Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: SixthAngel on March 01, 2007, 09:38:21 PM
Title: More co-op!
Post by: SixthAngel on March 01, 2007, 09:38:21 PM
Recently I have seen a lot of people bring up old co-op games as some of their favorites that they want on the vc and I realized that they don't make nearly enough of these types of games.
In the past 2d systems it seems like co-op was the main form of multiplayer in games. Whenever I played games with a friend rarely would we play a competitive multiplayer game. In the switch to 3d and especially the growing popularity of fps the multiplayer focus switched a lot to competitive games. At first I think power was a big problem when the system dealt with two 3d main characters but now it seems to be gone.
Recently co-op seems to be on the rise with the popularity of Halo and the more recent xbox games that support it. My problem with this is that while I really enjoyed co-op Halo they seem to stuck in the same fps genre. What happened to good old two people on one screen? I don't want to be forced to split up the already small screen or be forced to only play it online. This is probably the reason why I loved the games Cannon Spike and Hunter the Reckoning. Hunter, especially, was nothing fantastic but when its the only game on the block I'll take it.
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Post by: Koekoenutt on March 01, 2007, 09:46:09 PM
I think we started to see a huge decline in co-op when games like Quake 3 and Counter-Strike came out, and did really well. Sadly, there has been a lack of co-op in many games, and I really do sit there and ask myself why they don't put this option for multiplayer more often. I do, however, notice a huge incline in upcoming games that are noted to have this option. I think we are going to start noticing a lot more games in the near future that deal more on this aspect, than some sort of deathmatch. A lot of companies wanted to go with having a "team against team" type of multiplayer in the past few years, and have been to worried about making it new and fresh.. Like making new styles, examples like Capture the Flag and King of the Hill. It's always nice to see they add on and create new styles, but I think it has been a shame they left the 2-4 player co-op out lately.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 02, 2007, 12:34:19 AM
Back then coop was more common because lots of games were based on arcade games and arcade games had coop so they could eat 2-4 coins at once instead of having to give each player his own playtime. Nowadays games aren't just not balanced for more than one player, they often rely on heavily scripted scenes that might not work with two players.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 04:44:02 AM
I am the man who is, self-declaredly, on a quest to find the ultimate co-op game.
I did like Hunter, but it was a bit lacking because it was too similar to Gauntlet in the "mow down all the enemies you can" factor. I think the ultimate co-op game would be one where players solve puzzles together.
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Post by: vudu on March 02, 2007, 06:17:41 AM
Quote I think the ultimate co-op game would be one where players solve puzzles together.
Have you checked out the Splinter Cell co-op? I've heard pretty good things about it.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 06:38:15 AM
Yeah, I liked it, but it's only two player and the puzzles tended to be pretty basic.
Still, a good effort.
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Post by: WuTangTurtle on March 03, 2007, 06:27:49 PM
what about Castlevania Portrait of Ruin? Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Zelda Four Swords? I would have also said Elebits since it uses one screen but its competitive not co-op. Personally I liked Perfect Dark (N64), the co-op was decent and it even offered counter-op.
hmm I can't really think of any other games.......
...crap now I've just reminded myself that the next TMNT game isnt multiplayer. I'd love to see someone try another side-scrolling beat em up with co-op. X-Men Legends was close but it was 3D and the graphics were complete @ss.
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Post by: IceCold on March 03, 2007, 07:24:54 PM
Quote what about Castlevania Portrait of Ruin?
I think PoR is limited to one level..
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
Boss Rush IIRC.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 04, 2007, 05:26:08 AM
Could anyone imagine a 3D platformer co-op game? Me neither, but after replaying Donkey Kong Country again some type tag team effort doesn't seem to bad. The leading character does the main traveling and hoping around while the rear character could... attack as well? I don't know. You could do certain super jumps together with perfectly timed but presses or something.
I wan't something like that, with out guns.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 04, 2007, 05:47:52 AM
Portrait of Ruin is limited to just Boss rush mode.
I was expecting a TRUE co-op where you could join a current main game and help that player with the bosses, puzzles and defeating the stages. But the co-op is just boss rush mode which is just three levels.
So yeah, its FAR from the best co-op ever.
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on March 04, 2007, 05:53:08 AM
With online gaming getting more and more popular, I expect to see many more co-op games popping up. Personally, I'd kill for a re-worked co-op version of Half-Life 2.
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Post by: Requiem on March 06, 2007, 08:21:55 PM
I just thought of a badass idea.....
but I'm going to write about it in a new thread in the Wii section.
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on March 07, 2007, 04:58:50 AM
As long as it's not a piece of EA's usual crap, it looks good. Seems like a Gears of War ripoff with better co-op.
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Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on March 20, 2007, 12:42:57 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Caterkiller Could anyone imagine a 3D platformer co-op game? Me neither, but after replaying Donkey Kong Country again some type tag team effort doesn't seem to bad. The leading character does the main traveling and hoping around while the rear character could... attack as well? I don't know. You could do certain super jumps together with perfectly timed but presses or something.
I wan't something like that, with out guns.
