Post by: Smash_Brother on April 15, 2007, 06:46:04 PM
Flash forward to present time: Capcom's new gameshow showed plenty of RE love for the Wii and the Wii alone, but there was no mention of RE5 at all.
While I wouldn't be surprised if it was on all three consoles, I have a growing level of confidence that it will be on the Wii. I'm guessing that Capcom is testing the Wii Waters before they dive in, but the fact that we've seen nothing for nearly TWO YEARS says to me that it's not their top priority right now.
So, file this as a prediction. We'll see how it turns out...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 15, 2007, 06:58:52 PM
Post by: Adrock on April 15, 2007, 07:01:04 PM
I don't think RE5 will be Wii bound. I'd bank on a new Code Veronica-esque "side story" along that plays like RE4 Wii Edition.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 15, 2007, 07:01:48 PM
So just like my MK Arcade prediction, it might or might not happen, but all signs lead to no at the moment.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 15, 2007, 07:02:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Doubtful, compared to the 360/PS3 versions it'd be a PS2 style RE4 mess.
That's just it: no one has seen RE5 in a year and seven months, and the only thing we DID see was a prerendered video or one that likely wasn't running on actual hardware for anything.
How do you know what RE5 even looks like right now?
If Lair is any indication, no media from 2006 is reliable anymore, FORGET 2005.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 15, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
You are right, NOTHING about the game has been announced.
HOWEVER, you forget that even if the game is basically vaporware at the moment it IS one of the most highly anticipated games for the PS3 and I doubt Sony would let go of the game that easily.
What I see is that the game gets released on the PS3, THEN it gets ported to the Wii and 360. If anything, the PS3 exclusivity will be very short and limited.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 15, 2007, 07:26:37 PM
I think the fact that we've seen nothing about it in a year and seven months is more telling than anything. Capcom's show came and went and we saw nothing about RE5. Doesn't that seem odd to anyone else?
Post by: Shift Key on April 15, 2007, 07:45:38 PM
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If anything, the PS3 exclusivity will be very short and limited.
Sony moneyhats only come in two sizes: "we want you for a lifetime" and "make me a port".
Post by: Arbok on April 15, 2007, 08:13:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
Sony moneyhats only come in two sizes: "we want you for a lifetime" and "make me a port".
GTA3 says hi.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 15, 2007, 08:48:14 PM
RE5 will be overhauled into DMC5 (Devil May Cry Outbreak) and set in the desert to spit in the face of Prince of Persia.
Capcom realized RE5's tired old last-gen RE4 gameplay would be upstaged by RE4 port-of-a-port for Wii.
So it's only obvious that the real eventual RE5 will be overhauled in the hands of Camelot Software and released for Wii.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 15, 2007, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: Shift Key on April 15, 2007, 10:29:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
GTA3 says hi.
I'm not familiar with this "GTA3" you speak of. Is this some sort of organisation dealie?
Post by: the1st_fret on April 16, 2007, 02:09:34 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 16, 2007, 04:35:44 AM
I think KDR's guess is pretty good...Capcom is waiting and watching. It would be one of the smarter moves it's made in a while.
Post by: ryancoke on April 16, 2007, 04:40:57 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 16, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
Post by: CellPhoneGuy on April 16, 2007, 04:36:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
It is actually quite possible for Capcom to completely start over on RE5, they did the same thing for Resident Evil Zero AND Resident Evil 4.
Good point, the RE4 that we all know and love was completely different from what it started as. I am not so sure that RE5 will appear on the Wii, but it is curious that we have not seen any media from it in well over a year.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2007, 07:45:56 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2007, 07:58:56 PM
QuoteWhen you said "days ago" I didn't think you meant it in the literal way.
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
*Cough* I started taking bets for this days ago
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 17, 2007, 01:57:08 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 17, 2007, 05:03:06 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
I don't think it would be that difficult to downgrade the graphics for the Wii version. All they have to do is use lower res textures and trim some polygons. It's alot easier to downgrade graphics than upgrade them.
