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Title: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2007, 02:58:06 PM
For the heck of it I thought I would share what my mentor within Microsoft shared with me regarding GDC when I asked why even MS didn't reveal much. He basically told me that GDC is for the developers, it is a place to talk with various people, share ideas, and hopefully get connected with publishers (or in Microsofts case, looking for developers for good ideas). GDC is not considered by Microsoft to be an important public event but more for the insiders of the gaming world, mainly developers to share their experiences and possibly show off a few newer builds of their games. He also stated that the important shows are ones like E3 or GC, which are focused toward the consumer through various forms of media.

So for those that thought that Sony destroyed NIntendo, it will most likely not matter because GDC is quite minor. In fact you could probably argue Sony should have kept their new information to themselves and released it in a more consumer focused event like E3 (even with its reduction in size, it still is a big media area). Really I think GDC is harder to judge than what was unveiled, instead the "winner" would have taken full benefit it when it came to negotiating and learning about people in the development community, along with new ideas, not what neat feature that Sony/MS/Nintendo can release.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 03:19:46 PM
I keep forgetting you have ties with the enemy...

But yeah, I don't think it matters much in the grand scheme of things. I still want Sony to gain some ground back to compete with MS.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2007, 03:45:59 PM
I can be a mentor too
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: vudu on March 12, 2007, 06:06:49 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
GDC is not considered by Microsoft to be an important public event but more for the insiders of the gaming world, mainly developers to share their experiences and possibly show off a few newer builds of their games. He also stated that the important shows are ones like E3 or GC, which are focused toward the consumer through various forms of media.
Are you sure it's not because they had nothing new worth mentioning?  
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Bloodworth on March 12, 2007, 07:11:44 AM
Most of the press outlets are there, so whatever they announce is going to get covered.  I think it's simply a missed opportunity for Microsoft.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 07:15:10 AM
MS is in a good position anyways with developers, especially with XNA and XBLA. I don't think this is too damaging either way.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 09:10:39 AM
Actually if I recall in the past GDC has never been anything big, it is actually quite minor compared to things like E3, GC, or TGS.  
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: segagamer12 on March 12, 2007, 09:59:12 AM
nothing big!? Halo 3 BETA is supposed to launch THIS SPRING, giving us an exact date would be HUGE. not just for them but for Sony and Nintendo also. So I can see why thier keeping it secret in a way. Not a huge Halo fan but that's all I hear about day in and day out around here.  I don't care for MS that much either but they do have enough games (finally) that aren't PC games also that I am starting to consider getting one. Plus Ill play Halo online with my friends cuz at least its fun then.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 10:30:52 AM
I agree with Bloodworth: it was a missed opportunity.

People like to say the GDC is just for developers to shoot the sh*t with each other, but that is only true in theory. The reality is if it was purely a conference for developers, the media wouldn't have been nearly as present as they were, or present at all; Chris Hecker would have been able to say whatever he wanted about the Wii without having to be forced to apologize to an angry public; Sony's announcements wouldn't have done a thing to repair their public image with the PS3.

The GDC might not be the grand event that the E3 of yore was (R.I.P.), but with media there and actively reporting its still very much a public affair. In fact, when you look at it, the GDC and E3 are pretty much the same except E3 focused more on the "Expo" while GDC focused more on the "Conference". But they're both composed of the same parts, especially now that E3's been downsized.

Microsoft can say that showing new products wasn't the point of GDC, and to a certain degree that's a valid excuse. But they can't dismiss the idea that if they had presented more of a showing it would have been just as received, publicly, as anything they'd shown at E3. Sony knew that, and capitalized on it.

