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Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2007, 09:39:39 AM
Though I sort of wish you had the option to pick from the three or do a questionaire that would pick the best starting pokemon for you. It would choose from a wider variety of pokemon that were still on par with the 3 starters.
I'm hoping to catch a Farfetch'd.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 05, 2007, 05:29:25 PM
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I'M GONNA CATCH A BROCK *LICKS LIPS*
His face will take up the entire screen! >=|
Post by: WuTangTurtle on April 07, 2007, 11:28:26 PM
wtf am i gonna do?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 08, 2007, 02:38:54 AM
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 08, 2007, 03:25:03 PM
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His face will take up the entire screen! >=|
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 07:54:43 AM
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Well, the penguin evolves in to a water/steel type. There's no ice in there.
Seriously... Whatsup with that...
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2007, 09:06:52 AM
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Well, the penguin evolves in to a water/steel type. There's no ice in there.
Seriously... Whatsup with that...
I know, I'd so pick the penguin, if it would become an ice type! But, oh well. . .
Edit: I just realized that it would throw off the balance of the starter set. Ice beats both ground and grass, so the penguin would gain some leverage over the turtle. It all makes perfect sense.
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 10:00:05 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on April 10, 2007, 07:41:57 AM
There are so many water/ice types anyway, why do we need another? Take your pic from Dewgong, Lapras, Cloyster, or Walrein. There needs to be alot of variety like Steel/Water.
Oh boy I can't wait to battle you guys! Im never secretive about my Pokemon either, I never use any Ubers and always use Primeape! He's cool, not very strong defensive wise, and underused, thats a winning combination!
Post by: Mario on April 10, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: AwesomeMan on April 10, 2007, 03:34:34 PM
i didn't even know this game was comin out.
Edit:was just reading some stuff about D/P i can't decide between Turtwig and Piplup, prolly gonna pick turtwig cause turtles are awesome though.
Post by: BlkPaladin on April 12, 2007, 10:50:21 PM
Two Pokemon you will want to get when you are able to are the Lucario (you get it after the side quest at Steel Island before/after the seventh gym you gets its egg. It's a fighting steel type.
And the ground/dragon which is in a hidden cave under the bike road (its completely under it but you have to be able to use strength to get into the main part of the cave which is either the sixth or seventh gym also....) It has three forms and holds up well against this game's version of the elite four even in a lower level.
Oh and if you want any of the starter Pokemon for any of the games I have them, and Eeves. I will also trade/give (ie trade for a worthless one) the rares mentioned above they are caught so far into the game that if you want them in your party for the end of the game you will have to take the time to build them up. These are not hacked since I have the Japanese version of Ruby I'm using that to funnel my Pokemon I got from the Gamecube games, Emerald, Fire Red etc into my japanese Diamond. (Pal Park doesn't open up until you talk with Professor Oak, he visits the Professor from this one after you complete the main game.) And the Ditto trick with the Day Care center works wonders once they start producing eggs sometimes they produce them in quick sucession.
There is an Apdoption/Trading center in one of the Towns that uses the Wi-Fi but my experience with it is the people who offer their breed Pokemon are rip off artists. One person wants a lvl 100 Pokemon for the Grass Type starting Pokemon (lvl 1)...
Oh the game release date is the 20th..
Post by: WuTangTurtle on April 13, 2007, 08:07:58 AM
Post by: BlkPaladin on April 13, 2007, 01:23:54 PM
As for the stage all I know about it is it is an expanded contest from the GBA games. (It hits me something like the ones from the anime Battle Frontier)
You also get four "escort" missions of sort that open up things. All battles are two on two, you get all the exp, your Pokemon are always healed after each battle so you can use them to level up. Three of them I don't know about, the first and the fourth is during the regular story mode. The second is in the cave of Doubt don't know what that opens up, the third is on steel island where you will need to have a spot open in you Pokemon rouster because he gives you an egg that eventually turns into Lucario which is a really good fighting/steel type Pokemon. (After a initial evolution.) The fourth mission is just to help you fight the two Admins so you are healed up afterwards for a one two punch. The first is an impressivly leveled up (compared to his last fight) against the leader of Team Galaxy then with being able to make a temporary reteat a fight to get/kill Dialga/Pelika. (After you get that pokemon go back into the shrine there is a hold item that powers up that legendary's moves, you will see the item behind the Pokemon right before you fight them.)
As I mentioned in my last post there is a trading center that is like the classified but I think most of them are rip off artists.
There is VoIP for the games but since I cannot speak Japanese I haven't been able to test this out. (Since most gamers will be Japanese.)
The battle pyrmid of this game has an Wi-Fi to it so you will you fight in Tournament type battles. A few Fire Red Pokemon are availvable on Northern Island after you beat the game. (Ferrow, Ratticate, Spearow, Ratata, etc I have run into)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 16, 2007, 08:14:10 AM
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Post by: jakeOSX on April 19, 2007, 12:35:09 AM
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Yeah, once they reach DS, they can't ever go back.
does that mean they are deleted from the GBA game? or just simply can't go back?
-j, who is new to the pokemon thing
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2007, 01:43:43 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 19, 2007, 03:19:28 AM
Post by: Pale on April 21, 2007, 08:35:58 AM
I hope it's not a hacked turtwig!
Post by: BlkPaladin on April 22, 2007, 03:09:06 PM
Post by: jakeOSX on April 23, 2007, 12:06:08 AM
so the question, diamonds or pearls?
