Post by: Sir Daniel Fortesque on March 13, 2003, 11:26:45 AM
Capcom
Chaos Legion
Clock Tower 3
Ghouls and Ghosts Online
Onimusha 3
Red Dead Revolver
Resident Evil Dead Aim
Resident Evil Online
Resident Evil 5
Maximo 2
The Glass Rose
Gregory Horror Show
Capcom Fighting All-Stars
Bionic Commando Sequel
Street Fighter 4
Konami
Metal Gear Solid 3
Castlevania
Gradius V
DDRMax2 Dance Dance Revolution
K-1 World Grand Prix
McFarlane's Monsters
Silent Hill 3
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Cy Girls: The concept
Axelay 2
KOEI
Dynasty Warriors 4
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 8
Dynasty Tactics 2
Namco
Ace Combat 5 (temporary title
Moto GP3
Ridge Racer 6 (temporary title)
Soul Calibur II
Tekken 5
Time Crisis 3
Sony Computer Entertainment
Amplitude
Arc the Lad Online
Arc the Lad Twilight of the Spirits
Axel Impact
Colony Wars Online
Destruction Derby Arenas
Downhill Domination
Hot Shots Golf Online
G-Police Online
Gran Turismo 4
Hardware
Ico 2
Jackie Chan Adventures
Jak and Daxter 2
Online Bomberman
Primal
Ratchet and Clank 2
Rise to Honor
Syphon Filter Online
Sly Cooper 2
SOCOM: US Navy Seals Add-on
The Getaway Add-on
Sega
Golden Axe
Streets of Rage
Planet Harrier
Outrun
G-Lock/After Burner
Shining RPG
Initial D Special Stage
King of Route 66
New Sonic Team Title
Sega Rally 3
Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution.
Virtual On: Marz
Space Channel 5, Part 2
Square-Enix
Drag-on Dragoon
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Star Ocean Till the End of Time
UNLIMITED: SaGa
Final Fantasy XI: Vision of Ziraat
Dragon Quest VIII (2004)
Final Fantasy XII (2004)
Chrono 3 (2004)
That's the Ps2 lineup for E3 this year, I think Nintendo might have a hard time beating all those games. What you guy think?
Ps: This is not meant to upset anyone on this board, I just want to know everyone's opinion on this matter.
Post by: Sean on March 13, 2003, 06:18:34 PM
Okay, I should clarify. I know you're not saying they are all exclusives, but the thread is getting at the fact that the PS2 will have all these games and that will make it hard for Nintendo, for instance, to compete. Well, it's just not a comparison worth making. Surely you see that this list doesn't mean much of anything.
If I'm missing your point, let me know, but if you're saying that with a lineup like the above that Nintendo can't compete, then I starkly disagree. Nintendo will get stomped by Sony as usual, because that's just how things are right now, but this list isn't really an indication of much.
Post by: FFantasyFX on March 13, 2003, 06:30:19 PM
Resident Evil 5 - This certainly won't be shown at E3, and even when it is revealed, who knows if it will be GC exclusive, multiplatform, or a Playstation exclusive. Quite frankly, I think the first two options are much more likely than the final one.
Capcom Fighting All-Stars - This one has actually been rumored to be coming to the GC from time to time, who knows where it will end up.
Street Fighter 4 - ??? While it would be nice of Capcom to finally prove they can't above three for a series other than Mega Man, I haven't heard anything about this one.
Rachet and Clank 2, Sly Cooper 2 - What, is Sony trying to turn these series into the next Tomb Raiders? (and I don't mean that in a good way). The originals were only released this past holiday season.
Final Fantasy XI - Not so sure this is going to come out over here, considering the necessity for a hard drive and other hurdles, but I might be wrong.
Chrono 3 - Certainly won't be shown, very minor possibility that it isn't even for the Playstation 2.
Anyway, to be blunt, I think this particular list (wherever you got it), is much too easy to pick apart with its numerous flaws to be very convincing. Some person just stuck together every confirmed and rumored PS2 game of any value and ended up with a list that might not end up being too accurate.
