have a higher perceived value.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 11, 2007, 05:28:23 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
pack in Wii Sports and Wii Play on one disc.


AWESOME.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 11, 2007, 07:02:35 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
Didn't the NES start life without Super Mario Bros.?


Yes. The NES launched in October 1985 in New York, followed by Los Angles in February 1986. It wasn't until Fall 1986 that it went national and Super Mario Bros. was released. Eventually the NES did stop being bundeled with SMB, although it was bundled with Super Mario Bros. 3 as well.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 12, 2007, 04:23:33 AM
This is an interesting debate.

I agree that the Wiimote is the innovation that has the Wii selling and surrounds the system with positive hype.

But I also believe that Price is hurting potential sales of the Xbox 360 and PS3, because the cost of those two systems is higher than many people are willing to pay.

So a price cut on the Xbox 360 would cut into the sales of the Wii.  People would have a choice, a system with great online play and superior graphics, or a system with a brand new control style and a new generation of non-gamer games.

It could go either way, but Nintendo would be dumb not to get aggressive and lower the price some...even a minor price cut can help.  $224.99 is a great initial price cut if Xbox 360 ever got a competitive price cut.  $199.99 would be perfect, and could be a cut sustainable for a full year...and may be the way to go.

I would not predict a price cut until Holiday season 2007.  Black Friday would be a great day to announce a price cut.  The Wii will have a very strong lineup for online games, Nintendo franchise games, and a good 2nd generation 3rd party game support.  It is the perfect time to get a price cut in and push market dominance.  

Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2007, 06:19:45 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
This is an interesting debate.

I agree that the Wiimote is the innovation that has the Wii selling and surrounds the system with positive hype.

But I also believe that Price is hurting potential sales of the Xbox 360 and PS3, because the cost of those two systems is higher than many people are willing to pay.

So a price cut on the Xbox 360 would cut into the sales of the Wii.  People would have a choice, a system with great online play and superior graphics, or a system with a brand new control style and a new generation of non-gamer games.

It could go either way, but Nintendo would be dumb not to get aggressive and lower the price some...even a minor price cut can help.  $224.99 is a great initial price cut if Xbox 360 ever got a competitive price cut.  $199.99 would be perfect, and could be a cut sustainable for a full year...and may be the way to go.

I would not predict a price cut until Holiday season 2008.  Black Friday would be a great day to announce a price cut.  The Wii will have a very strong lineup for online games, Nintendo franchise games, and a good 2nd generation 3rd party game support.  It is the perfect time to get a price cut in and push market dominance.


Their we go.  I just saved you some face.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: vherub on June 12, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
wait, when did the nes (in the us) stop having a bundled game? or the snes/genesi for that matter?
I thought for the longest time a pack-in game was the norm.

As for a pricedrop, maybe a year from now people can start debating that, or if the wii should come bundled with some vc points. Even then, I don't see a price drop before holiday 2008.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 13, 2007, 03:35:46 AM
All I am saying with my post is that   IF Microsoft drops the price of the Xbox 360 to a more competitive price with the Wii.  Nintendo needs to react with some sort of price cut or bundle.

Personally, I think a price cut is the way to go, because Nintendo can still easily make money on the Wii with a price cut, and make a profit on a game sold.  Where if you change the bundle to include a different game then Nintendo will lose that purchase of a game.

Another option could be to keep the system the same price and pack in another controller and Nunchuck so you can start playing multiplayer games out of the box...or even packing in Wii Play and Wii Sports.  

But to do nothing is not smart.

As of right now the Wiis two biggest advantages are the new controller and price.  Taking one of those away could really hurt Nintendo in the long haul of this generation.  

Besides an early price cut could be a good thing...specially when some people believe that in 3 years a Wii 2 could be released that is HD compatiable with better graphics and such.

Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2007, 03:53:16 AM
To tell everyone the utmost truth.  If the 360 becomes the set top box of choice for IPTV and the service really takes off.  Then I probably do a price drop and a new color what have you.  Because at that point the cost of a 360 is relatively zelch and it will be in a lot of homes that would never even consider buying a game console.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: UncleBob on June 15, 2007, 12:07:02 PM
Y'all are forgetting what has been widely hinted that Nintendo may do for the Holidays.

Wii + DVD.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: that Baby guy on June 15, 2007, 12:56:13 PM
Where has that been hinted at?  I've only gotten the impression that it could happen in Japan, and even then, it hasn't been hinted at much, as far as I know.  Do you know something we don't, Unclebob?
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: UncleBob on June 15, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
no
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: thebondster on June 15, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Instead of a Price drop, I think it should include a second remote AND Wii play. By the time they do the price drop anyway, they should be able to afford that. A system with 2 remotes and 2 games...would be hard to beat.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 16, 2007, 04:39:38 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: thebondster
Instead of a Price drop, I think it should include a second remote AND Wii play. By the time they do the price drop anyway, they should be able to afford that. A system with 2 remotes and 2 games...would be hard to beat.