Post by: Pale on April 23, 2007, 01:39:24 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 26, 2007, 02:29:46 PM
[EDIT] apparently my DS did think last night was friday. I don't know how that happened, but it did. Maybe my DS runs faster than normal ones.
Post by: Wrathy on April 27, 2007, 02:49:39 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 28, 2007, 09:27:27 PM
"Pokemon is the ULTIMATE in emergent gameplay!"
Oh my god... so true... this is why they can sell the same game to us time and time again! WE make the game new! NOT THEM!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Shecky on April 29, 2007, 06:59:08 AM
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I'm excited. Some friendly person from Japan traded me a Turtwig for a Magikarp that I named "HelpMeTest".
I hope it's not a hacked turtwig!
Actually this has got me thinking about what Nintendo could be doing with the GTS....
Post by: isaac52 on April 29, 2007, 07:13:29 AM
*points to sig*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 07, 2007, 04:45:00 AM
It may take me a little while to get everything together for my pokemon, but if its a good battle or trades you guys want I can give em to you. And im talking with no legendary uber pokemon, or almost any over used for that matter. I don't care what anyone else uses, mewtwo's, darkrai's, its all good.
I love Primeape by the way, did I mention that? No matter how I rearange the team I use, it's always there.
Post by: LeGit on May 07, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 08, 2007, 07:17:48 AM
Being on topic can anybody tell me all the things I can do to get my Pokemon to evolve via "Love" faster, as it does not evolve by level nor stone.
Post by: that Baby guy on May 08, 2007, 07:42:12 AM
Also, use the Soothe Bell to double all the happiness raising.
Post by: Caterkiller on May 08, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 08, 2007, 08:21:48 AM
I haven't picked up the game yet but I don't know whether to get Diamond or Pearl. Farfetch'd is on the top of my list plus a steel type that was in a shell sort of like a ball with a worm coming out... its been a while.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 08, 2007, 01:40:00 PM
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When they first introduced the Liking thing I got the evolution of Zubat.
I haven't picked up the game yet but I don't know whether to get Diamond or Pearl. Farfetch'd is on the top of my list plus a steel type that was in a shell sort of like a ball with a worm coming out... its been a while.
I'm not quite sure wtf that is that your talking about, then again im a bit out of the loop too. I missed the whole R/S versions and didn't feel like finishing the G/S versions.
Oh and thanks for the pointers guys.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 08, 2007, 01:56:36 PM
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...plus a steel type that was in a shell sort of like a ball with a worm coming out... its been a while.
Uh...Beldum? =3
Post by: that Baby guy on May 08, 2007, 02:01:05 PM
Edit: The tries were unsuccessful, though I have done it once before. Oh well, no loss, just no gain.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 10, 2007, 02:44:49 AM
I also have to use the move deleter to get rid of HM's on several of my pokemon in the GBA games. Had to get rid of fly off my rayguaza.
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Post by: allmypeeps on May 12, 2007, 12:50:10 AM
Over all I give this game a
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Over all I give this game a
Post by: 18 Days on May 12, 2007, 02:11:47 AM
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 12, 2007, 04:00:19 PM
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THIS GAME IS SO HUGE! CHRIST!
Yeah finishing the Elite 4 is only the beginning. I still don't even have a super rod!
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on May 14, 2007, 12:04:36 AM
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Post by: that Baby guy on May 16, 2007, 01:23:47 PM
It basically just pushes the moves up a space, coming in at the bottom, shoving the top move away.
Post by: aquaticmerman on May 16, 2007, 01:55:57 PM
Rustin Allison
Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2007, 02:02:46 PM
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The top move will be erased to make room for whatever new move the pokemon wants to learn. And yes, that includes HMs, so if you haven't gotten to the move deleter yet, and you don't want something to know an HM move, let it learn something through the daycare.
It basically just pushes the moves up a space, coming in at the bottom, shoving the top move away.
Ah, cool.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 23, 2007, 07:37:20 AM
I've been holding off on getting Cresselia because I've been playing Etrian Odyssey and I started Odin Sphere today.
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 23, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
To me though it is pretty useless since you cannot use these in anything but between your friends. And if they don't make it pretty accessible to get them. (Like including the items in a preorder bonus like they did with Jirachi.) From what I seen other than the fact that Nintendo hasn't offered them so they are hacked. They are otherwise legit because all you are hacking is the item to get to the areas to fight them. (The hotel, the pillar on mount corenet and the garden thingy (forgot its name, its through the blocked off enterence in Victory Road it comes to a garden like path that ends with a slab.
Oh did you get the Legendary from breeding Manaphy?
As for a utility pokemon I recomend Bibarel (Bidoof second form) it can lean all the HM moves except Fly, Defog and Waterfall.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 23, 2007, 02:52:01 PM
Using an Action Replay and using the walk anywhere code you can get Darkrai by taking the boat to the island where Cresselia is and walking to the right and eventually you will get to Darkrai's island. The same with Shaymin, you can just walk north from where you are suppose to use an event item and you will reach the path that will eventually reach him. Arceus however will require the event item because he's located above the ground so to speak so you can't walk into his area.
I got a Phione.
I wonder if Nintendo re-releases D/P in a third version like SRE they will make breeding actual Manaphy's possible?
Post by: Mario on May 23, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
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As for a utility pokemon I recomend Bibarel (Bidoof second form) it can lean all the HM moves except Fly, Defog and Waterfall.