Post by: Grimlock on March 13, 2003, 06:40:37 PM
Now, concerning how this stacks up against Nintendo's E3 lineup: there are already lots of great GCN games that we know will be shown at E3 as well as many that we don't yet know about. Nintendo likes to hold its cards very close to its proverbial chest, so I'm certain they've got quite a few big surprises in store for us at E3.
So what's the bottom line? Ignore this list, wait until E3 to see what's REALLY shown, and THEN decide for yourself who has the better showing. In the meantime, go play some great games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 13, 2003, 08:37:32 PM
Post by: Matt on March 24, 2003, 09:57:11 AM
Post by: rpglover on March 31, 2003, 01:30:30 PM
those include: chrono 3, re5 (which will probably be on the gamecube), metal gear 3, and some others
also- i think you got these games off of ign am i right?
nintendo always has surprises remember- every year they surprise everyone with something or another
i think that the ps2 e3 showing will be alright- i only care about the rpgs that they show
nintendo always has the best lineup- mostly because they keep everything so secretive and hidden
Post by: Samwise Gamgee on April 08, 2003, 06:36:24 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on April 21, 2003, 01:02:25 PM
There are all these fake lists for each console going around. The actual line-ups won't be anywhere near as good as these amazing fantasy line-ups featuring games that either aren't real or won't be released for a LONG time and definitly won't be at E3.
As for who will "win" E3. If winning means drawing the biggest crowds, Nintendo obviously will win. Mario Kart alone will probably guarantee that. Despite barely showing any games, Nintendo "won" E3 two years ago simply because it had Smash Bros Melee which drew the biggest crowds and made Nintendo's section of the show the most popular.
Post by: nolimit19 on April 21, 2003, 09:20:29 PM
Post by: Ninja X on April 25, 2003, 08:55:35 AM
Or PC titles. Doom III took home E3 Game of the Year. Metroid Prime was runner-up.
Post by: Cube323 on May 05, 2003, 01:23:31 PM
Also, "sir" Daniel neglects to mention that the majority of the games he has listed are not ps2 exclusives and will infact be coming to other consoles and p.c.
Another good point is that many of the games listed actually suck! I know this may offend a few of you but, lets face facts, many of the biggest franchises on the ps2 have been either high profile disappointments(The Getaway), or they are franchises that have been milked to death with countless, mindless, "cash-run" sequels(Final Fantasy, Onimusha, Metal Gear, etc...)
Finally, his mentions the non-existent "Resident Evil 5." Thats a laugh! It just goes to show you how brainwashed and mindless most "$ony Nazi's" really are. They will believe anything! lol! Then they come in to places like this and shoot their uninformed mouths off. Its quite a laugh. I see posts like "sir" daniel's on almost every web board I go to. It's always some little $ony goon saying, "Nintendo's getting out of the hardware Business" or "Microsoft is stopping production on X-box." Oh please, can't you people find better things to do?
The "Wall Street Journal" Recently reported that it expects half of $ony's current user base to switch to either a Nintendo or a Microsoft system during the next round of console wars. Last fridays "Hollywood Reporter" featured a cover story detailing the masssive %13 drop in $ony Entertainment stocks over the last couple of months. Finally, $ony is suffering from massive piracy and a floundering on-line campaign that many industry folks see as a failure. (If you've played EverQuest or Socom, you know why) If anyone should be worried about E3, it should be $ony, this time they really need to put up or shut up
Especially considering that their biggest franchises will now bee seen on other systems (i.e. GTA Series, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear)I have a prediction that will come to pass; This is $ony's last round at the top.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 05, 2003, 02:32:40 PM
QuoteThat's not the only reason it "won." Nintendo, pioneering the video game since the early 80s suddenly announced that they would be showing off their new console, their prized Project Dolphin. Not only that, but the games showed were more than just Super Smash Bros. Melee:
Nintendo "won" E3 two years ago simply because it had Smash Bros Melee which drew the biggest crowds and made Nintendo's section of the show the most popular.
