Post by: MaryJane on March 22, 2007, 01:03:26 AM
I have been holding off getting an X360 so I can get a Wii first, but if this comes out before I get a Wii, I will be buying this.
If only the Wii were to come out in black, I'm going to have to buy a case for my Wii, but I digress.
New Features:
120GB HDD - Confirmed
It's Black - Confirmed
1080p Output - Confirmed
$479 - Unconfirmed
Built in WiFi - Unconfirmed
Built in HD DVD Drive - Unconfirmed
Post by: capamerica on March 22, 2007, 03:37:16 AM
according to MS they rather give the console owners the choice of wanting an HD-DVD drive or not and on top of that nether format has much of a share of the market so its pointless to put either of them into it.
There is talk that the HD-DVD drive is going to be dropping to about $120. So with that in mind the Elite Xbox360 with HD-DVD drive is the same Price as the 60GB PS3.
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 22, 2007, 04:45:50 AM
Just curious. I hope they do drop the price, but that Kotaku story was probably the worst thing they've ever run - it was based on one single post on CheapAssGamer. No one else there was able to duplicate it. And then in typical Kotaku fashion ran an article declaring HD-DVD dead because one guy said the drive was $120 at his Walmart.
Ah, Kotaku. Acting like journalists, but only when it serves them.
That said, I really hope they drop the price. I'd pick one up in a heartbeat at $120.
Post by: Artimus on March 22, 2007, 05:49:44 AM
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Originally posted by: hudsonhawk
Where are you hearing the $120 rumor on the HD-DVD drive? Are you getting that from the Kotaku story?
Just curious. I hope they do drop the price, but that Kotaku story was probably the worst thing they've ever run - it was based on one single post on CheapAssGamer. No one else there was able to duplicate it. And then in typical Kotaku fashion ran an article declaring HD-DVD dead because one guy said the drive was $120 at his Walmart.
Ah, Kotaku. Acting like journalists, but only when it serves them.
That said, I really hope they drop the price. I'd pick one up in a heartbeat at $120.
Actually I'd say Kotaku almost never pretends to be journalists. Unlike, say, Joystiq.
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 22, 2007, 06:19:07 AM
But yeah, I agree, Joystiq is worse. I can't read it at all. GameSetWatch is my fallback gaming blog, but it can be pretty esoteric (not Insert Credit esoteric, but esoteric nonetheless).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 22, 2007, 06:33:26 AM
Post by: vudu on March 22, 2007, 06:52:54 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 07:02:35 AM
QuoteBut would you still be covered under the 1 year warranty?
Originally posted by: vudu
If this comes true I'll probably pick up a used 360 for cheap off of eBay. I'm sure there will be loads of people wanting to unload their old systems.
Post by: TrueNerd on March 22, 2007, 08:09:41 AM
Post by: IceCold on March 22, 2007, 08:42:27 AM
Revolution ---> 360
DS LITE --> Xbox 360 eLITE
Post by: vudu on March 22, 2007, 08:45:55 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2007, 08:54:37 AM
If an Xbox 360 was priced at $300.00 I wonder what that would do to the market. The Price of the Wii would need to be dropped, perhaps to $199.99 And the PS3 would be left looking very expensive.
But I don't believe in any way shape or form that the current Premium Package would go for the price of the Core any time soon.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 09:11:38 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 09:29:24 AM
The only quality advantage HDMI offers is added insurance against EMF interference due to a digital signal. If you've already got component hookups and no interference problems plaguing your geography/setup, then HDMI offers no quality boost. You just simply have a few less cables to hookup.
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 22, 2007, 09:38:19 AM
With component and VGA the signal is going from digital to analog, going over a wire, and then getting turned from analog back into digital again.
With HDMI and DVI-d the signal stays digital the whole time.
HDMI has a higher color palette than component as well (component has constrained bandwidth, even versus VGA which is why even it looks better).
I'm not saying component looks bad, but dismissing it outright as something the human eye can't perceive is outright false. The difference is very apparent if you do an A/B.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 09:45:25 AM
I wish everything used USB.
