Post by: Shinosuke on February 04, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
What do you folks think, any chances for this to come true?
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2007, 09:27:51 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: MarioAllStar on February 04, 2007, 09:36:01 AM
First, in order to deal with the DS' A/B/X/Y buttons, you would pretty much need to use a classic controller. True, the remote + Nunchuck could be used, but that would result in the buttons being scattered across two hands (A/B/X/Y becomes A/B/C/Z). So if I am playing New Super Mario Bros. with the Classic Controller, what do I do in order to touch the screen (to get an item)? I have to pick up the remote, aim it at the screen, and then select the item. Not the best situation.
Plus how would the Wii read the game cards?
Post by: Shinosuke on February 04, 2007, 09:38:57 AM
is there anything else I forgot?...
Post by: Shinosuke on February 04, 2007, 09:41:16 AM
Post by: Strell on February 04, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
Post by: tssf on February 04, 2007, 07:36:53 PM
However, there's nothing that says Nintendo couldn't just release a periphreal that could simulate DS gameplay. For instance, a bluetooth wireless controller made with a touch pad and face buttons.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 10:22:40 PM
Of course at that point they could just tell people to go and buy a DS...
Post by: oohhboy on February 05, 2007, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: JonLeung on February 05, 2007, 02:13:26 AM
There could be a DS player, but it's really just a thing to slot your DS game card into; you'd still require a DS communicating wirelessly to the Wii to play it.
But is that technically possible? Is the amount of data moving around on the DS card during normal play on a DS capable of being transferred wirelessly just as fast as it should? If it was just using the DS like a wireless controller, sure, no problem, the DS player could do all the processing and the DS handles the input. But you'd still want the display on the DS's two screens...the touch screen especially, so you know where you're supposed to be touching, but by extension you'd need the top screen in many cases too.
Arrrgh, it's probably not possible or at least not comfortable. But I do hope there is more DS-Wii connectivity than GBA-GCN connectivity (which is separate from what we're talking about with the GB Player).
Post by: Shinosuke on February 05, 2007, 04:41:52 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2007, 04:59:12 AM
I like the idea of using a DS to control it. Basically you're just taking the video feed and putting it on the TV. So if you have to look down to see the touchscreen you can but for games that don't require the touchscreen you can play them on the TV. Then Nintendo isn't even eating into DS sales (which doesn't matter anyway because the games sell either way) because it isn't a seperate player but rather an accessory to allow DS owners to play on a TV.
Regarding the remote I think you could do okay with a classic controller in one hand and a remote in the other. With stylus games you pretty much have to do that anyway. You can't use the touchscreen while keeping you hands in place on the DS "controller" anyway. You either only have to use one side plus the touchscreen or you have one of those really annoying games that use the whole "controller" and then periodically ask you to whip out the stylus. In that case you're swapping things around anyway.
Though personally I could play any DS game with a mouse cursor as my "touchscreen". The "touching" aspect of it doesn't do anything for me.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 05, 2007, 05:13:24 AM
Post by: Rhoq on February 05, 2007, 05:16:23 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
On the other hand, with the way Nintendo has been peripheral crazy, whats to stop them from releasing a device that is essentially a large touch pad but also wirelessly transmits DS game data to your wii to display on your television? It could be a small tablet with a dock for the wiimote to connect to, maybe allow its facebuttons to be usable on the tablet, but a pass-thru port to connect a nunchuck to...
Imagine a small tablet on your lap where you use your fingers instead of a stylus to do everything you would via the touch screen on a DS but have a small cursor representing your finger position on screen. The nunchuck can be used for movement, obviously, as well as add some extra buttons to the device. For instance, I've been playing Star Fox Comman recently and I really dislike the touchscreen controls for that game. I use a 'Comfort Stylus' to wrap around my thumb in such a way that it feels like i'm using an anolog stick but even thats only slightly less awkward than using a regular stylus. With this touch tablet, I can use my thumbs to control the game more naturally, and the nunchucks trigger buttons would be MUCH more comfortable than using the L button (or d-pad) on my DS. With a device like this, you'd get the tactile feeling of the touch screen with the convenience of sitting in front of a big ass tv.
