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Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: New_link on March 12, 2003, 12:54:23 PM
ok many ppl talked about this subject and many are still talking but my point is that when nintendo leader Miyamoto announced the gamecube if i remember they announced a good online playing and all they have is PSO and you have to pay 9$ US/month(!!!)....im not complaining, i love the gc but look at xbox...i dont say gamecube should have the same thing and neihter say that i want a xbox live where you have to pay 50$/year...it would just be great if you just buy the internet adapter like ps2 and then just not paying anything else...but the bad thing its that it is like that for the gc too but theres no good games online...i dont know if Miyamoto wanted an online experince or not but its seems that he did and didnt...newayz hope it will be better and i enjoy playing gc even without onling gaming....
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: nintendofan on March 12, 2003, 01:07:20 PM
this is so going to be locked. if you dont want to pay for phantasy star online dont play online. there is a great  multiplayer mode too ya know. i still love one player games even with online.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Epitaph on March 12, 2003, 01:08:57 PM
Although xbox live may look promissing I heard that the 50$ a year doesn't cover other company costs like phantasy star you will still be paying 9$ a month over the 50$ a year. Nintendo themselves stated they didn't want to charge people for their own games if their online if other company's choose to they can. Got it good hope your happy with what you got
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: New_link on March 12, 2003, 01:12:37 PM
hey dont get me wrong...i love nintendo and im happy with just PSO but i mean if nintendo would launch more online games it would be even better and they would even get more gc users....and i PSO is not really my game....i would like to see Animal Crossing 2 online or Mario Kart or F-Zero...stuffs like that...
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Uncle Ed on March 12, 2003, 01:16:37 PM
I got X-Box Live. Here's my review.

It sucks balls.

All the good games get old fast. And when I say "good games" I mean "MechAssault." Everything else for it is retarded or too unstable to have any fun. (And I'm serious, this is no bias. I love my X-Box, but it's online money-sucking-online-offspring is horrible.)

X-Box Live only proves that consoles shouldn't touch the Internet, at least not in this day and age.  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: New_link on March 12, 2003, 01:17:50 PM
LOL!
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 12, 2003, 02:13:27 PM
Well uncle Ed i have to tell you this, good job on telling the truth. I think online gaming on consoles should be good but.... be launched by alot of well rounded titles. The only reason Nintendo released it so Sega would release PSO on its initial launch. But I like Nintendo's online strat launch a well rounded number of games that would support the modem adapters then support and advertise it and let the people be happy and not bitch about it.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Nintega on March 12, 2003, 04:11:28 PM
This happened with the Dreamcast.  Most, if not all, of the online games became boring within months.  You couldn't even find players to play with.  And that will be a problem when you're paying an annual or monthly fee and there's nobody to play with.  It's not a bad thing to have online gaming on the console but don't let it take away from those single or multiplayer gaming.  I'm not knocking online console gaming.  I actually have a PS2 broadband adapter and the only games I've tried are ATV Offroad Fury and Madden 2003 and that was just to try it out.  Never touched it again.  When broadband replaces narrowband and when all games can be played online, that'll be the right time to start.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: PIAC on March 12, 2003, 04:29:46 PM
yes, im kinda on the opinion of stay away from online consoles, but then most games i like wouldn't really work online (baring pokemon, which if done right would fully change my opinon of online consoles )

pc's are quicker and easier to access online gameing with, and you would be hard put to not be able to find a clone of what ever game you wanted to play online on console, there are that many fps' around, all pretty much as good as each other

i do find it interesting that uncle ed says that xbawx live isnt really stable, given its bband only, ohwell not my problem i dont own an xbawx

also, its good to hear that nintendo dont want to charge to play the games, thats a load off my mind should they do decide to go online (naturally i would have a looky, see if my opionin changes) cause im going to start playing everquest, and well, i couldn't really afford alot of p2p games
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on March 12, 2003, 04:36:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Uncle Ed
I got X-Box Live. Here's my review.

It sucks balls.

All the good games get old fast. And when I say "good games" I mean "MechAssault." Everything else for it is retarded or too unstable to have any fun. (And I'm serious, this is no bias. I love my X-Box, but it's online money-sucking-online-offspring is horrible.)