(in fact, now that I think about it, when the gaming community first found out that E3 would be downsized, wasn't the one consistent argument used to rationalize it the idea that developers would now be forced/encouraged to release big news at smaller events more frequently throughout the year, instead of saving it all for E3? What happened to that idea?)    
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 10:34:43 AM
Of course Pittbboi and Bloodworth would know more about the focus of an event than the companies involved. I'm sorry but Sony's image is still tainted in the overall public eye, what was revealed at GDC is not going to impact the public at large, just people who followed an event that was never about big announcements.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: IceCold on March 12, 2007, 10:36:17 AM
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(in fact, now that I think about it, when the gaming community first found out that E3 would be downsized, wasn't the one consistent argument used to rationalize it the idea that developers would now be forced/encouraged to release big news at smaller events more frequently throughout the year instead of saving it all for E3? What happened to that idea?)
I think the game announcements and big news will still be there at the new E3 - the conferences will still probably be the same. The only difference is that it won't be open to as many people..
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 10:41:16 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
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(in fact, now that I think about it, when the gaming community first found out that E3 would be downsized, wasn't the one consistent argument used to rationalize it the idea that developers would now be forced/encouraged to release big news at smaller events more frequently throughout the year instead of saving it all for E3? What happened to that idea?)
I think the game announcements and big news will still be there at the new E3 - the conferences will still probably be the same. The only difference is that it won't be open to as many people..


I think you are right, Microsoft considers E3 to still be the even to release big news because it is more of a consumer event, than the DEVELOPERS conference. GDC will be forgotten to anyone outside of developers like it is every year, regardless of what some people want to think.  
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 10:49:58 AM
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Of course Pittbboi and Bloodworth would know more about the focus of an event than the companies involved. I'm sorry but Sony's image is still tainted in the overall public eye, what was revealed at GDC is not going to impact the public at large, just people who followed an event that was never about big announcements.


Of course Sony's image is still tainted, no one event is going to change that. But one thing Sony was smart about--ugh, I'm not used to saying much good about Sony--was using the GDC to hit the brakes on PS3's downhill plummet. Now people will actually care about what they could possibly show at E3.

And while the GDC doesn't impact the public at large, neither did the old E3. Even at it's height of popularity, E3 was still an event that was followed mainly by gaming media. Heck, I'm from LA, and the only non-gaming media attention I can recall E3 getting was a little 10 o'clock news blurb explaining why the dorks were out in full force in the Downtown area. The GDC didn't get as much coverage because it was a smaller event, but it still got the same kind of coverage. Especially now with the downsized E3. I mean, how many websites, this year, were reporting the GDC in real time? That's treatment usually reserved for E3.

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The GDC this year won't be remembered in MS and Nintendo's camp because they didn't reveal much. But that was their choice (Well, I'll give it to Nintendo that it wasn't so much their choice), and disinterest will be the result. But for Sony, especially due to LittleBigPlanet, people will remember this GDC. I wouldn't be surprised if next year's GDC was a bigger affair.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Jin-X on March 12, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
Its not that you're not allowed to say anything nice about Sony, its that you WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY blew out of proportion what Sony did when you said stuff like "they came out with their pimp hand strong" and "were showing up Nintendo".

I thought Sony had dropped some Megaton or something when I read that. The biggest thing Sony could do is a big price drop since that is by far the thing that killed them before the thing ever came out. They didn't throw money hats at Konami to ensure MGS 4 or FF13 or RE5 exclusivity. Hell a playable demo of MGS 4 would have been a bigger deal than what they did, it could re-energize the "wait till X game comes out crowd" (not that it matters at that price).

But all they did was not act retarded and announce a couple of nice things, for some people to react this way to these announcements shows how much they have fallen. Imagine if after the infamous E3 where the GC needed something to save it and they came out with the Pac-Man + GBA connection thing, people would have been saying "Nintendo layed the smack down on MS and Sony".
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 03:39:47 PM
I actually thought Nintendo had the most fascinating show with all the speakers they had and what was talked about. You learned alot about how to approach game design, in addition to some of the hurdles along with ways to get around them. It seems to me that many developers, most likely the smaller ones, gained some useful information when it comes to their projects.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 04:12:31 PM
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Its not that you're not allowed to say anything nice about Sony, its that you WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY blew out of proportion what Sony did when you said stuff like "they came out with their pimp hand strong" and "were showing up Nintendo".