-Luigi's Mansion
-Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
-Eternal Darkness
-Pikmin
-Star Fox Adventures
-WaveRace: Bluestorm
-Metroid Prime
-Animal Forest
-Kameo: Elements of Power
Clearly it was more than just SSBM. Luigi was to star in his first game (ie, without Mario there to hold the game up). The incredible guys at Factor 5 were showing off just how impressive the GameCube could look. Silicon Knights demonstrated just how spooky a game could get when sanity effects combined with a great storyline. Miyamoto, the most revered game developer of this age showed of a new series, Pikmin. Rare burst out of the gates showing off their artistic skills in Star Fox Adventures and Kameo (yes, I know this is no longer for GC, thank you). Retro Studio was showing off a solid series that had not shown its face in the American limelight for eight long years. And last, but certainly not least, was the innovative creation from EAD simply entitled Animal Crossing that would come to be known as one of the most addicting games of all time.
Post by: Kulock on May 05, 2003, 06:05:22 PM
Are you sure this is a real list, or just a fanboy's collection with some of the titles only based on weak rumors?
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 06, 2003, 09:14:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Ninja X
nolimit
Or PC titles. Doom III took home E3 Game of the Year. Metroid Prime was runner-up.
You are right Ninja X. Doom 3 did win.....and it was the most ridiculous E3 game of the year ever. The game was just footage. Hell even the latest demo I played isn't even at version 1 yet!!! and that was last month. Hopefully no matter which platform its on....this years E3 game of the year is actually a playable title. I mean anyone can come out with some promising video footage. Oh an from what I played Doom 3 seems deserving of that honor but how could anyone know that for sure last year when they weren't able to try it out in playable form? BTW nice Avatar Ninja X. Grey Fox......they shouldn't have killed him. He deserved a spinoff.......
Darc Requiem
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on May 07, 2003, 11:48:49 AM
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You are right Ninja X. Doom 3 did win.....and it was the most ridiculous E3 game of the year ever. The game was just footage. Hell even the latest demo I played isn't even at version 1 yet!!! and that was last month.
So we see the continuing trend of stuff on film winning GOTY, just like MGS2. You know what? NOw that MGS:TT is only gonna be shown as footage, maybe Nintendo will actually have a shot at "GOTY" this year!
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 07, 2003, 01:35:19 PM
And someone said something about Sly Cooper. Don't dis Sly Cooper. That is an awesome game. Jak and Dexter seriously sucked (looked like another boring Rare-esque game), but Sly Cooper was a lot of fun.
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Post by: Darc Requiem on May 08, 2003, 05:26:17 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: yellowfellow on May 09, 2003, 08:38:32 AM
i just don't want to see the big N come out with it's titles thinking that it's gonna rule the show just because it's nintendo and then get blown out of the water. they tried relying on just their name and it's gotten them this far. they have to get off their asses, make some things happen, and hopefully pull out of this image problem they're in right now.
Post by: boggy b on May 09, 2003, 10:12:12 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 10, 2003, 12:53:27 AM
Post by: Alliedrally68 on May 13, 2003, 08:34:03 AM
Post by: Ninja X on May 13, 2003, 10:26:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem<br
BTW nice Avatar Ninja X. Grey Fox......they shouldn't have killed him. He deserved a spinoff.......
Thanks. Grey Fox was indeed great. Ah...Kojima...you take out characters like Grey Fox and put in characters like Raiden...
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 13, 2003, 11:34:30 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 13, 2003, 11:38:28 AM
unless the press conferences are not over.. in which case i take back that last comment
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 13, 2003, 02:18:09 PM
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Post by: Cube323 on May 13, 2003, 04:28:08 PM
Not to mention the fact that Halo2 isn't coming out until Christmas 2004! Will anyone even care by then?The Ps2's lineup is weaker that it has ever been. Their best franchises have run their course, and $ony itself couldn't make a good game if it wanted to.
As for the psp, by the time it reaches the market, GBA:Sp will have sold another 10-20 million units worldwide. It has all the developers, the support of retailers and consumers alike, and a huge installed base. I wouldn't worry at all.