Post by: SixthAngel on March 22, 2007, 10:20:57 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 11:57:04 AM
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Post by: Djunknown on March 22, 2007, 02:21:13 PM
What I'm surprised is the lack of built-in Wi-Fi. HDMI ports aren't that expensive, right? So where's the extra $179 coming from? Built-in Wi-Fi would basically seal the deal. It would fit Microsoft's vision of the connected entertainment hub.
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 22, 2007, 04:27:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Djunknown
Besides, HD-DVD's max output is 1080i if I'm not mistaken, component cables are good enough.
HD-DVD is natively 1080p, just like Blu-Ray. The only significant difference between the two formats is disk space and compression algorithms.
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So where's the extra $179 coming from? Built-in Wi-Fi would basically seal the deal. It would fit Microsoft's vision of the connected entertainment hub.
It's only $79 more expensive. Not justifying it, just questioning your math.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 04:37:25 PM
Post by: Arbok on March 22, 2007, 06:13:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Djunknown
I'm not surprised about the lack of HD-DVD. Microsoft is still a software company at heart, and will have to support Blu-ray if it wins the format wars.
Assuming there is a "winner", and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray don't go on to be the next Laserdisc.
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
MS really doesn't need to justify any of their prices. They are selling the Wifi adapter for 100$, the 20 GB HD for 100$, and a freaken 64mb memory card for 40$.
So because Microsoft is already horribly over charging for their peripheral, they don't need to justify their pricing scheme ...wait, what?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 22, 2007, 07:47:03 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 06:46:56 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 23, 2007, 07:22:30 AM
1. I'm a sucker for anything dubbed "Collectors Edition"(I have 60+ DVDs and 85% are special edtions) as long of course it offers worthy improvements over the non-special edition, price is a non-issue reasonably speaking. (When Halo 3 comes out, I'll will at the very least buy the "middle" special edition, maybe not the helmet, that's going to depend on what the helmet is made of. If it at least feels like a real battle helmet, then I'll get it.
2. I love black. Most of my clothes are black, and I wish more electronics were black, I was really annoyed that the PS3 is the only black console for now. I did see a nice black case Wii case at IGN, they also have a chrome one I'm considering as well. (Of course I first need a Wii, cuz I still can't find one).
I have wanted an X360 for sometime, despite what the haters might say, there are a lot of good games for this system, and as much as I love the Wii, I miss graphics that make me go WOW!
Also there are some games that were exclusive to the PS3 that made me think of getting one in a few years when the price dropped, now developers are porting those same games to the X360, not all have been ported over just yet, but I'm hoping that they will be. (Final Fantasy ::crosses fingers:: )
Until Nintendo (if ever) re-establishes itself as the ultimate gaming machine (with the Wii 2) and all games are made for it, good or bad, I'm going to need a second console. Last-gen it was PS2, because it had all the good RPG's many that I am still playing since I only bought a PS2 in late 2005.
I'm also excited about the possibilities of connecting the X360 to Vista controlled computers. I know there's a lot of hate for Vista, and I agree with it only for purchasing it for an old system. If you're buying a new desktop or laptop, I see no reason not to get Vista, it may not be perfect, (don't hold your breath for a perfect OS) but it works well, and has (maybe just purely aesthetics) better features than XP.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 07:30:29 AM
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 08:24:25 AM
Anyway back on hand. I'll only get the elite if the can guarentee me that they have designed out the original flaws. If its just a repackaging and not a true revision I'll still be waiting.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 08:45:48 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 23, 2007, 10:05:39 AM
What is better control for an fps? Some mouse/keyboard, other say standard controllers, (other yet say the Wii-mote, but it doesn't fit in this discussion) we can finally have some form of measurment! Who overall wins more games Vista players or X360 players will be that measuring stick. Of course the obvious connect is MMORPG's, but really this does have a lot of potential. AppleTV? Screw that! Let's hear it for VistaTV! Cnet reviewed AppleTV and gave it a 7.7 which I don't really understand with their initial breakdown:
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The good: Sleek external design and elegant user interface; simple, streamlined setup; streams music and video files purchased from the iTunes Store; capable of HD video output; includes state-of-the-art 802.11n wireless networking while maintaining backwards compatibility with older Wi-Fi and wired networks; smooth, hiccup-free streaming.