True, but that still doesn't make it easy, especially if you care about doing a good job, which Capcom usually does...take the PS2 port of RE4, for example. I'm not saying it's impossible...I think it could definitely happen...but there's a reason we haven't seen any PS360 to Wii ports so far.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 17, 2007, 06:33:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
I don't expect any real support from either Capcom or Konami (well Hideo Kojima specifically) on the Wii. So I say RE5, not happening.
That's kind of odd, considering that Capcom showed more support for Nintendo and the Wii at their recent conference than they did for any other console maker.
Capcom Gamer's Day 2007 round-up:
New games
Capcom brings Rocketmen and Talisman to XBLA and PSN
Capcom announces Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations confirmed for America
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix for XBLA announced
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix for XBLA unveiled
Announcements
It's official: Lost Planet finds PC gamers
Capcom snags exclusive MotoGP rights for the PlayStation brand
Two new DS titles for Mega Man's 20th Anniversary
Street Fighter, Mega Man on mobile phones
Capcom to buy/sell IP, publish games with global approach
Hands-ons
Joystiq hands-on: Project Treasure Island Z (Wii)
Hands-on with Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles for Wii
The only titles which Capcom currently has for a next gen console far enough along to warrant demonstrating are Wii titles. Everything else is a porthash or a downloadable game.
Capcom may have made the decision that the PS360 are just too costly to make full-blown games for, hence why they only seem to be developing downloadable games, portable games and Wii games.
And like I said before, people, let's not have the "ship stuck in a bottle" mentality when it comes to media about a game.
Remember SW2K Zelda? (NEVAR FORGET) Remember SW2K1 Zelda? We haven't seen anything about RE5 in longer than the elapsed time between those two Spaceworld shows.
Erase the RE5 trailer from your mind because it has absolutely no bearing on what RE5 is going to look like (and was probably just a prerender anyway).
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 08:06:26 AM
- Umbrella Chronicles new 3d models (Except for Leon probably) are being made for all of the main characters of the series.
- Environments are being re-realized into 3d and if done correctly could be used for a remake of the game they are from.
- Most of the key enemies are being redone in 3d for, wait for it, Umbrella Chronicles.
- RE4 Wii engine, which is probably a modified updated version of the Cube engine.
Now after thinking about that Capcom could release each individual game with an enhanced Wiimake with extras at a bargain price and still make good money because of all of the asset sharing. Not to mention they could 1-up that even and use the lower Wii development costs and the money they save to tweak the games to use the same perspective as RE4 which from what I heard a Lot of RE fans would enjoy. Implement a few goodies for having a save of the previous game and they be printing money at that point.
Turn around and use that money to fund the ground up development of the RE5 Wii version.
Actually after writing this post Umbrella Chronicle, if done right, could get people interested in the rest of the series but where turned off by the genre.
Post by: Crimm on April 17, 2007, 09:38:54 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2007, 10:40:02 AM
talking notable exclusives that have already been released, you fanboys
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 17, 2007, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2007, 11:32:20 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 17, 2007, 12:08:07 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 12:45:59 PM
So Kameo does everything great but the single player gameplay?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 17, 2007, 01:05:02 PM
Totally ignored.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2007, 01:12:52 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Your post was completely REASONABLE which means there's nothing provocative, controversial, or exciting about it.
Totally ignored.
I knew I should have added the cow launcher and a worm...
Post by: Arbok on April 17, 2007, 08:31:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Personally, if Capcom was smart how they manage there assets and build there engines we might be seeing actual Wiimakes of the whole series leading to 5 being done. Heres why I think this.
- Umbrella Chronicles new 3d models (Except for Leon probably) are being made for all of the main characters of the series.
- Environments are being re-realized into 3d and if done correctly could be used for a remake of the game they are from.
- Most of the key enemies are being redone in 3d for, wait for it, Umbrella Chronicles.
- RE4 Wii engine, which is probably a modified updated version of the Cube engine.
Now after thinking about that Capcom could release each individual game with an enhanced Wiimake with extras at a bargain price and still make good money because of all of the asset sharing. Not to mention they could 1-up that even and use the lower Wii development costs and the money they save to tweak the games to use the same perspective as RE4 which from what I heard a Lot of RE fans would enjoy. Implement a few goodies for having a save of the previous game and they be printing money at that point.