I have two predictions. First Nintendo OWNS this years E3
Second: This is $ony's last round at the top
(The Wall Street Journal Predicts that $ony will loose HALF of it's current installed base to either Nintendo or Microsoft, during the next round of console wars. Several years ago they predicted that $ony would steal a large portion of Nintendo's market share. This prediction obviously came to pass. Now we wait while their next prediction unfolds)
Post by: Mario on May 13, 2003, 04:42:30 PM
they are gonna sink even further down now...
Post by: Cube323 on May 13, 2003, 04:52:23 PM
Nintendo is doing anything but sinking, infact they own the top three spots in software sales.
Microsoft has nothing, $ony has nothing.
Post by: boggy b on May 14, 2003, 09:04:24 AM
Nintendo's lineup at this years E3 has, frankly, been an embarrasment. Just about the only game that people really took notice of was Gheist, since Nintendo seem to be shoving the fact that the GBA can connect to GCN in everyone's faces, despite the fact that everyone knew this from the beginning.
Microsoft have had a pretty good show too, so far, with Halo 2, DOOM 3 and Half-Life 2 getting a lot of attention. If ever there was a time that showed XBox's graphical superiority, this is it.
But without a doubt, Sony have run in heavy footed, caged, taken home and buried this year's E3. MGS3, the next GTA, GT4, Jak II, Ratchet and Clank II, and even Eyetoy. Then, of course, there's PSP, and Nintendo's future starts looking even grimmer.
Company of the Show? Sony, no doubt?
Game of show? Toss up between MGS3, Halo 2 and GT4.
Post by: AERO on May 15, 2003, 11:54:01 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 15, 2003, 12:45:02 PM
PS2, yes, another GTA game (let's put in uncovered boobs and there will be more people to kill this time). Jak and Dexter was crap, but if Sly Cooper was there, Sony is redeemed. (GTA is fun, but jeez, this is getting like rinse and repeat)
Gamecube? Well, I don't own a GBA, so the whole connection isn't a big deal. I think it's good that they're practicing and stuff, but they may have overdone it. Aside from that, I'm not particularly excited about Geist after seeing the footage (it looks fun, but not my type of game), but many other games look good. Star Fox will be a must get for me, and I'm crossing my fingers, hoping for something very good. Mario Kart will be great. Kirby's Air Ride looks fun, and I'm a big Kirby supporter, so I'll probably get it. The games I thought looked like crap turned out to look good (Wario World), but I still probably won't get them, due to monetary restrictions. I don't know why everyone is disappointed by a lack of new franchises. As if the other two systems are doing something new (note Doom 3, Halflife, Halo, J&D 2, and the new GTA). I'd like to see something new, too, but an original idea doesn't have to come in the form of a new game. Something with well known characters can still be completely new and innovative. I hate to sound like a fanboy, but I like what I'll be getting this year.
And Boggy b, he has every right to say that you're a fanboy. Takes one to know one
Post by: Cube323 on May 15, 2003, 07:39:26 PM
Rockstar can't wait to get out of their exclusive deal w/ $ony. This is public knowledge. Rockstar openly states that their deal w/ $ony cost them millions of dollars in the long run. What appeared to be a good deal for them at first ended up screwing them, and all gamers, in the end. The second that deal ends GTA3,Vice City, and GTA "NEXT", will appear on ALL competing systems, including Gamecube, and who knows, maybe even GBA? $ony knows this and their sh*ttting their pants, because besides Final Fantasy, it's all they have. And w/ crazy rumors like SquareEnix doing remakes of certain F.F. games for GameCube, they may not even have FF for long.
As for Microsoft, yes I greatly anticipate Halo 2. In fact I can't wait. Still be the time it comes out in late 2004, their will be many, many games just like it. Plus, I have never been blow away by Halo 2's supposed graphical prowess. You see many games like it running on middle of the road p.c.'s all the time. Also as far as Doom3 and Half Life 2, their was no sign of an X-box version of either game. Just PC footage and mostly un-revealing trailers at that.
