Post by: Terranigma Freak on November 29, 2006, 02:35:21 AM
I wish the screen shots were clearer and larger. It still looks pretty nice... I think.
From IGN
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November 29, 2006 - Say goodbye to Heroes and hello to No More Heroes. Only in a world where something named Wii is the hot toy for Christmas could that sentence actually make sense.
The mysterious game that has been known for most of this year as Heroes now has a new name. The latest issue of Famitsu reveals that the all original Wii adventure game is now known as No More Heroes.
Heroes or No More Heroes, this game has gotten much of its hype due to its development background. Although Spike is set to publish the game in Japan, the title is being developed by Grasshopper Manufacturer and directed by Goichi Suda. You may remember these names from Capcom's stylish Killer 7. Other talent includes Shigeto Koyama, of Eureka Seven and Top wo Nerae 2! fame, who's in charge of weapon and vehicle design, and character designer Yusuke Kozaki, known for his work on Speed Grapher.
Famitsu has first details on the game. In No More Heroes, you play as Travis Touchdown, a geek who wins a Beam Katana (a weapon that resembles a Light Saber) through an online auction and uses the weapon to start a new career as a professional killer. One day, an assassin named Helter Skelter appears before Travis and the two face off in a battle. Travis emerges victorious and finds himself in the presence of Silvia Christel, a French chick who claims to be an agent with the UAA (we're not entirely sure, but this appears to stand for United Assassins Association). Silvia gives Travis official rank of 11 in the organization.
No More Heroes takes place in the city of Santa Destroy, which is designed to look like a big city in the Western United States. You're free to explore the town to your liking, taking on missions large and small to collect money and purchase new weapons, although the game's storyline progresses only when you take on big killing jobs from the UAA. Your day begins in your motel room, where you change your clothes and get ready for a day out on the town. You can walk around town if you like, or you can speed around on your futuristic Schpeltiger motor bike.
Travis's clothing has special signifinace in the game. Travis is a big anime geek, so his shirts tend to sport anime-style witch characters. You'll also find wrestler and fighter designs. Grasshopper drafted Okama, the character designer for the opening of the recent Japanese television hit Densha Otoko, to create over 100 t-shirt designs.
T-shirts aside, No More Heroes is all about using your Beam Katana to defeat enemies. When fighting, you position the Wiimote facing up, centered, or facing down in order to move Travis into one of three fighting positions. To perform standard attacks, you repeatedly press the A button.
The game makes more direct use of the controller in some situations. When performing finishing moves, you're required to swing the controller in accordance with on-screen prompts. You're also required to shake the controller to power up your Beam Katana's energy meter.
In addition to basic foes, you'll also find bigger rivals. Travis wants to be the number one killer, and in order to do that, he'll have to defeat the remaining ten killers that rank above him. Only one rival has been introduced so far. Shinobu wears a short school girl outfit and attends Santa Destroy high school, but one look at her katana will convince you that she's earned her rank of 8 in the UAA.
No More Heroes is listed in Famitsu as being just 35% complete, but with a Japanese release due for Summer 2007. Suda hopes to sell one million copies of the game worldwide, suggesting that an international version is in planning.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2006, 03:09:12 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 03:27:25 AM
Then again, they didn't change Kevin Smith's name in Killer7, but supposedly they didn't know of the director/actor named Kevin Smith at the time.
What kind of a city name is "Santa Destroy"? o_0
Post by: Caliban on November 29, 2006, 03:30:14 AM
In the beginning, Killer7 was incredulous too.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2006, 03:47:55 AM
St. Nick is the ultimate boss of the game!
Post by: utarefsoN on November 29, 2006, 05:38:15 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 29, 2006, 05:40:37 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2006, 05:43:33 AM
2008 is completely empty and made of phail.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 29, 2006, 05:47:44 AM
Post by: Pale on November 29, 2006, 06:42:53 AM
It reads like the game got canceled and the OP is happy about it.
Post by: vudu on November 29, 2006, 06:47:09 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 29, 2006, 07:00:53 AM
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Wait, so you have this beam katana... and you swing it by PRESSING A?
Yeah, that's pretty much awful.
Post by: Caliban on November 29, 2006, 07:11:38 AM
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Post by: Smoke39 on November 29, 2006, 07:15:43 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2006, 07:17:29 AM
Hmm....
Post by: ShyGuy on November 29, 2006, 07:34:54 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on November 29, 2006, 08:33:07 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on November 29, 2006, 08:53:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
This topic has a terrible title for those who didn't know about the name change yet.
It reads like the game got canceled and the OP is happy about it.
To quote Travis Touchdown.
"Your shinning armor and fine words won't get you anywhere."
Post by: TrueNerd on November 29, 2006, 09:03:49 AM
Semi-related query: Why aren't there more severely stylized games out there?
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 09:29:20 AM
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This topic has a terrible title for those who didn't know about the name change yet.
It reads like the game got canceled and the OP is happy about it.
To quote Travis Touchdown.Quote
"Your shinning armor and fine words won't get you anywhere."
I'm pretty sure he says "shining", and nothing about using his shins. :P
Speaking of fine words, I wonder if the voice work is going to be improved. Strangely, though, I liked the obnoxious Travis's voice in the original leaked trailer more than in the later officially released trailer which had only minor differences (voice, Helter Skelter's head). Maybe I figured his character is supposed to be overly obnoxious. Helter Skelter's voice could've been better for sure, though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2006, 09:31:39 AM
AUCTION GET!
Post by: Smoke39 on November 29, 2006, 10:20:55 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
Semi-related query: Why aren't there more severely stylized games out there?
Mainstream gets hardons for realism. ):
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2006, 10:27:40 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 29, 2006, 12:32:07 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 29, 2006, 12:47:24 PM
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Post by: Kairon on November 29, 2006, 02:20:39 PM
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Hate the title of this thread. Like the new title of the game. Controls worry me. Still LOVE the visuals.
Semi-related query: Why aren't there more severely stylized games out there?
Because Okami and Killer 7 bombed?
Oh, and because art style is hard to do.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2006, 02:27:29 PM
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...No comments from Bill about the loli characters on his shirts?
It's just loli characters on his shirt...Come back when someone finds out there are lolis in the game (I hope this Shinobu assassin isn't a young girl...
)
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 01:16:41 AM
I hope this Shinobu assassin isn't a young girl...
That name can apply to men and women. I have no doubts they'll have you kill a cute little girl at some point in the game because that has more shock value than just killing cool dudes. Whether you'll kill her by ramming a wooden board with nails in it into the top of her head while she's throwing a morning star at you is anyone's guess.
Post by: JonLeung on November 30, 2006, 01:47:59 AM
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Whether you'll kill her by ramming a wooden board with nails in it into the top of her head while she's throwing a morning star at you is anyone's guess.
If you're referring to Gogo, that weapon is called a "meteor hammer", apparently. Well, I heard or read that somewhere.
That would be too much like Kill Bill, but uncommon weapons and uncommon opponents are cool. In a strictly video game setting, that is. Killing a girl would have more shock value than killing guys, that's true. (A definite M, not a T-rated game.) Until we get desensitized to that sort of violence one day. Next thing you know they'll make a game where you boil a kid's rabbit or microwave some guy's hamster. Then again maybe we don't want to become too desensitized to this...
Stylized games are nice, especially with all the game developers these days trying too hard to be realistic. Visually, Wind Waker is more exciting than Twilight Princess, I'd have to say. But the general populace probably prefers realism which is sad, and that's probably why certain things like anime are either totally loved or totally disregarded and there's not much of a middle ground.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2006, 01:52:11 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I hope this Shinobu assassin isn't a young girl...
That name can apply to men and women.
"Shinobu wears a short school girl outfit"
Now *I* personally wouldn't mind that much if it were a guy, BUT...
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 02:50:52 AM
I know about the hamster but where do you boil a rabbit?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on November 30, 2006, 02:52:09 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Next thing you know they'll make a game where you boil a kid's rabbit or microwave some guy's hamster.
I know about the hamster but where do you boil a rabbit?
In a soup kettle of course!
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 02:58:21 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 05:27:23 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2006, 07:15:59 AM
Post by: Requiem on November 30, 2006, 07:34:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I hope this Shinobu assassin isn't a young girl...
That name can apply to men and women.
"Shinobu wears a short school girl outfit"
Now *I* personally wouldn't mind that much if it were a guy, BUT...
Did you just come out of the closet?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2006, 07:40:34 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on November 30, 2006, 11:29:22 AM
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3155573
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2006, 12:59:42 PM
[Travis] "I LIKE DAAAAAAAT!"
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2006, 01:22:48 PM
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Did you just come out of the closet?
Is my behavior anything new? Nooooo...
Post by: Darkheart on November 30, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
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Did you just come out of the closet?
Is my behavior anything new? Nooooo...
lol and you didnt pick this up from the twilight princess thread where everyone was oogling at link shirtless myself included?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 30, 2006, 06:34:50 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 07:57:20 PM
BTW, does Bill count as shotacon or lolicon?
Post by: Pittbboi on December 01, 2006, 12:54:01 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on December 01, 2006, 03:10:24 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 01, 2006, 03:17:58 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 01, 2006, 03:50:28 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2006, 07:50:40 AM
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 03, 2006, 07:41:02 AM
On another note though, those three random anime witches. I'm rusty on my kanji (See: Can't read it at all heh), anyone mind filling me in one where.what they're form?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 08:31:52 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on December 03, 2006, 10:57:46 AM
http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57769_No_More_Heroes_F939e_resize_122_383lo.jpg
http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57767_No_More_Heroes_F939d_resize_122_321lo.jpg
http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57760_No_More_Heroes_F939c_resize_122_541lo.jpg
http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57753_No_More_Heroes_F939b_resize_122_446lo.jpg
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57747_No_More_Heroes_F939a_resize_122_401lo.jpg
EDIT: Here, copy and paste the links instead.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2006, 01:26:54 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 01:37:11 PM
<3 Shinobu, which is annoying considering she'll have to bite the dust (most likely)...
Post by: Crimm on December 03, 2006, 01:45:08 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on December 03, 2006, 02:29:53 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 03, 2006, 06:31:50 PM
Oh, sh-, that gives me an idea... He's a geek, right? What if he decides to cosplay as his favourite character?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on December 04, 2006, 05:39:23 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2007, 10:06:06 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on March 09, 2007, 10:21:56 AM
This is my first Wii MUST-buy. The fighting looks fun and I love the Kill Bill-esque blood gushing.
I've always loved the style of the game as far as the character designs, but it seems like the game has been overall graphically updated since those early screens. Definitely stylish and pretty. Something about the style of the game (or at least the trailer) reminds me of Cowboy Bebop, though I have absolutely no idea why.
I'm really intrigued by this Shinobu character (obviously). I'm obsessed with her character design.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2007, 10:23:30 AM
CUT PEOPLE IN HALF
Post by: Taija-Herbal on March 09, 2007, 11:12:49 AM
It definitely appears like its being graphically upgraded........ Really wanna see how wiimote is implemented....
Definitely gonna get it!
Post by: Rhoq on March 09, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 01:47:44 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2007, 02:21:47 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 02:25:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi This is my first Wii MUST-buy. The fighting looks fun and I love the Kill Bill-esque blood gushing.
Hype-inducing enough for you?
Post by: Mario on March 09, 2007, 02:31:40 PM
Post by: Viewtiful mario on March 09, 2007, 03:07:26 PM
Is it me or are thoes loading screens awsome, it just shifts to what looks like a handrown picture of what was shown before the loading screen came up and the words "loading" get printed all over the picture. That's the first time I've been impressed with a loading screen it terms of vsual presentation. Way to go Suda!
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
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Is it me or are thoes loading screens awsome, it just shifts to what looks like a handrown picture of what was shown before the loading screen came up and the words "loading" get printed all over the picture. That's the first time I've been impressed with a loading screen it terms of vsual presentation. Way to go Suda!
You didn't play Halo?
