Post by: Bill Aurion on May 25, 2007, 01:48:51 AM
The game is looking fantastic so far, and I'm really digging the more Zelda-ish direction it's taking...While I'm not holding out for a release this year, I hope SE takes the time to turn this into a gem...
Post by: Requiem on May 25, 2007, 01:54:34 AM
This is the first RPG in a while, that I actually want to learn more about. The last game being Skies of Arcadia.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 02:26:24 AM
I have to say that I'm really surprised with the trailer. I had originally counted this game out because I really wasn't able to play the first CC the way it was meant to be played, and I thought it would be more of the same based on the first trailer. But it seems that the reason it took so long for us to get a shred of info on Crystal Bearer's was because Square-Enix has seemingly scrapped everything that was in that first trailer and started fresh. I have to say this has jumped up to MUST HAVE for me, and if it gets any better I'll end up anticipating this game more than FFXIII.
I'm happy that they got rid of the Precious Moments chibi look from the first game (And CB trailer). The game looks a lot more Final Fantasy than the first one did (that city he runs through reminds me of FFXII). It also looks like Squeenix isn't going to bash us over the head with multiplayer this time, and instead focus on an engaging single-player. I didn't see anything that looked multiplayer at all in the trailer. And, while the gameplay looks more Kingdom Hearts than Zelda to me, I can't say I'm disappointed. It looks like they've fleshed out the action aspect of the series without, hopefully, losing any of the RPG aspects (which a lot of people speculated to be the case). Story-wise, I get a very Peter Pan and the Lost Boys vibe from the game, which I'm also excited about.
I know a lot of people are dissing Squeenix and how they seem to be mass producing RPGs at the moment (FFXIII, looking at you), and while I don't necessarily share that opinion, I do have to admit that watching that trailer filled me with the kind of excitement I haven't experienced for an RPG since Square's golden years on the Playstation.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 25, 2007, 02:31:42 AM
Post by: Pale on May 25, 2007, 02:55:27 AM
The trailer seems to point to pre-created characters (a la the later FF games) instead of the cool create-a-character feature of the original. This kind of makes me sad.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 03:07:47 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 03:26:24 AM
I did see low polygon count for a main character who's probably made of less than 10,000 polygons (Leon is made on 10,000). I see solid texture work, but nothing PS2 can't do. I saw very clearly the indirect textures used for the magic, and that was about it.
I also notice the quality didn't exactly look like a direct feed video either. Honestly, I don't know if this game will be graphically impressive until I can actually see something clearer and in better detail. Right now, it's just a good looking PS2 game and nothing else. Graphically, it's definitely no Super Mario Galaxy, or even Dewy's Adventure.
Post by: Pale on May 25, 2007, 03:48:52 AM
Try not to take graphics so quantitatively and you'll be happier with your Wii.
Post by: Requiem on May 25, 2007, 03:51:02 AM
We are talking about the game....the GAME looks fantastic.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 03:54:01 AM
And besides, I think it's the gameplay and the fact that this is the first major RPG announced for the Wii that has more to do with why everyone's excited.
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It's called great art direction Terranigma.
Agree with this.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 25, 2007, 04:03:26 AM
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Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2007, 04:11:06 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 04:12:05 AM
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/opn05.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/opn25.jpg
THAT is art direction. Interesting character design. Interesting looking characters. A brilliant blend of colors. Imaginative environments and style. Again, what does FFCC have that stands out from other generic FF/RPG?
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Try not to take graphics so quantitatively and you'll be happier with your Wii.
I'm very happy with it. My favorite PC game runs beautifully on a k6 233MHz PC with 32 MB of RAM.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 04:28:23 AM
And playing as random aliens composed of random geometric shapes against a generic anime backdrop really doesn't do much for me. Sorry Opoona.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 04:36:03 AM
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And playing as random aliens composed of random geometric shapes against a generic anime backdrop really doesn't do much for me. Sorry Opoona.
Please, do show me this generic anime backdrop that you speak of. I'm sure if it's so generic, you can find tons of anime just like Opoona. How about we try and see how many games we can find out there that looks like Opoona and how many games out there that looks like FFCC?
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CB has this almost Peter Pan quality that intrigues me, and Square-Enix knows how to lay down an intriguing fantasy setting so they shouldn't be knocked for that. Also, it's starting to look like crystal-powered airships are the height of technological advancement in this game, which for me is a breath of fresh air from the "highly technologically advanced people that live and dress out of the 1800s" thing that Square-Enix has been doing lately
You have got to be freaking kidding me. Crystal powered airships a breath of fresh air?
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 04:55:03 AM
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Please, do show me this generic anime backdrop that you speak of. I'm sure if it's so generic, you can find tons of anime just like Opoona. How about we try and see how many games we can find out there that looks like Opoona and how many games out there that looks like FFCC?
Well, here are few generic looking shots:
http://www.ngcfrance.com/images/news/wii/opoona/scr_012.jpg
But this is mostly beside the point: It's not a matter of seeing how many games out there look like which; that's trivializing it. Appreciation of art direction is largely up to the interpreter. As I said, PERSONALLY I prefer Crystal Bearer's, no matter how many games emulate a similar style. CB still does it well, and looks intriguing and fresh in my opinion. It seems to be mixing a lot of different styles (FFIX, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts) and making something new out them, and I'm very interested in what they do with the main character. Just because there aren't a ton of RPGs out there looking like Opoona doesn't mean its style can't be interpreted as uninspired crap (incidentally that may be why there aren't a ton of RPGs out there with similar styles to Opoona).
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You have got to be freaking kidding me. Crystal powered airships a breath of fresh air?
Wow, way to twist my words. I didn't say airships themselves were the breath of fresh air. My point was this is the first console "Final Fantasy" game in a while to lean more on fantasy than sci-fi. I could be be wrong (it IS only a 30 second clip), but airships seem to be the most technologically advanced aspect of the game.