Also if you happen to catch Halo 2's private screening, note that the developer says that the game is "real time," and that he is "playing" the game. Yet when I saw the demonstraion twice, he made the exact same moves both times. Also those same moves were identical to the early footage of the game I have seen on the net. Plus I sat in the front row and he really didn't seem to be moving his fingers much. Hmmm
Actually in my personal opinion, Conker "whatever", looks like a dressed up N64 game. Kameo Elements of power just plain sucks and Microsoft got screwed w/ the worst exclusive character for their version of Soul Caliber 2. Spawn plays horribly (I'd love to kick his ass w/ Heihaci or Link), and he's just a crappy character to begin w/.
Microsoft actually had to fill dead floor space w/ old games such as Halo and Steel Batallion.
In the end, I think that no-one was the winner of of this years E3. Every where you went it was business as usual. This is the quiet before the storm. If their was a winner it was the comeback kid, Nintendo. Plus Sega, although now just a third party, had a great showing, as did Konami and Namco. Microsoft gets a strong second place for Halo 2 and the possiblity of D3 and eventually Half Life 2. (Although I'll probably play it on PC)
Btw, Bobby B, GT4 doesn't even come close to being a contender for game of the show. If their was one title that screamed lack of originality, this was it. 8 freaking years of the same GT game over and over again. At least Mario changes, lol. Also GT4 is a niche game, that doesn't appeal to all gamers.
Well, in the end who really cares what either of us thinks right? lol! Also, really sorry about the long post, I just had a lot of dirt to dish.
Enjoy the show!
Post by: atrossity on May 16, 2003, 01:15:47 PM
i own a ps2 and im buying a cube this weekend, i have two ps2 games currently and one im selling, which means that the ps2 games are letting me down, so this list excites me.
but what excites me even more is the thought of playing zelda and mario kart and fzero..
the list goes on.
i used to own a gc, i got banned from these forums, and now i want one again. its about time nintendo starts to show their power in gaming. i think you all just make the list seem bad because the gc's lineups blow it away, which is true. man i cant wait.
Post by: boggy b on May 16, 2003, 02:29:58 PM
Post by: boggy b on May 16, 2003, 02:32:17 PM
And BTW, I didn't think MGS2's story was all the suckage it was meant to be. Not as good as MGs1, certainly, but a great game in its own right.
Post by: Cube323 on May 16, 2003, 04:19:01 PM
Also I must say that I own every console from Atari 2600 to X-box. I have an entertainment system that houses 8 game systems, all connected to one fantastic Mistubishi TV. Again, I'm not a fan boy, more of a game loving realist who has sen companies come and go. So many other companies were once at the top, everyone falls, $ony is no different. I predict that when the next round of system wars begins, PS3 will not be the market leader.
Also one more thing, please don't take any of my comments personally. I do not intend to offend or insult anyone. Doing so would be ridiculous. Were all gamers, so therefore, we are all in the same family
Peace!
Post by: Luciferschild on May 17, 2003, 10:11:16 AM
Post by: Cube323 on May 17, 2003, 03:41:34 PM
Post by: Luciferschild on May 18, 2003, 11:52:38 AM
Post by: Cube323 on May 18, 2003, 12:34:28 PM
Still you do have one point about the basketball titles. I would much rather have the completely superior Nba2k series on my Cube than the EA hoop titles. Oh well, I guess in this case, I have to settle for second best
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 18, 2003, 12:56:54 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 19, 2003, 05:16:38 AM
FF games for cube... Sounds like I'll finally get to play some of them. I hope they go for realtime this time instead of prerendered and use the saved space for full-game voice acting.
Err, just a question: Can the Cube do NPatches (Truform)? That would permit realtime render-quality cutscenes! YAY!
BTW, did anyone notice that the top games for all but Nintendo have got numbers in them? Okay, N simply doesn't add numbers, but it's an indication of the attitude towards innovation amongst publishers (naah, it's to risky, we prefer something tried and tested...)
Post by: yellowfellow on May 19, 2003, 08:44:48 PM