It can learn Waterfall =D
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 23, 2007, 07:52:27 PM
Well they may also start shipping D/P with an update on them that elminates the walk anywhere code's effectivness. They did that with a bug in the orginal shipments in Japan there was a bug that allowed you to get them by using the explorer set while challenging the elite 4. Then the only only way to get to them with the newer ones is to use the Event Items. But those are hacked already also.....
I have tried the Wi-Fi battle tower and ouch.... So I'm currently re-breeding my fighting group and giving them supliments this time through. So some quick advice if you want to do the Wi-Fi challenges I would give suppliments and use growth promoting items.
And I don't know if it has been commented on but yes move sets do change if they changed the growth moves. I moved my Feralligator from Emerald and it had frost bite when I started to use it.
Post by: Dasmos on May 25, 2007, 06:19:01 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 28, 2007, 08:43:42 AM
I do have to mostly agree with this.
I mean I want to know how I'm through 2 badges and still most of the time I run into a Zubat, Geodude, or Bidoof. Not to mention that large majority of the pokemon I do run into are not new. In fact a lot of them are from the original. They added what 236 since then...
Also the first Gym is... wait for it... Rock! They could have messed the order around some at the least. I know its a "winning" formula and all but I'm tired of the mix. Why not have me go through an area with say... fire pokemon or electric at the beginning. Just mix it up some... blah...
Post by: Shecky on May 28, 2007, 02:40:49 PM
Had I know about the 10 pokeballs, I wouldn't have been annoyed at buying 10 before I got the freebees. I also could have avoided being annoyed had I found out money is somewhat abundant, since I'm now sitting on 360000 worth.
The GTS *works*. I've gotten every request filled. I'm sure the good requests go quickly, and thus the only ones left are the insane offers. I've run into a few reasonable ones and when I left to catch the requested pokemon, someone else had filled it.
Oh, I do have a question... I was trying to figure out the move "Hidden Power" and it seems to be based on IV's ... what are those? and how does it affect that move. The web is most unclear on the matter.
Post by: Ceric on May 28, 2007, 02:55:27 PM
Heres an article all about it.
Post by: that Baby guy on May 28, 2007, 03:09:54 PM
The Nature your Pokemon has (Lonely, Mild, etc.) Can add 10% to one stat, while subtract 10% from another. This can be very useful apparently, but let me state that there aren't Natures to raise or lower the HP stat, unlike IVs and Evs.
EVs are actually effort values. Essentially, this is the thing Pokerus doubles the amount you receive, and is probably the reason why you may have noticed irregular stat boosts upon a few level-ups. Different Pokemon you battle give hidden points, and upon accumulation of enough of these points in one stat, you gain a one-point in the respective stat. There is a limit of 510 of these points on a Pokemon, and the points can actually be removed through new berries. To use these stats to the maximum effectiveness, you would have to train for some time against specific pokemon. Also, there are new items created to make this training easier.
Now, most players choose to ignore much of these factors, as paying attention to them causes immense attention to the game, beyond realistic acceptibilities. However, as time passes, online play will become more and more competitive between certain groups by virtue of taking advantage of these stat rules. I assure you that I have not ever taken part in any of this kind of stuff, and it is not the reason why I dominate you in a Pokebattle, though at some point in time, perhaps a year or so from now, it may be.
Post by: nintendo_star on May 28, 2007, 04:43:54 PM
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IV's are something the people that actually care to win every single battle use to their advantage. Essentially, even though they may be of the same species, virtually every Pokemon you catch is unique in a small sense. IV's are the means to allow this. Basically, every single stat (HP, Attack, Defense, etc.) has a random value from 0-31 assigned to it upon capture. For every value above "0" by the time you reach level 100, a Pokemon's total stats will be raised by twice the value of that number. For example, if your Pikachu had a special attack IV of 15, by the time that Pikachu reaches level 100, it's special attack will be 30 points higher than the lowest possible special attack for Pikachus, and 32 points lower than the highest obtainable special attack stat, barring the effects of Natures and EVs. I think they are called individual values.
The Nature your Pokemon has (Lonely, Mild, etc.) Can add 10% to one stat, while subtract 10% from another. This can be very useful apparently, but let me state that there aren't Natures to raise or lower the HP stat, unlike IVs and Evs.
EVs are actually effort values. Essentially, this is the thing Pokerus doubles the amount you receive, and is probably the reason why you may have noticed irregular stat boosts upon a few level-ups. Different Pokemon you battle give hidden points, and upon accumulation of enough of these points in one stat, you gain a one-point in the respective stat. There is a limit of 510 of these points on a Pokemon, and the points can actually be removed through new berries. To use these stats to the maximum effectiveness, you would have to train for some time against specific pokemon. Also, there are new items created to make this training easier.
Now, most players choose to ignore much of these factors, as paying attention to them causes immense attention to the game, beyond realistic acceptibilities. However, as time passes, online play will become more and more competitive between certain groups by virtue of taking advantage of these stat rules. I assure you that I have not ever taken part in any of this kind of stuff, and it is not the reason why I dominate you in a Pokebattle, though at some point in time, perhaps a year or so from now, it may be.
This is very confusing. Please explain this in a way that I will understand.
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Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 28, 2007, 10:47:50 PM
Here goes:
Every Pokemon has a base stat. If you battle only Golbats you'll gain an extra point in Speed, so lets say u fight 4 Golbats and your pokemon levels up, that would mean your pokemon would gain a +1 in speed. Most pokemon give you EV's (effort values) in whatever their strongest trait is.