What does this have to do with anything? And I didn't say Sony was showing up Nintendo, for the last time. I stand by what I said: in my opinion Sony had the most interesting program at the GDC.

And I would say, and so would many others, that Sony did a little more than just "not screw up". Heck, LittleBigPlanet is being hailed by a few people as one of the most innovative new titles to be announced this year.

But why are we talking about this? This topic is about Microsoft's poor showing.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 04:18:12 PM
No they didn't. The FIGHTING OTHER PEOPLE WITH YOUR MIND game on the show floor was the most interesting program at GDC. Seriously... you like... concentrated... and the stuff would MOVE IN THE GAME!!!! ZOMG!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 04:21:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
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Its not that you're not allowed to say anything nice about Sony, its that you WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY blew out of proportion what Sony did when you said stuff like "they came out with their pimp hand strong" and "were showing up Nintendo".

What does this have to do with anything? And I didn't say Sony was showing up Nintendo, for the last time. I stand by what I said: in my opinion Sony had the most interesting program at the GDC.

And I would say, and so would many others, that Sony did a little more than just "not screw up". Heck, LittleBigPlanet is being hailed by a few people as one of the most innovative new titles to be announced this year.

But why are we talking about this? This topic is about Microsoft's poor showing.


Microsoft made alot of connections through the show, that is a GOOD showing for the GDC. Heaven forbid companies like Nintendo and MIcrosoft actually utilize the developers conference to make connections with developers and share game design experiences instead of trying to "steal" a non-commercial focused show with a poor man's second life and some game that could turn out to be garbage in the end, with only a quick demo to show off the pretty lights.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 04:27:01 PM
GoldenPhoenix, don't start bad-mouthing Little Big Planet before we have more information about it, especially if you're gonna do it just to make Sony look bad and MS or Nintendo better. We can be a little more ... nice... about this can't we? This stuff suits GameFaqs flame wars but not NWR and us, I'd like to think.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 06:19:40 PM
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"steal" a non-commercial focused show with a poor man's second life and some game that could turn out to be garbage in the end, with only a quick demo to show off the pretty lights.

Oh come on, this just smacks of dissing games purely because they're not appearing on your favorite console. LittleBigPlanet has swayed even the most hardcore MS and Nintendo fans, the trailer and info released on the title looks that darn good.  Of course there's a chance LittleBigPlanet could suck, but on that same token there's a chance Mario Galaxy could suck. Give credit where it's due, from just about everything I read from people who were there, LittleBigPlanet stole the show...as far as game announcements go, anyway. Whether or not it's SOOO good that it warrants purchasing a PS3 remains to be seen. But I already know people who are prepared to, and that says something.

And I'm sure Sony made use of the conference just like everyone else did. They just went an extra step and made use of their keynote, too.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Mario on March 12, 2007, 06:24:47 PM
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Whether or not it's SOOO good that it warrants purchasing a PS3 remains to be seen. But I already know people who are prepared to, and that says something.

It says you are a liar.
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Of course there's a chance LittleBigPlanet could suck, but on that same token there's a chance Mario Galaxy could suck.

No

This thread is funny, I hope someone bumps it in a few months. Actually, I doubt anyone will remember, that's how insignificant GDC "announcements" are.  
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:30:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
GoldenPhoenix, don't start bad-mouthing Little Big Planet before we have more information about it, especially if you're gonna do it just to make Sony look bad and MS or Nintendo better. We can be a little more ... nice... about this can't we? This stuff suits GameFaqs flame wars but not NWR and us, I'd like to think.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


I'm sorry but I have no faith in Sony to develop games, and I fail to see how people can get pumped for a Sony game, especially by an independent developer (or maybe not so anymore) with no proven track record. It is also ridiculous to compare LBP with Mario Galaxy in potential quality, one is made by a company with a hit and miss track record, while another is being handled by one of the most talented and proven designers around, Miyamoto. Personally I think more people are impressed by LBP by its visuals more than anything, and I admit I was too, but then was thinking "OK so it has nice physics and grahics, what is there?". We know it will have a customizable world that you can share, that is great, but um how deep is it? Wait, we don't know that, so I fail to see how you can get excited about it. At least with games like Mario Galaxy you know how the gameplay will function instead of a trailer that may or may not be mocked up.

