Post by: Kairon on May 23, 2007, 05:59:32 PM
I mean, many small and medium sized third parties delivered their 50,000, 100,000, and 200,000 selling games to the PS2, and there were certainly gems among the rough. As a one console owner who missed out on that, I'd be ecstatic to get that this time around on the Wii!
Particularly, I want all those RPGs that I missed out on from companies like NiS and Atlus!!! Will Atlus shift over the bulk of their franchises to the Wii? Will NiS do so as well? We're already seeing the next Rygar as a Wii exclusive... Certainly with both the X360 and PS3 suffering in Japan, the bulk of the smaller RPG developers must be eyeing the Wii as their number one platform!!!
And why have some light gun games been announced for the PS3 and X360, but NOT the WII?!?!? That is EXACTLY what I don't want!!!
Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2007, 06:29:49 PM
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Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2007, 10:34:39 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 05, 2007, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: Shift Key on June 05, 2007, 10:53:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
And why have some light gun games been announced for the PS3 and X360, but NOT the WII?!?!? That is EXACTLY what I don't want!!!
I do recall RE4Wii and UC involving the simple point and click interface of a gun game.
All I will say is "Wait for E3". There'll be announcements, the hype bandwagon will start moving, the peons will rejoice, et cetera et cetera.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 06, 2007, 01:48:31 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2007, 03:20:27 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 06, 2007, 03:53:23 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2007, 04:30:52 AM
Please give me Wii EDF. I will be happy, and will play it over and over until I beat it...on all skill levels, and collecting all weapons.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 06, 2007, 05:04:27 AM
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If you're a smallish Japanese developer and you want to keep making RPGs for home consoles, Wii is quickly becoming the only place to do it. PS3 sales are poor and the budgets are high.
I'm hoping this is the case.
It'll be widely held that the Wii is the ONLY alternative in these situations.
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2007, 06:25:33 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 06, 2007, 06:45:01 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 06, 2007, 06:59:06 AM
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non-gamers dont play RPGs
All RPG players are non-gamers.
Some people just prefer the home console, but yes, the DS could be the next "true" successor, at least in Japan.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 06, 2007, 09:33:52 AM
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*ahem* What about the DS? in a couple of months it'll have an install base of 20 million in Japan, looking more and more like the true successor to the PS2. Why wouldn't developers go there instead of the Wii?
That's why I tried to specify home consoles in my post. I agree that DS is a great alternative too, but if home consoles are still part of a company's strategy, PS2 and Wii are the only viable choices in Japan right now.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on June 06, 2007, 10:17:46 AM
As much as I'd like to see RPG's come back to a Nintendo home console, the handhelds will have to do......for now.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2007, 10:49:56 AM
Which is why the Wii is so perfect. The Wii gaming experience can't be taken on the road. It must be experienced at home...and as such makes it a perfect unique home console experience. But really, everything that home consoles do, can be done in some form on a portable.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 06, 2007, 02:13:21 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on June 06, 2007, 03:25:59 PM
You'd think so wouldn't you? But that's the problem: you're thinking. It makes as much sense as making a touchscreen calculator for the PSP.
Chalk it up to third party exclu-stupidity (exclusive stupidity). see: Capcom 5, Soul Calibur 3, RE4 announcement. edit: add the @@@@s at Konami to the list-Castlevania PSP
At E3 we'll learn if they wise up or are bribed by Sony.
Post by: UERD on June 06, 2007, 04:31:54 PM
Post by: Galford on June 06, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
Are you talking more mini-game collections/spin-offs or normal gamer titles?
It's really too early to say if more 3rd parties will jump on board.
In Japan you have the DS taking up all the oxygen, in the western markets if you targer the 360 you can port to the PC and PS3.
It's still too early in the this console life cycle to see clearly.
PS- Edited for spelling.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 08, 2007, 05:50:37 AM
I have a feeling we're going to see more and more games out of Japan. Realisitically, Wii is going to be number 1 at the end of this year. It's already number 1 by a pretty comfortable margin in Japan - basically any publisher, especially a Japanese one, has to take Wii seriously at this point.
Post by: RawsteelUT on June 10, 2007, 05:56:29 PM
In America and Europe? Who knows?
The thing with predicting 3rd party support for Nintendo platforms is that most people don't take into account the fact that 3rd party games just don't sell. Yes, a lot of 3rd party games are horrible on the Wii, but even good ones like Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz don't sell that high, and that's the epitomy of the Wii's audience. The biggest 3rd party success story on the Wii is Rayman: Raving Rabbids, and even that didn't have anything near the sales of Wii Play + Wii Remote.