Dammit, now i wish they had this in the pipeline.
Post by: Mop it up on September 14, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
If it weren't for the Game Boy Player I'd probably never play handheld games. If a DS player of sorts were released, was functional, and wasn't too expensive, I might consider it.
Post by: UncleBob on September 14, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 08:48:50 PM
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2009, 12:44:49 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Sucks but I think that's just the reality.
Post by: Stogi on September 15, 2009, 06:56:06 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Post by: EasyCure on September 16, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
Revisiting this topic now that the DSi is out, as much as I would like them to, I really don't think Nintendo would ever release something like this. DS software sales is not enough for them. They made the DSi because they want each individual member of the family to have their own DS. Just one per household is not good enough. So they obviously consider hardware sales to be very important. So they probably think something like this would seriously affect that business model. The whole family is less likely to each buy a DSi if they can all sit around the TV and play their DS games using their Wii.
Sucks but I think that's just the reality.
But then again won't you think Nintendo would find a way to make compelling software to try to push more hardware on the consumer if they released THIS hardware first?
Imagine they release something that isn't a touch tablet that lets you play your DS ames on tv, but a plug-in for the DS that does the same thing... but made specific games for it that, I don't want to say required... but had incentives to play using multiple devices? In other words games that required multiple DSi's (I want to be model specific in this case since this one pacs extra hardware features, like the camera) to play. You know if Nintendo could come up with a game that made sense, they'd do it and try to push for it if it could make kids beg their moms to buy a second DS for their brother/sister to play a game on their Wii.
What about using the Wii as a third screen? :o
Uhm, what?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 16, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
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But then again won't you think Nintendo would find a way to make compelling software to try to push more hardware on the consumer if they released THIS hardware first?
Imagine they release something that isn't a touch tablet that lets you play your DS ames on tv, but a plug-in for the DS that does the same thing... but made specific games for it that, I don't want to say required... but had incentives to play using multiple devices? In other words games that required multiple DSi's (I want to be model specific in this case since this one pacs extra hardware features, like the camera) to play. You know if Nintendo could come up with a game that made sense, they'd do it and try to push for it if it could make kids beg their moms to buy a second DS for their brother/sister to play a game on their Wii.
I could totally see them doing this. That's not a compliment though. Way to think like an evil corporation there, Cure. ;)
I was thinking about how conventional the Game Boy Player was. It was really just a very user friendly device. It played all Game Boy games and even supported the link cable, which I didn't really expect since the Super Game Boy didn't. It was like no tricks, here's a product that if you're interested will perfectly suit your needs. I modded my Gamecube so I could import the thing earlier from Japan. I wanted it THAT BAD and it was so perfect that I later could just buy a replacement disc to get it working in English.
Even then it seemed somewhat out-of-character for Nintendo. Where's the catch? Shouldn't this suck in some goofy way that keeps it from perfection? The only true flaw is the Wii doesn't support it but I consider that a Wii goof. So I really doubt that the Nintendo of today would release something like that. If they did your idea, well, they would be dicks, but I would be happy with the product.
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 16, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Post by: EasyCure on September 17, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
The problem with the Game Boy Player was that Nintendo made so few of them, 6 months after it released I had a hard time even finding one (and ended up having to get a used one since I couldn't find any new ones).
That reminds me, I MUST pick one up used.. and a handful of GB games...
QuoteBut then again won't you think Nintendo would find a way to make compelling software to try to push more hardware on the consumer if they released THIS hardware first?
Imagine they release something that isn't a touch tablet that lets you play your DS ames on tv, but a plug-in for the DS that does the same thing... but made specific games for it that, I don't want to say required... but had incentives to play using multiple devices? In other words games that required multiple DSi's (I want to be model specific in this case since this one pacs extra hardware features, like the camera) to play. You know if Nintendo could come up with a game that made sense, they'd do it and try to push for it if it could make kids beg their moms to buy a second DS for their brother/sister to play a game on their Wii.