What I find especially odd is Pittbboi is so enamored with the Sony yet isn't considering getting one. Actually believe it or not in a year I'll probably get a PS3, as I've gotten every single console in ever generation since the SNES days. I'm a gamer and I enjoy games for all systems, and I'm saying color me unimpressed with LBP until I know more about it than a snazzy trailer that didn't tell us much.


Kairon: I thought this was a flame zone? Heck Pro flamed me in the No More Heroes thread and no one defended me. But don't you DARE question the quality of a Sony game or the significance of Sony's showing, because that is flaming.  Or better yet don't question the quality of games that have a cult following, because you will get insulted for not "understanding" them.  
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Mario on March 12, 2007, 06:34:16 PM
The same thing happened with Formula One PS3, Sony have made about a million incredibly crappy F1 games in the past, yet people somehow still expected the PS3 one to be good because it had individual rain particles.

I'm still laughing at the suggestion any person would pay $600 for Little Big Planet. It looks great, and it also looks like I can get enough enjoyment out of it by just watching the trailer.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 06:51:28 PM
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It says you are a liar.


Oh yeah, of COURSE I'm lying. I can't POSSIBLY know a person interested in purchasing a PS3 for the possibility of LittleBigPlanet. I also couldn't have POSSIBLY read a Penny-Arcade comic illustrating that exact idea. No, I'm making all of this up--you caught me!

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What I find especially odd is Pittbboi is so enamored with the Sony yet isn't considering getting one.

Who says I'm not considering getting one? As a matter of fact, I've said several times that I'm eventually going to have to buy a PS3 if Squeenix doesn't get a clue and port FFXIII to the 360. Personally, I think LBP looked stunning, and from the looks of it has more of a chance of being a great game than being a bad one--which is the conclusion you seem to have jumped on. Whether or not it's a system seller remains to be seen--but there are quite a few people in the industry who seem to think it will be. But I agree it's too early to tell, I'm just not going to go as far as you and claim that the game has more of a chance of sucking.  
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
I'm just going by Sony's trackrecord and it being developed by an independent company. I've seen far too many games that looked unique from trailers then turned out to be nothing more than a technical demo (usually visual above everything else).
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on March 12, 2007, 07:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Whether or not it's a system seller remains to be seen--but there are quite a few people in the industry who seem to think it will be.

I don't think Kutaragi and Phil Harrison count.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: 18 Days on March 12, 2007, 07:37:29 PM
No one cares about 2D platformers anymore.
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: IceCold on March 12, 2007, 07:40:39 PM
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Whether or not it's a system seller remains to be seen--but there are quite a few people in the industry who seem to think it will be.
It will only be available to download, right? How can it possibly be a system seller if the average customer can't see a physical copy in stores?
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 07:52:56 PM
The same way the virtual console and XBLA are, I'd imagine.

And, from what I know (though I could be wrong), it's the demo version of the game that will be available for download only. The full version coming later will be on blu-ray.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

Kairon: I thought this was a flame zone? Heck Pro flamed me in the No More Heroes thread and no one defended me. But don't you DARE question the quality of a Sony game or the significance of Sony's showing, because that is flaming.  Or better yet don't question the quality of games that have a cult following, because you will get insulted for not "understanding" them.


Sorry. I just thought you were flaming Sony because you said exactly what I would've said if I had been flaming them. I guess I've just got an oversensitive flame detector from my days in the thick of the fanboi wars.

... But c'mon. You've gotta admit that you're being QUITE harsh on these poor indie devs. I mean, it's a multiplayer platformer where users can make their own physics-based stages!!! WHAT'S NOT TO LUUUURRRVVEEE?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

*cough* ...anyways...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 09:08:20 PM
Does it strike anyone else as ironic that Sony is pushing a 2D game as their flagship title?
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 09:18:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Does it strike anyone else as ironic that Sony is pushing a 2D game as their flagship title?