The bad: Only streams iTunes content--leaving it up to you to get your videos into iTunes; current crop of iTunes movies and TV shows look much worse on a big-screen TV; no HD content on iTunes Store; can't connect to older non-wide-screen TVs; small 40GB hard drive has only 33GB of usable disk space; oversimplified remote can't control other devices; no ability to purchase iTunes Store content directly through Apple TV; no A/V cables included; no Internet radio support.
The bottom line: Although the current lack of high-quality video at the iTunes Store is a major shortcoming, the Apple TV delivers a simple and elegant streaming media solution.
How much smaller is the market if you ONLY broadcast to wide-screen TVs? Why not tap the entire market? The possibility of the a better system with the Vista - 360 connection would be great, all TV's are able to use it, you get more out of it, and with the inclusion of HDMI on the Elite systems, you have every connection type for a T.V. Sign me up!!
Edit: AppleTV's best features are the fact that it is only $300 compared to $479 for an Xbox360, though like I said before you get more out of it. The other thing is that is say Apple on it, and works like, and with and iPod. That will tough for MS to overcome.
Post by: SixthAngel on March 23, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
MaryJane you are the kind of customer that companies love. All they really need to do is give you a new color and/or say its rare and you jump all over it. Considering that if ms has half a brain they will be dropping the regular system price sometime this year, especially with the way Wii is going, I wouldn't hold out for an even more ridiculous price point for reasons like that.
I am still in awe that ms has the balls to up the price of the xbox when I thought $400 was already ridiculous. I think that is the primary reason that the 360 is lagging behind the orignal xbox in sales. (the last I heard it was, at least, or has it changed?) This is just going to confuse the hell out of everyone when they see 3 sku's of the same freaking system. At least if I drop 500 on the low ps3 I get a bluray player and the ability to be a tech dick about it.
Post by: MaryJane on March 23, 2007, 12:47:37 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Considering that most of the market for appletv would probably be for higher end tv users it is not that bad of a split.
MaryJane you are the kind of customer that companies love. All they really need to do is give you a new color and/or say its rare and you jump all over it. Considering that if ms has half a brain they will be dropping the regular system price sometime this year, especially with the way Wii is going, I wouldn't hold out for an even more ridiculous price point for reasons like that.
I was already going to buy one, the fact that it has extra features makes it even better, since I think an extra $80 to be different is worth it.
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 02:09:25 PM
Post by: Jin-X on March 23, 2007, 02:17:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
TrueNerd: If Microsoft made the Pro unit for $300.00 or even $349.99 I would consider buying an Xbox 360 for the first time. Though I really doubt that will happen.
If an Xbox 360 was priced at $300.00 I wonder what that would do to the market. The Price of the Wii would need to be dropped, perhaps to $199.99 And the PS3 would be left looking very expensive.
But I don't believe in any way shape or form that the current Premium Package would go for the price of the Core any time soon.
The Wii is still selling out = no need to drop the price.
Post by: Ceric on March 25, 2007, 04:23:36 AM
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 25, 2007, 04:29:50 PM
Kotaku's latest story mentions that they will indeed be using the redesigned 65nm chips though, and will be able to utilize the IPTV stuff. Maybe this one will run cool enough to keep inside your entertainment center?
Post by: Shift Key on March 25, 2007, 08:01:19 PM
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The bad: Only streams iTunes content--leaving it up to you to get your videos into iTunes; current crop of iTunes movies and TV shows look much worse on a big-screen TV; no HD content on iTunes Store; can't connect to older non-wide-screen TVs; small 40GB hard drive has only 33GB of usable disk space; oversimplified remote can't control other devices; no ability to purchase iTunes Store content directly through Apple TV; no A/V cables included; no Internet radio support.
Heh. They've already opened up AppleTV and the techies are showing off awesome new tricks. New formats (Xvid comes to mind), streaming content from the network, bigger hard drives. Don't worry, they'll get it to a point where people can either follow through step-by-step, or take the items to a friend who has the right tools and do it all the same.
