Post by: WindyMan on March 12, 2007, 01:14:05 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on March 12, 2007, 01:32:41 PM
On the other note, I don't think he really gets the different perceptions amongst gamers in regards to graphics, or at least not completely. I can see from this interview and his speech that he's starting to figure out why Wind Waker got less reception than Ocarina of Time, but he didn't realize it initially.
I suppose the real deal is that the media, for the most part, have made their judgments based on playing the game, along with all the people who played Wind Waker, and most of them have liked it. The rest of the people basically refuse to play it because of how it looks. If they were to give it a try, they'd probably like it, especially if they liked other Zelda games. Or at least that's how it seems to me, and how people treat Wario Ware until I basically force them to try it.
Post by: Djunknown on March 12, 2007, 02:27:48 PM
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. It's always necessary for us to balance giving players incentive to collect these items, but also giving them the choice to take the item.
I dunno, in TP, by the time you got all the bugs and all the Poes, you don't need really their rewards.. More specifically the Poes.
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Because Fado is always on the ranch, he doesn't want to reveal too much about his private life.
Downloadable content Idea: The secret Fado level! What would you put in it?
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Moving forward, there will be many other multiplayer games.
Can we safely assume that the next console iteration of Zelda will have a multiplayer portion of some kind? This could start another forum war...
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 12, 2007, 02:38:58 PM
There will be another Four Swords Adventures game, which is desperately needed!
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2007, 05:21:48 AM
Regarding the difficulty being in the sidequests I don't necessarily have a problem with that but I think that has to be approached more like Majora's Mask. MM relies a lot on sidequests but there's a logical reward for doing that. I don't really have much desire to do the extra stuff in Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. Hell I've left WW sidequests unfinished for years now. In Majora's Mask I didn't even attempt to beat the game until I had all the masks. To me that was a requirement. In Twilight Princess there's no desire to have all the poes before I beat the game. I might as well beat the game and then later wrap up loose ends like collecting poes.
As usual I don't like the emphasis on eliminating buttons. That seems like pushing idealogy instead of doing what is best for the game. It seems too much like Nintendo is focused so much on removing buttons that they're not stopping and thinking "does it make sense to do this?" or "is this the best solution for the game we're making?"
The only way to get non-gamers to like Zelda will be to change it in such a way that Zelda fans no longer like it. The mainstream doesn't like stuff that requires effort and when something requires no effort to enjoy it's a waste of time for people who actually care.
Multiplayer doesn't bother me because Four Swords was great. Unlike Metroid there isn't a large portion of gamers that don't like Zelda asking for a major alteration to the gameplay specifically to fill a genre gap Nintendo, for some reason, isn't filling with something else. Multiplayer Zelda still plays like Zelda. It isn't like they're turning Zelda into a platformer to appeal to the "WHAT NO JUMP BUTTON?" crowd.
Though if they go all Phantasy Star on us where a single player series becomes multiplayer focused then the sh!t's going to hit the fan.
Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2007, 06:06:56 AM
Dear Aonuma, stop making Zelda games and start making games YOU want. You were onto something with Majora's Mask and your darker atmospheres... explore that, trust your heart, develop your instincts, and you won't become a Miyamoto-replacement, but stand tall as an Eiji Aonuma.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
P.S. Is Aonuma really the correct spelling? ARGH!
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
I find Twilight Princess to be a far better game than Ocarina of Time (and obviously Majora's Mask)! I totally went there!
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2007, 07:09:26 AM
Didn't you say the same thing about Wind Waker?
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 08:05:43 AM
(Yes, it's better than OoT and MM, too, but TP is better than WW in terms of gameplay... )
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:27:50 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on March 13, 2007, 09:40:07 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:46:58 AM
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It does sound like TP's development was a pretty rough ride. I think it's odd that the Wii remote was seen as the missing ingredient the game needed to be special, and yet the Wii controls were, at best, uninspired.
But vastly more intuitive when it came to aiming. Even the "waggle" provides a better sense of excitement for me when I was a chopping a boss up!
Post by: TrueNerd on March 13, 2007, 10:03:33 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2007, 10:07:30 AM
I think it's more likely Nintendo is making sure to push the Wii controls as the missing ingredient. Either that or they just honestly think that the Wii controls somehow makes the game so much more special when really the pros and cons of the game are entirely unrelated to it.
But if shoehorning in remote controls makes Nintendo think they're making a better Zelda and inspires them in some way then that's overall a good thing. At the very least they'll have a better attitude when designing the game.
Controls don't make a game special, it's the gameplay that does. Controls can contribute to the gameplay but they alone will not make a game special. At it's core Twilight Princess follows the same template as the other 3D Zeldas. The very fact that there is a Gamecube version and it has been as well received critically as the Wii version proves that. The game works well with both control schemes.
I personally trust Aonuma with the Zelda franchise. I think so far under his reign Zelda has been fine. I am concerned about Phantom Hourglass but I think the touch controls would be there regardless of who made it because Nintendo wants to prove the touchscreen concept, even though I think by now it's likely there is no concept to prove. If there was they would have pulled it off already and there never be any forced touchscreen usage. The Nintendo higher-ups want touch controlled Zelda so if it sucks I wouldn't blame Aonuma. Though if it turns out great I would praise him for it.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 13, 2007, 10:16:38 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 13, 2007, 10:24:32 AM
Aonuma said it was the bow that the Wii remote seemed to fit so well, and I can see that easily. They had to put in "waggle" sword swinging to accommodate the real benefit of using the remote.
Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2007, 06:31:50 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bloodworth on March 13, 2007, 07:32:33 PM
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TP's Wii controls were half-assed. .... Because time was short, and they just mapped waggle to B. In my opinion, if they weren't gonna do it right, they shouldn't have bothered. I think it would have been more productive to finish the 'Cube version, then focus on doing it right for the next game.
He said that before E3 they had more realistic sword control, but it didn't feel as good as they thought because most people aren't thinking about what direction they're swinging the remote. So it has nothing to do with them not having time. They simply did what they felt worked best for the game. You can disagree with that choice, but don't make out like they just went with the first thing that came to mind when they tested at least three completely different control systems.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 14, 2007, 05:17:19 PM
Post by: MegaByte on March 14, 2007, 06:03:48 PM
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They need to make an ENTIRE game based just around strafing around while aiming the bow in third person mode.
Yoshi's Safari 2?