*ducks*
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Pittbboi on March 09, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Pittbboi This is my first Wii MUST-buy. The fighting looks fun and I love the Kill Bill-esque blood gushing.
Hype-inducing enough for you?
HECK yeah. Wii needs more games like this: intriguing, mature and original concept, seems to be doing interesting things with the controls, visual flair...I mean, it's no Halo in regards to hype-inducing, but it's pretty damn close. Maybe this title will light a fire under the other 3rd parties.
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 04:41:46 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 09, 2007, 04:47:16 PM
Post by: Viewtiful mario on March 09, 2007, 04:49:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Viewtiful mario
Is it me or are thoes loading screens awsome, it just shifts to what looks like a handrown picture of what was shown before the loading screen came up and the words "loading" get printed all over the picture. That's the first time I've been impressed with a loading screen it terms of vsual presentation. Way to go Suda!
You didn't play Halo?
*ducks*
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
HU?
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 05:01:57 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2007, 05:04:11 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 09, 2007, 07:33:52 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 09, 2007, 07:34:01 PM
Some scenes remind me of GTA3, the art style seems inspired by the GTA 3 box art.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 09, 2007, 07:47:51 PM
Suda51 has an excellent sense of style, and he knows how to make it flow. Some people try a style like that, but it's stilted or forced. His just works.
The loading screen is awesome. The visual style/HUD/interface in general looks really compelling.
I'm really likin' the looks of the white fro'd child (girl?) with the sword. This game is going to be ridiculous and fun.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 09, 2007, 08:04:46 PM
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I'm really likin' the looks of the white fro'd child (girl?) with the sword.
Yeah, Shinobu--high school student by day, elite assassin by night. She's kicking a** in that trailer. I hope she's not just some minor boss character, because everything about her is so interesting.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 09, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
Post by: Smoke39 on March 09, 2007, 09:45:35 PM
Post by: Mario on March 10, 2007, 01:12:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
I agree, Killer 7 was so good that I just can't imagine Suda ever topping it. Looks like this has a great chance though!
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 10, 2007, 09:22:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Yeah, Shinobu--high school student by day, elite assassin by night. She's kicking a** in that trailer. I hope she's not just some minor boss character, because everything about her is so interesting.
Problem is, if Travis is indeed on a quest to kill the top 10 killers in the world and she is one of them, then she'll have to die at some point in the game, unless Travis can somehow force her to concede her place in the top 10.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 10, 2007, 01:53:23 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
FLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAME
You take that back you bastard!
Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
*throws respect for Golden Phoenix in toilet*
*flushes*
It's okay if there are people who didn't like Killer 7. Awesome isn't for everyone.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 10, 2007, 02:44:54 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
*throws respect for Golden Phoenix in toilet*
*flushes*
It's okay if there are people who didn't like Killer 7. Awesome isn't for everyone.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well if awesome is defined as a game that has style over much, if any substance, I'll agree.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 10, 2007, 03:30:41 PM
Sigh...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 10, 2007, 03:38:14 PM
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I haven't finished K7. I own it, liked what I played of it, but just like FE:PoR, I haven't gone back to finish it yet.
Sigh...
And I remember where you last left off, too.
You were in a shooting match against that lady and the one who had the most shots wins.
Post by: Mario on March 10, 2007, 03:41:37 PM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 11, 2007, 11:31:19 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
*throws respect for Golden Phoenix in toilet*
*flushes*
It's okay if there are people who didn't like Killer 7. Awesome isn't for everyone.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well if awesome is defined as a game that has style over much, if any substance, I'll agree.
^Didn't even try to understand the game.
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
It's right before the Destroyman scenes, after the main character gets off his bike and "DESTROYMAN" appears on the ground.
I have very low expectations of this game all because of Killer 7. ::Puts up flame shield::
*throws respect for Golden Phoenix in toilet*
*flushes*
It's okay if there are people who didn't like Killer 7. Awesome isn't for everyone.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well if awesome is defined as a game that has style over much, if any substance, I'll agree.
^Didn't even try to understand the game.
^ Blind fanboi who likes style over substance, controls, design, and playability.
Post by: Kairon on March 11, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 11, 2007, 01:04:39 PM
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^ This looks like fun, can I join in?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ No you can't you blind fanboi person.
Post by: Kairon on March 11, 2007, 01:06:25 PM
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^ This looks like fun, can I join in?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ No you can't you blind fanboi person.
^ Hey! This blind fanboi defended Halo, the GTA series, and Sony's Little Big Planet!!! If I'm blind I don't WANT to know what you guys are!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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^ This looks like fun, can I join in?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ No you can't you blind fanboi person.
^ Hey! This blind fanboi defended Halo, the GTA series, and Sony's Little Big Planet!!! If I'm blind I don't WANT to know what you guys are!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ You are blind because you defend games who have other fanbois worse than Nintendo fanbois!
Post by: Kairon on March 11, 2007, 01:16:57 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
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^ This looks like fun, can I join in?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ No you can't you blind fanboi person.
^ Hey! This blind fanboi defended Halo, the GTA series, and Sony's Little Big Planet!!! If I'm blind I don't WANT to know what you guys are!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ You are blind because you defend games who have other fanbois worse than Nintendo fanbois!
< Confused.
~Carmine "cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 11, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
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^ This looks like fun, can I join in?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ No you can't you blind fanboi person.
^ Hey! This blind fanboi defended Halo, the GTA series, and Sony's Little Big Planet!!! If I'm blind I don't WANT to know what you guys are!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ You are blind because you defend games who have other fanbois worse than Nintendo fanbois!
< Confused.
~Carmine "cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
^ Yeah I thought so! Can't take the heat.
Post by: Mario on March 11, 2007, 02:25:29 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 11, 2007, 05:51:33 PM
It'd be better on Wii, though.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 11, 2007, 06:01:21 PM
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Killer 7 is literature, and it's probably the best on-rails shooter I've ever played.
It'd be better on Wii, though.
Guess what I just did? I read the whole plot summary, so now I don't need to endure the pain it would take to finish it (The story is decent, but frankly seems a bit ridiculous. Not to mention I wouldn't be surprised if the developers were high on something while writing it. Then again Jeff Noon is probably higher when he writes his novels!). I think I got about halfway through before I got tired of poor controls (especially aiming, which I always despise in console games) and the tedious scanning modes that you had to use. But I guess if you like shooting the same enemy, but in different colors each time, be my guest. If I want good literature, I'll read a book!
Post by: Urkel on March 11, 2007, 06:56:34 PM
I wonder if that's when they'll unveil the rumored Project S Snatcher remake...
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 12, 2007, 03:47:20 AM
Says the man with a Harry Potter avatar.
Post by: ryancoke on March 12, 2007, 06:10:26 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 12, 2007, 06:15:10 AM
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"If I want good literature, I'll read a book!"
Says the man with a Harry Potter avatar.
Game, set, match.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2007, 06:50:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 06:55:15 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 08:13:11 AM
Post by: Strell on March 12, 2007, 08:32:39 AM
^^ VV <> <> B A Start
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 12, 2007, 12:27:53 PM
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P.N.03 > Killer7
There are no words...
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P.N.03 > Killer7
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P.N.03 < Killer7
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 04:24:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 12, 2007, 04:53:48 PM
You've basically shown us that you believe an EFFING INTERNET TRAILER particularly one that I didn't encode accurately reflects the quality of the final game, in-person, in-motion.
The newest trailer is pretty sh!tee. Poorly processed, and generally poorly encoded, which is pretty typical by turn-of-the-millenium standards.
Since you're that easy to fool, I can't find you credible, and not many others should either.
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On killer7, congrats on not ever finishing the game. You read the plot summary? Thanks, you just spit on all the "games are art" proponents (there's so many of those wackos around it's not funny anymore) by totally bypassing the visual storytelling and atmosphere of the stages and events.
I see quite a few people here looking forward to No More Heroes, and it's pretty likely they've all finished killer7. It's no wonder you don't "get it," and you probably shouldn't finish killer7 cuz (1) such a straighforward game (on on-rails shooter with some simple adventure puzzles mixed in) is too difficult for you, and (2) you're not going to get it.
You have trouble with analog aiming? Please say you never finished RE4 or Perfect Dark and admit you're just not as practiced and adjusted like the many gamers here. Both are FAR more difficult than killer7; not only do you have to aim and kill 100x more repetitive series of enemies than in killer7, you get to run too (with many more chances of getting yourself killed due to poor positioning and navigating).
Really, given a gaming period from 1998 to 2005, that's a LOT of time to practice analog aiming, from Ocarina of Time, all the way to killer7. It's practically a staple skill (but replaced thanks to Wii).
If you've scored the max # of points at the Gerudo horseback archery game in Ocarina of Time back in the day, raise your hand.
( '3')/
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 12, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
EDIT: I also hope that No More Heroes has as many mature themes in it as Killer7 did. Killer7 was a refreshing break from the multitudes of games that are rated Mature, but aren't actually mature.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:20:02 PM
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Thanks a bunch.
You've basically shown us that you believe an EFFING INTERNET TRAILER particularly one that I didn't encode accurately reflects the quality of the final game, in-person, in-motion.
The newest trailer is pretty sh!tee. Poorly processed, and generally poorly encoded, which is pretty typical by turn-of-the-millenium standards.
Since you're that easy to fool, I can't find you credible, and not many others should either.
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On killer7, congrats on not ever finishing the game. You read the plot summary? Thanks, you just spit on all the "games are art" proponents (there's so many of those wackos around it's not funny anymore) by totally bypassing the visual storytelling and atmosphere of the stages and events.
I see quite a few people here looking forward to No More Heroes, and it's pretty likely they've all finished killer7. It's no wonder you don't "get it," and you probably shouldn't finish killer7 cuz (1) such a straighforward game (on on-rails shooter with some simple adventure puzzles mixed in) is too difficult for you, and (2) you're not going to get it.
You have trouble with analog aiming? Please say you never finished RE4 or Perfect Dark and admit you're just not as practiced and adjusted like the many gamers here. Both are FAR more difficult than killer7; not only do you have to aim and kill 100x more repetitive series of enemies than in killer7, you get to run too (with many more chances of getting yourself killed due to poor positioning and navigating).
Really, given a gaming period from 1998 to 2005, that's a LOT of time to practice analog aiming, from Ocarina of Time, all the way to killer7. It's practically a staple skill (but replaced thanks to Wii).
If you've scored the max # of points at the Gerudo horseback archery game in Ocarina of Time back in the day, raise your hand.
( '3')/
Did I hurt the poor baby's feelings? What a smart ass. I personally don't like Perfect Dark (I have beaten the game) and never have been a fan of RE4, it is a good game but nothing amazing, though I feel it has more depth in its gameplay than Killer 7, whether it be the bosses or pacing. I'm not sure why you have to insult, perhaps it is to make you feel better? Perhaps you should also play some PC games, they put the aiming controls to shame in most console games. What I find most disgusting about yourself, is that you critisize me for looking at trailer that is supposed to REPRESENT the final product, and it did a poor job of it. Could it turn out fine in the end, yes. But still the gameplay looks shabby in the trailer (Clunky animations, poor framerate), and I doubt you have even played it, so you are just as credible as the rest all we have is what is being shown on trailer. Not sure how that makes me less credible, I'm seeing what you are seeing. You can read all you want about games but I've learned you can't go off what sounds great on paper (Fable anyone?).
In regards to aiming, I felt Killer 7s aiming was hurt more by the scanning than anything, which seemed there to make things harder than they should of. Was the game really that hard? Ehhe, not really but I just didn't feel the need to trudge through it, heck I have talked to people who enjoy the game but say it is a "pain" to get through, just that the style and story makes up for it. In fact the only arguments I see about Killer 7 is the style and story, the rest of the game seems glossed over, almost like solid design, puzzles, exploration, variety, etc take a back seat to the unique visual style (well partially unique, because cell shading was used previously). The game felt low budget, and that is never a good sign, and I got the distinct impression that the on-rail design choice was to help mask it.