I could totally see them doing this. That's not a compliment though. Way to think like an evil corporation there, Cure. ;)
I was thinking about how conventional the Game Boy Player was. It was really just a very user friendly device. It played all Game Boy games and even supported the link cable, which I didn't really expect since the Super Game Boy didn't. It was like no tricks, here's a product that if you're interested will perfectly suit your needs. I modded my Gamecube so I could import the thing earlier from Japan. I wanted it THAT BAD and it was so perfect that I later could just buy a replacement disc to get it working in English.
Even then it seemed somewhat out-of-character for Nintendo. Where's the catch? Shouldn't this suck in some goofy way that keeps it from perfection? The only true flaw is the Wii doesn't support it but I consider that a Wii goof. So I really doubt that the Nintendo of today would release something like that. If they did your idea, well, they would be dicks, but I would be happy with the product.
I don't care how dickish it is if they released it with a catch of sorts, I would buy the gimmicky game just to get a means to play my DS games on my tv.
On a side note, i'd give nintendo tons of money to download some old GB/GBC games from the virtual console dammit!
WHO'S WITH ME!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 17, 2009, 01:46:55 PM
Post by: vudu on September 17, 2009, 02:20:01 PM
The problem with the Game Boy Player was that Nintendo made so few of them, 6 months after it released I had a hard time even finding one (and ended up having to get a used one since I couldn't find any new ones).
Even worse they didn't release it in Indigo in America! I never bought one because I wanted it to match my GameCube.
Post by: Plugabugz on September 17, 2009, 05:54:57 PM
I'm in.
As Daisy*
You really shouldn't attract Pro's wrath by saying things like that.
Post by: Stogi on September 17, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
Revisiting this topic now that the DSi is out, as much as I would like them to, I really don't think Nintendo would ever release something like this. DS software sales is not enough for them. They made the DSi because they want each individual member of the family to have their own DS. Just one per household is not good enough. So they obviously consider hardware sales to be very important. So they probably think something like this would seriously affect that business model. The whole family is less likely to each buy a DSi if they can all sit around the TV and play their DS games using their Wii.
Sucks but I think that's just the reality.
But then again won't you think Nintendo would find a way to make compelling software to try to push more hardware on the consumer if they released THIS hardware first?
Imagine they release something that isn't a touch tablet that lets you play your DS ames on tv, but a plug-in for the DS that does the same thing... but made specific games for it that, I don't want to say required... but had incentives to play using multiple devices? In other words games that required multiple DSi's (I want to be model specific in this case since this one pacs extra hardware features, like the camera) to play. You know if Nintendo could come up with a game that made sense, they'd do it and try to push for it if it could make kids beg their moms to buy a second DS for their brother/sister to play a game on their Wii.What about using the Wii as a third screen? :o
Uhm, what?
Games that involve both the Wii and DS. Like a trauma center type game where you have a nurse on DS and your the doctor cut people open on the Wii.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 17, 2009, 06:44:53 PM
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Games that involve both the Wii and DS. Like a trauma center type game where you have a nurse on DS and your the doctor cut people open on the Wii.
So connectivity mixed with waggle? Don't stop there! Surely we can incorporate R.O.B. or the Virtual Boy in there in some way. And release all the games in e-Reader format. ;)
In all seriousness that Trauma Center idea is not bad and is a good example to demonstrate the idea. If I could get a new Four Swords game AND a DS player all in one go I'd be pretty thrilled.
Post by: BwrJim! on September 18, 2009, 11:54:31 AM
please see... Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles.
Post by: EasyCure on September 18, 2009, 12:01:12 PM
QuoteGames that involve both the Wii and DS. Like a trauma center type game where you have a nurse on DS and your the doctor cut people open on the Wii.
So connectivity mixed with waggle? Don't stop there! Surely we can incorporate R.O.B. or the Virtual Boy in there in some way. And release all the games in e-Reader format. ;)
In all seriousness that Trauma Center idea is not bad and is a good example to demonstrate the idea. If I could get a new Four Swords game AND a DS player all in one go I'd be pretty thrilled.
That makes sense, actually..