3rd parties are going to look at the hardware sales, surely, but the fact is that Nintendo's consumers, for the most part, don't give a crap about 3rd party titles, regardless of titles. And the non-gamers who are just buying the Wii for the novelty of Wii Sports are even less likely to look at releases than the average Halo or Grand Theft Auto user, so reaching them would take tons of marketing money, negating the lower development costs. Contrast that to the 360, which has a very high attach ratio and where 3rd party games sell great routinely, and you're not going to see Wii 3rd party support skyrocket beyond this holiday's attempt to exploit the spike in sales.
And then there's the question of Wii's staying power. The Wii is no doubt blowing the doors off the hinges right now, but will it continue to sell this well in a full year? In two years? The 360 isn't running full-speed, but it's settled into a consistant, somewhat reliable ~200,000 a month, with a 1,000,000 unit month all but assured when Halo 3 comes out (just like what happened with Gears of War last year). The 360 is just the most profitable current-gen platform for 3rd parties who want to move on from the PS2.
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2007, 06:11:55 PM
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The biggest 3rd party success story on the Wii is Rayman: Raving Rabbids, and even that didn't have anything near the sales of Wii Play + Wii Remote.
A better comparison would be Rayman Raving Rabbids versus Wario Ware... and that comparison HAS been quite favorable for third parties.
Post by: RawsteelUT on June 10, 2007, 06:26:43 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2007, 06:59:08 PM
This is why I'm so interested in upcoming games like Word Coach, which promises to finally "get" non-games in a way only Nintendo has done so before. On the traditional gaming front, it seems like only Squaresoft is showing the sort of gusto it'd take to create a mass-market blockbuster success (with any luck, we'll find out that they have company come E3).
Post by: KDR_11k on June 10, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
Post by: RawsteelUT on June 11, 2007, 01:15:50 AM
See, this is the other part of the problem. Red Steel was heavily hyped as an integral part of Ubi's big push on the Wii, and a whole lot of people were hyped up for it. It sold well, in the way that games do at launch, but then people played it.
It's suddenly not hard to see how people are hesitant to look at 3rd party games, at least beyond niche titles like Trauma Center: Second Opinion. Remember what I said earlier about bad 3rd party titles? In this regard, 3rd parties sabotage themselves. Whether by freak accident or by shoddy design, the 3rd party games we get most excited about on Nintendo platforms tend to be the crappiest (example: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles on the Cube), and as a result, the market is ruined for everyone else.
Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I doubt a Red Steel 2 would sell a whole hell of a lot. Though forgive me if I was under the impression that Rayman was blowing that away as well, since that's the only franchise Ubi seems interested in continuing on the Wii.
Post by: Ceric on June 11, 2007, 03:32:47 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 11, 2007, 05:43:31 AM
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Originally posted by: RawsteelUT Yes, a lot of 3rd party games are horrible on the Wii, but even good ones like Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz don't sell that high, and that's the epitomy of the Wii's audience.
First of all, SMB:BB wasn't worthy of being called "good": only half the minigames worked and the single player was the same crap from Adventure.
Second, how do you figure it's the "epitome" of the Wii's audience?
Every time I turn around, someone else is trying to suggest that the Wii's audience is composed entirely of drooling children.
Note this thread and this quote...
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During Wii's first six months on the market, Nintendo sold almost 44 percent of its games and machines to people younger than 18, said researcher NPD Group Inc. in Port Washington, New York.
Therefore, the other 56% are OVER 18. Why would SMB:BB be that target audience?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 11, 2007, 08:47:10 AM
I think there are quite a few Wii games worthy of playing now. The problem is finding the perfect control scheme is hard, and reviewers don't want to forgive control schemes that don't work 100% (I don't know if they should or shouldn't) but that hurts the Wii 3rd party games perception right now.
I rented and really have enjoyed Medal of Honor Vanguard. Is it flawed? YES. It should have Bots in Multiplayer, and the control isn't perfect. But what is there is enjoyable. It is a nice game about running to cover and taking out the enemy. The fact that you have a squad with you constantly talking (even though it is repetitive) does put in the atmosphere of a war zone.
But anyway, because you can play this game on another system...and perhaps "easier" from a control perspective the game isn't getting the credit it deserves.
I will probably say the same is true about many of the 3rd party games, including The Godfather: Black Hand Edition, and soon to be released Scarface.
Give developers time to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the Wii. They will learn that it should not be about making every aspect of the game motion controlled...just certain key actions, that make the game more fun and immersive.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 11, 2007, 09:10:08 AM
Godfather IMO is best controlled on the Wii.
Post by: RawsteelUT on June 11, 2007, 09:43:21 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 11, 2007, 09:50:06 AM
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