Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 12:07:34 PM
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Shigeru Miyamoto - Nintendo fan boys (and girls) go gaga over everything “Shiggy” says, but come on. He doesn’t create games by himself. Sometimes, he joins teams and, whether he intends to or not, receives all of the credit. He earned his place among the industry elite, thanks to his early contributions, but please add new (and memorable) characters to the Mario universe. Even better, come up with new IPs. Introduce us to new worlds and faces instead of falling back on the same overused franchises. In addition, cut back on the forced appearances. We feel uncomfortable watching you conducting imaginary orchestras and swinging the Master Sword to make gamers cry with joy.
Some others on this list are Hideo Kojima (MGS), David Jaffe (God of War), Koji Igarashi (Castlevania), and Reggie (who is number 1, Miyamoto is 2). Personally I think this list is an insult to Miyamoto, ranking him as more overrated than Jaffe, Igarashi or even Kojima seems like a freaken insult, the man has created more influential games and genres than them put together. Reggie, I don't really care about his placement, personally I feel he has been lacking a bit as president and seems more talk than action, though I could definatley be proven wrong down the line. It is kind of funny though, I was thinking of creating a topic based around overrated game designers but gamedaily beat me to it with their stupid analysis!
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 12:14:46 PM
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Post by: Smoke39 on March 22, 2007, 12:16:02 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 12:24:42 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'm not even sure who exactly I would choose as overrated, maybe Will Wright because he seems stuck on the simish genre, not to say his games aren't of high quality, but I feel he doesn't have much diversity when it comes to different genres. Anyway what I feel most amusing is saying Miyamoto isn't creating new IPs, um last time I checked Pikmin and Nintendogs were new Miyamoto IPs!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRTGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[B}KAIRON GO TO WAAARRRR
WILL WRIGHT IS A GOD!!!
Seriously! Don't look down on the Sims genre, the franchise has sold 70 million units worldwide, and it's almost 50% female in its userbase. It also has a LARGE number of female developers working on the team, and is OFTEN the only game that girls admit to playing! ASK MY ROOMMATE!
If anything, Will Wright should be WORSHIPPED for taking his "DOLLHOUSE" project and turning it into the MOST POWERFUL EXAMPLE OF FEMALES IN GAMING EVAR!!!
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Post by: Smoke39 on March 22, 2007, 12:26:26 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 02:55:29 PM
. Doesn't change the fact I think he is kind of limited to one specific genre type (At least Spore appears like it could help revolutionize the genre though).
Post by: Smoke39 on March 22, 2007, 03:17:46 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 03:44:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
What's wrong with favoring a particular genre?
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that it shows a lack of diversity in your skills. It is more of a matter of opinion, but I believe that in order to be considered one of the best game designers you should be able to put out variety, which means trying out different genres and having them turn out good.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 22, 2007, 05:10:21 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 07:28:18 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Moderator, please delete this thread.
Let's not, because I want to hear some opinions on which designers (or those in the gaming industry) that the individuals here think are overrated and why.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 22, 2007, 08:03:13 PM
Of course Miyamoto doesn't program the games himself, that's why he's a game designer. However, it's his job to make the game design work and the game fun.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 08:22:48 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
That's polling.
Of course Miyamoto doesn't program the games himself, that's why he's a game designer. However, it's his job to make the game design work and the game fun.
I'm not polling, I'm making a "suggestion" based on the topic, and am interested in "hearing" what people here have to say in regards to this topic. Personally like I said I think Will Wright is a bit overrated as is the creator of Castlevania (I don't recall the guy doing much beyond the series). I am not sure if Tezuka would qualify as overrated but it looks like when he is released from Miyamoto's supervision the results are good but not great (NSMB being an example of this. The, while of high quality seems to be missing the depth and design of previous Mario's) I'd have to think a bit more about some others, not sure I would call Sony's Ken overrated though, the guy has been ripped apart by everyone, did he ever really have much respect?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 22, 2007, 08:43:31 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on March 23, 2007, 01:59:01 AM
I agree with most other entries on the list. Reggie is a bit of a joke I think anyway, alot of the hype around him is for fun and Nintendo fans just enjoy the humor that can be had with Reggie comments. I find the Reggie situation somewhat comparable to the whole Chuck Norris thing. Does Chuck Norris really clog the toilet when he pees? No, but it's still pretty funny to me.