As for the Nature of your pokemon, like thatguy said, it will increase one stat while dropping another.
I wouldn't worry much about this stuff until you beat the elite four, especially since this stuff works in the background of the game, there isn't a way to check how many EV's each of your pokemon have, and since you need to advance in the story of the game your bound to fight Pokemon that you don't want to gain EV's from.
Hope that helps.....
Post by: Mashiro on May 28, 2007, 11:02:13 PM
It's extremely tedious and boring but once it is done, it is pretty rewarding. =)
As Wutang said and I recommend, clear the game first and then think about back-tracking to rebuild / rebreed your team.
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2007, 03:28:45 AM
Post by: Shecky on May 29, 2007, 01:24:29 PM
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I don't explain things in more detail than I currently know. If it is absolutely necessary, I can find a link that may provide more information, but I really don't want to for someone who's sole purpose at the moment is seemingly to antagonize me.
I'm sorry you think that way, it's nothing like that. I'm just slowly learning things from the game and on my own as I go here, and strategy against the CPU is nothing like against a computer. So it's good to be able to challenge human opponents and try to formulate strategies... hence why I don't mind getting beat over and over.
(when I first read that post I didn't relize who it was directed at. I was confused b/c you did answer my question
.... I see now)First... thanks to everyone for the pointers and all the info.
Now I'm pissed at Pokemon.... Let me tell you why....
I thought this would be one of those games that would be reasonably free of the invest your time in order to get what you want just so you can have a little fun against friends or strangers. Turning out to be the same as the others, maybe on the same tier as Guild Wars. Guild Wars pissed me off in that it was supposed to be the game free of any grinding. Just get it and you can pop right on and battle PVP. Great I say! So I pick it up and go straight to PVP only to find out that I have about a half a dozen cookie cutter presets to use. No problem there is a customize button.... but wait! it's empty under this. Why? Well you need to play the single player to fill it in Shecky! Invest tons of hours playing so you can get all those different skills so that you can customize your character.
So a buddy of mine told me that I'd eventually run across a "move relearner" for pokemon, so that I could experiment all the while on movesets. He also mentioned not to try and level every pokemon you get, but to rather get to like a handful and stick with those. Cool so far. Well, the move relearner wants something for the effort, of which I have seen one of thus far. Plus it turns out that these IV's and EV's make enough of a swing (63 points/stat) that it does make a difference against someone who cares to go that route. At least the second part is true, as most normal battle modes you can agree to exclude the legendaries and whatnot. So you can play with pokemon that wouldn't normally be able to stand up to those.
I guess my question is this.... are these types of games so insecure with their balance that they can't give the user the option to say:
1) Pick a pokemon/character
2) Distribute some bonus stats (or EV's as you have it) to customize
3) Pick moves/skills from all available to that type
4) Have fun with it
And don't even bring up single player... if you do your missing the point.
END RANT
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
You don't annoy me, or else I wouldn't play the game against you. This guy has been harassing me since he first had an identity crisis and started inventing things and various persona around the forums.
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This is very confusing. Please explain this in a way that I will understand.
And you bring up one of the reasons I like the Stadium series. It lets you forget about all that stuff, while letting you get balanced movesets for the several Pokemon instantaneously. None of this grinding stuff and the like. Anyways, like I said, I don't do that stuff, I don't have the time to. I find what I like, and put the moves I like on it. Past that, in a year or so, I may get bored and decide to, but it isn't on schedule for a long time.
Post by: Mashiro on May 29, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
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I guess my question is this.... are these types of games so insecure with their balance that they can't give the user the option to say:
1) Pick a pokemon/character
2) Distribute some bonus stats (or EV's as you have it) to customize
3) Pick moves/skills from all available to that type
4) Have fun with it
I think the game does givee you the ability to just have fun with it and you can really choose to play as you like. Playing just among friends casually doesn't need massive time put into the game, nor do you have to bend over backwards worrying about EVs and IVs.
I like the fact that the game has added (albeit somewhat random) layers to it. It makes people who want to play competitively gain more play time out of it (the game) by having to really get down to the nitty gritty of making your Pokemon the best it can be. Sure it's somewhat long and boring working up specific EV's but I feel like it's worth it to gain a slight edge over the competition.
I like the added depth but it's not for everyone I guess.
Post by: Shecky on May 29, 2007, 01:48:29 PM
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Woah, calm down Shecky. I wouldn't type out all of what I did for you if you annoyed me. I was referring to nintendo_star, a.k.a. ARO, a.k.a. Union Pentagon.
You don't annoy me, or else I wouldn't play the game against you. This guy has been harassing me since he first had an identity crisis and started inventing things and various persona around the forums.Quote
Originally posted by: nintendo_star
This is very confusing. Please explain this in a way that I will understand.
And you bring up one of the reasons I like the Stadium series. It lets you forget about all that stuff, while letting you get balanced movesets for the several Pokemon instantaneously. None of this grinding stuff and the like. Anyways, like I said, I don't do that stuff, I don't have the time to. I find what I like, and put the moves I like on it. Past that, in a year or so, I may get bored and decide to, but it isn't on schedule for a long time.