Not that it's the greatest example, but Sonic Adventure had a weak attempt at this when Tails is following Sonic. It was more of an easter egg than anything practical, but I would love to see something like that fleshed out
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Post by: Requiem on March 20, 2007, 05:22:59 PM
I think it would be awesome if a SplinterCell type Ninja game came out with Co-op.
Like, both players most protect each other while using the cooperation between them to infiltrate places and assassinate people. For example, you use a grappling hook to climb up a wall. The rope is only strong enough for one, so the other must wait until the first person climbs to the top. While at the top, the player who went first must protect his fellow Ninja as he attempts to climb up. If he fails to, the enemy will sever the rope and kill his partner.
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Post by: Amodaus1 on March 20, 2007, 05:54:18 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem I think it would be awesome if a SplinterCell type Ninja game came out with Co-op.
Like, both players most protect each other while using the cooperation between them to infiltrate places and assassinate people. For example, you use a grappling hook to climb up a wall. The rope is only strong enough for one, so the other must wait until the first person climbs to the top. While at the top, the player who went first must protect his fellow Ninja as he attempts to climb up. If he fails to, the enemy will sever the rope and kill his partner.
Tenchu?
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Post by: Requiem on March 21, 2007, 03:50:38 AM
What is that?
....gooogles......
Naw, that game looks like it sucks.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 21, 2007, 06:54:10 AM
Earth defence Force 2017 has coop. If you don't have EDF2 that may be worth picking up.
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Post by: that Baby guy on April 17, 2007, 07:56:59 AM
If you have a 360, check out the demo of Monster Madness. I don't know all that's in the demo, but the game will have 4-player co-op.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 17, 2007, 08:06:01 AM
Alien Shooter 2 has coop for some modes (though not the campaign).
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
I wish Elebits had Coop.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2007, 07:51:31 PM
Yeah Elebits would be great with Coop. Incidentally, I played Gears of War coop for the first time today. I need to share my thoughts in the Gears thread.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2007, 12:51:17 PM
Earth Defense Force for the PS2 and Xbox 360 are excellent Co-op games.
It is one of the Best "mindless" shooters I have played. The action is always intense. The weapon variety, and the weapons in general are great fun to use.
And the game may have the Best Sniper Rifles of any game I have played.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on April 18, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
Better than the Far-Sight?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 19, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
Different than the Far-Sight.
I don't consider that a true Sniper Rifle. It is more a speciality gun.
But Better than most games offerings.
They more powerful sniper rifles just give you this feeling of ultimate power, when you can skill a 6 story Robot in 5 shots.
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Post by: EasyCure on April 19, 2007, 01:59:44 PM
Quote Personally I liked Perfect Dark (N64), the co-op was decent and it even offered counter-op.
i was hoping for so much more from the counter-op before the game was released, so i was a little dissapointed when i finally played it.
there were very few ways you could interupt Joannas objectives so most of the time you had to try to just snuff her out of the mission but the default gun you had as a Datadyne guard (the CMP150 i believe) was a pretty weak gun and even if you locked on to Joanna she could run right past you if the player used straffing effectively. the gaurds were too slow compared to her and extremely weak, she could take you out with only a few shots.
the suicide pill was a usefull item but usually respawned you when it was too late and you'd either have joanna run right passed you or you'd get control of your new character too late and get your head shot at. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
it was no fun to play so my friends and i usually stuck to co-op. still, though, i'd love to play the kind of counter-op game i imagined and not something that feels like a gimped death match. i would or prefered having counter-objectives that could ruin the main characters mission or make her have to take a different approach to something. for instance: say one of joannas objectives is to destroy a generator but as the counter-op you can rush to the location and lock the room from the inside so she cant get to it. say its a power generator and now that it cant be destroyed she cant have the cover of darkness to protect her. there could be mutiple alt. objectives to meet if the counter-op has changed what you can or cant do, that way theres a bit of a strategy eliment to the gameplay. you could even have mini-boss type encounters where at a certain point it becomes a deathmatch and once either player reaches a certain percentage of health you retreat and have to carry on completeing (or destroying) the mission. that could ultimately lead to a final showdown in a level that ultimately decides life or death. then, depending on who wins the next level will be altered somewhat.. hm thats a small example, i think i can flesh out my ideas better, but i think it gets what i imagine across.
maybe the n64 wasnt right for the job or maybe a (dedicated)fps wasn't the type of game that should have counter-op. but who knows, maybe now we can see someone take a stab it at now that we have bigger levels and better AI. one can dream.. <edit - closing I tag -UB>
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Post by: MoRZ on October 16, 2010, 08:20:37 AM
I just wanted to bring up this old topic because I'm really looking forward to Epic Yarn & DKCR co-op :)
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Post by: UncleBob on October 16, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Best Co-Op game ever?
Kirby Super Star.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2010, 11:57:35 AM
Earth defence Force 2017 has coop. If you don't have EDF2 that may be worth picking up.
This has some of the BEST Co-Op of any series. The Xbox 360 game was amazing even with its many MANY flaws. I loved that the games were simple crazy action games...destroy everything. But on the hardest skill level which my friends and I beat, you had to strategically plan every attack or you wouldn't survive. It was a pretty amazing experience, and one of the best personal gaming experiences of my life.