As far as I can see if you aren't thrilled with the game you are not respected at all, in fact if you have anything negative to say "No More Heroes" even after a poor trailer, that your opinion does not matter even though NO ONE HERE has freaken played the game. All we have to go off is trailers and what is written down via the tidbits of information on the net. Sounds like pure fanboism to me, or IMO an elitist mentality.
"Hey look at me I like this oh so hardcore game Killer 7, if you don't like it, you suck or can't understand it"-----------Face it many people don't like Killer7 for legitimate reasons, as some may not like Zelda: TP for legitimate reasons (though those are in the minority). It has nothing to do with their gaming skills, but design choices that are not everyones cup of tea. You want to know something else? I was probably one of the first to buy Killer 7 because I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO IT even after the reviews, and bought it for full purchase price a week after it came out for GC.
So I'd say my opinion should count for something, I gave the game a chance long before it hit "Hardcore" status for the elites to look down on everyone else who may not like its design or gameplay choices. So back off Pro, your condescending remarks are pathetic and childish. I wanted to know what exactly you guys seem so hyped about No More Heroes and choose to look over some poor programming in the trailer, there wasn't a single comment I could find regarding that, and I would think it would worry some. Studios are not perfect, especially smaller ones, and it is perfectly legitimate to remain a skeptic when the main source of gameplay footage isn't impressive from a technical standpoint. Not to mention Grasshopper hasn't had an experience or quality filled lineup of games.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:22:23 PM
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Professional just said everything I was thinking.
EDIT: I also hope that No More Heroes has as many mature themes in it as Killer7 did. Killer7 was a refreshing break from the multitudes of games that are rated Mature, but aren't actually mature.
I agree in that many games out now are mature without being really "mature". GTA comes to mind, the game, while fun, has some pretty immature themes in it. Then again raunchy, lude, and violent is the "cool" thing, and is preferred when a game is rated mature than something that is truly mature in its storytelling or themes.
Post by: Mario on March 12, 2007, 06:38:28 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:39:43 PM
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I think we need an "immature" rating.
Or rated "FM" for False Maturity.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 12, 2007, 06:42:44 PM
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I wanted to know what exactly you guys seem so hyped about No More Heroes and choose to look over some poor programming in the trailer, there wasn't a single comment I could find regarding that, and I would think it would worry some
I'm not trying to enter into this debate, as I agree with you that from a purely technical standpoint (framerate, animations) the trailer is somewhat lacking. What gets me so excited is the fact that it's one of the first mature games built from the ground up exclusively for the Wii, and despite the technical aspects (things that could be polished before the final product) the game seems to have a lot going for it. The concept is mature and somewhat original, yet doesn't take itself too seriously (much like a Terantino flick--deliciously campy). The game is stylish as all get out, top-notch art direction. I'm obsessed with Shinobu, and so far we're not even sure if she's more than just a 5 second boss character. This is the first game that actually has me interested in how the controls will be implemented; there's no 1:1 swordplay (
), but nothing about what we know about the controls seems tacked on, and I have a feeling that this will be one of the first games that near unanimously gets them right.It may not be the hottest looking game as far as framerate and all that, but everything else about it is pretty darn sexy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 12, 2007, 06:44:54 PM
I think it's more because you waltzed in with a steak in your pocket, wagged it around, and proceeded to bail out the window into a vat of bacon grease!
"What gets me so excited is the fact that it's one of the first mature games built from the ground up exclusively for the Wii"
'Tis a shallow reason to be excited...You get excited because Suda is bloody awesome...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:45:11 PM
Post by: Mario on March 12, 2007, 06:45:41 PM
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I'm not trying to enter into this debate, as I agree with you that from a purely technical standpoint (framerate, animations) the trailer is somewhat lacking.
I think what Pro is getting to is that that's the fault of the actual video capture not the game, and that you can't really tell how the game is technically from it, so there's no point discussing that aspect yet let alone pointing to it as a negative aspect of the game itself.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 06:49:39 PM
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"As far as I can see if you aren't thrilled with the game you are not respected at all..."
I think it's more because you waltzed in with a steak in your pocket, wagged it around, and proceeded to bail out the window into a vat of bacon grease!
Ummmm, I'll admit I've been very critical of games like Killer 7 and this but that is because I am able to gather solid information regarding the game. I don't want fanboi admiration of Killer 7 to get in the way of helping myself make an informed decision, I want to get to the heart of what makes this so special. If it turns out to be a game that is style over substance (at least how I view Killer 7) or another way of putting it, the right gameplay balance, then I want to pass. But if it will be more to my liking in gameplay choices, then I'll definately consider it.
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I'm not trying to enter into this debate, as I agree with you that from a purely technical standpoint (framerate, animations) the trailer is somewhat lacking.
I think what Pro is getting to is that that's the fault of the actual video capture not the game, and that you can't really tell how the game is technically from it, so there's no point discussing that aspect yet let alone pointing to it as a negative aspect of the game itself.
But when that is all you have, you don't have much choice but look at it from that perspective. I'm not sure how Pro knows if it is bad video capture or not, but the point is that none of us know what the game is looking like besides the trailer, bad capturing or not. Still doesn't explain the stiff animations and some other things that I felt were amiss (I'll have to look at it again, but some things looked off).
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 06:59:45 PM
Also, P.N.03 > Killer7 because gameplay > tacked-on graphics and story.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 07:04:07 PM
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I disagree with the statement that Killer7 falls under "games as art". It falls under "games with art" but to be a game AS art it must make better use of the fact that it's a game. Most artistic games are art ducktaped to a game, using cutscenes and other non-interactive ways to implement that art. While Killer7 seems to have nice art to it the game part is silly and feels like it was meant to be something else than it is.
Also, P.N.03 > Killer7 because gameplay > tacked-on graphics and story.
Sorry you just can't comprehend Killer 7 and aren't good enough at games in general. BTW I have never played PN 03, I may check it out!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2007, 07:33:18 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2007, 08:23:21 PM
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BTW I have never played PN 03, I may check it out!
... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHA. Please... please do.... MUAHAHAHAHA
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I may try God of War 2 as well.
Even with gratuitous nekkid nipple shots?
God, this thread DELIVERS.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 12, 2007, 08:52:07 PM
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BTW I have never played PN 03, I may check it out!
... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHA. Please... please do.... MUAHAHAHAHAQuote
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I may try God of War 2 as well.
Even with gratuitous nekkid nipple shots?
God, this thread DELIVERS.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Hey I try out quirky games whenever I can find them, so are hits some are misses for me. I enjoyed God of War even if I thought it was a bit overrated but it definately is one of the better action games out there.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 09:05:07 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 12, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
However, I'm also open to many different styles and approaches, and I think Killer 7 succeeds on a different level than Nintendo games. This could be turned into a movie, sure, but it wouldn't be the same at all. There's something about listening for that laughter and trying to find an invisible enemy, about being caught up in this bizarre, postmodern atmosphere and this twisted story, that just works for me. I think the game is flawed, sure, but I feel it has a proper claim to being an "artistic game", in the true sense of the phrase.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 13, 2007, 07:38:06 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
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Wait what? Since when are trailers that are shown of a game that we don't even know how far along in development it is supposed to show the final product? For all we know, they might have just started programming the gameplay a couple weeks ago.
I would sure hope they haven't started programming the game a couple weeks ago, because I believe it is to be released in summer. Trailers are meant to be a preview of what the final product will resemble, whether it be movies or games, and usually if a game isn't ready to be shown they leave that footage out. My point was that all we have at the moment with the game in action is the trailer, so I think it is perfectly justified to critique what is shown. Hopefully they smooth things out, but I know various games that turned out to resemble the trailers (Red Steel anyone?).
Post by: Arbok on March 13, 2007, 09:29:06 AM
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I'm not sure how Pro knows if it is bad video capture or not...
Considering Professional 666's site, I'm inclined to believe he has a lot of experience with video encoding and can probably spot signs of these different, sometimes lackluster, processes when watching digital movies, much in the same way that someone who fools around with Photoshop a lot can spot the same techniques being used in other's work.
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Hopefully they smooth things out, but I know various games that turned out to resemble the trailers (Red Steel anyone?).
Red Steel looked better in the first trailer shown compared to the final product, which was pretty dissapointing to me... but I don't know why I fell for it considering Ubisoft's track record for messing with screens and other advance looks at games compared with the actual product.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:37:08 AM
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I'm not sure how Pro knows if it is bad video capture or not...
Considering Professional 666's site, I'm inclined to believe he has a lot of experience with video encoding and can probably spot signs of these different, sometimes lackluster, processes when watching digital movies, much in the same way that someone who fools around with Photoshop a lot can spot the same techniques being used in other's work.Quote
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Hopefully they smooth things out, but I know various games that turned out to resemble the trailers (Red Steel anyone?).
Red Steel looked better in the first trailer shown compared to the final product, which was pretty dissapointing to me... but I don't know why I fell for it considering Ubisoft's track record for messing with screens and other advance looks at games compared with the actual product.
If I recall subsequent trailers were pretty accurate, and this trailer for No More Heroes is the newest. Like I said though my complaints weren't only about framerate, but some of the animations don't look right and some things look off. Hopefully things turn out fine, but I still see no reason why it isn't justified to give impressions on what we are seeing, that is how developers learn what or what not to focus. What bothers me though is from looking at Grasshopper's track record, they seem to be hit and miss, with Killer 7 being their standout title, so I fear they could have bitten more off than they could chew technically with what appears to be a GTA esque enviroment, unless Marvelous Interactive and Spike (I have never even heard of them) is providing them with the budget.
Let's say the trailer is poorly encoded, shouldn't that in itself be something to fear about the budgeting and quality control? If your main teaser for the game is flawed in itself, I would think that could leave a bad impression in people's minds who may not have been following what is on paper. When you create a game you want to get the word out about it and try to get as many sales as possible, you can't do that with poorly optimized trailers.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 13, 2007, 10:08:00 AM
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Let's say the trailer is poorly encoded, shouldn't that in itself be something to fear about the budgeting and quality control?
Because it's totally unreasonable to believe that game sites might compress videos on their own for the sake of conserving bandwidth, right?
I got no problem with you juding the trailer, but to conjecture that its encoding is an indication of a low budget is going a bit too far.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 10:13:21 AM
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Let's say the trailer is poorly encoded, shouldn't that in itself be something to fear about the budgeting and quality control?
Because it's totally unreasonable to believe that game sites might compress videos on their own for the sake of conserving bandwidth, right?
I got no problem with you juding the trailer, but to conjecture that its encoding is an indication of a low budget is going a bit too far.
I've watched the trailer on various sites, including IGN which usually does a fair job of providing quality trailers. So why does it seem consistent accross the board (at least from what I've seen)? In fact some of the scenes look smooth (Mainly what appears to be cinematic scenes and in door ones), the framerate problem seems to crop up during the wide open areas such as the beach and when you are riding the motorcycle esque thing.
Post by: Arbok on March 13, 2007, 10:18:36 AM
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I've watched the trailer on various sites, including IGN which usually does a fair job of providing quality trailers. Why does it seem consistent accross the board (at least from what I've seen).
Because they are all being given the same source? The bulk of video content on sites is provided by the external firms themselves, so chances are whoever created the trailer file originally didn't do a good job with the encoding process, if the problem is seen across the board.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
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I've watched the trailer on various sites, including IGN which usually does a fair job of providing quality trailers. Why does it seem consistent accross the board (at least from what I've seen).
Because they are all being given the same source? The bulk of video content on sites is provided by the external firms themselves, so chances are whoever created the trailer file originally didn't do a good job with the encoding process, if the problem is seen across the board.
Isn't that alot of conjecture though? Why can't there be the possibility that the original trailer was poorly put together? Besides like I said some parts seem to run fine, it is just the wide open enviroments that appear to run poorly (especially the brief driving scene).
Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2007, 10:26:37 AM
Post by: odifiend on March 13, 2007, 10:28:25 AM
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The only complaints I've read about P.N.03 is that it's not Devil May Cry.