Post by: Pale on May 25, 2007, 05:08:14 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 25, 2007, 05:20:50 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 05:23:26 AM
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But Oranges have dense texturing, physics dealing with soft objects, and lighting through semi-transparent objects.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 05:26:57 AM
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Please, do show me this generic anime backdrop that you speak of. I'm sure if it's so generic, you can find tons of anime just like Opoona. How about we try and see how many games we can find out there that looks like Opoona and how many games out there that looks like FFCC?
Well, here are few generic looking shots:
http://www.ngcfrance.com/images/news/wii/opoona/scr_012.jpg
But this is mostly beside the point: It's not a matter of seeing how many games out that looks like which, that's trivializing it. Appreciation of art direction is largely up to the interpreter. As I said, PERSONALLY I prefer Crystal Bearer's, no matter how many games emulate a similar style. CB still does it well, and looks intriguing and fresh in my opinion. It seems to be mixing a lot of different styles (FFIX, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts) and making something new out them, and I'm very interested in what they do with the main character. Just because there aren't a ton of RPGs out there looking like Opoona doesn't mean its style can't be interpreted as uninspired crap (incidentally that may be why there aren't a ton of RPGs out there with similar styles to Opoona).
Wait wait... so something that's never been done before is considered as uninspired crap, while something that's been done to death is refreshing and inspired? Great logic there.
Oh and the screen shot you posted... way to go, you found one area that looks like a hangar/warehouse. Now find me an anime with a swimming pool next to some god know whatever it is that's in that tiny pic on the lower left side.
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You have got to be freaking kidding me. Crystal powered airships a breath of fresh air?
Wow, way to twist my words. I didn't say airships themselves were the breath of fresh air. My point was this is the first console "Final Fantasy" game in a while to lean more on fantasy than sci-fi. I could be be wrong (it IS only a 30 second clip), but airships seem to be the most technologically advanced aspect of the game.
Does that change the fact that crystal powered flying ships have been done to death in FF?
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Oranges have freaking low-poly wedges!
Ah, but low polygon wedges can be made much for interesting with unique texture work. Ever seen a retexture N64 game on emulation? Texture mapping is an old fashioned technique these days, but being able to create an interesting texture is still very much a challenge.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2007, 05:36:52 AM
I have to agree, the chibi look of the first on was kind of a turn off as it didn't look like an actual "Final Fantasy" game, and instead something they threw together for some kiddee console with the Final Fantasy name attached to increase awareness. I wasn't really looking forward to FFCC:CB before, but now its definately on my 'watch' list.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 05:37:08 AM
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Wait wait... so something that's never been done before is considered as uninspired crap, while something that's been done to death is refreshing and inspired? Great logic there.
Yeah, logic that you don't seem to be getting. "Never been done before" does NOT always win out over "Been done before" especially when the game that's employing themes that have been done before seems to be doing it very well while adding its own personal touch. In my opinion, that's the case with Opoona and Crystal Bearers. And it would only take you a few minutes to browse a few websites and see which game most people would rather play if you think I'm pulling this out of my ass just to be difficult.
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Does that change the fact that crystal powered flying ships have been done to death in FF?
And does that change the fact that my original point really didn't have much to do with the damn airships, but rather the overall feel of the game? Jeez...
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 05:45:24 AM
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"'m happy that they got rid of the Precious Moments chibi look from the first game (And CB trailer). The game looks a lot more Final Fantasy than the first one did"
I have to agree, the chibi look of the first on was kind of a turn off as it didn't look like an actual "Final Fantasy" game, and instead something they threw together for some kiddee console with the Final Fantasy name attached to increase awareness. I wasn't really looking forward to FFCC:CB before, but now its definately on my 'watch' list.
I like Precious Moments figurines.
Post by: Crimm on May 25, 2007, 05:47:29 AM
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Wow...
This is the first RPG in a while, that I actually want to learn more about. The last game being Skies of Arcadia.
The whole thing does have a Skies of Arcadia vibe to it, as opposed to the nature vibe of the first game.
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 05:50:09 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 25, 2007, 05:58:37 AM
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"'m happy that they got rid of the Precious Moments chibi look from the first game (And CB trailer). The game looks a lot more Final Fantasy than the first one did"
I have to agree, the chibi look of the first on was kind of a turn off as it didn't look like an actual "Final Fantasy" game, and instead something they threw together for some kiddee console with the Final Fantasy name attached to increase awareness. I wasn't really looking forward to FFCC:CB before, but now its definately on my 'watch' list.
It looked a whole lot like FF IX, actually. I think 90% of the problem with the game's look was the onion-headed, baby-faced, weak-looking dwarf wannabes.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2007, 06:01:36 AM
The multiplayer requirements were too much for me, and I quickly lost interest after playing with someone that already knew where all the good stuff was. I felt like I was being led around on a chain picking up all the scraps, which is what was happening.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 06:17:53 AM
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Yeah, logic that you don't seem to be getting. "Never been done before" does NOT always win out over "Been done before" especially when the game that's employing themes that have been done before seems to be doing it very well while adding its own personal touch. In my opinion, that's the case with Opoona and Crystal Bearers. And it would only take you a few minutes to browse a few websites and see which game most people would rather play if you think I'm pulling this out of my ass just to be difficult.
Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?
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And does that change the fact that my original point really didn't have much to do with the damn airships, but rather the overall feel of the game? Jeez...
And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 06:25:52 AM
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Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?
Oh, so people who would prefer a Final Fantasy game over Opoona are just mindless drones? I think you're losing your point here. It has everything to do with art style. Look at how many people (not just here, but on other forums), are actually surprised and MORE interested in the game thanks to the changes in art style from the original Crystal Chronicles. A lot of people are going gaga over this 30 second clip; that WASN'T the case when the original Crystal Bearers clip was released last E3. So it isn't just a case of blind Square love. This game is vastly different than the game we thought we were getting up until...well, this morning.