Yeah, sorry about that... I figured that out after I posted. The whole MMO, grinding, and games like WOW and GuildWars obviously strike a nerve with me, and I was reading all this EV and IV stuff my rant was building up
If that's true about stadium, then I might have to get the Wii version comming out... NWR, please point that out in your review (if that's the case)
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 01:51:06 PM
Post by: Shecky on May 29, 2007, 02:03:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
I guess my question is this.... are these types of games so insecure with their balance that they can't give the user the option to say:
1) Pick a pokemon/character
2) Distribute some bonus stats (or EV's as you have it) to customize
3) Pick moves/skills from all available to that type
4) Have fun with it
I think the game does givee you the ability to just have fun with it and you can really choose to play as you like. Playing just among friends casually doesn't need massive time put into the game, nor do you have to bend over backwards worrying about EVs and IVs.
I like the fact that the game has added (albeit somewhat random) layers to it. It makes people who want to play competitively gain more play time out of it (the game) by having to really get down to the nitty gritty of making your Pokemon the best it can be. Sure it's somewhat long and boring working up specific EV's but I feel like it's worth it to gain a slight edge over the competition.
I like the added depth but it's not for everyone I guess.
True, I agree with that. I just think that I'm not the only person who would really enjoy the type of model I outline. Now if you play pokemon without paying attention to EV's then on one hand it does give each person's characater a "personality" that develops as they defeat enemies in single player. Also, if you can only play against friends, then chances are you play against people who share your mentality or at least know who does and doesn't.
So I'm not going to swear off pokemon, but some games could benefit from the "don't make me grind for it" mentality.
And that still doesn't excuse this move relearner fee... is there a beach filled with these scales?
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
Post by: Mashiro on May 29, 2007, 02:29:04 PM
I think an awesome addition would have been to make EVs not a complicated grind but maybe something along the lines of touch screen mini games to strengthen your PKMN . . . because I do agree grinding is boring.
but I also think making things too easy makes it boring . . .
it's tough finding a happy balance ^^;
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 02:32:30 PM
Post by: Shecky on May 29, 2007, 02:41:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
True, the move relearner fee is annoying. As is having to dig up evolution stones. I wish I had the GBA games just to transfer stones over =/.
Curious... how were stones obtained in the GBA games? I figured I'd be able to buy them eventually in this version (what else am I supposed to do with all this cash? or is 340K not that much??)
Post by: Mashiro on May 29, 2007, 02:43:36 PM
Post by: Mashiro on May 29, 2007, 02:44:55 PM
On a side note: working up EVs ain't that bad if you get the battle tower items that increase a specific EV gain by 4.
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2007, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: Shecky on May 29, 2007, 03:38:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Shecky it sounds like what you really want is the Colosseum type games.
Well, thatguys comment really surprised me. I thought the Colosseum games were just about the pretty looks of the battle and pokemon storage. A lot of folks seem to complain about it, but if it does what you guys say then I'm sold.
I hope this up comming title maintains the ability to swap moves and experiment and it shares some of the online experiences from the DS, then all the better.
Hopefully they build on this, I can't quite grab the old GC title, it'll do me no good...
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 03:49:56 PM
Colosseum, and I presume XD, threw all of this out for a story mode. Essentially, all the battle-types, all the pre-made Pokemon, and all of the multiplayer capabilities were thrown out of the window. If I've read right, though, Pokemon Battle Revolution adds pretty much all of this back in, though I'm not entirely too sure. Still, I don't think there will be a way to customize movesets and abilities, but I haven't looked into it much yet.
Anyway, to sum it up, you may enjoy Pokemon Battle Revolution, but read up on it first, so it doesn't underwhelm you like it could. That's what I'll do, once the English version is out and about and there's a little more common knowledge available for it.
Don't don't don't get the Colosseum games expecting what I said about the Stadium games. They are almost two very different things.
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2007, 04:16:33 PM
The original Pokemon Stadium really is the best of that whole series. I really enjoyed some of the mini-games ironically enough, Lickitung one being my personal favorite. The worst part of that though is if you did the Gym thing there whatever your highest pokemon was would be what all the gym masters where and they do some cheap things like having a Richu(sp?) that knew Surf. You couldn't do that in the game so why should they be able to? So it has its flaws. Also if you have an N64 and find a copy listen to the music it is very well done and makes me wonder what they are doing on the DS.
Hopefully Battle Revolution will take a look at the Original Stadium and mimic it. Though as it stands I really hate the plastic look of the pokemon in Battle Revolution.
Post by: Caliban on May 29, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2007, 04:39:24 PM
Post by: Mario on May 29, 2007, 09:23:19 PM
It was awesome in the Stadiums how they all had balanced movesets, even un-evolved Pokemon came into the equation, for example you could choose a Charizard with Ember or a Charmander with Fire Blast.
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The worst part of that though is if you did the Gym thing there whatever your highest pokemon was would be what all the gym masters where and they do some cheap things like having a Richu(sp?) that knew Surf. You couldn't do that in the game so why should they be able to?
I'm pretty sure you could get Surfing Pikachu somehow.
I despise IV and EV training, it's such a pointless process. All it takes is time, and after its all done everyone ends up in the same position against each other. I did it in the GBA versions but now i'm sick of it.
Post by: Caliban on May 30, 2007, 05:26:36 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
I knew it all along. Obviously, my post signifies this. You are now behind on the times...
I'm behind on times? NooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooOOOOo...Sepukku...Tekkai!