The only good thing to come out of PN 03 was the idea behind The Mercernaries in RE4. Accroding to Phoenix's complaints, it is a pass. Enemies are very much recycled and even though it is a solid game, it is very much play a play to get through it game. With less novel showdowns and a much more boring and whack story.
DMC3 was the only one I played and I played for about 3 minutes at a friend's house.
Killer7 without getting into spoilers was very different from anything I have ever played. The pre-existing rivals and the power rangers were worth playing the game. I'm excited for No More Heroes because they are using the same art style but are seemingly using a different control style (the one thing about the game I didn't really care for). That makes for a lot of deserved hype.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 10:30:25 AM
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To cut this short we'll just have to wait until a real person can report back to us how it is.
That I can agree with, hopefully the problems I did see in the trailer are not really there in the final product (or near final). I wonder, when exactly someone will get a hands on chance with the game, usually these more independently developed games don't get tried out until close to the release date.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 13, 2007, 12:42:02 PM
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Let's say the trailer is poorly encoded, shouldn't that in itself be something to fear about the budgeting and quality control?
Because it's totally unreasonable to believe that game sites might compress videos on their own for the sake of conserving bandwidth, right?
I got no problem with you juding the trailer, but to conjecture that its encoding is an indication of a low budget is going a bit too far.
I've watched the trailer on various sites, including IGN which usually does a fair job of providing quality trailers. So why does it seem consistent accross the board (at least from what I've seen)? In fact some of the scenes look smooth (Mainly what appears to be cinematic scenes and in door ones), the framerate problem seems to crop up during the wide open areas such as the beach and when you are riding the motorcycle esque thing.
I wasn't arguing about whether the game does or does not have a good, consistent framerate, nor if it was reasonable to judge it by the trailer. I was merely disputing your implication that distributing a suboptimally encoded video necessarily implies a low budget or poor quality control regarding the actual game itself.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 12:48:41 PM
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Let's say the trailer is poorly encoded, shouldn't that in itself be something to fear about the budgeting and quality control?
Because it's totally unreasonable to believe that game sites might compress videos on their own for the sake of conserving bandwidth, right?
I got no problem with you juding the trailer, but to conjecture that its encoding is an indication of a low budget is going a bit too far.
I've watched the trailer on various sites, including IGN which usually does a fair job of providing quality trailers. So why does it seem consistent accross the board (at least from what I've seen)? In fact some of the scenes look smooth (Mainly what appears to be cinematic scenes and in door ones), the framerate problem seems to crop up during the wide open areas such as the beach and when you are riding the motorcycle esque thing.
I wasn't arguing about whether the game does or does not have a good, consistent framerate, nor if it was reasonable to judge it by the trailer. I was merely disputing your implication that distributing a suboptimally encoded video necessarily implies a low budget or poor quality control regarding the actual game itself.
Well perhaps that was a big jump, but I am a bit concerned about if they have the funding to realize what they want. A GTA esque enviroment can't be cheap to put together in a cohesive and optimized package!
Post by: Smoke39 on March 13, 2007, 01:01:51 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2007, 04:31:51 PM
The gameplay in K7 was a neat concept, but it makes for a pretty repetitive experience. The story is excellent, though, and I look forward to NMH because it looks as though we'll see a great deal more GAMEPLAY along with the stellar story and voice acting that Suda tends to bring to the table.
This forum has a ridiculous amount of zealotry. I've had enough of people becoming personally offended when someone dislikes a game or series that they enjoy, and K7 seems to top the list in the godforsaken "games I must defend from any and all negativity" category.
Let it go. Suda is not going to suddenly break his back because someone didn't step up and defend his games, and it certainly isn't necessary to do so via flaming fellow forum members.
Post by: 18 Days on March 13, 2007, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 04:44:29 PM
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I've had enough of people becoming personally offended when someone dislikes a game or series that they enjoy, and K7 seems to top the list in the godforsaken "games I must defend from any and all negativity" category.
What? Personally offended? I'm not seeing any of that here, I'm seeing people defending a game for the strengths they enjoy...Come back when people start posting with a crapload of angry emoticons and exclamation points!
Post by: 18 Days on March 13, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 13, 2007, 04:47:30 PM
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I've had enough of people becoming personally offended when someone dislikes a game or series that they enjoy, and K7 seems to top the list in the godforsaken "games I must defend from any and all negativity" category.
What? Personally offended? I'm not seeing any of that here, I'm seeing people defending a game for the strengths they enjoy...Come back when people start posting with a crapload of angry emoticons and exclamation points!
I think he is talking about when Golden and someone else kept throwing jabs at each other over the game earlier in the thread.
I've honestly seen that happen but backwards (ie, haters of a game will flame those that love it).
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 04:47:39 PM
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Lol sure, whatever Bill.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2007, 06:39:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion What? Personally offended? I'm not seeing any of that here, I'm seeing people defending a game for the strengths they enjoy...Come back when people start posting with a crapload of angry emoticons and exclamation points!
You know you've thrown down "fightin' words" in a situation like this when someone reacts to your comments through insult, and a CONSISTENT trigger on these forums is and always has been Suda's games.
I think there's something else going on here, beyond the simple "strengths they enjoy". I think what we're seeing is something I shall call "Hermit Crabbing".
This phenomenon occurs when someone discovers something which they are the minority in enjoying, much like a hermit crab finds a small empty shell to dwell in. The hermit crab will viciously defend the opening of his/her new home (aka the franchise in question). The power of being a hermit crab stems from the fact that the shell opening is small and therefore easy to defend. In this case, the opening of the shell is synonymous with the lack knowledge other people possess about a given franchise; the crab is quick to capitalize on this lack of knowledge in their arguments, easily defending the opening of the shell from attackers.
However, as the franchise becomes more popular, their like for it fades simply because more people like it and it has become "mainstream". In essence, the shell expands to the point where the hermit crab can no longer feel snug within the niche and must seek another "home" to defend.
Naruto is an excellent example of this. I knew of many people who discovered Naruto back before it made its way outside of Japan and they loved the series, but as it spread to the US and was widely embraced by the anime community, they felt it had "sold out" and was too "mainstream" and they didn't like it anymore, despite the fact that the series itself had not changed, only the amount of people who patronized it.
More than anyone, I can understand the notion of not wanting to be lumped in with a larger group of people when it comes to your likes and opinions, but hermit crabbing finds its roots in the audience member enjoying their feeling of seclusion in their tastes. When the franchise was liked by few, their decision to like it was, in their minds, an act of rebellion, setting them apart from the rest of the herd. In liking Naruto, these people felt as though it made them unique, and when the uniqueness was gone, their ability to enjoy the franchise went with it.
But they had loved Naruto and would defend it from even the slightest negative comment with a level of vehemence typically exhibited by someone when you openly mock their mother.
I see the same stir to action when someone says anything negative about a Suda title. It's easy to spot hermit crabbing because even the very best arguments put forth to defend the franchise pang of insult or some degree of sarcastic anger which will only ever arise when someone has struck a nerve. Grasshopper makes for a great hermit crabbing situation because the games have been met with such a critical backlash that liking them practically IS an act of rebellion.
But I guarantee this: if NMH becomes immensely popular, sells over a million copies and Suda's later projects begin succeeding as a result, we'll start hearing comments about how Suda "sold out" and "lost his touch"(not necessarily from NWR, but all over the internet).
I know hermit crabbing is practically unintentional, but when your arguments degrade into personal insult, it should be noted by the person doing the hermit crabbing that they're doing it.
Yes, I too need to be watched for hermit crabbing. We all do, because, for the past 3-5 years, we were all very likely hermit crabbing for Nintendo.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 06:47:54 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2007, 06:48:30 PM
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I've had enough of people becoming personally offended when someone dislikes a game or series that they enjoy, and K7 seems to top the list in the godforsaken "games I must defend from any and all negativity" category.
What? Personally offended? I'm not seeing any of that here, I'm seeing people defending a game for the strengths they enjoy...Come back when people start posting with a crapload of angry emoticons and exclamation points!
I think he is talking about when Golden and someone else kept throwing jabs at each other over the game earlier in the thread.
I've honestly seen that happen but backwards (ie, haters of a game will flame those that love it).
What?!?! That was all in good fun!
I mean... c'mon... "Awesome isn't for everyone?" That's the sort of thing you'd hear on NeoGAF!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 06:57:51 PM
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I've had enough of people becoming personally offended when someone dislikes a game or series that they enjoy, and K7 seems to top the list in the godforsaken "games I must defend from any and all negativity" category.
What? Personally offended? I'm not seeing any of that here, I'm seeing people defending a game for the strengths they enjoy...Come back when people start posting with a crapload of angry emoticons and exclamation points!
I think he is talking about when Golden and someone else kept throwing jabs at each other over the game earlier in the thread.
I've honestly seen that happen but backwards (ie, haters of a game will flame those that love it).
What?!?! That was all in good fun!
I mean... c'mon... "Awesome isn't for everyone?" That's the sort of thing you'd hear on NeoGAF!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
But it is so true about Elebits though, its awesomeness is huge that it rises well above some people's comprehension!
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 13, 2007, 08:31:26 PM
Looks like I'll have to find something even more obscure to favor
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2007, 08:54:33 PM
Well, that and the fact that it started into a huge filler (I've heard that went on for over 100 episodes) in Japan at about the time it got licensed in the US. Same for Bleach, BTW.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:02:58 PM
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Yeah, now that you mention it Smash Brother, way too many people on here seem to like Killer 7.
Looks like I'll have to find something even more obscure to favor
All you need to do is look at the sales of the game and you can see there are not that many copies in the hands of consumers, not to mention NWR does not really represent the gaming public (which is both a blessing and a curse). On gamefaqs I've checked out the Killer 7 boards and it is pretty dead there.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2007, 02:39:57 AM
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Yeah, now that you mention it Smash Brother, way too many people on here seem to like Killer 7.
Looks like I'll have to find something even more obscure to favor
The whole point is that you SHOULDN'T CARE how many other people enjoy the game, so long as you enjoy it.
There's nothing wrong with liking something and standing up for it. That's not hermit crabbing. You're only hermit crabbing when you cannot allow any criticism of the franchise/developer to pass and resort to insulting the other party for questioning it.
Hermit crabbing is the direct result of people not understanding that they do not need to "defend" their favorite things in life. Golden can drag K7 through the mud and it will have no affect on me or anyone else who likes it. Same goes for SR: she all but completely trashed the game in the review thread but you'll note that I never once insulted her personally in response.
Quote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k Well, that and the fact that it started into a huge filler (I've heard that went on for over 100 episodes) in Japan at about the time it got licensed in the US. Same for Bleach, BTW.
If you want another example: Pokemon. Back in the day (1996-8ish) when it was still a Japanese only franchise, I had friends who downloaded translated roms of the game and loved it, but once it exploded here in the US, they drive to play vanished.
Hermit crabbing happens with music more often than gaming: people find a small band and stick with it, and if it becomes popular, they'll dump it. The phrase "I liked them back before they sold out." probably originated from this very situation.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 14, 2007, 02:47:02 AM
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Yeah, now that you mention it Smash Brother, way too many people on here seem to like Killer 7.
Looks like I'll have to find something even more obscure to favor
All you need to do is look at the sales of the game and you can see there are not that many copies in the hands of consumers, not to mention NWR does not really represent the gaming public (which is both a blessing and a curse). On gamefaqs I've checked out the Killer 7 boards and it is pretty dead there.
You DO realize he was being sarcastic, right? I guess not... =3
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2007, 02:59:39 AM
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You DO realize he was being sarcastic, right? I guess not... =3
I was going to snap at him but I opted for the more civilized approach.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 14, 2007, 03:47:22 AM
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However, as the franchise becomes more popular, their like for it fades simply because more people like it and it has become "mainstream". In essence, the shell expands to the point where the hermit crab can no longer feel snug within the niche and must seek another "home" to defend.