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And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.
Well buddy, that's you. It's not me, or a lot of other people. Doesn't make us drones though. Face it: a lot of people think this games looks good.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 06:26:03 AM
2. Fighting engine looks like the KH engine (for the one second of combat).
I might actually pick this game up, since it doesn't look like a turn-based RPG and I won't feel all confused by the male lead character.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 25, 2007, 06:28:56 AM
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Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?
Oh, so people who would prefer a Final Fantasy game over Opoona are just mindless drones? I think you're losing your point here. It has everything to do with art style. Look at how many people (not just here, but on other forums), are actually surprised and MORE interested in the game thanks to the changes in art style from the original Crystal Chronicles. A lot of people are going gaga over this 30 second clip; that WASN'T the case when the original Crystal Bearers clip was released last E3. So it isn't just a case of blind Square love. This game is vastly different than the game we thought we were getting up until...well, this morning.Quote
And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.
Well buddy, that's you. It's not me, or a lot of other people. Doesn't make us drones though. Face it: a lot of people think this games looks good.
Why don't you look around at other boards and see the mixed reactions instead of hanging around FF centeric forums. Even gamefaqs has people yawning with excitement.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 06:39:05 AM
Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 06:42:42 AM
But GOD! That trailer looked AWESOME! And he's a super hero! He like.. FLIES! IN THE SKY! Like Neo! (sorta hate the music though, blagh typical stuff) The graphics/visuals/art all look top notch, like there was ACTUAL EFFORT put into the game, and that makes the hardcore gamer in me happy.
Also, I agree that the 2 seconds of battle gameplay look still action-y and bear a passing resemblance to kingdom hearts... so that's good. And the guy REALLY DOES look more masculine than ANY FF character for the past N games.
As for art style, I DID like the first CC, but I think in the end that that game reached too far and lost a basic cohesiveness and integrity. This game looks to take more of an artistically narrative stand, and for that I'm grateful. Plus the guy actually looks like a guy, he can fly, and he messes with his goggles for the last 5 seconds of the trailer.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 06:49:09 AM
QuoteI'm not trying to be in it either! Opoona and FF:CC:CB is a terrible comparison to make; as said earlier, apples and oranges. But he won't let up!
I'm not going to get into the Terranigma vs Pittboi Opoona vs FF:CC:CB discussion,
QuoteThis is agree with completely.
As for art style, I DID like the first CC, but I think in the end that that game reached too far and lost a basic cohesiveness and integrity.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 07:26:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi I'm following this over at Gamefaqs...
Don't do that to yourself.
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 07:41:17 AM
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 07:49:07 AM
2. If there's no multiplayer, I kind of feel like they should change the title because it's a little misleading. Call it simply, "The Crystal Bearers" or if Final Fantasy is needed to sell the game, might I suggest: Final Fantasy Saga (since Adventure and Legend were already taken).
3. I hope it has a competent story. I was looking forward to the multiplayer of this game and if it was a fun multiplayer game, plot becomes almost a non-issue (like Secret of Mana) just as long as my brother and I can play. However, if they nixed multiplayer or are focusing more on single-player, I would like an engaging plot with twists and turns.
4. The trailer shows one city which may be the central hub of the game. Perhaps you meet people who send you on quests and you adventure through the surrounding lands and skies. That's okay in a multiplayer game. However, for a full scale single player RPG, that might be a problem. A little too reminiscent of Zelda, but then again, this is no Zelda.
5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.
The trailer is pretty cool. For what it is, I think a lot of people are making way too huge a deal out of it (see: gonintendo) since they showed like 4 seconds of gameplay. I'm glad we finally have something on this title. It has certainly piqued my interests.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2007, 08:07:01 AM
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I see no pixel shaders being used; I see no environment bump-mapping; I don't see any kind of bump/normal mapping; I don't see surface scattering, bloom, or HDR of any kind; and I sure as hell didn't see any smooth self-shadows or any kind of dynamic shadowing techniques being used.
Buy a PS3 then, the Wii can't do that.
Post by: Crimm on May 25, 2007, 08:07:48 AM
I really find it interesting that only one character was shown the entire trailer. I know it was only about 12 seconds of non-text screens, but still. CC was all about the multiplayer, so why isn't it being featured prominently here?
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 08:19:06 AM
Seriously, I'm sure that character is important if Square-Enix included him (?) in the trailer. And we don't really know what's become of multiplayer. The focus seems to be on making a competent single-player game.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 08:25:01 AM
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1. Is the main character flying or falling? To me, it looks like he's falling.
I think he is falling at the very beginning of the trailer when he's holding the big gun. But after the scene where he's pwned by the dragon's tail that orb of energy appears around his left hand and he shoots forward, so I definitely think he's flying then.
QuoteWell, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).
2. If there's no multiplayer, I kind of feel like they should change the title because it's a little misleading. Call it simply, "The Crystal Bearers" or if Final Fantasy is needed to sell the game, might I suggest: Final Fantasy Saga (since Adventure and Legend were already taken).
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3. I hope it has a competent story. I was looking forward to the multiplayer of this game and if it was a fun multiplayer game, plot becomes almost a non-issue (like Secret of Mana) just as long as my brother and I can play. However, if they nixed multiplayer or are focusing more on single-player, I would like an engaging plot with twists and turns.
Same here, but I'm not too worried. If it's a single player Square-Enix game, you can pretty much expect it to have an above average, if not exactly original, plot.
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4. The trailer shows one city which may be the central hub of the game. Perhaps you meet people who send you on quests and you adventure through the surrounding lands and skies. That's okay in a multiplayer game. However, for a full scale single player RPG, that might be a problem. A little too reminiscent of Zelda, but then again, this is no Zelda.