What I find even more funny is that it has a cutesy design, when Sony was always using their "mature" games to hit Nintendo over the head now. Except they now seem to be adopting a similar to title what they always attacked Nintendo for!
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Shift Key on March 12, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
nothing big!? Halo 3 BETA is supposed to launch THIS SPRING, giving us an exact date would be HUGE.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Seriously, the beta's gonna tide over the hardcore fans in the short term. Like a shiny thing, they'll be distracted for enough time for them to actually test the product. So don't hold you're breath. Once the beta starts, they'll get an idea of how many bugs are in the product.

(and if they're actually serious about cleaning out the majority of bugs, it won't be out this year)
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: oohhboy on March 12, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
Woah there tex. watch the thread breaking there.

I have no problem with open source projects using me to test out thier products and reports bugs etc, but I hate it when companies push something out on to the public that is not ready simply because they are too cheap to do bug testing.

I do not ever want to ever see the release now patch later mentailty to the the status quo on consoles.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Jin-X on March 13, 2007, 07:01:00 AM
When your console costs $600, there are no system sellers.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Bloodworth on March 13, 2007, 07:47:13 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Of course Pittbboi and Bloodworth would know more about the focus of an event than the companies involved. I'm sorry but Sony's image is still tainted in the overall public eye, what was revealed at GDC is not going to impact the public at large, just people who followed an event that was never about big announcements.


The focus of the event doesn't make a difference.  E3 draws in a lot more readers, but if the press is there, your announcement is going to be reported and people are going to talk about it.  It's best to show things that are relevant to developers, but after the conference what are people talking about?  They're talking about Home, LittleBigPlanet, Fable 2, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, and the various developer sessions, which are heavily weighted in Nintendo's favor this year.  The general impression is that Microsoft didn't show up to the party.

Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 08:15:01 AM
Well, to be fair, Fable 2 is a Microsoft-published game...
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: segagamer12 on March 13, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
Laugh all you want but your a fool, no a BRAINLESS MORON if you think Halo 3 isnt going to be HUGE. The Beta sure as hell is a big deal, its WHAT IS SELLING CRACKDOWN. Halo is big enough to get this kind of attention and peopel are getting pumped up for it, maybe not in japanr or Australia, but around here, its a BIG DEAL. SOrry if I sounded like Iw as defending MS, I HATE MS with a passion, but I am smart enough to see the imnpact this stupid beta is having on the peopel around here. I see the damnc omerciasl all over the TV "Crackodwn comes with  Halo 3 Beta key" all the damn time. I was there the day crackdown came out with all my friends who bought it JUST FOR the Halo 3 beta key. Maybe its not a game for everyone, Its certainly not on my top 20 list, but there is no denying the impact this game has. I laugh at anyone who thinks it wont be huge.


I know it's stupid to get worked up over a beta, but its going to be online and its going to hold people over till the real game comes oput, and one thing it *WILL DO* is create more hype for the game. MS could have hyped that a little bit and Sony would have been forgotten ten seconds latter.

As fro PS3, no ONE GAME is EVER going to be worht the entry price, but to be honest NO ONE GAME is ever good enough to purchase ANY system, with FF7 being the *only* exception in my lifetime. The ps3 will never have that one game to make it worht it, the opnly chance it has is to get as many good to steller games as it can get.  Evcen the Wii only has 1 game so far so good thatit justifies the purhcase and that game is available on another system.






Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 10:35:29 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Laugh all you want but your a fool, no a BRAINLESS MORON if you think Halo 3 isnt going to be HUGE. The Beta sure as hell is a big deal, its WHAT IS SELLING CRACKDOWN. Halo is big enough to get this kind of attention and peopel are getting pumped up for it, maybe not in japanr or Australia, but around here, its a BIG DEAL. SOrry if I sounded like Iw as defending MS, I HATE MS with a passion, but I am smart enough to see the imnpact this stupid beta is having on the peopel around here. I see the damnc omerciasl all over the TV "Crackodwn comes with  Halo 3 Beta key" all the damn time. I was there the day crackdown came out with all my friends who bought it JUST FOR the Halo 3 beta key. Maybe its not a game for everyone, Its certainly not on my top 20 list, but there is no denying the impact this game has. I laugh at anyone who thinks it wont be huge.