Post by: Ceric on May 30, 2007, 07:57:04 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
I knew it all along. Obviously, my post signifies this. You are now behind on the times...
I'm behind on times? NooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooOOOOo...Sepukku...Tekkai!
Sweet. I claim his PS2, copy of Odin Sphere, and DSLite if he has one.
Post by: Caliban on May 30, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
I do have a DSLite...and I kept the DSPhat.
PS: Tekkai is loosely translated as iron mass, so basically my abdominal area was hard as steel and hence I could not fulfill Seppuku to its completion.
Quick, someone start typing about pokemon again before the mods take over our travesty.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 30, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on May 30, 2007, 05:37:05 PM
Post by: Mashiro on May 31, 2007, 03:24:06 AM
In anycase, Shast and I should be on and ready to roll =)
Post by: Caliban on May 31, 2007, 03:50:38 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2007, 04:11:03 AM
I'll be in I just need to set up my pokemon.
Post by: Caliban on June 06, 2007, 10:34:25 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 10:50:50 AM
Post by: Caliban on June 06, 2007, 12:09:30 PM
Speaking of masterball, is there any easy way to get more of these? I don't have any of the prior Pokemon games btw.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 12:14:47 PM
Post by: Caliban on June 06, 2007, 12:42:25 PM
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Post by: matt oz on June 24, 2007, 09:23:10 AM
Post by: Mashiro on June 24, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
Level with the pkmn you like =) theres really no wrong way to go about it.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 24, 2007, 12:59:43 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 24, 2007, 05:07:58 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 24, 2007, 05:46:47 PM
So Nintendo basically found a way to get Pokemon fanatics to buy two copies of the same game then, I take it.
Post by: Mario on June 25, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
Post by: Caliban on June 25, 2007, 02:09:08 AM
Post by: Mario on June 25, 2007, 02:14:20 AM
Post by: Mashiro on June 25, 2007, 05:54:39 AM
I one day hope for a handheld or *GASP* full blown console version of pokemon that allows you to beat one continents champion then move on to another. Kinda like the show, maybe even restrict you to what pokemon you have access to on the next continent until you get to X point or something.
I never got the GBC PKMN games but didn't silver and gold do something similar with revisiting the hoenn region after you beat the johoto area? Wish they would do something like that again.
Post by: Caliban on June 25, 2007, 04:39:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
That's where the game begins!
Actually I did play alot further into the game after I beat the champion (at the 55 hours mark), so I did 45 hours extra, it's just that there wasn't much incentive for me to continue.
Post by: nickmitch on June 25, 2007, 05:24:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Haha so true. It's sad but I really don't like many of the new pokemon prior to getting the national dex. They are cool and all but all of my soon to be final team are guys you get after you beat the game =/.
I one day hope for a handheld or *GASP* full blown console version of pokemon that allows you to beat one continents champion then move on to another. Kinda like the show, maybe even restrict you to what pokemon you have access to on the next continent until you get to X point or something.
I never got the GBC PKMN games but didn't silver and gold do something similar with revisiting the hoenn region after you beat the johoto area? Wish they would do something like that again.
Actually, that was Kanto. Kanto is the original region, then Johto, Hoen and now Shinoh. This worked for G/S/C because Johto and Kanto are on the same land mass, this is why they have the same pokemon league. Hoen and Shinoh are on different land masses all together. But, a full blown version with ALL the regions would pose a problem with the levels of the gym leaders.
Post by: Mashiro on June 25, 2007, 05:37:30 PM
I know it would be weird and a little tricky to work in all the regions but I'm sure they could figure out some system with the levels to make it work.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on June 27, 2007, 04:48:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Actually I did play alot further into the game after I beat the champion (at the 55 hours mark), so I did 45 hours extra, it's just that there wasn't much incentive for me to continue.
So far for me the best thing about the game has been playing against you guys online, if my router died I wouldn't have any incentive to play any further either.
Post by: matt oz on July 01, 2007, 08:38:09 AM
Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2007, 02:06:35 PM
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Ah yes Kanto, thank you (my pokemon history is a tad rusty). Thanks for the back story on how that worked in GSC =).
I know it would be weird and a little tricky to work in all the regions but I'm sure they could figure out some system with the levels to make it work.
You're welcome.
Post by: 18 Days on July 02, 2007, 09:44:30 PM
I was jsut leveling up my Nincada in order to get Shedinja right. I made sure I had an empty spot on my team.
Nincada evovled into Ninjask yep, check my party NO SHEDINJA.
What the hell is going on?
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 09:53:25 PM
Post by: 18 Days on July 02, 2007, 09:55:30 PM
( I didn't have a Pokéball on me. And I jsut saved the game too..." Bloody hell.
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 09:59:01 PM
Well that does suck but hey it only needs to get to level 20 to evolve right =)
Hopefully the pokeball does the trick and it works next time around.
Post by: 18 Days on July 02, 2007, 10:06:18 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 10:15:59 PM
Post by: matt oz on July 04, 2007, 04:33:19 PM
1. Like I mentioned a few posts back, I neglected to capture Dialga when I captured it. Should I restart my game? Or is it not a big deal to not have this Pokemon?
2. I have a Kadabra at Level 50 and finally figured out it won't evolve because it needs to be traded. I put it up at the GTS, asking for another Kadabra in return. If that trade goes through, will it evolve into an Alakazam?
3. How does a Sneasel evolve into a Weavile?
Thanks...