Rabanastre in FFXII was pretty much a hub city, but there were still plenty of areas and locations to explore. Hopefully, that's the case, or maybe there are a bunch of areas that all hold equal importance that we just don't know about yet.
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5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. I know that the game is going to focus on this one character, but part of me is still hoping that there's still some sort of party situation in the game (most likely involving the guy with the bandanna seen at the beginning of the trailer).
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 08:38:06 AM
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Someone had asked what Opoona was. It's an RPG for the Wii from Koei. Trailer
I really find it interesting that only one character was shown the entire trailer. I know it was only about 12 seconds of non-text screens, but still. CC was all about the multiplayer, so why isn't it being featured prominently here?
Ok, I have seen that before. I just for the life of me couldn't connect the two.
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I still hope that it will allow you to add up to four people on the fly and have them take part in the story.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 25, 2007, 08:38:36 AM
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 08:53:35 AM
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Pittiboi wrote:
I think he is falling at the very beginning of the trailer when he's holding the big gun. But after the scene where he's pwned by the dragon's tail that orb of energy appears around his left hand and he shoots forward, so I definitely think he's flying then.
I considered that, but it could just be the camera. It doesn't follow him so it looks like he's shooting forward. The purple energy ball seems to recoil him backwards a little before he starts falling again.
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Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles
The only problem with that theory is that Ring of Fates very much follows the pattern of the original.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 11:19:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).
Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?
Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).
Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?
I'm scared.
Post by: Artimus on May 25, 2007, 11:54:19 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 12:17:29 PM
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I'm scared.
Hold me.
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I'm scared.
Hold me.
/holds
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 01:47:18 PM
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Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?
I'll take that bet.
By the time FF13 comes out sometime after March 2008, PS3 will drop in price................. and Square-Enix will probably have announced a port to 360.
Smash_Brother, you're about to get served.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 25, 2007, 02:27:05 PM
Enough complaining.....Looks very nice, it does interest me, I'm gonna shut up now.
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2007, 02:56:33 PM
Post by: Crimm on May 25, 2007, 02:56:39 PM
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....he kinda looks like that chick from Baten Kaitos
Xelha?
Ya know, I said earlier "there's only one person!?" I should have looked up. There's clearly a second character in the banner, and I'm not totally sure that the male character is the one in the video. It could be, but with a different outfit. Either way, I don't think customization is as dead as some have thought. I would be happy just looking different based on what you have.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2007, 03:19:57 PM
It looks like a S-E ps2 game + textures.
It's like S-E got their "best & brightest" ps2 developers on the job, and they didn't learn anything new.
It may be that the video is just small and shittee, but really, FFCC on GameCube did more interesting things visually.
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 03:35:16 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2007, 03:54:31 PM
Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 04:53:46 PM
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but really, FFCC on GameCube did more interesting things visually.
Not true... this one has AIRSHIPS.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 25, 2007, 06:10:16 PM
Post by: Crimm on May 25, 2007, 06:30:23 PM
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but really, FFCC on GameCube did more interesting things visually.
Not true... this one has AIRSHIPS.
I swear they stole that airship directly out of Skies of Arcadia. I think it was Alfonso's ship.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 06:32:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock Smash_Brother, you're about to get served.
First of all, if it's March 2008, then no, I'm not about to get served. I'd be getting served in 9 months. If I went and knocked my GF up right now, I wouldn't be telling people, "I'm ABOUT to have a kid." cause they'd already be looking for cigars and I wouldn't even have the nursery planned.
Second, by March 2008, the Wii will be well over 15 million sold (worldwide). Will the PS3 have broken 4 million sold, even?
Third, what good do you think a port to the 360 is going to do? RPGs have typically done ass-poor on the 360, and the 360 is still dead in Japan with a whopping 400,000 units sold.
Fourth, we're talking about total overall sales. I expect FF:CC on the Wii to have some LONG legs, longer than FF13 on the PS360.
In all situations, I think the Wii is poised to push assloads more copies of this game than FF13.
And on another note, good GOD, people: you're criticizing the graphics based on a 200 pixel trailer. Wait until we have some better footage to go on before we make any judgments.
Also, the fact that we're not talking about chibi characters any longer means a lot more gamers will look at this as a "serious", "epic" FF game instead of a crap spinoff.
In fact, when was the last time Square gave an "epic" trailer to a game which they weren't putting some SERIOUS effort into?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2007, 07:52:12 PM
I have a feeling the low number of different things shown in the trailer is just because nothing else is in a presentable state. Wouldn't surprise me if they just hadn't added most of the special effects yet.
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 08:06:35 PM
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Cripes, man. Are you really trying to turn this into a debate? You wrote all that, citing sales data and everything, in response to a throwaway comment of mine. Come on, is it even possible to say "you got served" seriously? I actually don't care which game sells more. And just to be clear, I think FF13 will be one of the few PS3 games to remain exclusive. MGS4 is a different story.
BUT anyway...... I do agree with you in that judging the graphics based on the one trailer is pretty silly.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2007, 10:07:31 PM
FF13 will outsell CC after it's ported to 360.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 26, 2007, 09:30:07 AM
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Cripes, man. Are you really trying to turn this into a debate?
Nah, not really. I just figured the "9 months" comment would be good for a laugh.
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Don't confuse judgement with OBSERVAYSHUNS.
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FF13 will outsell CC after it's ported to 360.
I'm not denying that it will be ported, but why would a 360 port "save" it?
Look at this list...
A main series FF game has NEVER sold more in the US than it has in Japan. Why would a 360 port, a console which is dead in Japan and is NOT a console purchased for RPGs, suddenly save sales of the game?
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God, can you imagine the meltdown in certain quarters of the internet (and in certain quarters in SE and Sony) if FF:CC:CB outsold FF:XIII?
Considering that FF13 will cost at least triple what it costs to make FF:CC:CB, yeah, I can.