Turn around and use that money to fund the ground up development of the RE5 Wii version.
It sounds good, although I'm not sure Capcom would go for it. Also, it should be mentioned that Umbrella Chronicles, in terms of existing games, only covers 0, 1 and 2 according to the interview with the producer. I'm personally excited about what might be seen for 2, but that would make remaking the entire series hard if Umbrella Chronicles was going to be the base as there would be nothing for 3 or CV.
Post by: Ghisy on April 18, 2007, 05:29:47 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on April 18, 2007, 05:58:18 AM
Quoteactually, RE3 Jill can be seen in one of the teasers (in the first one I think).... I'll be pretty dissapointed if they don't cover CV though
Originally posted by: Arbok
It sounds good, although I'm not sure Capcom would go for it. Also, it should be mentioned that Umbrella Chronicles, in terms of existing games, only covers 0, 1 and 2 according to the interview with the producer. I'm personally excited about what might be seen for 2, but that would make remaking the entire series hard if Umbrella Chronicles was going to be the base as there would be nothing for 3 or CV.
regarding what Ceric posted, I must say I don't see that happening.... because
1 - all games are available on GC (and thus Wii) already (archaic control method notwithstanding)
2 - RE has already been remade (although we do know that that fact wouldn't stop Capcom XD)
3 - the most important of all.... Umbrella Chronicles already covers those games! thus remaking them (on the same console no less) would be somewhat... redundant....
and I do think that we'll see RE5 on Wii, based on what has been said (the game has been MIA for almost 2 years), the fact that the Wii has all the main series' games (plus UC, aka "all RE summarized", AND a new RE4 version.... doesn't that look like putting new players up to speed and get them ready for RE5?
), and that the Wii has high chances on being the top selling console this generation... obviously, this makes too much sense, so it won't be happening XD
Post by: Arbok on April 18, 2007, 06:07:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
actually, RE3 Jill can be seen in one of the teasers (in the first one I think).... I'll be pretty dissapointed if they don't cover CV though
Noticed that as well when I saw the interview... my thought might be that you play Jill (since RE3 takes place before and after 2) during the RE2 segments (plot be damned)? Or he was mistaken in his comment. If you do play Jill for the RE2 parts, it would probably mean that the roster won't expand beyond the currently known 4 (in terms of playable).
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 18, 2007, 10:37:44 AM
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That's kind of odd, considering that Capcom showed more support for Nintendo and the Wii at their recent conference than they did for any other console maker.
I don't consider the port of a 2 year old game and a crappy spin-off as support.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2007, 10:57:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma FreakQuote
That's kind of odd, considering that Capcom showed more support for Nintendo and the Wii at their recent conference than they did for any other console maker.
I don't consider the port of a 2 year old game and a crappy spin-off as support.
But seriously, this support might not be the ideal support, but at least its better than what the 360 and PS3 got at the show. I mean, all they got were downloadable versions of old games, PC versions of old exclusives and NO WORD on one of the most hyped titles on the PS3.
Again, not the perfect support, but its more than what the PS3 and 360 got.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 18, 2007, 10:57:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak I don't consider the port of a 2 year old game and a crappy spin-off as support.
Oh, so their Puzzle Fighter rehash release is clearly the cream of the crop, right?
Look, it's not like you have a choice in regards to what you consider support from their Gameday show. I'm not going to play the "Subjectivity Game" with you on their Wii games because pessimistic curmudgeons always beat you if you try to argue semantics.
But seriously, the only next gen system they showed any retail games for was the Wii. Search the internet, search the popular game sites: if you can find a screenshot of RE5 which isn't from 2005 then I'd love to see it.
In fact, if you can find ANY media from this Gameday show for a next gen retail game other than the Wii, I'd like VERY much to see it.
Post by: Viewtiful mario on April 18, 2007, 04:37:26 PM
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HOWEVER, you forget that even if the game is basically vaporware at the moment it IS one of the most highly anticipated games for the PS3 and I doubt Sony would let go of the game that easily.