X-Box Live only proves that consoles shouldn't touch the Internet, at least not in this day and age.


oh my GOD! Someone OTHER than me thinks online gaming is crap? I'm not a freak! Yay!
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: cyrus420 on March 12, 2003, 05:45:33 PM
just the X-box online gaming is crap. PC online gaming on the other hand, is the exact opposite. the only PC games i own are online games (cept for age of mythology, but it has online multiplayer too.) have you guys heard of starwars galaxies? it's going to be awesome on the PC. the X-box and the PS2 are getting their own versions of the game. and since the game is being made by sony, i'm going to assume that the PS2 version will be nice, and the X-box version will be, not so nice.
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Post by: JP on March 12, 2003, 06:27:16 PM
wow! I thought this was going to be a sucky topic, but good points were made & everything has stayed sensible so far. Congratulations on a good topic with a good conversation.

btw, my opinion is that I haven't even liked PC online gaming that I've tried, so console gaming does not appeal to me at all.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Scyth3r on March 12, 2003, 10:11:22 PM
You may not like online gaming but many do.   It should always be AT LEAST and OPTION on a popular multiplayer game like Mario Kart or Animal Crossing.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Tael on March 13, 2003, 12:54:45 AM
Scyth3r - Online gaming shouldn't just be an option to replace a human player with another controller though. If that's what people really want, they don't need online play, they need friends.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 13, 2003, 01:36:50 AM
What makes you all think you should get to play online for free? Someone has to pay for servers, techs, set up and so many more costs that it isnt even funny, and yet you think it should all be free?
I have no problem at all paying as much as $25 a month for online play, as long as it is done right. You want something, you want it good, you better expect to pay for it.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 13, 2003, 02:35:25 AM
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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
What makes you all think you should get to play online for free? Someone has to pay for servers, techs, set up and so many more costs that it isnt even funny, and yet you think it should all be free?
I have no problem at all paying as much as $25 a month for online play, as long as it is done right. You want something, you want it good, you better expect to pay for it.


I'd have to agree with thecubedcanuck on this one. Somebody has to pay for the servers, the only reason a lot PC online gaming is free is because alot of the gamers themselves provide servers.....and it isn't cheap. My friend has a Business cable connection for his server....I won't even begin to tell you what his monthly bill is. Why business cable you ask, well he needs a static IP for his server so he's paying $120 a month for it. I thought my cable connection was expensive.......jeez....well at least his is faster. Since on consoles gamers wont be able to provide "free" servers, you will have to pay. If you aren't paying it probably won't be that good. Thats why Sega lost so much money with Seganet on DC it was completely free. PSO cost nothing to play on line, while it was cool and I enjoyed it......I can't imagine the amount money the lost each month maintaining the servers.....

Darc Requiem
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: WesDawg on March 13, 2003, 04:51:39 AM
I have no real strong desire for online play either. Mostly cause I figure I'll either hate it, or it will consume my life. Neither is really something I want right now. Anyways, with the talk about server costs, I have to wonder how M$ is surviving right now? I read the Perrin Kaplin interview at IGN and he said they're just loosing money like crazy. Anyways, I think it's becoming more apparent that Nintendo wasn't lying when they said there was no money in online right now.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Kai on March 13, 2003, 07:31:28 AM
I would rather play online for free with my PC. A lot of game companies make their game servers free, as do a lot of ISP's as part of their enticement to join.

As for Cube games, I am happy to play mario kart et al with the SP game and friends.

The montly fee with XBox Live might be warrented, but it isn't going to be my online system of choice when I can play better online games on my PC for free.  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Uglydot on March 13, 2003, 08:42:15 AM
I have always been annoyed at people who become angry when game companies ask for money to provide an online service.  A lot of people, especially here in American, don't realize how much this stuff costs.  Servers are not free, bandwidth is not free, workforce is not free.  These games don't simply run on magic, they are run by people who need to bring home a pay check.  I DO demand good costomer service when I pay to play, though.  The service in Everquest was atrocious, one big reason I stopped sending my 9.95 then 12.95 a month.  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: kennyb27 on March 13, 2003, 10:41:41 AM
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Anyways, with the talk about server costs, I have to wonder how M$ is surviving right now? I read the Perrin Kaplin interview at IGN and he said they're just loosing money like crazy.
Apparently many financial experts believe Microsoft could lose close to $2 billion on XBox Live by the end of this year.  I don't see how this investment by Microsoft is even close to worth it.  Then again, they are pretty secure in the money department over at Microsoft Headquarters.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on March 13, 2003, 11:12:49 AM
Gamespy is now a Gamecube Developer!
So now if a 3rd party wants to have online features Gamespy can do it for them!!