Honestly, I think this was Square's plan. This trailer looks so incredibly much like a "mainstream" FF trailer that I can't help but believe that Square hasn't counted the Wii out as a possible platform for incredible sales of the FF franchise.
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 26, 2007, 09:48:14 AM
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Honestly, I think this was Square's plan. This trailer looks so incredibly much like a "mainstream" FF trailer that I can't help but believe that Square hasn't counted the Wii out as a possible platform for incredible sales of the FF franchise.
That what I'm thinking as well. After the PS3 bombed and the Wii took over Japan, I'm sure it caused Square to go crazy. It looks like they're trying their hardest to get main the Final Fantasy fans to buy a Wii for this game by making it like this so it'll give them a reason to dumb Sony and move the main series to the Wii. Now it's too late for FF13, but I fully believe that FF14 will be a Wii exclusive several years from now.
Post by: IceCold on May 26, 2007, 10:12:30 AM
AM I RIGHT?
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 10:53:18 AM
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Nah, not really. I just figured the "9 months" comment would be good for a laugh.
Yeah, but then you listed arguments.... each of which has a valid counterpoint.
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A main series FF game has NEVER sold more in the US than it has in Japan. Why would a 360 port, a console which is dead in Japan and is NOT a console purchased for RPGs, suddenly save sales of the game?
I really don't want to get into it, but consider two things:
1. A FF spin-off has never sold more than a main series entry (XI notwithstanding).
2. 360 never had a main series Final Fantasy (once again, XI notwithstanding).
I expect FFXIII to sell as well as a main series Final Fantasy title is expected to sell because it's such a powerful franchise. And I think it can sell even as a PS3 exclusive title. Square-Enix likes making a lot of money by the easiest means possible. That's why they've got so many damn remakes and ports on the horizon. Porting FFXIII isn't going to be easy since the game is being developed on Square-Enix's White Engine, built specifically for PS3. It won't be cheap or easy, the exact opposite of making a port. However, I think a 360 port of FFXIII will depend partly on the performance of The Last Remnant on 360 versus PS3.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 26, 2007, 12:01:24 PM
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I really don't want to get into it, but consider two things:
1. A FF spin-off has never sold more than a main series entry (XI notwithstanding).
2. 360 never had a main series Final Fantasy (once again, XI notwithstanding).
Yeah, but spinoffs never see the same amount of love that the main series does.
The fully epic, voiced over, huge budget FF titles sell very well, and if Square is putting that kind of effort into this game then it does stand a chance to sell as well.
Even with the brief trailer, I look at this game and it reminds me of the trailers you'd always see for main series FF games.
I just can't see the 360 being the salvation for an ailing RPG. I also can't see the PS3 version selling that well considering that it would probably have to sell to close to 100% of the userbase to break even and that never happens.
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 03:16:36 PM
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Yeah, but spinoffs never see the same amount of love that the main series does.
FFX-2 and Dirge of Cerberus were major projects for Square-Enix. It doesn't really matter. The main series is the main series.
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The fully epic, voiced over, huge budget FF titles sell very well, and if Square is putting that kind of effort into this game then it does stand a chance to sell as well.
That's a big "if." And I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion from the trailer. Almost half of it was made up of title cards. When was the last time you've seen a trailer for a main series Final Fantasy? The Crystal Bearers looks pretty good, but it's really not that close.
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I just can't see the 360 being the salvation for an ailing RPG. I also can't see the PS3 version selling that well considering that it would probably have to sell to close to 100% of the userbase to break even and that never happens.
Well, I think you're looking at it from a Nintendo fan's perspective. After 2 generations, it's nice to see Sony sweat for a change. Still, I don't think Sony is doing as bad as they really should be, all things considering. FFXIII will probably come out Fall/Winter 2008. I expect PS3 to be significantly less than $600 by then. Final Fantasy fans will buy PS3 for XIII.
Post by: anubis6789 on May 26, 2007, 04:17:25 PM
QuoteI actually find that quite refreshing, I have always wondered why all the main characters have to wield swords. I am happy that the only weapon you even see him handle is what appears to be some sort of chain gun.
5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.
By the way, does anyone else find the music to at first, during the opening of the trailer, sound like the soundtrack to Titanic, then morph into the theme from Back to the Future by the end?
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 05:32:31 PM
My brother tells me that the music at the beginning of the Crystal Bearers trailer is a remix of "Prologue" from the Final Fantasy IV soundtrack.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 26, 2007, 06:43:06 PM
Heh, ironically the 360 has by far the biggest library of jRPGs of all the current gen consoles.
Post by: anubis6789 on May 26, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
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I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. There will probably be swords in the game.
My brother tells me that the music at the beginning of the Crystal Bearers trailer is a remix of "Prologue" from the Final Fantasy IV soundtrack.
I know that the song is "Prelude", but I just meant that the instrument and tempo used makes it sound kind of like some of the Titanic soundtrack.
Oh and I know that there will be swords but at least I am happy that they do not seem to be the Hero's main weapon.
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 02:14:50 AM
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I was not to excited about this game before the new trailer, but boy am I interested in it now. My only problem is that it looked to be almost exclusively single player, were as I was hoping for a multi-player game, but then again it was just a trailer, and not a long one at that.QuoteI actually find that quite refreshing, I have always wondered why all the main characters have to wield swords. I am happy that the only weapon you even see him handle is what appears to be some sort of chain gun.
5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.
By the way, does anyone else find the music to at first, during the opening of the trailer, sound like the soundtrack to Titanic, then morph into the theme from Back to the Future by the end?
Agree. Though their seems to still be room in the design to be able to throw more players in like they did in CC. My hope is that this will release Post-Pokemon(PP). If it is released PP then their is a chance, not a good one, but a chance that it will have online. How cool would it be to tool through parts of the game with your friends PSO style? Though you probably have to have a save to do the whole story with them.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 27, 2007, 04:54:03 AM
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FFX-2 and Dirge of Cerberus were major projects for Square-Enix. It doesn't really matter. The main series is the main series.