Actually, every time I here about RE5 people say they'll buy it on the xbox360.
Are you all shure about RE:UC including RE2? I'd bet my Wii that in the intervew he said RE 0, 1, and 3 which I think would be more apropriate since Raccoon City got blown up in RE3 and Umbrella went to hell after that. It wouldn't make sence to have a game that's about the Fall of Umbrella and not include RE3 things. Jill in her RE3 costume in one of the trailers supports my theory.
Plus a on-rail Nemisis fight would kick so much ass.
Post by: Arbok on April 18, 2007, 04:46:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Viewtiful mario
Are you all shure about RE:UC including RE2? I'd bet my Wii that in the intervew he said RE 0, 1, and 3 which I think would be more apropriate since Raccoon City got blown up in RE3 and Umbrella went to hell after that.
Crap, you are totally right. I just watched the interview where 2 was supposed to be mentioned, and he stated 0, 1 and 3... so 2 seems to have been a misprint. Sorry about spreading that around too.
The interview is here:
http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/residentevilseries/media.html
EDIT: Also, they don't have rumble in the game right now, and are hoping they can put that in the game before release... the hell? I mean really, a rumble feature being uncertain? Was this thing planned for the PS3 at one point, or something? Seems odd they would be having trouble with that of all things.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 19, 2007, 03:21:32 AM
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But seriously, the only next gen system they showed any retail games for was the Wii. Search the internet, search the popular game sites: if you can find a screenshot of RE5 which isn't from 2005 then I'd love to see it.
I'm not talking about RE5, though. I'm talking about overall support. We know nothing about RE5 so why argue about that? Besides, how hard is it to show off a port and a cheap spin-off using the assets from the previous games?
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2007, 05:53:11 AM
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EDIT: Also, they don't have rumble in the game right now, and are hoping they can put that in the game before release... the hell? I mean really, a rumble feature being uncertain? Was this thing planned for the PS3 at one point, or something? Seems odd they would be having trouble with that of all things.
I could see their being a big argument about when to rumble. Do you rumble every gun shoot. When they are physically attacked? When do you rumble to put emphasis on whats going on?
That sort of things and it became forget it we'll do it later.
I'm hoping the gun shot sound come out of the Wiimote.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 19, 2007, 07:28:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
I'm not talking about RE5, though. I'm talking about overall support. We know nothing about RE5 so why argue about that?
Well, if you're not talking about RE5, then what ARE you talking about?
That's right: NOTHING, because that's what Capcom showed off for other next gen consoles, NOTHING.
Like I said, you can piss and moan until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that Capcom brought no support to the table for the PS360 aside from a bunch of crap downloadable games.
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Besides, how hard is it to show off a port and a cheap spin-off using the assets from the previous games?
You forget Treasure Island, a game built from the ground up for the Wii.
And as for "assets from previous games", are you daft? The RE mansion never existed in 3D before. It ALL has to be redone into a full 3D environment, as do the subsequent levels which cover RE0, RE2, RE3, CV, and anything else they might throw in.
Listen to yourself: you're trying to argue that NOTHING is somehow better than SOMETHING, and that's not even taking into account that this "SOMETHING" is a $30 port with updated controls, widescreen and content which only PS2 users got, a new game in the lightgun vein designed for the Wii and a new IP which is a point-and-click adventure, something many users on this very board are excited to see return.
Again, I don't care if you want to make it sound like these Wii games from Capcom killed and ate your family: no matter how bad you make them out to be, they're still a vast improvement over nothing, which is exactly what they showed for the PS360.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 19, 2007, 09:55:46 AM
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Well, if you're not talking about RE5, then what ARE you talking about?
Support from Capcom in general. You're too busy referencing the Capcom Gamer Day event but you don't look at the whole picture. Yeah, what they announced at gamer day did look like it was in Nintendo's favor, but what about when you look at it from a long period of time?
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That's right: NOTHING, because that's what Capcom showed off for other next gen consoles, NOTHING.