So in your world, hermit crabs don't outgrow their shells; their shells outgrow them? Sorry, but it just seems like a pretty big flaw in the metaphor. You can do better.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2007, 03:55:03 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear So in your world, hermit crabs don't outgrow their shells; their shells outgrow them? Sorry, but it just seems like a pretty big flaw in the metaphor. You can do better.
There are no perfect metaphors, but there's too much scuttling, pinching and hiding being done for anything else I can think of to work.
Post by: ryancoke on March 14, 2007, 04:08:08 AM
S_B, is it a GIANT ENEMY hermit crab?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2007, 04:19:33 AM
And whenever you notice someone using the tactic, we can rightfully call it a crab battle.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 14, 2007, 06:29:09 PM
Also SB, look up "cognitive dissonance".
Post by: Rhoq on April 04, 2007, 07:39:31 AM
No More Heroes will be released in Japan this Summer and probably won't make it outside of Japan until late 2007 or early 2008.
Ah, No More Heroes. This writer, at least, is a little bit excited. So when's it coming? During your address, a June-July release date was mentioned. "I'm looking at releasing the game in Japan sometime this year", he says, "and hopefully either at the end of this year or early next year in Europe and the United States". Ah. Translator error, then. Shame.
Read the full interview HERE
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 04, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2007, 11:36:09 AM
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Naruto is an excellent example of this. I knew of many people who discovered Naruto back before it made its way outside of Japan and they loved the series, but as it spread to the US and was widely embraced by the anime community, they felt it had "sold out" and was too "mainstream" and they didn't like it anymore, despite the fact that the series itself had not changed, only the amount of people who patronized it.
Well, that and the fact that it started into a huge filler (I've heard that went on for over 100 episodes) in Japan at about the time it got licensed in the US. Same for Bleach, BTW.
Bleah at least had a coherent story arc for its filler though. Not as long either.
Now Inyusha... That show went on way way way way way to long. They should have kept the shards in peices much longer.
Edit:
...and Battle Programmer Shirase should have been finished.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 10:04:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 12, 2007, 10:12:58 PM
To what? Dunno! A new trailer, hopefully!
Post by: Dasmos on June 12, 2007, 11:40:37 PM
QuoteCountdowns seem to be the flavour of the month.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
9 Days...
To what? Dunno! A new trailer, hopefully!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 13, 2007, 01:20:22 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 21, 2007, 11:19:19 PM
http://www.mmv.co.jp/special/game/wii/nomoreheroes/
Zero days? wtf? I NEED MY UPDATE
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 22, 2007, 01:19:45 AM
Holly Summers, #6...
Post by: Pittbboi on June 22, 2007, 03:48:43 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 22, 2007, 04:25:44 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 22, 2007, 04:29:53 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 22, 2007, 04:35:22 AM
Director/Scenario: Gouichi Suda
Character Design: Yuusuke Kozaki
Mechanical Design: Shigeto Koyama
Guest Design: okama
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 22, 2007, 07:05:50 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 22, 2007, 08:06:01 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 22, 2007, 09:27:32 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 22, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
Post by: Strell on June 22, 2007, 09:38:20 AM
This is like the VGCats of updates. Once every two weeks, and a tired joke you already made with your friends ages ago.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 22, 2007, 10:42:07 AM
Holly = pure awesome...
Post by: Caliban on June 22, 2007, 01:19:21 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 22, 2007, 01:40:12 PM
/sarrrrcasm
Post by: Pittbboi on June 22, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
Post by: Requiem on June 22, 2007, 04:55:02 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 22, 2007, 05:10:40 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 22, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
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Is that a dude being split in half?!
They showed that in the second trailer. Keep up.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 22, 2007, 06:49:08 PM
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The gayboy in me will always have a soft spot for females who fight in stilettos...
Looks like you're in luck, because from what I can tell from the silhouettes in the character line-up, there is at least one other character wearing stilettos... =)
Post by: ShyGuy on June 22, 2007, 10:12:26 PM
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Post by: Ceric on June 23, 2007, 12:49:17 AM
Post by: Requiem on June 23, 2007, 01:48:39 AM
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Is that a dude being split in half?!
They showed that in the second trailer. Keep up.
Second trailer?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 23, 2007, 03:28:20 AM
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It's not interesting at all, they all look generic. Looking like a big step down from Killer 7 so far, the character design reminds me more of Viewtiful Joe. Looks like Nintendos dumbing down of gaming has effected everyone.
Troll harder.
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Is that a dude being split in half?!
They showed that in the second trailer. Keep up.
Second trailer?
Indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEUDtEN3iE
Post by: Requiem on June 23, 2007, 03:33:36 AM
It has everything: Blood, graphixs, excessive use of "DESTROY"!
Post by: Pittbboi on June 23, 2007, 03:36:45 AM
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It's not interesting at all, they all look generic. Looking like a big step down from Killer 7 so far, the character design reminds me more of Viewtiful Joe. Looks like Nintendos dumbing down of gaming has effected everyone.
Uhhh...you're kidding, right? NMH is shaping up to have some of the most creating art design on the Wii...unless there's a heap of other games featuring katana-wielding school girls with funky afros, Asian army chicks in 6-inch heels and missile launchers for a legs, and Johnny Knoxville-like guys who slice people in half with lightsabers I'm missing...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 23, 2007, 03:49:05 AM
Post by: Mario on June 23, 2007, 04:04:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2007, 05:54:56 AM
7 could possibly be Helter Skelter, but the interesting thing is that there's still one more character to be accounted for even after counting out the 11 assassins...It's also interesting how the three characters on the left seem slightly separated from the rest of the group...Hmmmm...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 24, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
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Nothing you dont see in any of your typical 104214 billion animes
Hilariously enough, I could say the exact same thing about Killer7. So... Troll harder. You're like Ian, only he actually has problems with stuff, and explains them. You're just an asshat who likes to complain about absolutely everything with no reason.
I also find it hilarious that you're blaming "the dumbing down of gaming" on Nintendo, in relation to this game, WHEN NINTENDO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 03:39:13 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 26, 2007, 10:03:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 26, 2007, 12:40:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 27, 2007, 09:12:31 AM
Travis Touchdown - The man with the UAA ranking of #11. He especially loves the Japanimation (yes, it really says that!), "Bizarre Jelly." (I guess this could be "Bizarre Jerry," too...) He is also a professional wrestling fan(!?)
Sylvia Christel - The UAA agent. She is responsible for the UAA organization's "ranking game." This cool woman is an enigma.
Holly Summers - The 6th-ranked UAA member. An assassin who also works as a model...
Post by: anubis6789 on June 27, 2007, 02:28:13 PM
Actually now that I think about it, since this is on the japanese site, then it must be more of a jab at us gaijin, which is cool too.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 28, 2007, 07:56:04 AM
Nice art direction! Sylvia is so hot.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 28, 2007, 08:01:04 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2007, 08:05:06 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2007, 06:00:56 AM
I don't feel like trying to translate this whole thing right now, so here's some tidbits...
~ One of the special moves that Travis will learn involves stabbing the enemy and shaking the Wiimote to send electricity through his body
~ You can reflect bullets with the beam katana
~ If you run out of electricity for your katana, its strength will go down
~ So you can find canisters that will recharge it...or you can shake the Wiimote up and down to achieve the same result
~ Turn the Wiimote sideways to defend against sword strikes
And I think that's all the new info...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 07:31:02 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2007, 07:32:15 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 29, 2007, 07:33:07 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2007, 08:07:29 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 02, 2007, 07:52:24 PM
http://www.g4tv.com/wii/index.html
Just go to videos, then to X-Play, and click the No More Heroes box.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 04, 2007, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2007, 11:59:53 AM
Page 1
Page 2
A new assassin will be appearing in next week's issue! (Naomi, the second assassin from the left in the silhouette lineup...)
Post by: Mashiro on July 12, 2007, 12:00:56 PM
what other game has you taking a dumb to save your progress? Pure awesomeness.
Post by: Smoke39 on July 12, 2007, 12:23:58 PM
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what other game has you taking a dumb to save your progress?
Dead Rising?
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2007, 01:05:02 PM
Post by: Crimm on July 12, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 12, 2007, 03:20:19 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 03, 2007, 04:27:04 AM
New character revealed! Naomi is the mechanic TT will be buying new swords from...Looks like there's quite some variety in the types of blades you can get, including a shadowed-out giant "Buster Sword"-type one...
Overall, the game is really shaping up visually...Still no set release date, unfortunately...
Post by: tiamat1990 on August 03, 2007, 11:31:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Suda needs to find someone to localize this game ASAP.
What do you mean?? Isn't it confirmed for an English release?? I thought it was
Post by: Stogi on August 03, 2007, 11:49:30 PM
P.S. Damn that skirt is hot (in the first scan). I have an Asian fetish (being African and all), but that girl could be a little hotter!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 04, 2007, 05:47:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Suda needs to find someone to localize this game ASAP.
What do you mean?? Isn't it confirmed for an English release?? I thought it was
It wouldn't be hard. Killer7 and No More Heroes use English voice acting in all versions.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 04, 2007, 10:06:34 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 04, 2007, 06:41:27 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 04, 2007, 10:46:41 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 05, 2007, 02:54:19 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 08:52:06 AM
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 02:59:37 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 06, 2007, 12:31:39 PM
Post by: Crimm on August 06, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
With a name like that you don't have to say much else.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2007, 03:27:34 PM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 01, 2007, 03:17:04 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 04:37:26 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 01, 2007, 04:46:32 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 05:25:22 AM
Also that's IMPROVED voice acting? Man . . . what was it before?
Post by: ShyGuy on September 01, 2007, 06:39:11 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 06:40:34 AM
This is another title that I don't know what all the hoopla is about TBH.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 01, 2007, 06:49:48 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 07:10:41 AM
Dun dun dunnnnn!
Post by: Kairon on September 01, 2007, 09:20:46 AM
Post by: Stogi on September 01, 2007, 11:42:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Should I say I'm sorry for not being impressed by 3 second long clips that don't really show much of the game off?
This is another title that I don't know what all the hupla is about TBH.
The hupla (wtf is a hupla?) is derived from how insanely cool this game is. You see, it looks as if it plays like a much better RE4 (as in analog movement; i.e. no tank mode) except with bad guys and bad gals instead of zombies and monsters. Not only that, it has wiimote - saber fighting motion. Oh, and let's not forget the ridiculously cool art style.
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 01:31:32 PM
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Oh, and let's not forget the ridiculously cool art style.
I absolutely hate the art style . . . it's like lazy cell shading.
Edit: I also spelt hoopla wrong haha sorry.
Post by: Caliban on September 01, 2007, 03:56:57 PM
Mashiro doesn't like Killer7, he will not like No More Heroes, and I bet he probably didn't like Contact either.
Post by: Mashiro on September 01, 2007, 04:06:47 PM
To its credit it seems kinda interesting.
Post by: Caliban on September 02, 2007, 12:50:45 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2007, 12:57:36 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 02, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 02:25:17 PM
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I didn't like killer 7 bt no more heroes appears to be of a different genre, in the vain of GTA so I don't see how you can't dislike killer 7 but like no more heroes.
Hahahahaha no. This game is going to be NOTHING like GTA. Oh god... no... just no.
Edit: What I mean to say is... there is no basis to compare this game to GTA. Sure, it's set in a fictional City and you'll probably get to drive around, but there's no indication at all that this game is intended to be a sandbox of any sort.
Post by: Caliban on September 02, 2007, 02:32:09 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 02, 2007, 06:52:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I absolutely hate the art style . . . it's like lazy cell shading.
ITT: People who don't know what stylization is.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2007, 08:16:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Kairon is right, NMH is going to be nothing like GTA, at all.
So it isn't going to be free roam? Because this is what I meant.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2007, 08:17:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: Mashiro
I absolutely hate the art style . . . it's like lazy cell shading.
ITT: People who don't know what stylization is.
Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 08:32:38 PM
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Kairon is right, NMH is going to be nothing like GTA, at all.