X-2 outsold FF12, and Cerberus just plain sucked ass.
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That's a big "if." And I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion from the trailer. Almost half of it was made up of title cards. When was the last time you've seen a trailer for a main series Final Fantasy? The Crystal Bearers looks pretty good, but it's really not that close.
Compare this trailer to the previous FF:CC:CB trailer: the only character is still chibi, all FMV, nothing detailed that looks like gameplay.
The new one features a hero who looks similar to the hero in FF12, but a bit more like a dude. It also features scenes of him battling a dragon, running through a town, and presumably flying an airship.
It may not have been a very LONG trailer, but these are the things we come to expect from a REAL FF game.
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Well, I think you're looking at it from a Nintendo fan's perspective. After 2 generations, it's nice to see Sony sweat for a change. Still, I don't think Sony is doing as bad as they really should be, all things considering. FFXIII will probably come out Fall/Winter 2008. I expect PS3 to be significantly less than $600 by then. Final Fantasy fans will buy PS3 for XIII.
I think that, with no games for the PS3, the disparity will only grow larger.
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2007, 09:51:05 AM
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X-2 outsold FF12, and Cerberus just plain sucked ass.
Looking strictly at the numbers, it would appear X-2 outsold XII (from what I've gathered, not by much).... except that X-2 was released in 2003, giving it 3 years to accrue sales while also being a Greatest Hits title for quite some time.
And you're assuming that The Crystal Bearers won't suck if it received "the same amount of love that the main series does." Well, Dirge of Cerberus did and that didn't change a thing. It's not even about quality. Though I'd expect Dirge of Cerberus to sell more if it was a better game, it's still a side-game. X-2 did not outsell X, despite generally good reviews.
As for the trailer, just watch this. Not even close.......
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 11:36:46 AM
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X-2 outsold FF12, and Cerberus just plain sucked ass.
Looking strictly at the numbers, it would appear X-2 outsold XII (from what I've gathered, not by much).... except that X-2 was released in 2003, giving it 3 years to accrue sales while also being a Greatest Hits title for quite some time.
And you're assuming that The Crystal Bearers won't suck if it received "the same amount of love that the main series does." Well, Dirge of Cerberus did and that didn't change a thing. It's not even about quality. Though I'd expect Dirge of Cerberus to sell more if it was a better game, it's still a side-game. X-2 did not outsell X, despite generally good reviews.
As for the trailer, just watch this. Not even close.......
If it wasn't for the logo at the end I would swear that was the next PSO. Seriously I prefer the look they are giving CB. Especially for something with Fantasy in the titles. The look of FFXIII scream Sci-fi to me more then Fantasy. Though bookstore put those two together like they were one and the same...
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
And based on genre, I prefer Crystal Bearers. I like some RPGs, I just like action-RPGs more so I have to say I'm more interested in CB right now.
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2007, 06:25:08 AM
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Akitoshi Kawazu on Crystal Bearers
"While it's still action orientated, with the Wii game we've chosen to focus on the experience of the solo player in immaculate detail. This game will be the more story driven of the two and will really play like an interactive adventure storybook. It will also use the Wii's unique hardware to its advantage. The protagonist has a fire type weapon that will be shot with the controller's trigger and, likewise, an airship will be controlled by tilting the Wii controller. We have lots of clever ideas for how to integrate the Wii's functions into the game mechanics."
No confirmation on an absent multiplayer mode though this preview certainly makes it seem that way. The preview suggests that they're splitting the Crystal Chronicles into 2 experiences: Single-player on Wii, multi on DS, though the following comment complicates things:
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"With both of these new games we've worked extremely hard to provide an excellent single player story to play through. In fact, with the DS game Ring of Fates you are essentially getting two games for the price of one - a very substantial single player game on top of a very substantial multiplayer game. It's been a huge effort for the staff but I think players will be very pleased with the results."
Even though they're working hard on The Crystal Bearers, I was looking forward to a multiplayer experience though it looks more and more like I'll have to rely solely on Ring of Fates in that regard.
I am a bit worried about both games, however, as Akitoshi Kawazu has been a hit or miss producer/director.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 29, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock And you're assuming that The Crystal Bearers won't suck if it received
Naturally, the game not sucking is a prerequisite to what I'm suggesting here, but the truth is, I'm not even taking the quality of either game into account so much as I am the audiences and sales figures of the consoles the respective games will be on.
By userbase alone, FF13 has a real chance of being outsold by FF:CC:CB.
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Well, Dirge of Cerberus did and that didn't change a thing.
Hence why FF13 could suck as well.
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It's not even about quality.
Correct, it's about Wii owners seeing this as OUR Final Fantasy and, if Square makes it good enough, the game selling appropriately.
It's not about PS3 owners buying PS3s to play FF13 so much as it is Nintendo fans buying this because A) it's a good game and B) it's "their" FF.
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As for the trailer, just watch this. Not even close.......
I see a shemale and a lot of pre-PS3 finalized hardware CGI.
And seriously, the only REAL difference I see is that this trailer you've shown me is longer than the FF:CC:CB one. Both have shots of combat, both have shots of transportation vehicles, both have shots of the hero exploring.
The PS3 one was just designed to be more glitz and glamour than gameplay (since this had to be CGI and not gameplay).
I get the same "epic" sense from both of them, but I agree that FF13 looks more like PSO than FF.
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2007, 08:21:46 AM
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It's a Final Fantasy game. Why would it be set on the same planet as the first? Also, I hope it's not. That miasma can go f*ck itself.
If memory serves the Miasma goes away at the end of CC. I liked the CC universe and like to actually explore it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2007, 10:00:17 AM
GOOD ONE, SKWARE. WE ACTUALLY BELIEVED YOU WERE TAKING DEVELOPMENT SERIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY ONLINE PLAY IS NOT A UNIQUE WII FEATURE. GOOD BYE MULTIPLAYER.