You're too busy referencing the Capcom Gamer Day event but you don't look at the whole picture. Yeah, what they announced at gamer day did look like it was in Nintendo's favor, but what about when you look at it from a long period of time? Do you really want me to list all the other games they're giving to the PS3, 360 and PC?
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And as for "assets from previous games", are you daft? The RE mansion never existed in 3D before. It ALL has to be redone into a full 3D environment, as do the subsequent levels which cover RE0, RE2, RE3, CV, and anything else they might throw in.
You do know that pre-rendered images does exist in 3D, right? They're built on more powerful computers and stored are an image, but for the pre-rendered image to exist in the first place requires it to be built in 3D.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2007, 09:59:18 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
EDIT: Also, they don't have rumble in the game right now, and are hoping they can put that in the game before release... the hell? I mean really, a rumble feature being uncertain? Was this thing planned for the PS3 at one point, or something? Seems odd they would be having trouble with that of all things.
I could see their being a big argument about when to rumble. Do you rumble every gun shoot. When they are physically attacked? When do you rumble to put emphasis on whats going on?
That sort of things and it became forget it we'll do it later.
I'm hoping the gun shot sound come out of the Wiimote.
IT'D BETTER NOT
The sound is weak and thin and crackly and totally lacks fist. That kind of sound output is ok for Star Wars toys and backyard lightsaber battles. But not for a sharp-looking game like this.
Say you goto Starbucks to meet a friend and have a conversation. Yet you listen to youselves via walk-talkies. *insert Louis Black bewildered shaky-face reaction*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 10:06:23 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2007, 10:28:57 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 10:39:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
It is THAT bad. Even in TP and Monkey Ball it was bad, and those didn't have bass-heavy gunshot noises.
And since when has personal opinion and preference become actual fact?
I personally found no issues with it. Like I said, the speaker isn't PERFECT, but in the games I've played it adds some charm and detail to the experience.
The use of the speaker surprised me greatly in WW, especially with the pick up the phone micro game.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 19, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 19, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
QuoteIt is an option. If you don't want to hear it, then turn it down all the way, and it will come out of your speakers.
I think remote speaker use should be an option.
There's no harm in including it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 19, 2007, 04:43:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak Do you really want me to list all the other games they're giving to the PS3, 360 and PC?
No, cause I'm nice enough to do it for you.
ANNOUNCED RETAIL GAMES FOR ALL SYSTEMS:
360
Capcom N.A. Team Project [untitled]
Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5
PlayStation 3
Capcom N.A. Team Project [untitled]
Capcom PS3 Action Project [untitled]
Devil May Cry 4
Monster Hunter 3
Resident Evil 5
Wii
Capcom Inafune Project [untitled]
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes
Treasure Island Z
PC
Devil May Cry 4
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
Monster Hunter Frontier Online
Now, considering that the Capcom gameday is a good gauge of which projects Capcom is working on right now, the absence of these other games suggests that they're not on the forefront of their development track at this point in time. I'm perfectly aware that gameday is a snapshot and not a timeline.
However, my aforementioned point stands, and each month that passes continues to close the gap between the Wii and 360 worldwide. Do you think that Capcom's decision to push Wii titles to the front isn't intentional?
They're doing what any sensible developer would right now and waiting to see how this pans out, only releasing games that are cheap to develop for: VC games, XBLA games, portable games and Wii games. Why blow $30-50 million developing a PS360 game when the console war is still undecided? Why not wait a bit longer to see if bringing these out for the Wii would result in better sales along with cheaper dev costs?
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You do know that pre-rendered images does exist in 3D, right? They're built on more powerful computers and stored are an image, but for the pre-rendered image to exist in the first place requires it to be built in 3D.
You do know that RE0 and REmake were the only games with models up to par with the graphics of the game and that RE2, RE3 and CV will all need to be redone, right?
Post by: Smoke39 on April 19, 2007, 05:13:00 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteIt is an option. If you don't want to hear it, then turn it down all the way, and it will come out of your speakers.
I think remote speaker use should be an option.
There's no harm in including it.