So it isn't going to be free roam? Because this is what I meant.
From all I've read and seen you WILL be able to roam the city, but the city will simply be a setting for you to go to certain missions segments I believe. So yes, it'll be free roaming... but it won't be sandbox.
I think.
Maybe it will be? Ooohhh.... just come out already!
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 03, 2007, 04:43:55 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 04:53:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: Mashiro
I absolutely hate the art style . . . it's like lazy cell shading.
ITT: People who don't know what stylization is.
No . . . I know what stylization is.
Does that mean I have to like it? "Oh well normally I would say the game looks bland but because it's their stylization it makes it awesome!". I don't like the art style.
Sorry. =P
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 03, 2007, 08:18:45 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.
Cel-shading is not cruise control for style. It has to be done right. Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, and now No More Heroes are all stylish.
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 09:02:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.
Cel-shading is not cruise control for style. It has to be done right. Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, and now No More Heroes are all stylish.
But who defines what "right" is.
It's all opinion of what looks good and what doesn't and in my eyes Killer7 and No More Heros have a not so appealing stylized look to them to them.
Where as Wind Waker, Jet Grind Radio, and Viewtiful Joe came off visually appealing to me.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 03, 2007, 11:01:04 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2007, 03:10:17 PM
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Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.
Cel-shading is not cruise control for style. It has to be done right. Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, and now No More Heroes are all stylish.
But who defines what "right" is.
It's all opinion of what looks good and what doesn't and in my eyes Killer7 and No More Heros have a not so appealing stylized look to them to them.
Where as Wind Waker, Jet Grind Radio, and Viewtiful Joe came off visually appealing to me.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Define "lazy cel-shading".
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 03:44:06 PM
but that's the "style" and people like it. I don't like it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2007, 04:45:38 PM
Now stop confusing the *over-abundance* of a graphical technique with the amount of effort put into the game's visuals. Wind Waker, VJoe, Jet Radio, look the way they do cuz they have so LITTLE cel-shading to begin with. Whereas killer7's world is pretty much influenced by the technique from top to bottom to create the freakish pop-art look. Killer7 is not trying to convey invidivual cartoon/anime/comic characters on top run-of-the-mill 3D surfaces (or sprites) that the other games are doing. That's something you should've already recognized. Those other games have it easy, they've got the candy-colored visuals people have no problem eating up.
It matters not if you don't like the game's style. I just didn't like your reasoning.
The rest of us here who dig the game fail to mention it's more than the looks that satisfied us. It's the overall atmosphere. You simply haven't HEARD how the game accompanies its visuals, and a bunch of other minor junk that doesn't get conveyed in screenshots and review scores and the like. Hell, a lot of here (years before you showed up?) were on the fence about the game and didn't eat it up until it was $10 at gamestop. Initial attraction wasn't strong, most of the interest was in heresay, and Nintendo wasn't a big help on the 1st-party front at the time. At first it was "eh, it's only $10, why not" (sorta like Katamari after the price drop, but you don't see everyone rooting for those sequels). They openly support killer7 now AFTER having played it thanks to recommendations from manipulators like myself.
I can't speak for GP tho. She played thru a "bad" 20 hours of killer7 yet wouldn't finish a "fetch quest" in an "infinitately" more "playable" "masterpiece" called "Metroid Prime." Does not computer.
Metroid Prime 3 is the easiest, most linear game in the Prime series anyway. It's Malibu Halo Barbie for non-gamers.
Post by: Mario on September 03, 2007, 04:48:43 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 04:57:04 PM
How else could I NOT like the style? I don't like the style because in my eyes it's ugly. It lacks definition. Things have brooding polygons, the colors are bland and lifeless. Things are just filled with gradients. I'm sorry I don't like the art style and that's my reasoning behind it.
One day if I ever come across killer7 and play it I can guarantee I will say the same things I am saying now. Then what? Will you guys stop crying over someone's opinion then?
Or will you just shove down my throat how my not liking of something is wrong still?
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You have not seen Killer 7, until it has been on your TV screen.
I've seen it running in person, it didn't do much to make me change my opinion of the graphics.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 03, 2007, 05:49:28 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 05:58:36 PM
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Wait, so you hate Killer7 and you haven't even played it? =/
I hate the visual style.
I have no interest in playing Killer7 (I can't really say I hate the whole game without playing it now can I?).
Come on try to keep up!
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 04, 2007, 11:11:28 AM
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I haven't played Super Metriod because bad graphics completely ruin the experience for me. I've heard nothing but good things about the game, but I just can't get into it. Nintendo should remake it for DS using pre-rendered 3D graphics (like Donkey Kong Country) because I'd love to try it.
That defeats the purpose of the game being great as it already is. While remaking the game would be neat, but it's one of the few games that doesn't need to be touched at all, and especially the way you want, would completely ruin why the game is perfect already.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 04, 2007, 11:15:37 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 04, 2007, 11:34:09 AM
Super Metroid has the best 2D graphics out of any metroid game hands down
(Yes, better than Fusion AND Zero Mission).Don't ever insult Super Metroid even if it's for some wacky point that you aren't getting across! >.<! Super Metroid = Perfection.
Post by: Stogi on September 04, 2007, 12:34:08 PM
Still nowhere near Mario's tally...........
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
(Be sure to check out the comparison pics a little farther down the page!)
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Massive improvement! =D
(Be sure to check out the comparison pics a little farther down the page!)
I just love block characters and empty terrain.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 11, 2007, 01:28:27 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on September 11, 2007, 02:02:07 PM
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Post by: Caliban on September 11, 2007, 02:06:53 PM
Borg Queen, you've got some loose bolts and screws...it's drillin' time!
The more wierd this game is the better it will be...just like Killer7 bwuahahahahahaha.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2007, 02:11:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
:Looks at own avatar, looks at GP's comment:
Borg Queen, you've got some loose bolts and screws...it's drillin' time!
The more wierd this game is the better it will be...just like Killer7 bwuahahahahahaha.
I seen in one of the pictures he is in a gym, sounds like it isn't becoming more weird but more and more like GTA with the latest picture possibly indicating "fitness" training from GTA.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 02:14:14 PM
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Hey Bill if that's the case you will LOVE this game
Maybe I should have clarified the importance of gameplay and art design... =3
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2007, 02:15:48 PM
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Hey Bill if that's the case you will LOVE this game
Maybe I should have clarified the importance of gameplay and art design... =3
Toon shaded block people is super creative art design!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 02:16:21 PM
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Post by: Kairon on September 11, 2007, 02:23:44 PM
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Cruisn is also brilliant graphically, those pixels are breathtaking, rivaling pretty much anything that has been on the Wii.
I know. I'm still catching my breath.
Post by: Mashiro on September 11, 2007, 02:56:55 PM
The trees look nice. =)
Post by: Caliban on September 12, 2007, 11:58:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
:Looks at own avatar, looks at GP's comment:
Borg Queen, you've got some loose bolts and screws...it's drillin' time!
The more wierd this game is the better it will be...just like Killer7 bwuahahahahahaha.
I seen in one of the pictures he is in a gym, sounds like it isn't becoming more weird but more and more like GTA with the latest picture possibly indicating "fitness" training from GTA.
It's drillin' time...in AMERICA!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 19, 2007, 02:12:59 PM
UbiSoft...February! Yay! =D
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 19, 2007, 05:09:26 PM
(note the N64 controllers)
Post by: Darkheart on September 19, 2007, 05:15:12 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 19, 2007, 09:46:05 PM
No More Heroes = Lunar DS confirmed.
Post by: Stogi on September 20, 2007, 03:22:37 AM
In the new trailer it looked like he charged his sword by masturbating. Did no one else find that really awkward?
Post by: couchmonkey on September 20, 2007, 03:58:54 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 20, 2007, 04:17:49 AM
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Wait a minute....
In the new trailer it looked like he charged his sword by masturbating.
Post by: Stogi on September 20, 2007, 04:38:03 AM
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Post by: Stogi on September 20, 2007, 06:02:44 AM
I have 3 older brother's so my dad probably talked to my oldest then said it was his responsibility to talk to the rest of us (who may or may not have existed at the time). Still, who needs the talk when you have a family full of brothers?
AND YET I STILL DON"T KNOW WTF THE PICTURE IS REFERRING TO! It looks like a retarded hippo.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 20, 2007, 08:12:18 AM
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AND YET I STILL DON"T KNOW WTF THE PICTURE IS REFERRING TO! It looks like a retarded hippo.
...
Wow. Epic fail.
Post by: EasyCure on September 20, 2007, 08:14:43 AM
should we just not tell him? i think that'll be the funnier thing to do
Post by: vudu on September 20, 2007, 08:36:06 AM
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Post by: Stogi on September 20, 2007, 09:00:33 AM
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AND YET I STILL DON"T KNOW WTF THE PICTURE IS REFERRING TO! It looks like a retarded hippo.
...
Wow. Epic fail.
I don't know how not knowing what the hell that was is "epic fail," but to each his own.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 20, 2007, 09:07:23 AM
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AND YET I STILL DON"T KNOW WTF THE PICTURE IS REFERRING TO! It looks like a retarded hippo.
...
Wow. Epic fail.
I don't know how not knowing what the hell that was is "epic fail," but to each his own.
Don't worry about it, this is one of those games where you have an elite cult that talks down to anyone who may not "get" everything about it. I mean they about have too, because it could easily turn out to be a clunky mess, so they must cling to something to rally around.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 20, 2007, 04:24:48 PM
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Don't worry about it, this is one of those games where you have an elite cult that talks down to anyone who may not "get" everything about it. I mean they about have too, because it could easily turn out to be a clunky mess, so they must cling to something to rally around.
Yeah, Pokemon is so totally hardcore underground elite dawg.
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I don't get it either. What does Pokemon have to do with No More Heroes?
Critical thinking time. Look at my post. Read the quote, then look at the picture. Think about the name of the Pokemon.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2007, 04:32:02 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2007, 04:42:15 PM
=3
Post by: EasyCure on September 20, 2007, 05:34:44 PM
if you've followed any NMH in the past you'd know that the shaking of your beam sword is old news, but to be fair you might of been on hiatus when tin discussion came up.
Post by: Darkheart on September 20, 2007, 09:45:16 PM
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25261.html
New game footage of saber combat that isnt 3 seconds of footage HUZZAH. Wow just wow, there is really no blood and fights like Sora from Kingdom Hearts, INSTA-BUY!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 05:07:38 AM
But if the blood HAS been removed, I am going to be very, very angry.
I sent a message to the IGN mailbag, to see if they know anything. Like I said, considering Suda's claims of the game being "more violent than Manhunt 2," if they just completely scrapped the blood, the decapitation, and the cutting in half, it will be incredibly lame.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2007, 05:17:02 AM
Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2007, 05:35:17 AM
Slicing a dude in half was the best part of an earlier trailer. Taking that out changes the whole mood of the game. People exploding into a billion particles is cool, but no where near as mature as decapitation.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2007, 05:42:07 AM
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Post by: EasyCure on September 21, 2007, 06:50:45 AM
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I'm sure Suda didn't just remove the blood on a whim. He's probably fighting robots or something.
But if the blood HAS been removed, I am going to be very, very angry.
I sent a message to the IGN mailbag, to see if they know anything. Like I said, considering Suda's claims of the game being "more violent than Manhunt 2," if they just completely scrapped the blood, the decapitation, and the cutting in half, it will be incredibly lame.
get ready to to be very, very
angry
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 08:43:11 AM
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I am pretty sure the they still get sliced in half with the same blood effects except they explode into money right afterwards. It is hard to tell because Travis is always in the way but there is always a dark spray as well and not just money flying in the air.
It's not hard to tell at all. The blood sprayed ten feet into the air, and marked the ground. It's easy to tell that in the gameplay videos and the new trailer, the blood effects are nowhere to be seen.
EDIT: Hey, the DestroyMan fight is playable at TGS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqO8g33ooRM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2007, 12:25:49 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Honestly, if it turns out they completely got rid of the blood and slicing and dicing in favor of bland, generic particle effects, I may not buy this game until it hits the bargain bins.