Post by: UncleBob on March 23, 2007, 02:05:17 AM
Post by: Pale on March 23, 2007, 02:38:13 AM
Contrary to what they make it sound like in the article, Miyamoto does have a huge say in every game he is involved in. Now, there are so many games that most of them he didn't necessarily come up with or write the game idea, but he still says whether or not something makes it out as it is or requires a change. Some may call that a glorified QA role, but it is a hell of a lot more than that. Product quality is a huge thing inside (most of) Nintendo. While people may bash some of Nintendo's non game related decisions (horse power, hi-def, online structure, etc.), very few people bash the decisions made on games that Miyamoto plays a role in.
Having other people on the list, like Iga, just cements the point even more. "He doesn't do anything new anymore" blah blah blah. The man is one of the leading people in keeping 2D gaming alive. He is an incredibly important person to the industry as a whole. I also find it odd, that in this list they didn't include any MS related developers. Like it or not, they are the newest players in the industry. If anything, some of their developers and producers should be subject to question because of lack of long term examples. I mean, couldn't I say Bungie is overrated because they haven't tried doing anything besides Halo? I mean, that's a similar argument to what they use in other sections of the article.
All of that said, don't even get me started on them even adding Reggie to the list. Reggie is far from overrated unless you try and put him in a role that he doesn't actually fill. The guy markets stuff and all people can do is talk about him and his company. That's some success right there.
/sigh, anyway. Top 5 type lists are pretty stupid anyway. Hit mongering pains in the ass is all they are.
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 03:58:31 AM
Also I believe that being overrated is an International thing.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2007, 05:16:57 AM
I think people assume Miyamoto, and Nintendo in general, just reuse the same IP because the Gamecube wasn't very popular so that big sequels were all anyone from the outside looking in noticed. Gamecube owners knew about Pikmin but no one else really did. If you don't own a console you really only notice the titles you recognize and those are often sequels. Now I think Nintendo does release too many sequels but they do release some new stuff. You can't accuse them of NEVER doing new stuff.
Plus it's hard to really categorize any current Nintendo titles as "Miyamoto titles" because his job position is different now. It was in the past where he was more the "main guy" making games and those games are considered some of the best ever.
If I was going to name someone that's overrated I would have named Yuji Naka but a few years of total crap have kind of killed his legacy so he's no longer overrated. So for now I'd pick Sid Meier just because he puts his name in the title of all his games and that just drives me nuts since outright legends like Miyamoto and Yu Suzuki don't.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 23, 2007, 09:28:32 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 23, 2007, 01:36:16 PM
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Post by: Amodaus1 on March 24, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
In terms of games being created I guess one could consider Reggie since he doesn't do anything related to making games at all. The list was just created to stir sh!t up.
I think people assume Miyamoto, and Nintendo in general, just reuse the same IP because the Gamecube wasn't very popular so that big sequels were all anyone from the outside looking in noticed. Gamecube owners knew about Pikmin but no one else really did. If you don't own a console you really only notice the titles you recognize and those are often sequels. Now I think Nintendo does release too many sequels but they do release some new stuff. You can't accuse them of NEVER doing new stuff.
Plus it's hard to really categorize any current Nintendo titles as "Miyamoto titles" because his job position is different now. It was in the past where he was more the "main guy" making games and those games are considered some of the best ever.
If I was going to name someone that's overrated I would have named Yuji Naka but a few years of total crap have kind of killed his legacy so he's no longer overrated. So for now I'd pick Sid Meier just because he puts his name in the title of all his games and that just drives me nuts since outright legends like Miyamoto and Yu Suzuki don't.
Is Yuji Naka the creator of sonic, cause GOD would i have put him on the list. HE should have been number 1, 2-100 should have been everyone else on sonic team for the past 4 years. I never liked sonic, so i would of have him on there for the past 10-15 years, or however old that mascot is.
I wouldn't bash Sid to much, Civilization is an amazing game, I haven't touched Civ 4 and i hear its aweful, and read why most epople think its awful, but thats becuase, like i am, they are greatly acustomed to the micromangement of 1 through 3 and they proabably hate the fact that they got rid of defense values for an overall power value. But as far as strategy games go, they do't get more technical then civ.
They also should have put the head developer of Bungie's Halo in that list, cause really, it's an FPS damn it, theres nothing special or creative about halo.