Post by: Arbok on July 04, 2007, 06:47:15 PM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
Okay, I have a few questions:
1. Like I mentioned a few posts back, I neglected to capture Dialga when I captured it. Should I restart my game? Or is it not a big deal to not have this Pokemon?
2. I have a Kadabra at Level 50 and finally figured out it won't evolve because it needs to be traded. I put it up at the GTS, asking for another Kadabra in return. If that trade goes through, will it evolve into an Alakazam?
3. How does a Sneasel evolve into a Weavile?
Thanks...
1. Probably not. Dialga isn't allowed in the Battle Tower, and the most common form of Wi-Fi battles is typically a no-"ubers" gentleman's clause. If you are into that, though, then it might be worthwhile to restart... although that's a lot of work for one Pokémon.
2. I believe so.
3. Equip a Razor Claw on Sneasel, and level it up at night to evolve it. It's worth noting that you will lose the Razor Claw in the process, though.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on July 05, 2007, 06:06:07 AM
Post by: matt oz on July 05, 2007, 11:44:30 AM
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your better off trading with someone you know (or a forum regular) and trade back. This way you know what moves your Alakazam will have and you know the stats that you raised it and such. Personally I've evolved my Kadabra and Graveller from thatguy and shecky from these forums.
That's a great idea. Too bad when I went to get by Kadabra back it had already been traded. It still has 2 of the same moves it used to have, and I haven't used any TMs yet, so hopefully I can just turn it back to normal.
Now I forgot where the name changer is. Can anyone help me?
Post by: Mashiro on July 05, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
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Post by: Nick DiMola on July 06, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
Post by: matt oz on July 06, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
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can't change names of traded pokemon
Yeah, I realized that after the name changing guy said ALAKAZAM was "an impeccable name."
It seems kind of stupid to not allow you to change their names. Is there an actual reason for it, or is it just an arbitrary Nintendoism?
Post by: nickmitch on July 06, 2007, 11:12:50 AM
Post by: nickmitch on July 06, 2007, 11:15:55 AM
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i cant find the 8th gym. anyone know how to get there
Sunyshore City. Check your map, or go to gameFAQs.
Also, downsize your avatar.
Post by: Mario on July 06, 2007, 10:49:36 PM
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can't change names of traded pokemon
Yeah, I realized that after the name changing guy said ALAKAZAM was "an impeccable name."
It seems kind of stupid to not allow you to change their names. Is there an actual reason for it, or is it just an arbitrary Nintendoism?
It makes heaps of sense. It's not your Pokemon. The original trainer has to have some kind of influence on the Pokemon.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 06, 2007, 11:11:12 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 06, 2007, 11:45:51 PM
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2007, 02:54:09 AM
Post by: matt oz on July 07, 2007, 05:27:58 AM
Perhaps that's a bit too philosophical, but if you can name a Pokemon that you capture from the wild, taking it away from its family and friends, you should be able to name one that you get in a trade.
You'd think Nintendo would want to protect all the kids from people who would name their Pokemons 'ImGonnaRapeYou' or 'KidSexIsGreat' by letting them change their names, ya know?
Post by: 18 Days on July 07, 2007, 04:40:22 PM
ANYWAY GUYS QUESTION ABOUT POKERUS!
Once they become aimmune, like they have the little smiley face, do they still experience the benefits of Pokerus, the rapid growth EVs, or is it gone forever. So annoyed that I didn't throw this Zubat into a box before saving up last night.
Post by: Mashiro on July 07, 2007, 04:44:50 PM
"Once Pokérus' effects end, the host develops an immunity to it and pokerus can no longer be transmitted. However, the accelerated stat growth remains, the Pokémon only loses the ability to spread it."
Post by: 18 Days on July 07, 2007, 05:07:26 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 07, 2007, 05:15:23 PM
Post by: Shecky on August 06, 2007, 02:10:31 AM
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So it turns out the Elite four are jerks: Stat raising moves plus Full Restore = cheap, but efficient battle strategy.
Yeah they're a huge step up from all the other battles, although I was able to edge by with my first pass trough (Well my first team selection... I "lost" several times but was saving after each win.) Speaks to the balance of the game I guess as I managed even though only a few of my team members weren't heavy contributors. I lost several times just due to not knowing what to expect.
So does that mean my team becomes available to others online to battle now?
[One of my team members was a former charmander from thatguy. The Charizard was one of the ones that saw heavy use during all five matches and was the only pokemon that I "depleted" any move's PP, so thanks again for that charmander!]
Post by: Halbred on August 16, 2007, 11:30:26 AM
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Post by: DarkShadow on August 16, 2007, 08:12:14 PM
Pokemon Battles/Trades
Diamond FC 3436 9575 0709
Wii FC 0344 6350 0359
Post by: Bl3ssing on March 29, 2008, 01:00:29 PM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 20, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
Just going a little off topic, I even have every Pokemon movie and have some of the seasons of the show on DVD: Season 1; all three volumes, Season 2 Box Set, Season 5; both volumes, and Season 6; both volumes.
Post by: RABicle on May 20, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 21, 2008, 02:50:56 AM
And you call yourself a true fan?
REAL Pokefans have Hey You, Pikachu! in their Pikachu N64, hooked up and ready to play at anytime.
No, I'm just a big fan of Pokemon. I would love to have Hey You, Pikachu! in my Pikachu 64, but I never owned the game. Technically, my younger brothers had it, but I don't know if they still do because that would mean that I have to talk to my mother and I refuse to have any contact with her, so I'm hunting for it on Ebay. I already got the Pikachu N64 off of Ebay.