HELLO SHOE-HORNED GREEN LANTERN FANTASY GAME.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 29, 2007, 10:12:50 AM
The Japanese tend to not have much space, and that means very little space for people sitting around in a living room playing a 4 player game.
The fact that they're focusing on making it a great single player experience says to me that they ARE taking it seriously.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 29, 2007, 10:29:39 AM
Anyway, so far, I couldn't be happier. I actually think the gameplay from the original Crystal Chronicles game is a better fit on the DS anyway, especially with how wishy-washy the Wii's online is turning out. I think that Ring of Fates is going to turn out great on the DS. This news also kind of supports my theory that Squeenix is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the primary Final Fantasy series for Wii, as Ring of Fates seems more like the handheld spin-off/extension of the first game (continuing its themes and gameplay), while Crystal Bearers is going in a completely different direction as the next console iteration of the series, much like Final Fantasy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 29, 2007, 11:00:42 AM
It makes fans happy, it makes the console manufacturers happy and it will make the shareholders happy. No one gets mad at Square for being "disloyal" and no one whines about getting a half-assed effort.
Win-Win-Win.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2007, 11:16:16 AM
Bring on the Green Lantern awesomeness!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2007, 11:23:35 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2007, 11:26:06 AM
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It would benefit Square, sales and relationship wise, if they had two parallel "main" FF franchises running on each console.
It makes fans happy, it makes the console manufacturers happy and it will make the shareholders happy. No one gets mad at Square for being "disloyal" and no one whines about getting a half-assed effort.
Win-Win-Win.
Except for the 360 :p Anyways. The first CC was storybook like as well and I really really would love it if the brought back the voice actor who did the readings in CC. Whene I first got the game I was really hoping that you get more of the little story each time you had to go back to an area... Alas it wasn't so. That would have improved the experience for me by a lot.
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Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2007, 12:56:29 PM
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The first CC was storybook like as well and I really really would love it if the brought back the voice actor who did the readings in CC. Whene I first got the game I was really hoping that you get more of the little story each time you had to go back to an area... Alas it wasn't so. That would have improved the experience for me by a lot.
I know what they were going for, and I also would've really appreciated it if they had delivered on the promise of those themes in the first games. But... they need better writers! Those little voice overs were so darned cheesy!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2007, 01:14:33 PM
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As sarcastic as that sounds, Pro, that's a great point.
ED is my favorite example of story-delivery in gaming, cuz the game drives home the fact that you're participating in a storybook. Enjoyable commentary at the beginning and end of each chapter (and no comment when appropriate), and a nice idea to use the appearance of the Tome's pages to begin/close the chapters, since you're literally living-out the events of the book. Plus, mundane objects were given a generous bit of writing, unlike Resident Evil's "this table is covered with dust," "he's been dead for some time, dur," etc.
Post by: Pittbboi on May 29, 2007, 01:46:42 PM
Actually, now that I think about it, FFXII was storybook in a sense. Though not as strongly so as ED. If it's something like that, with lots of NPCs and exploration (and not just one mission "chapter" after another and again), I think I'll really enjoy it.
I'm very curious about the story now, since apparently they're putting a great deal of focus on it (yes!). I know that trailer gives us zero details about the plot, but from the scenes we did see it doesn't seem like it'll be your typical Square-Enix J-Angst story. And I do get a Peter Pan vibe from the main character (and I hope there are others in the game you can play with).
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It's a Final Fantasy game. Why would it be set on the same planet as the first? Also, I hope it's not. That miasma can go f*ck itself.
If memory serves the Miasma goes away at the end of CC. I liked the CC universe and like to actually explore it.
CC had an end? I only assumed by the seemingly endless amount of "go here and get crystals" from the same areas over and over again that it just went on forever.
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Anyway, I still want multiplayer and it was the main reason I was interested in Crystal Bearers when it was announced (surely, they would fix the issues I had with the original). With or without multiplayer though, I won't say no to a solid title. Here's hoping CB delivers.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2007, 06:04:53 PM
WOW. You made me say.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 29, 2007, 06:40:51 PM
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Smash_Brother, clearly we aren't convincing each other either way so I'll simply say that I really don't care which sells more. No use prolonging this. I could argue more; I really just don't feel like it anymore.
Watch. It'll suck just because I've lobbied so hard for it.
Post by: denjet78 on May 30, 2007, 12:47:53 AM
CC isn't just the Wii version of FF. It's a loophole for SE to shift resources to the Wii without causing major issues with Sony. Nintendo wasn't too upset when FF shifted to the PSX but I'm sure Sony would pitch a massive bitch fit if the main franchise were to suddenly shift over to the Wii. Why else hasn't XIII already been moved to the Wii? Everyone can already see the writing on the wall. It's only a matter of time before most developers are going to have to admit to it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 30, 2007, 05:17:33 AM
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People have faith in Square pulling off something more ambitious than Kingdom Hearts/Crystal Chronicles hacky-slash realtime mechanics?
WOW. You made me say.
More faith than Ninty putting Daisy in as a separate character in Smash Brothers, at least...
"Nintendo wasn't too upset when FF shifted to the PSX but I'm sure Sony would pitch a massive bitch fit if the main franchise were to suddenly shift over to the Wii. Why else hasn't XIII already been moved to the Wii?"
Well, it no longer matters...SE likes money, so they'll go to wherever it is, no matter how much Sony whines about it...About XIII, SE claims they are out to support all the consoles evenly, so I'd wait until after XIII comes out (and potentially flops) before seeing where SE starts allocating all of its resources...