I know it's stupid to get worked up over a beta, but its going to be online and its going to hold people over till the real game comes oput, and one thing it *WILL DO* is create more hype for the game. MS could have hyped that a little bit and Sony would have been forgotten ten seconds latter.

As fro PS3, no ONE GAME is EVER going to be worht the entry price, but to be honest NO ONE GAME is ever good enough to purchase ANY system, with FF7 being the *only* exception in my lifetime. The ps3 will never have that one game to make it worht it, the opnly chance it has is to get as many good to steller games as it can get.  Evcen the Wii only has 1 game so far so good thatit justifies the purhcase and that game is available on another system.


What one game would that be on Wii, TP? The Wii also has Wii sports, Excite Truck and WarioWare, which are probably the main system sellers so far, especially in regards to casual or non-gamers. BTW I sadly bought Crackdown for the GAME, and it turned out to be generic crap and I'm going to sell it, don't care for the Halo beta.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: segagamer12 on March 13, 2007, 11:56:31 AM
I was meaning it was the only one that is *THAT* good to get the systenm for, some of those are good but not good enough to runout and buy a wii. Well Wii Sports but it comes with the system.


Um but I LIKED Crackdown its the most fun game I have played on 360 in a while. But that could be cuz Ivebeen dreprived since all my friend buys is sports games and crackdown is his first real game for 360. But I still liked it.


I dont meant o say Wii isnt worth buying or doesnt have good games, just not any one game thats so good you cant live with out it.


And ugh to Wario ware, but um dont flame me for saying that...
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 12:36:24 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
I was meaning it was the only one that is *THAT* good to get the systenm for, some of those are good but not good enough to runout and buy a wii. Well Wii Sports but it comes with the system.


Um but I LIKED Crackdown its the most fun game I have played on 360 in a while. But that could be cuz Ivebeen dreprived since all my friend buys is sports games and crackdown is his first real game for 360. But I still liked it.


I dont meant o say Wii isnt worth buying or doesnt have good games, just not any one game thats so good you cant live with out it.


And ugh to Wario ware, but um dont flame me for saying that...


::Throws a flame at you:: Not to derail this topic like I do every other thread, but the reason why I didn't like Crackdown is that it was quite basic and got quite repetitive, it was basically "Go hunt down the bad guy, shoot lots of bad guys, level up, repeat".
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: segagamer12 on March 13, 2007, 01:09:27 PM
What I liked was all the running and jumping. ANd collecting green things. I didnt pay attention to the voice All I kept hearing was "AGENT SENSELESS KILLING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED" and crap like that. I made the police my enemy it was fun. Dont how I ended up liking it when I hate GTA. oh well.  
Title: RE: Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Mario on March 13, 2007, 02:09:25 PM
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And ugh to Wario ware, but um dont flame me for saying that...
BURN HIM!!!
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 02:27:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
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And ugh to Wario ware, but um dont flame me for saying that...
BURN HIM!!!

Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: Shift Key on March 13, 2007, 02:40:38 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Laugh all you want but your a fool, no a BRAINLESS MORON if you think Halo 3 isnt going to be HUGE.


Did I ever say or think this? Its the title that every 360 owner that still regularly plays Halo 2 is hanging out for. Of course its going to sell well.

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As fro PS3, no ONE GAME is EVER going to be worht the entry price, but to be honest NO ONE GAME is ever good enough to purchase ANY system, with FF7 being the *only* exception in my lifetime.


Mario 64. Try and deny that with a straight face.

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Evcen the Wii only has 1 game so far so good thatit justifies the purhcase and that game is available on another system.


