Post by: Deguello on May 14, 2007, 06:04:10 AM
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You guys think Nintendo is perfect don't you? You don't even understand the concept of money being needed to run a business.
Nintendo is failing, but keep denying it. You can cry when your only choice is PS5 and Xbox4 and Nintendo is a 3rd party developer.
Vintage Artimus 2005.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2007, 06:06:59 AM
Right? Uh oh...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2007, 06:15:23 AM
And the Analyst are obviously always right, why else would they get so much attention and nice large paychecks?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 14, 2007, 08:31:11 AM
Post by: IceCold on May 14, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
Post by: stevey on May 14, 2007, 09:37:54 AM
It's on page 3~ or post 55
Post by: IceCold on May 14, 2007, 10:00:24 AM
Post by: UncleBob on May 14, 2007, 10:36:24 AM
It made my eyes bleed.
Post by: stevey on May 14, 2007, 10:46:27 AM
Post by: Crimm on May 14, 2007, 05:49:43 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 14, 2007, 07:15:18 PM
QuoteImpressive. And here I thought I was good at remembering posts. You may want to try the latest Guess the Poster
Originally posted by: stevey
No, I remembered the post and thread it was in but I couldn't find it and googled.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 14, 2007, 07:24:47 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 15, 2007, 10:34:28 AM
In 2005, the DS was far from the utter and total domination it holds now, the GC was sucking ass and Nintendo didn't seem to have any intention of rising above their attitude of "It doesn't matter that we lose marketshare every console, we're still profitable."
The only reason Nintendo is doing as well as they are right now is largely because Sony has become the new whipping boy of the industry. If the PS3 had launched for $300 and not given the most laughable E3 conference ever in 2006, this would be a very different market we'd be looking at right now.
When he said it, I wouldn't have called him out on it, and I find it ironic that people are doing so now when he is revealed as incorrect due to two massive unexpected turns in the industry which no one here could have possibly seen coming. Pre-E3 2006, no one was saying "Nintendo is going to stomp Sony due to the immensely high price of the PS3!" because no one had any idea what the PS3 would cost yet and the brand loyalty Sony STILL had was already netting them exclusives despite no one knowing what the PS3 would cost or what it could even do.
So in short, let's not start the congratulatory fanboy ass-patting when the company which is truly responsible for Nintendo's newfound success is Sony.
There's also the fact that the Wii has yet to surmount the 360 but that will be a battle which will be determined by the end of this year.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 15, 2007, 10:50:50 AM
Thinking about it, it was around this time in which Sony started to screw everything up, including the PSP. Maybe Sony was so surprised at how the PS3 did at E3 they became full of it and figured that no matter which decisions they made and what the other companies did the PS3 and PSP would be massive successes because the brand name was very strong at the time.
That plan backfired greatly...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 15, 2007, 11:10:45 AM
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 15, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 15, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I think it is silly to not give credit to Nintendo for making Wii a success, yes Sony shooting themselves in teh foot helped but people were falling over Wii long before the 600$ price tag was sinking in (remember the lines at E3?). The Wii brought something new, and special to the table and that contributed mostly to its success, in fact I would not be surprised if Nintendo followed the GC route in their design that they would be once again be struggling for 3rd place.
Hence why I said PART of what SB said is true.
I also agree that Nintendo did a lot of things right this generation. First, they offered something new that would make people play their games, a strategy that started on the DS and is now put into motion with the Woo. Then they took all their beliefs, threw them away and started a new and finally they wooed developers back to their side.
The way I can put it is that Nintendo took advantage of Sony's slip up and made sure no stone was unturned.
So IMO, both parties are responsible for the DS and Wii's success today.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 15, 2007, 12:21:15 PM
However, it's the part where he demanded that people not be blind to Nintendo's failings, which were real, like it or not, which I'm addressing.
On the subject of the Wii and giving Nintendo credit, of COURSE they deserve credit, but you have to realize that much of their success with it is thanks to the shift in media opinion that Nintendo is a maker of children's entertainment to Nintendo being an innovator.
However, that didn't happen JUST because it's true. We all knew Nintendo made excellent games on the Gamecube yet that didn't change the general media opinion of it, no. It was the absence of Sony's strong-arm media tactics which allowed Nintendo to flourish to the point where it did.
Many, and I mean MANY, people get their opinions and purchasing decisions from the media. Normally, anything from the gaming world would be "Playstation", period. No exceptions. But when Sony dropped the stinkbomb that was their E3 conference, the cracks had already begun forming in their foundation, mainly in the sheer number of developers who must have dropped their jaws in horror at the price of the unit.
For the longest time, it was fashionable to bash Nintendo and those who patronized them. This angst typically came from the Sony camp, as nothing gives those in first their jollies like ragging on those in last. With that camp basically gone, Nintendo profited. I'm sure there were easily 1,000,000+ people who were planning to buy a PS3 (especially if they had a PS1 and PS2 before it) but opted to give the Wii a try instead simply because of the pricetag alone. Had the PS3 been $300-400, it would have been another story.
All Sony had to do to stay in 1st was keep doing what they had been doing previously. Before the price was revealed, most people were still intent on getting a PS3 because they expected the same iconic brands to go along with it. Now, they're hemorrhaging exclusives all over and don't think for a moment that the press hasn't caught onto this.
Even in the gaming press, they like to feel like they're in the "winning" camp, and that has been synonymous with being a Sony fan for the past two generations. With that changing to Nintendo's favor, Nintendo benefits.
Been to multi-system boards lately? They're CRAWLING with Wii owners. I don't need to crack open an entire research project on the study of human behavior in order to remind everyone here that people make decisions with the grain, not against it. If a friend has a Wii and all of your mutual friends like it, it's much, MUCH easier to buy one, even if you don't like any of the games for it, than it is to buy a PS3. Peer pressure and price together are a VERY potent combination. Same goes for message boards. It's impossible to be a PS3 fan, and it's getting harder to be a 360 fan every day.
All this together worked in Nintendo's favor. Yes, Nintendo deserves plenty of credit, but let's not be having any illusions about the fact that the former market leader basically bowing out of first place also deserves credit for aiding the Wii along. Hindsight is 20/20 so there's no point in dragging Art through the mud because he didn't see Sony's megaflop of a conference and the Nintendo Wii success coming (especially since the Wii didn't start to shine until E3), and do I need to drag out the fact that everyone thought you could walk into Wal-Mart and pick one up at noon the next day?
And to address one final concern, Artimus was addressing the same Nintendo leg-humping which likewise irks the hell out of me. Ever been to the official Nintendo forums? I consider myself a devoted Nintendo fan and I can't even hope to relate to those people. Don't bring that sh*t here, thanks.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 15, 2007, 12:56:41 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 15, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
Sorry.
Maybe Bill will take it back to silliness with an anime pic which relates perfectly to the situation.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 15, 2007, 01:32:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I actually realized that this is probably too serious for the Funhouse moments after posting it.
Sorry.
Maybe Bill will take it back to silliness with an anime pic which relates perfectly to the situation.
I swear he has one for every moment possible.
Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2007, 01:56:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Hey Smash_Brother, stop ruining our fun with actual facts!
You could always just make another thread mocking the podcast predictions about getting a Wii within a week of launch.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 15, 2007, 02:45:50 PM
Way to go SB. :\
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 15, 2007, 05:24:02 PM
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Post by: Kairon on May 15, 2007, 07:29:44 PM
By the way, I get the feeling that even if (when) Nintendo wins this generation... they won't win the one after. MS will.