That's not a harware feature; it's a design choice that has to be implemented in each piece of software. Go to the internet channel for example and turn off the remote's speaker. The clicking sound it usually emits when hovering over links doesn't automatically start coming out of your TV speakers.
Anyway, what I was getting at is that the option to use the remote speaker should be provided, as opposed to not utilizing the speaker at all with the assumption that no one would appreciate it.
Post by: IceCold on April 19, 2007, 06:01:49 PM
QuoteAnd what I was getting at was that most (all?) games do give that option.
Anyway, what I was getting at is that the option to use the remote speaker should be provided, as opposed to not utilizing the speaker at all with the assumption that no one would appreciate it.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 19, 2007, 10:13:09 PM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 20, 2007, 03:22:53 AM
Announced:
Dead Rising 2 (unsure about this one, but it's very probable)
Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5
Super Street Fighter II Turbo: HD Remix (XBLA)
Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix (XBLA)
Talisman (XBLA)
Rocketmen: Axis of Evil (XBLA)
Released:
Dead Rising
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting (XBLA)
PS3:
Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5
Rocketmen
Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Talisman
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 20, 2007, 04:37:14 AM
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ANNOUNCED RETAIL GAMES FOR ALL SYSTEMS:
Retail games. Retail, as in "you will need to buy it at a store".
All you did was take the same list I found and readd the crappy downloadable games.
And please, don't embarrass yourself by saying in one post that RE4 Wii is a lousy port which doesn't count and in the next try to pass off a game like "Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix" as "support" from Capcom.
As for the released games for the 360, those were in development before the Wii/PS3 were released. I'm not talking about games which Capcom made before the Wii phenomenon happened, I'm talking about what they have announced for the future and what they're working on, and since Capcom's gameday is a decent indicator of what's on the front burner (because it's playable, has media released, etc.), I will again continue to observe that their support for the Wii is better than we had previously expected but also better in COMPARISON to other next gen consoles.
This in turn leads me to believe in the possibility that RE5 is being held back to see how the RE4 port and UC perform on the Wii first.
Sorry, but when a game is allegedly in "development" for a year and seven months but we haven't even seen so much as a new screenshot for it, the company has changed its plans and not told anyone.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on April 20, 2007, 11:17:48 AM
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Retail games. Retail, as in "you will need to buy it at a store".
All you did was take the same list I found and readd the crappy downloadable games.
Here's the thing, you're comparing EXCELLENT downloadable games with a crappy spin-off and some new game the may or may not suck. Yes, I can understand that you don't like the downloadable stuff as much as I do, but there's also no denying the RE:UC is getting negative vibes across the board save for IGN. We're comparing enhanced ports of GOOD games vs a single half-assed spin-off (UC).
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And please, don't embarrass yourself by saying in one post that RE4 Wii is a lousy port which doesn't count and in the next try to pass off a game like "Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix" as "support" from Capcom.
RE4 isn't a crappy port, but it is a port. What you completely missed is the fact that Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix requires Capcom to completely redo the graphics. It isn't a simple port of a game that runs just as well on GC. Both games are ports with enhancements no matter how you look at it.
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As for the released games for the 360, those were in development before the Wii/PS3 were released. I'm not talking about games which Capcom made before the Wii phenomenon happened, I'm talking about what they have announced for the future and what they're working on, and since Capcom's gameday is a decent indicator of what's on the front burner (because it's playable, has media released, etc.), I will again continue to observe that their support for the Wii is better than we had previously expected but also better in COMPARISON to other next gen consoles.
Ok, some of the games on 360 were released before Wii, so I'll give you that, but if you use the Capcom Gamer Day as an indication to the future, then I'd say you should keep your expectations low. Remember the Capcom 5 many years ago? How about announcing RE4 PS2 to sabotage the GC's version's sales? Don't tell me announcing a month before launch won't cause people to change their mind about buying it for the GC.
I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
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I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.
There's the crust of the matter isn't it. I doubt we be really going at it if Capcom had kept their word last gen.