Post by: Ceric on March 26, 2007, 07:25:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift KeyQuote
The bad: Only streams iTunes content--leaving it up to you to get your videos into iTunes; current crop of iTunes movies and TV shows look much worse on a big-screen TV; no HD content on iTunes Store; can't connect to older non-wide-screen TVs; small 40GB hard drive has only 33GB of usable disk space; oversimplified remote can't control other devices; no ability to purchase iTunes Store content directly through Apple TV; no A/V cables included; no Internet radio support.
Heh. They've already opened up AppleTV and the techies are showing off awesome new tricks. New formats (Xvid comes to mind), streaming content from the network, bigger hard drives. Don't worry, they'll get it to a point where people can either follow through step-by-step, or take the items to a friend who has the right tools and do it all the same.
Still wouldn't get one. I hate being jerked around by not even having the most basic of cords, I'm looking at you printer market. Also I don't use iTune out of principle, cost and annoyance they have brought to my life as an admin.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 26, 2007, 07:29:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Personally, I think that if the 360 was rock solid hardware wise from the get go it would have at least 50% more units sold. I probably be one of those people. As of yet I can't spend that sort of money on something with such a bad reliability track record even though it is getting better.
Which would be compensated for by all the repeat business they would lose.
Actually, MS may refurbish most of the busted 360s (which might further explain the terrible reliability problems!!) but seriously, they'd lose at least a few sales due to people not having to buy several.I honestly think MS has bigger problems than the hardware...that's definitely keeping some hardcore gamers on the fence, but there are tens of millions of casual gamers out there who obviously aren't buying 360, and probably don't realize how unreliable it is either. I think the price and the very westernized, violent game lineup are the problem. One 360 owner I know owns only one game - he doesn't like shooters.
Post by: Ceric on March 26, 2007, 08:51:04 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Personally, I think that if the 360 was rock solid hardware wise from the get go it would have at least 50% more units sold. I probably be one of those people. As of yet I can't spend that sort of money on something with such a bad reliability track record even though it is getting better.
Which would be compensated for by all the repeat business they would lose.
I honestly think MS has bigger problems than the hardware...that's definitely keeping some hardcore gamers on the fence, but there are tens of millions of casual gamers out there who obviously aren't buying 360, and probably don't realize how unreliable it is either. I think the price and the very westernized, violent game lineup are the problem. One 360 owner I know owns only one game - he doesn't like shooters.
I agree with that as well. Though the reliability issue was big news even out of the Gaming circles so I wouldn't discount non-gamers not knowing. MS also knows they have that problem. There stuck in the opposite trap then Nintendo. Developers see them as Hardcore and so does everyone else.
I think right now if you had a great E game concept for the 360 MS would probably fund a large portion of your advertising and developement. They need breadth. They know it. Why do you think Viva Pinata was pushed?
More Breadth would be nice but compared to the PS3 right now and especially next 2 months, when they cripple all regions BC's, they look like the land o'plenty of choice.
Post by: Louieturkey on March 26, 2007, 11:26:24 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I think right now if you had a great E game concept for the 360 MS would probably fund a large portion of your advertising and developement. They need breadth. They know it. Why do you think Viva Pinata was pushed?
More Breadth would be nice but compared to the PS3 right now and especially next 2 months, when they cripple all regions BC's, they look like the land o'plenty of choice.
Breadth: 1 : distance from side to side : WIDTH
2 : something of full width
3 a : comprehensive quality : SCOPE <the breadth of his learning> b : liberality of views or taste <breadth of mind>
- breadth·wise /-"wIz/ adverb or adjective
Which of these definitions did you mean by the word "breadth"? I did not understand what you meant. Now, if you had said variety, then I would understand you perfectly.
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2007, 03:58:23 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 27, 2007, 10:52:39 PM
This new version of Xbox 360 is made up of the same inside parts as launch Xbox 360s, meaning it features the same processor, DVD drive, as well as all other internal guts of the original Xbox 360 launched in 2005. "
And for the people with a 360 before the elite came out: "Microsoft announced on Wednesday that it will be shipping a standalone version of the 120GB hard drive, which will retail for $179.99. The standalone HDD comes with software for the drive and a transfer cable, which regular Xbox 360 owners can use to move their current data to the 120GB HDD."