Link- planetgamecube.com  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: New_link on March 13, 2003, 01:42:20 PM
thx everyone for posting...constructive opinions no flames like on other forums...good =D...personally i dont really care if there's going to be many games online or not...im happy with  Zelda: The WW, Animal Crossing and the game that are coming...F-Zero, Mario Kart....but i would be EVEN more happy with cool online games...thx again for the comments...
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Scyth3r on March 13, 2003, 03:04:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Tael
Scyth3r - Online gaming shouldn't just be an option to replace a human player with another controller though. If that's what people really want, they don't need online play, they need friends.


I'm sorry but unlike you many of us are busy and have lives, and simply cannot meet up with friends always.   Of course I much prefer human interaction and playing with friends as its much funner, but having the option of playing online is great.  Furthermore, guess what.. playing online with a friend is still fun!  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Zschokke24 on March 13, 2003, 03:22:24 PM
What about this new keyboard coming to the states? It looks like id much rather have the ASCII keyboard cuz of the controller on the sides. this one doesnt have anything on the sides. so does that mean u hafta put down your controler to type? that would be dumb
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: AERO on March 13, 2003, 03:23:31 PM
Your the first person I've seen that doesn't like XBL. Never the less this is now gonna be used from now on when ever online gaming is brought up, cause people are gonna start saying "oh I heard xbox live isn't good" and stuff based on this to prove a point. Sad I know.  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on March 13, 2003, 04:02:54 PM
Well, we all know that online gaming is crap, but that's only us die-hard fanboys. Yes, PS2 can survive because it has tons of mindless sheep flocking to buy more and more of it, and the Xbox will still survive (damn!) because of Bill's bottomless bank account.

Did you know? Bill Gates's underground garage can hold over 100 cars? Obscene....
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Tael on March 13, 2003, 05:21:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Scyth3r
I'm sorry but unlike you many of us are busy and have lives, and simply cannot meet up with friends always.
Seems like you're the one without a life if you can't meet up with your friends.

Also, how do you know how busy I am? I never mentioned how old I am, and what my employment status is, or where I work in my post.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: AERO on March 13, 2003, 05:25:50 PM
Theres a blue print of the guys house online somewhere. I saw it on another message board. As I recall like half of it is underground. It was crazy.  
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: JoeFalco on March 13, 2003, 06:19:42 PM
The only titles I can think of that should go online for the Cube would be Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Perfect Dark (I know it will never happen but can't I dream?!), Super Smash Brothers and Mario Party.  That's all I can think of for now.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Kellk on March 14, 2003, 07:28:43 AM
In many cases, a server is not necessary.  Peer to peer, where one system serves as the host, would work just fine.  Sometimes a "matchup" server is used to keep track of all the hosts available so that you can find them, but such a server does not nearly require the amount of expense as servers actually serving and running the content - like for Phantasy Star or Everquest.  
And no, I don't think a matchup server is worth 10 bucks a month.  In fact, I'd prefer the option to plug in the IP of a known existing host and bypass the matchup server altogether.    
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: PIAC on March 14, 2003, 11:38:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Zschokke24
What about this new keyboard coming to the states? It looks like id much rather have the ASCII keyboard cuz of the controller on the sides. this one doesnt have anything on the sides. so does that mean u hafta put down your controler to type? that would be dumb


learnt to touchtype you can type a quick message in like half a second then get back to your gameing on the subject of keyboards, if/when cubeonline gets big (i personally dont hold any great hope, or even desire) somene should bring out a wavebird keyboard, that would be a good idea me thinks and ofcourse that someone should be nintendo
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Mexicanese on March 14, 2003, 12:34:37 PM
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Apparently many financial experts believe Microsoft could lose close to $2 billion on XBox Live by the end of this year. I don't see how this investment by Microsoft is even close to worth it. Then again, they are pretty secure in the money department over at Microsoft Headquarters.





I heard my teacher say Bill Gates had $forty something billion and now has $thirty something billion.  I would tell you more, but I wasn't paying that much attention.