There's an atmosphere to this game, which is campy action/sci-fi movies with over-the-top violence, like Versus for instance. Without the blood, it loses personality.
EDIT: Oh goddamn it.
From IGN: "We love the style, including the pixel dust explosions of the enemies after they shatter from existence. It proves you don't need gushing blood to have satisfaction of taking out the bad guys."
Goddamn it Suda. What did you DO?
Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2007, 05:09:04 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2007, 05:49:45 PM
He got rid of the people that were only going to buy it because of the blood, such as yourself...
Post by: Caliban on September 21, 2007, 05:50:44 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2007, 06:06:03 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 10:19:59 PM
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"Goddamn it Suda. What did you DO?"
He got rid of the people that were only going to buy it because of the blood, such as yourself...
Because I said I wasn't going to buy it, right? I explained my reasoning earlier, and compound the fact that the particle explosions are bland and generic, it leaves me very irritated.
Also in the commercial you linked, Travis says "Let the bloodshed begin." Hard to do that if there isn't any blood!
EDIT: Wait! There is a glimmer of hope! I just found out that the demo was specially created for TGS. Maybe they took out the blood for the demo in case there were underage childrens there.
Post by: Mashiro on September 22, 2007, 12:12:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Goddamn it Suda. What did you DO?"
He got rid of the people that were only going to buy it because of the blood, such as yourself...
Yeah now people will only buy it for it's mediocre gameplay and "awesomely" stylized graphics!
Duh . . .
In all seriousness though, the trailer was kinda cool (the over the topness of it all was well done) but . . . I don't like the people disappearing either. I'd rather it be more realistic violence as opposed to wind waker stuff. While it worked well for Wind Waker with exploding enemies, it just seems out of place for NMH.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 22, 2007, 04:16:40 AM
Maybe Suda thought that a Tsunami of blood coming out of enemies did not fit in anymore with what he wanted for the game. Maybe, like Dirk mentioned, since this was a demo made for TGS the blood was removed for the sake of "the children" that played it on the show floor, and given that blood stains are all over the walls in the Destroy Man's battle that might be a possibility. Maybe we are looking at the Japanese version, when the NA version will have the blood back in, considering that the American GCN Killer 7 was the only non-censored version this may be a good possibility as well.
Regardless, I do not care, and even if it turns out to be a "mediocre game with stylized graphics" I will still buy it because a loved K7, and there are some games I play just to experience them, like Seaman, Hotel Dusk, and Killer 7.
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2007, 11:31:27 AM
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Post by: EasyCure on September 23, 2007, 06:16:09 AM
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Besides he's using a lightsaber, which burns the wound when you cut someone.
the japanese are getting the more realistic version confirmed
Post by: Ceric on September 23, 2007, 08:27:15 AM
Though this too is being put out with Marvelous Entertainment on it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 23, 2007, 09:32:10 AM
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Post by: Stogi on September 23, 2007, 07:09:19 PM
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Is that a dude being split in half?!
NO!
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 30, 2007, 09:31:09 PM
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The video kills notions that Travis is a cool badass character
Who the hell had notions like that? We were told straight from the get-go that he was a total loser and an otaku.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 01, 2007, 06:37:53 AM
http://anonym.to/?http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1210818_1407.html
The official site's also updated with more Sylvia for those of you who are into this sort of thing...
http://www.mmv.co.jp/special/game/wii/nomoreheroes/special/index.html
BTW, do you guys think I should turn this into the official No More Heroes thread to keep all the scans and info in the first topic?
Post by: Sessha on October 01, 2007, 06:46:56 AM
Post by: Stogi on October 01, 2007, 07:05:27 AM
Score one for the black people everywhere!
Post by: vudu on October 01, 2007, 07:50:23 AM
Whitey: 7,349,990,431,845
Post by: Stogi on October 01, 2007, 07:57:14 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 01, 2007, 10:24:29 AM
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Super Saiyan Travis is called Dark Side Mode I guess
I like Super Saiyan Travis better...
Post by: Kairon on October 01, 2007, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: EasyCure on October 01, 2007, 02:51:14 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
The video kills notions that Travis is a cool badass character
Who the hell had notions like that? We were told straight from the get-go that he was a total loser and an otaku.
I confess, i'm not following the game that closely.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 01, 2007, 03:30:51 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 01, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
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That's the entire premise of the game dude. >.>
So the premise of the game is to be a loser?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 02, 2007, 11:11:11 AM
Post by: EasyCure on October 02, 2007, 04:22:30 PM
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That's the entire premise of the game dude. >.>
Lol i'm sorry i just remember watching the trailer a long time ago and loving the cheesy dialogue. Then i read about having to masterba... Uh... Shake your light saber to get its power “up” as well as saving your game in the toilet and i just knew it was something i should check out.
On top of that, i've been to broke to afford any new games since Mario Strikers that i've decided on avoiding media of all games i'm interested in (except brawl) so i don't hype myself up and get bummed out when the release day comes and i can't buy it. Sue me
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 14, 2007, 12:41:40 AM
(Oh yes, from what I read, she goes by "Badgirl" and has a mystery ranking...No idea why!)
(The next assassin they will reveal is TATOO, a "panku oyaji" or "old man punk"...Should be interesting!)
Post by: Kairon on November 14, 2007, 06:50:35 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 15, 2007, 03:18:27 PM
And yes, the game looks very nice, regardless of what GP says...
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New screens!
And yes, the game looks very nice, regardless of what GP says...
Look at those blocks fight in those bland, empty environments! Yeah!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on November 15, 2007, 06:48:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 15, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
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You've just described virtually every game this generation!
The sad thing is that you are right.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 30, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 30, 2007, 03:49:12 PM
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On the flip side the game sounds like it is hilarious and does not take itself seriously which I enjoy.
Just like Killer7.
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Didn't therat have a serious hardon for Alien Syndrome? :p
OMG. No More Heroes my favorite game of 2008 CONFIRMED.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2007, 06:46:40 AM
But BLOCK PEOPLE! This game is not for you! =)
Post by: Strell on December 01, 2007, 07:21:14 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 01, 2007, 07:42:48 AM
I think that's the difference between minimalistic and bad. Minimalism knows what it's about.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 01, 2007, 10:12:57 AM
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On the flip side the game sounds like it is hilarious and does not take itself seriously which I enjoy.
Just like Killer7.
Well if it sucking so bad was hilarious, I'll have to agree.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2007, 01:16:34 PM
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Post by: Caliban on December 01, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
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Originally posted by: CalibanQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
On the flip side the game sounds like it is hilarious and does not take itself seriously which I enjoy.
Just like Killer7.
Well if it sucking so bad was hilarious, I'll have to agree.
It depends on the kind of sucking your talking about.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 01, 2007, 03:02:27 PM
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On the flip side the game sounds like it is hilarious and does not take itself seriously which I enjoy.
Just like Killer7.
Well if it sucking so bad was hilarious, I'll have to agree.
Too DEEP for you?
Post by: Mashiro on December 01, 2007, 03:13:52 PM
but I am never too busy to bash No More Heros! =D
<bash>
Crap crap crap. A game of crap. Come one come all! See the game of crap!
</bash>
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2007, 03:57:29 PM
Post by: Caliban on December 02, 2007, 11:48:59 AM
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I've been so busy lately I can barely post anymore . . .
but I am never too busy to bash No More Heros! =D
<bash>
Crap crap crap. A game of crap. Come one come all! See the game of crap!
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You misspelled Heroes by the way.
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 04:03:34 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on December 04, 2007, 09:24:50 AM
You will buy this game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2007, 09:36:21 AM
Travis in the background suggestively holding his lightsaber really sells that one.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 04, 2007, 03:22:59 PM
Also, Death Metal is a buffet of manliness.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 05, 2007, 04:10:28 AM
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He's only #10, so he can't be that cool...
You STFU. Death Metal is manlier than Kenshiro, Zangief, and Mike Haggar combined.
Post by: Stogi on December 05, 2007, 05:43:35 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 05, 2007, 06:26:03 AM
And Travis has a kitten named Jeanne. Instabuy right there.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2007, 11:53:04 AM
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He's only #10, so he can't be that cool...
You STFU. Death Metal is manlier than Kenshiro, Zangief, and Mike Haggar combined.
That's quite a tall order.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 05, 2007, 04:17:13 PM
It'll get murdered in sales if it does. This game needs all the attention it can get, not to be overshadowed by the biggest Wii game ever...
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Post by: Mario on December 07, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
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It's hardly a crucial matter, but after recently playing the European version of No More Heroes - the assassination actioner from Killer 7 creator Suda 51 - we're a bit miffed about the lack of bloody violence. Especially since Suda had always promised the game could be "even more violent than Manhunt 2".
Ah. But that appears to refer to the American version, which features decapitations, ludicrously brilliant fountains of blood and other ultraviolent combat consequences. In Europe, we'll be playing the 'dead bodies turn to black ash' version, which is also released in Japan.
Why? Well, we asked the chaps who showed us the game, from publisher Rising Star Games, if the decision had been influenced by the BBFC's refusal to grant Manhunt 2 a Euro release. "Maybe," was their terse answer. Hmmm.
Great, no blood confirmed in the PAL version of the game. Normally I am against blood in videogames, but anyone who's played Killer 7 will know its a HUGE part of the style in the game, and it looks to be the same in NMH too, so this SUCKS. I was really looking forward to the game too, but there's no way i'm buying a watered down version of it. The publisher should grow some balls, Killer 7 got through just fine, this would easily have too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 07, 2007, 12:51:48 PM
Post by: Caliban on December 07, 2007, 02:50:05 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 07, 2007, 07:57:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I hope the NA version has the option to turn off the blood, I also want to play this game with the stylized blood which looks cool.
Wait what?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2007, 02:34:34 AM
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Post by: Stogi on December 09, 2007, 03:03:07 PM
Post by: EasyCure on December 12, 2007, 11:14:39 AM
i think my medication is screwin with my dreams cuz lately i've had some really weird ones and the one i'm going to share is NMH related.
So in it i'm Travis from the game and i find myself in this weird indian-type palace and im getting in some boss fight, win and a bunch of haram girls come out and start belly dancing for me then outta no where kittens start biting the hell out of my toes (why wasnt i wearing shoes/socks?) and i wake up, startled.. which wakes up my gf next to me. she asks whats wrong and i explain the dream and she has no idea who Travis or NMH is, but she laughs that i dreamt that kittens were biting my toes.
think the weirdness ends there? NO! my toes hurt as if being bitten! then we went back to sleep.
the end
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 11:35:54 AM
Dreams are affected by outside influences, not the other way around... ='D
Post by: EasyCure on December 12, 2007, 12:06:46 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 12:36:59 PM
Post by: Caliban on December 12, 2007, 12:48:57 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
So in it i'm Travis from the game and i find myself in this weird indian-type palace and im getting in some boss fight, win and a bunch of haram girls come out and start belly dancing for me...
Nice. I can't wait to confirm that your dream was true.
Kittens aren't evil. They would never bite your toes. I spider would, but not a kitten, nope.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 12:53:14 PM
Not out of malice, but simply because they know they can get away with it because they're so damn cute.
Post by: Caliban on December 12, 2007, 01:07:35 PM
I've only had kittens either bite each other when they were playing, or when they would be munching on a freshly hunted wild rabbit brought by their mother with their faces covered in fresh blood, or when they would nibble my hands in sign of affection. They are more prone to use their paw claws, at least that's what I think.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 03:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Wait a minute...now that I remember, there is a cute kitten in NMH, hmm interesting
Yes, Travis has a kitten named Jeanne, I believe.