Anyway, on the speaker thing I want mare granularity on how loud the sounds are, I have mine turn to 1 bar and its still to loud for me and I like have things like the click for links. Also an ingame option to adjust the volume and turn it off.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 20, 2007, 12:38:18 PM
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Here's the thing, you're comparing EXCELLENT downloadable games with a crappy spin-off and some new game the may or may not suck. Yes, I can understand that you don't like the downloadable stuff as much as I do, but there's also no denying the RE:UC is getting negative vibes across the board save for IGN. We're comparing enhanced ports of GOOD games vs a single half-assed spin-off (UC).
First of all, "excellent" is entirely subjective, especially if you're talking about Street Fighter and the fact that Capcom isn't even beating a dead horse anymore. There isn't even meat left. They're just pounding the grease stain further into the dirt now.
Second, I'm comparing all of Capcom's support, RE4 Wii, UC and Treasure Island.
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RE4 isn't a crappy port, but it is a port. What you completely missed is the fact that Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix requires Capcom to completely redo the graphics. It isn't a simple port of a game that runs just as well on GC. Both games are ports with enhancements no matter how you look at it.
But one of them is substantially cheaper to develop, and THAT'S the point I'm making here. Where are Capcom's projects for PS360? The fact that they were all MIA at this show is evidence that Capcom is taking a different route internally.
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I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.
If you're looking for substantial, I can't offer you evidence of their support of the Wii beyond the games you're already dismissing, but their gameday DOES stand as substantial evidence that they're not working as hard on PS360 projects as we previously thought.
If they've been working on RE5 or DMC4 all this time since they were announced, then where's the new media? Where are the new screens, playable floor demos, etc.?
I'm not going to try to convince you to care, but my point is that Capcom could be at least porting RE5 to the Wii and their current behavior corroborates the theory.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2007, 12:49:24 PM
Capcom's Game Day is about Capcom games, if they have any.
This year's dumbed-down E3 sure as hell isn't a Capcom Game Day, so why would they wait to show things off to press who will have their attention and time divided, while their Game Day pits them directly with press who showed up specifically for Capcom games?
Given the downgrading Lair and Motorstorm got, people should be ready to cry once they see the "new" "latest" "high-def" ps360 RE5.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 01:17:59 PM
... but new-gen is better! &P
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Post by: Smash_Brother on April 20, 2007, 03:07:50 PM
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This year's dumbed-down E3 sure as hell isn't a Capcom Game Day, so why would they wait to show things off to press who will have their attention and time divided, while their Game Day pits them directly with press who showed up specifically for Capcom games?
Exactly.
Which is why I find the lack of RE5 (and to a lesser extent, DMC4) at their gameday to be so interesting.
Post by: Arbok on April 21, 2007, 06:44:05 PM
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Which is why I find the lack of RE5 (and to a lesser extent, DMC4) at their gameday to be so interesting.
*dusts off the devil's advocate hat*
Maybe it's because they felt RE5 and DMC4 could stand on their own, and so they wanted "gameday" to focus on titles that might normally get lost in the shuffle?
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 21, 2007, 08:17:01 PM
They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.
If the Wii sells even 75% of the number of copies as a game on the PS360, it still has a chance of making the same amount of money for Capcom if not more so because development costs are so much lower.
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2007, 03:56:57 AM
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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.
I have to disagree there. I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles. In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets. Things that are for the most part system independent. Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible. Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad. Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 22, 2007, 08:33:05 AM
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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.
I have to disagree there. I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles. In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets. Things that are for the most part system independent. Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible. Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad. Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.
So they've been working on the RE5 storyline for 1.5 years?
Uh huh, sure.
Post by: Louieturkey on April 23, 2007, 01:14:57 PM
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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.
I have to disagree there. I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles. In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets. Things that are for the most part system independent. Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible. Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad. Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.
So they've been working on the RE5 storyline for 1.5 years?
Uh huh, sure.
I'm guessing they started working on it before RE4 was finished for the Cube. But this quiet probably means they are having trouble in getting a playable version out, or even an in-game video. So they could either just be having a lot of trouble, or your prediction of RE5Wii may be correct.