I hate that ****er, I think he should die along with Saddam Sudane.  That's the only reason I'm anti-Xbox.

Sorry, I probably should'nt say that.  But im 13, I cant control my anger.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: AERO on March 14, 2003, 04:42:36 PM
Last I knew he had $41 billion, and thats down from the bad economy, and becuase of the bill and linda gates foundation. Let me check forbes....

*edit*

Its 40.7 billion, close enough.

http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/2003/LIR.jhtml?passListId=10&passYear=2003&passListType=Person&uniqueId=BH69&datatype=Person
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 15, 2003, 03:24:48 AM
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I hate that ****er, I think he should die along with Saddam Sudane. That's the only reason I'm anti-Xbox.


your post makes me sick.
How the hell can you be so ignorant at such a young age?

Do you even have a basis for your opinion?
How can you compare Bill gates and saddam hussien?

if you are the future of your country god bless us all.
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 15, 2003, 04:04:16 AM
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Well, we all know that online gaming is crap, but that's only us die-hard fanboys.


Die hard as in having a very bad computer?
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Caster13 on March 15, 2003, 12:43:55 PM
The reason I stay away from online games that require a monthly fee is because I think that, in terms of gameplay, the monthly fee is not worth it.

Yes, the fees does keep the servers online and active 24/7 and so on. But if I'm going to be paying a monthly fee, I expect more than just a server I can log into and play but also improvements or additions to the gameplay as time passes. Most games do not have anything like that however. Look at PSO. It's still the same game now as it was when it first came out, there have been no regular monthly additional gameplay elements to it.

It's just like playing the single player game, except more people are in it for some reason. But that's not to say PSO isn't a fun game, I really loved it actually when I played 4 split screen with my friends.
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Post by: Darc Requiem on March 15, 2003, 12:58:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Mexicanese
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Apparently many financial experts believe Microsoft could lose close to $2 billion on XBox Live by the end of this year. I don't see how this investment by Microsoft is even close to worth it. Then again, they are pretty secure in the money department over at Microsoft Headquarters.





I heard my teacher say Bill Gates had $forty something billion and now has $thirty something billion.  I would tell you more, but I wasn't paying that much attention.

I hate that ****er, I think he should die along with Saddam Sudane.  That's the only reason I'm anti-Xbox.

Sorry, I probably should'nt say that.  But im 13, I cant control my anger.


Bill Gates and Saddam Hussien.....you've got to be kidding me. I don't hate  Bill Gates, I mean the guy clawed his way to the top and made a ton of money, I hope I can do the same some day. That said I don't like MS, I don't like the fact that if anyone else including Sony where running a division with losses like MS is on X-box they'd be belly up by now. To my knowledge Bill Gates doesn't torture, kill, or maim MS employees....last time I checked Saddam Hussien does do these things to his own people. Not a fair comparison at all. I know you have a dislike for Bill Gates....but come on man.

Darc Requiem
Title: Gamecube Internet
Post by: Caster13 on March 15, 2003, 01:05:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
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Bill Gates and Saddam Hussien.....you've got to be kidding me. I don't hate  Bill Gates, I mean the guy clawed his way to the top and made a ton of money, I hope I can do the same some day. That said I don't like MS, I don't like the fact that if anyone else including Sony where running a division with losses like MS is on X-box they'd be belly up by now. To my knowledge Bill Gates doesn't torture, kill, or maim MS employees....last time I checked Saddam Hussien does do these things to his own people. Not a fair comparison at all. I know you have a dislike for Bill Gates....but come on man.

Darc Requiem


Agreed. Bill Gates was an extremely shrewd business man. I've got to give him kudos from being a mere geek to a tycoon, but now Microsoft is just a giant greedy squid that'll pull in anything it can get its hands on.

Hussien... Uhm... He'just bad. No need to invade Iraq all over again though.
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Post by: snorgasmo on March 16, 2003, 01:13:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Zschokke24
What about this new keyboard coming to the states? It looks like id much rather have the ASCII keyboard cuz of the controller on the sides. this one doesnt have anything on the sides. so does that mean u hafta put down your controler to type? that would be dumb


hehe this is funny.. and i don't mean this as a flame, but uhh.. do you intend to type with your thumbs with the ascii keyboard controller combo? you'll hafta put that down to type on it too.. hehehehahdas