Wii Sports? Just because its a pack-in doesn't mean its value is lessened. Because that's the game that people want to play. Its just conveniently included.

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Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Mario 64, Ill give you that I dont mention it cuz its given, it was a good game.

Wii sports DOESNT count in what I *was* saying cuz it COMES with the system, there are lots of reaons to buy the system and Wii sports in one of them, but its nto good enough, IMO, to run out and buy if it was sold seperatley. Maybe to toerhs it is so i wont say its bad cuz its nto its a great game.




But you did make it sound like Halo 3 beta wont be a big deal when  in fact it already is. Bt whatever thats all besides the point, which you seamed to miss again.


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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2007, 10:05:41 AM
People in Japan are getting Wii's just for Wii Sports and Wii Play, both sold separately.

Amerikins are slooo so they're harder to convince and need freebies to show them the way.
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Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 11:11:39 AM
yeah but Japansese people are compulsive so...  
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Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2007, 11:35:06 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
yeah but Japansese people are compulsive so...


Well hello stereotyping.
Title: RE:Microsoft and GDC
Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 12:32:01 PM
forget it.
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Post by: Shift Key on March 15, 2007, 06:55:42 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
But you did make it sound like Halo 3 beta wont be a big deal when  in fact it already is. Bt whatever thats all besides the point, which you seamed to miss again.


I missed none of your points. I just laugh at Halo fanboys.
You've misunderstood my laughter for laughter at Halo 3, which will be "Bigger than Jesus" according to Jesus himself. I hear he's running around with the gamertag "CampingSonOfAlmighty" these days. But you won't find him, because he's that good!

Summary: I don't care. I've played online games from various genres, and I'd take playing with friends over internet games any day.

Look at this month's news that Crackdown was the number 1 selling game.Sorry, my facts are wrong. The correct title for the game is here    
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Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 07:10:28 PM
Ok well it seamed to me you were scoffing at Halo, so I misunderstood you.  
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Post by: Ceric on March 16, 2007, 04:32:58 AM
For the love of MIke.  I don't want GDC to become a press event.  I'm sorry I'm all for developers conferences being for developers.  If next year they want to bar the press from most of it I may be disappointed by the lack of news but I think it wouldn't hurt GDC.
Personally I believe that if I was a company and I had a choice to:

A) Have a major press event be my focus and talk with/try to bring over developers much less.
or
B) Get in their and really do some developer recruitment and helping.  What the press gets the press gets.

I probably choose B because I can always hold my own Press, people whose job is to find news, event but its much harder for me to gather such a large diverse collection of developers, people whose job and schedule is dictated by game developement.

Especially since E3 will be a more focused humongous press event.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 05:23:14 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
yeah but Japansese people are compulsive so...


Well hello stereotyping.


That's not fair: the Japanese are a wonderfully compulsive people. They know what they want and they go for it.

There's a lot of fruitiness in their culture which makes it hard to swallow for some, but I personally think it's Japan's compulsory nature which makes the Japanese such incredible storytellers and designers.

Seize life by the balls. That's the Japanese way.

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Originally posted by: Professional 666 Amerikins are slooo so they're harder to convince and need freebies to show them the way.


It's not that Amerikajins are slow, it's the dichotomy between personal entertainment electronics and their target markets which make such a difference between US and Japanese adoption rates.

In Japan, buying Nintendo products equates patriotism. In the US, games are viewed as being for a very specific audience, and the media paints that picture accordingly.

The reason why the Wii took off so well in the US is because Nintendo knew that Wii Sports was the Trojan horse in their plans. Wii Sports gets into a household via means of a hardcore gamer buying the Wii, other people see it being played and say "I could do that!", they tell their friends, and the viral chain takes hold.

It was a brilliant move for Nintendo to have it as a pack-in, not because people wouldn't buy it on their own but because they knew they had to have Wii Sports running on every Wii in the US because the US market views games differently than Japan does.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 06:31:11 AM
STOP THINKING
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 06:40:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
STOP THINKING


Would if I could but I can't so I won't.