Microsoft is now planning to keep 3 SKUs of the 360 but Microsoft's requirements reflect on the core and pro 360's so no one gets screwed. Also Microsoft is offering accessories in black or white.
source
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2007, 12:51:58 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 28, 2007, 01:30:15 AM
April is going to be a big month! At least for me anyway.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 28, 2007, 02:37:44 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 28, 2007, 04:04:41 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Wow, North America and Canada? That's really impressive. Do you think they'll release it in the U.S., too?
Lol too funny.
There are spyshots of the new Elite here but I can't get the page to load correctly. Maybe someone else will have better luck.
Edit: I left the page up for a few minutes and it worked itself out.
Edit2: IGN also has a picture up. In the article MS takes a couple shots at the PS3 of course, saying how the Elite now has better features than the PS3 and is still cheaper.
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2007, 04:12:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
Well Microsoft finally announced the elite 360, 479.99 and you get: "the controller and Xbox Live headset included in the package are black as well. The Elite SKU will be priced at $479.99, come with a 120GB HDD, an HDMI port and will be available on in North America and Canada on Sunday, April 29, 2007.
This new version of Xbox 360 is made up of the same inside parts as launch Xbox 360s, meaning it features the same processor, DVD drive, as well as all other internal guts of the original Xbox 360 launched in 2005. "
And for the people with a 360 before the elite came out: "Microsoft announced on Wednesday that it will be shipping a standalone version of the 120GB hard drive, which will retail for $179.99. The standalone HDD comes with software for the drive and a transfer cable, which regular Xbox 360 owners can use to move their current data to the 120GB HDD."
Microsoft is now planning to keep 3 SKUs of the 360 but Microsoft's requirements reflect on the core and pro 360's so no one gets screwed. Also Microsoft is offering accessories in black or white.
Also McAfee advices against the site that was linked above.
source
No sale. Doesn't even have wireless. I care not for this and will be waiting the revision.
Post by: Ages on March 28, 2007, 04:27:37 AM
Post by: darknight06 on March 28, 2007, 04:31:23 AM
X-Box 360 Home Premium.
X-Box 360 Ultimate (even comes in black).
I'm gonna assume X-Box 360 Professional would be the devkits now.
Can't say you don't have choices now, but $179 for a HD? Damn, I've seen 200GB+ for a PC go far cheaper than that.
Post by: Ghisy on March 28, 2007, 04:35:04 AM
Post by: Ghisy on March 28, 2007, 04:35:33 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2007, 04:54:14 AM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
X-Box 360 Home Basic.
X-Box 360 Home Premium.
X-Box 360 Ultimate (even comes in black).
I'm gonna assume X-Box 360 Professional would be the devkits now.
Can't say you don't have choices now, but $179 for a HD? Damn, I've seen 200GB+ for a PC go far cheaper than that.
Yep. The other day I was looking for about an 80 gig drive to replace a broken one at work added up having to get a 320 gig drive because it was the cheapest they had. ($79.99)
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2007, 05:20:23 AM
Also this fails for not including any space trading sim.
Post by: BigJim on March 28, 2007, 05:34:46 AM
They seem to be more interested in making money than sticking it to Sony. Wonder if that means they think PS3 is not as much off a threat.
Post by: Uglydot on March 28, 2007, 05:45:21 AM
Post by: darknight06 on March 28, 2007, 06:49:45 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2007, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2007, 07:57:59 AM
SUPPLY. OF POWER.
POWER SUPPLY.
How dare they hide the glorious truth. IT'S THE BIGGEST FEATURE OF THE DAMN PACKAGE.
Post by: Artimus on March 28, 2007, 08:32:32 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on March 28, 2007, 10:37:43 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 28, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
I am disappointed in the lack of WiFi though. That really would have sealed the deal, now I'm kind of like, I'm still going to buy it, but I'm going to be let down a little.
Soon 1 Tetrabyte HDD's will become cheap enough to be mainstream. Alienware is already using them in their desktops and their standalone sales are slowly starting to pick up. We're also going to be seeing QuadCore Processors, and PPU's (Physics Processor Unit) also become mainstream. Off topic, but whatever.
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2007, 12:32:06 PM
While we are off topic. Samsung announced today that it will start to sell a really fast 64 gig SSD(Flash Hard drive) hopefully starting Q2 of this year.
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2007, 05:14:10 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 23, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