I ax WiiPlay and instead include 2 complete Wiimote Sets (Classic, Nunchuch, Wiimote) and 400 WiiPoints .
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on June 16, 2007, 08:06:48 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric

I ax WiiPlay and instead include 2 complete Wiimote Sets (Classic, Nunchuch, Wiimote) and 400 WiiPoints .


But.... but... you can't get ANYTHING with 400 Wii Points!

That reminds me of one of my oldest ideas: pack in a voucher for a free download of Super Mario Bros. (NES).
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Ceric on June 16, 2007, 09:33:04 AM
Ah, but Kairon thats the point.  So right there Nintendo just got a minimum of 10 extra dollars from you
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on October 08, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
With rumors of a new Wii bundle in the wild, I was reminded of this thread... and a new idea! Sony used to pack in two cheap old third-party games with the PS2, and MS too (in fact, MS is doing it with the 360 this fall). What if Nintendo did that too? You know, a Wii bundle with some launch Wii games... A Wii with Trauma Center and Elebits included, in fact?
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: wulffman04 on October 08, 2007, 07:26:09 PM
I think Nintendo will announce a new color this fall. But, no price drop
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2007, 02:09:39 AM
I think with this new UPC code popping up we can see exactly what Nintendo's holiday plan is.  Added Value.  Probably for the same price releasing Wii +Wii Sports + Wii Big Brain Academy.  This would be looked upon as a pretty good bargain.  they could even throw another Wiimote in there for a really nice bargain.

Personally, I would have liked Nintendo to just go to $199.99

Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: couchmonkey on October 09, 2007, 11:09:46 AM
I think the added value concept makes good sense - the system is going to be sold out even if Microsoft has a competitive price (honestly, if price matters that much, why isn't Core selling really well at $280?) and adding Big Brain Academy to the bundle could hook new gamers on something beyond Wii Sports and Wii Play.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2007, 11:15:45 AM
The Core isn't selling well at 280 because everyone knows to actually USE your 360 you have to shell out another hundred or so bucks for a HDD, wireless controllers, and HD cables.  
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: couchmonkey on October 10, 2007, 03:47:31 AM
Exactly.  So would dropping it to $250 or even less REALLY cut in to Nintendo's sales?  I doubt it.  I don't think that $30 is the magical gap between mass market and hardcore.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2007, 05:38:04 AM
Nintendo is still selling out all of its shipments. As soon as supply exceeds demands then Nintendo can start worrying about incentives, but that won't be a problem until after the holidays at the very earliest. Its going to be selling out until at least January as it is...
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Kairon on November 23, 2007, 06:46:56 AM
I know that you were wondering how Wii Fit figured into the equation Chozo Ghost. Maybe Nintendo could bundle Wii Fit in with the Wii to replace Wii Sports at $250? Then Wii could be sold stand-alone at $200, and Wii Sports seperately at $30 or $40.... this "price-drop + new bundle + unbundling of Wii Sports" happen for X-mas 2008...
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2007, 07:06:20 AM
I think by Xmas '08 I think the Wii should have WiiSports/WiiFit bundle and keep the $250 price tag.
But if WiiFit is still selling incredibly well on its own by then, than just a WiiSports/WiiPlay bundle (1 disc)including the second controller.
I don't think they should lower the price for quite some time if they don't have to.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: IceCold on November 23, 2007, 09:59:36 AM
What's the record length for a game system before the initial price cut?
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: UncleBob on November 23, 2007, 10:08:46 AM
Gah...  We've been getting tons of people asking "Will you have Wiis on sale the day after Thanksgiving"... Jesus people... no no no.
Title: RE: What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 12, 2007, 11:19:11 PM
I see no reason for a price drop in the near future. Have you guys seen the prices Wiis are selling for on Ebay or Amazon? Man... the Wii has gone UP in value. Nintendo needs to be thinking about raising the price and not dropping it, lol.
Title: RE:What are Nintendo's options for a Wii Price Drop or increased value?
Post by: clevelandst124 on December 13, 2007, 08:43:56 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I think by Xmas '08 I think the Wii should have WiiSports/WiiFit bundle and keep the $250 price tag.
But if WiiFit is still selling incredibly well on its own by then, than just a WiiSports/WiiPlay bundle (1 disc)including the second controller.
I don't think they should lower the price for quite some time if they don't have to.


They should cut the price of the wii in the summer.  For one reason, domination.  They need to act cuthroat like Sony and Microsoft and take the market for storm the way the PS2 did.  And they can do it.  They just need to A.  Get supply fixed.  I think in March or April you should finally be able to go in a store and buy a wii.  That gives them a few months to build up supply again.

B.  Lower the price.  $199 looks alot better than $249.  Realistically the wii should have started at $300, but it's too late now.  During the summer Microsoft should get the arcade to at least $249 and that have quite a bit of momentum in the US as well.

So while packins are a decent way to add value, I think the $ is the most important thing.