I did, however, forget to mention about my Pokemon cards and Pokemon E-Reader cards, my Pokemon game guides, and Pokemon GBC (the one that's yellow and blue with different colored A and B buttons). I used to own Pokemon toys, but I gave them to my little sister because she's a Pokemon fan too.
Unfortunately, I don't have all the money in the world to get every, single Pokemon thing. If I did, where the heck would I put all of that stuff?
I do have pictures of my Pokemon collection on my MySpace.
Post by: RABicle on May 21, 2008, 05:09:35 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 21, 2008, 05:10:59 PM
LOL mate I was kidding. Your collection is insane.I warned her of this in the welcome thread, she didn't listen! ;)
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 22, 2008, 02:00:44 AM
@DAaaMan64: But...I didn't feel...insulted. Oh, why am I so misundstood?! Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! *pant pant pant* Whew, okay, I'm good. LOL.
Well, I really did leave out part of my collection in my first post and nickmitch mentioning the Pikachu N64 was like 'oh man, I forgot about that'. So, it's all good.
I just realized that I forgot to put 'J/K LOL' next to my where the heck I would put that stuff sentence. Oopsy!! LOL.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 22, 2008, 03:55:49 AM
:D
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 22, 2008, 04:46:26 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on May 23, 2008, 03:47:04 PM
Also, I have two copies of Hey You Pikachu (I got the extra in a box of Atari 2600 games I bought at a garage sale). I don't have a microphone for it, but anyone that's a Pokemon collector could have it if they wanted it.
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 23, 2008, 11:51:36 PM
I used to collect Gengar merchandise. The little fastfood Gengar with light-up eyes roosts on my computer. It acts as a gargoyle, protecting me from evil spirits, household demons, and any sort of organism that might be frightened by a grown man that owns a Gengar toy.
Also, I have two copies of Hey You Pikachu (I got the extra in a box of Atari 2600 games I bought at a garage sale). I don't have a microphone for it, but anyone that's a Pokemon collector could have it if they wanted it.
Gengar is a pretty cool Ghost/Poison Pokemon.
You mean you don't have a microphone for any of the copies of Hey You Pikachu?
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on May 24, 2008, 04:38:07 AM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 25, 2008, 12:35:25 AM
I'm just throwing this question out there, but is anybody going to the Toys R' Us Event for Darkrai next weekend. I am!
Post by: Kurisu on May 25, 2008, 04:35:30 AM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 25, 2008, 10:47:34 PM
Darkrai event!! really? How come I haven't heard of this? I'm definetly there, I missed the last one Toys r us had with the Manaphy
I did too, but if you have Pokemon Ranger, you can do a special mission with the Manaphy Egg and put it into your Diamond or Pearl version.
May 31st and June 1st from Noon to 4 p.m. is when you should go to Toys R' Us because that's when they will be distributing Darkrai. They are doing this to promote the movie that's coming out on Tuesday. I already preordered a copy of the movie at MovieStop.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 25, 2008, 11:00:49 PM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on May 27, 2008, 02:04:35 AM
Post by: Pale on June 01, 2008, 01:06:17 PM
I'm gonna get it up on the NWR blog as soon as the site comes back.
Post by: Kurisu on June 02, 2008, 02:44:54 AM
Post by: RABicle on June 02, 2008, 12:31:24 PM
Post by: MarioRocks08 on June 06, 2008, 02:52:47 AM
Because of the ribbon he's got.
*scratches head* Why would a ribbon do that? That seems strange.
Post by: Deep-Six on June 10, 2008, 01:32:35 AM
I also got Darkrai, I think I was the oldest person in line :S I used my 5$ off coupon to buy Word Coach DS for 5 bucks. I think this is the only 3rd party game I own! Anyways, I tried to use Darkrai in Battle Revolution in an online battle to try him out, and it wouldn't let me, does anyone know why? I've fought several Darkrai's online before, why can't I use mine?
What do you mean stand in line? When I got Manaphy I was able to download it from the bathroom.
Post by: Deep-Six on June 10, 2008, 01:35:12 AM
DEOXSYS POKEMON EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://gonintendo.com/?p=45534/u]
Holy **** YAH!!!!!!!!
Post by: MarioRocks08 on June 19, 2008, 08:42:34 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEOXSYS POKEMON EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://gonintendo.com/?p=45534/u]
Holy **** YAH!!!!!!!!
NIIIIIICE!!!!! Since I have Diamond and Pearl, I'm going both weekends.
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on June 29, 2008, 06:37:13 AM
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/%27Pok%C3%A9mon_151%27_brand_to_cater_to_adults
If there's a way for me to purchase and cram my chunky frame into one of those creepy Hypno shirts, I'll find it.
Post by: jakeOSX on June 30, 2008, 03:24:39 PM
If there's a way for me to purchase and cram my chunky frame into one of those creepy Hypno shirts, I'll find it.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/gameArt.cfm?artid=13853
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Post by: MarioRocks08 on July 02, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
Post by: BwrJim! on July 10, 2008, 02:06:17 AM
now we have it again, but so many pokemon lost. An almost complete pokedex, now back down to almost 0...
sad....
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Toys R Us is giving out Regigigas and Sheymin.
Febuary 8th-14th for Shaymin.
March 8th-21st for Regigigas
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