Post by: Amodaus1 on April 24, 2007, 01:10:20 PM
But capcom did make dead rising and Lost planet for 360 and HAVEN'T ported to any other CONSOLES. That makes me split on this issue. So for bets, I'm not putting one down until Smash puts up some Dead rising port images.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2007, 01:39:25 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 24, 2007, 02:35:54 PM
Like I said, the part of this I can't reason around is the total lack of media for these other titles.
At these shows, they'll show off ANYTHING they have. Even more prerendered videos would have better than absolutely NOTHING.
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RE4 took a long time. Didn't they restart development of it three times?
We saw RE4 footage for a while after development, though, including a complete revamp of the game from the original design, but we SAW the media for it.
Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2007, 04:57:33 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 24, 2007, 05:08:44 PM
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I'm not really convinced that the lack of RE5 info suggests a possible Wii version. I think Clover disbanding and Shinji Mikami, who was basically in charge of the entire main series, leaving Capcom has a lot to do with RE5's stunted development.
Didn't Mikami leave Capcom BEFORE RE 5 was unveiled? I remember that the news of him leaving Capcom happened around the RE 4 was released for the GC and was then announced for the PS2. It was Capcom's decisions that caused him to leave, if I am not mistaken.
That was back at the beginning of 2005, and the RE 5 trailer happened sometime in the middle or end of the year.
Still, its hard to deny that the absence of new footage is weird and could lead to potential development changes, whether they be an updated version heading to both the 360 and PS3 or an updated version for the Wii.
Also, Clover studios had NOTHING to do with the development of RE 5, so I doubt their closure delayed things further.
Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2007, 07:39:03 PM
Also, I had a feeling that someone would call me out on mentioning Clover so allow me to explain. No, I wasn't inferring that Clover was originally developing the game or anything. Rather, closing a whole team means internal restructuring. Apparently (and I say "apparently" because I read this on wikipedia), members of Clover are now working on RE5. Dissolving Clover also put Shinji Mikami in limbo. They moved him from Studio 4 to Clover so with Clover no more, then what? We know now that he moved on to Seeds. He might still be involved with RE5, but all that reshuffling of staff certainly must have had an effect on development.
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 03:28:17 AM
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Smashbro is convincing me here. At first I thought, no way, but it seems remotely plausable now.
But capcom did make dead rising and Lost planet for 360 and HAVEN'T ported to any other CONSOLES. That makes me split on this issue. So for bets, I'm not putting one down until Smash puts up some Dead rising port images.
I notice you excluded PC's their/there/they're.
Edit: Actual at one point I read it was either a press release from Capcom or an interview with one of the execs. Were they said that Clover Studio was a weird entity to begin with within Capcom and had been dissolved so that the personnel could be moved around Capcom par normal.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 25, 2007, 02:16:50 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 25, 2007, 03:20:50 PM
Hand to god, it's true.
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
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Ceric, he said "consoles." In capital letters. As in, excluding the PC.
Hence why I said, and I quote,
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I notice you excluded PC's their/there/they're.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 25, 2007, 06:28:22 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 05, 2007, 05:48:39 AM
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- Mr. Kawata is asked about the possibility of another Resident Evil game on Wii besides the two we know of. “We haven’t decided on that yet. We think a lot about the future of the franchise, and the best ways to keep on telling its stories.”
What do you guys think?
Thanks to GoNintendo for the heads up!
Post by: Kairon on May 05, 2007, 09:50:05 AM
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 05, 2007, 02:18:23 PM
Post by: Mario on May 06, 2007, 02:20:24 AM
The train part from RE0 is confirmed to be in the game, which is gonna RULE.
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Tilting the Nunchuck allows you to slightly move the camera to reveal hidden objects/power-ups
Still camera confirmed, hopefully you can move it more than just a few cms. Maybe a zombie could jump out at you from a place offscreen.
EDIT: Oh yeah, this is not the RE UC thread. This thread sux
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 07, 2007, 06:32:42 AM
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EDIT: Oh yeah, this is not the RE UC thread. This thread sux
This thread fooled joo!