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 30, 2007, 05:34:37 AM
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SE is just covering their collective butt. After the whole debacle with Nintendo they're just trying to make sure that they don't piss Sony off and then find themselves in another tight spot with no way out but concessions. CC will almost certainly outsell XIII, and probably by a wide margin. That, of course, also has to do with when these games come out. There's no release date for CC and the last I heard in regards to XIII was that it probably won't be out until the end of 2008 at the earliest. If things continue the way they are only a small fraction of Wii buyers will have to purchase CC in order for it to outsell XIII even if it sells at a 1 to 1 ratio on the PS3, which it certainly won't. What's probably going to happen is the main FF line will continue to be on the PS3 but SE will shift their resources over to CC franchise development. CC will basically replace FF as their main franchise. That way they don't piss off Sony as they'll still retain FF yet they'll have access to the massive Wii user base and will still be free to focus their resources wherever they please.
CC isn't just the Wii version of FF. It's a loophole for SE to shift resources to the Wii without causing major issues with Sony. Nintendo wasn't too upset when FF shifted to the PSX but I'm sure Sony would pitch a massive bitch fit if the main franchise were to suddenly shift over to the Wii. Why else hasn't XIII already been moved to the Wii? Everyone can already see the writing on the wall. It's only a matter of time before most developers are going to have to admit to it.
This is exactly what I was saying.
This way, Square can not step on anyones toes when they move resources to the Wii because Sony still technically has a FF series, just that it'll be on hold indefinitely.
Their new tagline should be "Clone the Fantasy".
Post by: Pittbboi on June 28, 2007, 07:13:57 AM
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9. Final Fantasy: The Crystal Bearers - The game takes place in the Chronicles world, which includes the four races from Crystal Chronicles…the game starts you off as a “mature hero”, meaning the hero is more complete unlike the usual Final Fantasy titles where the hero is younger and weaker (less experienced)…game is following the Final Fantasy tradition of being “very story-driven”, lots of cinematic events etc
Four races? Very story-driven? Lots of cinematic events? Oh yes, Squeenix, give it to me how you know I like it!
Though I am a bit concerned about the "mature hero" thing. I think it's a cool idea in theory, but I hope there's still ways to 'level-up' and customize the guy. You know, hidden items and abilites...ultimate weapons, stuff like that. That's part of what makes an RPG an RPG. I don't want to go through the game with an already completed character. Or, maybe the 'heroo' is mature, and he has a band of buddies along with him that you have to level up. That would be cool.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2007, 07:45:52 AM
So you like no gameplay tidbits at all? How boring...
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So you like no gameplay tidbits at all? How boring...
Well, I'm pretty sure those will be coming. I'm just happy they confirmed that this game is going to have elements common in the traditional Final Fantasy series. I didn't like the first CC because it was just really basic gameplay without the story-driven cohesion and level of immersion that makes the numbered series the complete package. It seems as though they're pulling all the stops to make this a good RPG that isn't lacking in any area...unlike the first CC.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2007, 09:22:47 AM
This puny Crystal Kid has a lot to live up to.
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Post by: 31 Flavas on June 28, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
I was rather hoping for at least the option of a 4 player game.
Post by: Kairon on June 28, 2007, 08:48:13 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 28, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
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If you read some interviews from the past, they wanted to have the player feel like they're already playing someone who's got awesome powers. That's what they mean by mature: they mean a character who's already awesome powerful from the get go.
You are not a peasant who just learned to swing a stick, you are Quake, the most powerful man on the continent.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2007, 03:33:11 AM
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They've been dropping hints that it won't be multiplayer. *shrug* I think multiplayer will be more the DS game's bag.
Well, no, they've said they are FOCUSING on single player...That doesn't mean it won't be multiplayer at all...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 07:29:50 AM
MP3 lacks the WiFi logo on the boxart!
A game that starts you off as "powerful" would be FINAL FIGHT STARRING MAYOR MIKE HAGGAR.
Or Spiderman.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 08:07:06 AM
So does Red Bull and BBQ'd eel.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 29, 2007, 08:07:48 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on June 30, 2007, 05:50:48 AM
Yeah, and by powerful, I'm hoping that they mean he starts off with a selection of powers that grow more powerful/customized over the course of the game. That, and maybe he'll have some weak tag-along friends who you have to level up, like the long-haired boy in the trailer that he's obviously in love with (hey, gotta find the yaoi in everything).
Post by: mantidor on June 30, 2007, 07:16:49 AM
Post by: ThePerm on June 30, 2007, 08:50:36 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 30, 2007, 09:15:46 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 30, 2007, 10:05:14 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
But wasn't multiplayer FF: CC GC strongest point? the connectivity was what killed it, but the whole point of it was precisely multiplayer, without it its an spinoff without even something interesting.
No. As much as people want to defend FF:CC, even when you got four people together with GBAs and cables, the game had more problems. The gameplay had issues, so in my opinion FF:CC's strong point was its graphics, sadly enough.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 30, 2007, 10:53:14 AM
Of course, my favorite thing to do was to hold the bucket, then drop it and make a break to somewhere I thought there was a chest off screen. It worked pretty well, if you ask me. I know people didn't like the bucket, but it was definitely an interesting concept, IMO.
Post by: Kairon on June 30, 2007, 10:54:41 AM
Post by: Ceric on June 30, 2007, 04:09:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
If there is multiplayer in some form, I hope it's a mode outside of the main story. The Wii needs traditional-esque RPGs like this, and I'm glad one of the first is gonna have the Final Fantasy name behind it. They can have a Final Fantasy multiplayer mini-game mode for all I care, as long as I get my story-driven, deep gameplay, J-Angst, 50+ hour RPG...
Yeah, and by powerful, I'm hoping that they mean he starts off with a selection of powers that grow more powerful/customized over the course of the game. That, and maybe he'll have some weak tag-along friends who you have to level up, like the long-haired boy in the trailer that he's obviously in love with (hey, gotta find the yaoi in everything).
I can think of a few ways that players could bounce in and out of the single player and not ruin it.