Post by: EasyCure on December 13, 2007, 04:52:04 AM
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Wait a minute...now that I remember, there is a cute kitten in NMH, hmm interesting
Yes, Travis has a kitten named Jeanne, I believe.
the wierdest thing is i havent followed alot of NMH media, so i didnt know about the kitten or if any Harem girls are in the game or not lol
Post by: Caliban on December 13, 2007, 09:04:33 AM
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the wierdest thing is i havent followed alot of NMH media, so i didnt know about the kitten or if any Harem girls are in the game or not lol
we don't know about the harem girls either, but it sure would be a nice surprise. what colour was the kitten in your dream?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 14, 2007, 07:48:15 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 14, 2007, 10:18:43 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 15, 2007, 02:27:27 AM
He's giving me an Egon from Ghostbusters vibe and that's not a bad thing.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 15, 2007, 03:11:44 AM
Post by: EasyCure on December 16, 2007, 03:43:40 AM
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the wierdest thing is i havent followed alot of NMH media, so i didnt know about the kitten or if any Harem girls are in the game or not lol
we don't know about the harem girls either, but it sure would be a nice surprise. what colour was the kitten in your dream?
well there was more than one, the only one i remember rividly was grayish.. well it was more a mix of black and white hair so it gave the gray illusion
Post by: Caliban on December 16, 2007, 12:00:40 PM
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the wierdest thing is i havent followed alot of NMH media, so i didnt know about the kitten or if any Harem girls are in the game or not lol
we don't know about the harem girls either, but it sure would be a nice surprise. what colour was the kitten in your dream?
well there was more than one, the only one i remember rividly was grayish.. well it was more a mix of black and white hair so it gave the gray illusion
Jackpot.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 16, 2007, 05:51:30 PM
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Much better box art than the JP one...
Lies. The Japanese box art is way better. Less bland.
Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2007, 01:23:39 AM
Post by: EasyCure on December 17, 2007, 04:26:55 AM
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the wierdest thing is i havent followed alot of NMH media, so i didnt know about the kitten or if any Harem girls are in the game or not lol
we don't know about the harem girls either, but it sure would be a nice surprise. what colour was the kitten in your dream?
well there was more than one, the only one i remember vividly was grayish.. well it was more a mix of black and white hair so it gave the gray illusion
Jackpot.
huh???
Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2007, 05:01:04 AM
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Post by: Crimm on December 17, 2007, 08:18:48 AM
See: Nintendogs
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 17, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 17, 2007, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 17, 2007, 06:56:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
See: Zelda: Overrated of Time
Or kind of like that game that got 9/9/8/10, oh wait that was Killer 7, silly me.
Post by: Mario on December 17, 2007, 07:09:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 17, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
Also, Area 51?
Post by: EasyCure on December 18, 2007, 12:50:05 AM
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Amazing box
thats by far the filthiest thing i've ever read on this site!
what? oh you meant "box-art" and not box as in her..... oh..
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2007, 02:33:57 AM
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I don't like his "lol tabloid photo" expression, he's much more expressive on the US cover.
I don't like realtime-ish models on box art...It just looks tacky...
Post by: Stogi on December 18, 2007, 03:00:21 AM
Seriously though. I'd take concept art or realtime art as well. And also, the US box is just cleaner all around.
Post by: Crimm on December 18, 2007, 05:25:31 AM
Post by: Crimm on December 18, 2007, 05:25:52 AM
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Travis Touchdown: His thumb is closer to real boobs than anyone who ever buys this game will be!
Post by: EasyCure on December 18, 2007, 07:18:35 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 18, 2007, 12:12:21 PM
Post by: Crimm on December 18, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
Europe: Sex is okay violence hell no
USA: BLOW IT UP! DIE DIE D...boobs? RATED R!
Post by: Caliban on December 18, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 30, 2007, 10:26:58 AM
I hope this is true as Brawl would MURDER this game (and yes, i am well aware of the irony :p).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 30, 2007, 10:29:15 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 30, 2007, 10:30:44 AM
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YOU TALKIN' TO ME?
For some reason, I hit reply before posting anything and the thread accepted it.
But I fixed it
.
Post by: Caliban on December 30, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 04, 2008, 11:17:35 AM
No More Heroes has been officially bumped up to January 22nd. This is a really smart move to get it as far before Brawl as possible.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 04, 2008, 11:20:06 AM
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http://wii.ign.com/articles/843/843635p1.html?RSSwhen2008-01-04_150800&RSSid=843635
No More Heroes has been officially bumped up to January 22nd. This is a really smart move to get it as far before Brawl as possible.
Great to here, though now I'll have to balance between this and Endless Ocean!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 04, 2008, 11:33:29 AM
Even if my interest on the game is not as big as everyone else's I'm happy it will not have intense competition.
With Endless Ocean being the only other big Wii title for January (that I know of), NMH might be January's Killer APP and could do better here than in Japan (from everything I've seen, the game might be more appealing to US audiences than the Japanese audience).
Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2008, 12:05:26 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 04, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
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Oh that's just great. Now I gotta re-arrange some of my gaming budget... hmm.... that's bumped up... this moves there.... *works on excel sheet*
You better keep Endless Ocean on there! I want to play with you in multiplayer.
Post by: Caliban on January 04, 2008, 03:35:26 PM
I just hope it has awesome background music to listen to, just like killer7 had i.e. Vs Black Smiles, Vs Greg Nightmare, The Gatekeeper.
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Great to hear, though now I'll have to balance between this and Endless Ocean!
You fooled me well, I thought you were of the anti-suda51 party. Time to kill the dolphins in Endless Ocean...with a beam katana.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 04, 2008, 05:49:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
You fooled me well, I thought you were of the anti-suda51 party.
He is. You'd think that hating the developer and everything he's ever done would be enough to stop GP from buying a game, but nope!
Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
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You fooled me well, I thought you were of the anti-suda51 party.
He is. You'd think that hating the developer and everything he's ever done would be enough to stop GP from buying a game, but nope!
I'm starting to rub off on her.
Post by: Caliban on January 04, 2008, 06:14:39 PM
Yeah I know, I made no sense...Sod off.
I just read a post from oohboy and remembered how much I like the expression 'Sod off' because of "The Black Adder", and many, many, many other British comedies.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 05, 2008, 01:23:30 PM
Post by: Caliban on January 05, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2008, 03:03:06 PM
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Who knows.
Sylvia's a she and that's enough for me!
Post by: Sessha on January 15, 2008, 06:43:53 AM
It might seem a little soon since it's not even released in America or Europe but this news makes me happy. It seems like a sequel won't depend on how well No More Heroes sells.
Post by: Mario on January 15, 2008, 10:12:45 AM
Also, since when was that Suda and Kojima co-deved game for Xbox 360? Gamespot making up crap again?
Post by: Sessha on January 15, 2008, 11:17:53 AM
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Awesome. Let's make sure it sells well anyway just in case.
Also, since when was that Suda and Kojima co-deved game for Xbox 360? Gamespot making up crap again?
No their supposed to be working on a game together, Project S
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 15, 2008, 11:20:40 AM
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Awesome. Let's make sure it sells well anyway just in case.
Also, since when was that Suda and Kojima co-deved game for Xbox 360? Gamespot making up crap again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_%27S%27
Post by: Mario on January 15, 2008, 12:30:57 PM
Post by: Darkheart on January 15, 2008, 12:31:59 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2008, 12:40:23 PM
Charge up your own Beam Katana!
Post by: TerribleOne on January 16, 2008, 06:48:58 AM
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Goichi Suda, otherwise known as Killer 7 and No More Heroes director Suda 51, claims that third-party titles for the Wii aren't selling in his home land and that only Nintendo is really profiting from its success.
Speaking about the sales of No More Heroes in Japan, he told us, "Whilst the sales weren't as high as I hoped, other titles for Wii aren't selling so well either. Only Nintendo titles are doing well. This isn't just because of the current situation in Japan, as this is happening outside Japan."
He also expressed surprise over the casual audience that has been the primary adopters of the Wii. "Actually I was very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected".
No More Heroes was released in Japan last year to impressive reviews, but failed to set the retail world alight. It's been reported that on its launch day, it took twenty minutes for someone to buy a copy at a signing, and even then it was a journalist from Famitsu.
The Wii title is released in the UK on February 29. Based on NGamer's glowing review, we hope and pray it does better over here.
Look out for our full interview with Suda 51 later this week.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=179648
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 06:49:03 AM
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 16, 2008, 07:55:48 AM
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Must be why RE4 and RE:UC bombed so bad. Or perhaps it is just that his games don't have a very big audience because I believe Killer7 bombed as well.
I'd like to think your being sarcastic, but your probably not.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 08:52:57 AM
The Commercial.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 16, 2008, 08:58:01 AM
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I was right: Ubisoft is advertising the game, thank god.
The Commercial.
Well hopefully it sells well enough to justify the production and release of more traditional 3rd party games.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 16, 2008, 09:04:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I was right: Ubisoft is advertising the game, thank god.
The Commercial.
Travis says "moe" at the beginning...sweet. XD
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2008, 09:17:22 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I was right: Ubisoft is advertising the game, thank god.
The Commercial.
Travis says "moe" at the beginning...sweet. XD
Somewhere, it forgot to say IT'S ON THE FREEAKING WII SYSTEM
Post by: vudu on January 16, 2008, 09:26:29 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 16, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
"Hey, I am going to buy No more heroes!
"Sweet! For what system?"
"...I have no idea. Its bloody and violent...it must be on either the 360 or the PS3!"
"What about Wii?"
"Nah, the Wii's for kids and old people"
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 16, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I was right: Ubisoft is advertising the game, thank god.
The Commercial.
Travis says "moe" at the beginning...sweet. XD
Somewhere, it forgot to say IT'S ON THE FREEAKING WII SYSTEM
The commercial sucked anyway, who introduces a cast that aren't already famous for a video game!? They should stick to a couple of short cinema scenes and a lot of game play with some good music in the background. The should show the potential customer how it is going to look when they are playing. The viewer doesn't give a damn what the name of the characters are in the game, hell 15 seconds after the commercial is over they aren't even going to remember their names.
Post by: vudu on January 16, 2008, 09:33:16 AM
Besides, this "commercial" had a 10 second into just for the Ubisoft logo. It's not the final commercial the way it will air on TV.
Post by: Mario on January 16, 2008, 10:25:49 AM
Suda games have always flopped in Japan because they have terrible taste and can't think for themselves. No More Heroes beat Killer 7 at least.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2008, 10:29:23 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
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I was right: Ubisoft is advertising the game, thank god.
The Commercial.
Travis says "moe" at the beginning...sweet. XD
Somewhere, it forgot to say IT'S ON THE FREEAKING WII SYSTEM
The commercial sucked anyway, who introduces a cast that aren't already famous for a video game!? They should stick to a couple of short cinema scenes and a lot of game play with some good music in the background. The should show the potential customer how it is going to look when they are playing. The viewer doesn't give a damn what the name of the characters are in the game, hell 15 seconds after the commercial is over they aren't even going to remember their names.
Your comment would make sense if not for the fact that names were not given at all.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 16, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
No More Heroes is "traditional"? LOL
Funny I don't recall saying NMH was traditional but that if it sells well 3rd parties may create more traditional games instead of relying on casual games.
Post by: Caliban on January 16, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 16, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
The commercial sucked anyway, who introduces a cast that aren't already famous for a video game!? They should stick to a couple of short cinema scenes and a lot of game play with some good music in the background. The should show the potential customer how it is going to look when they are playing. The viewer doesn't give a damn what the name of the characters are in the game, hell 15 seconds after the commercial is over they aren't even going to remember their names.
The irony here is that they didn't say any of the characters' names in the commercial at all.
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Post by: EasyCure on January 17, 2008, 01:53:30 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
allow myself to introduce... myself.
My name's Riche Cunningham and this is my wife, Oprah!
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 17, 2008, 05:01:32 AM
NGamer Review
Post by: EasyCure on January 17, 2008, 05:40:59 AM
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Post by: Crimm on January 23, 2008, 05:58:02 AM
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I'll have this today, impressions tonight.
My envy is palpable. With every review that comes out I feel more and more anxious.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 23, 2008, 06:06:40 AM
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Post by: matt oz on January 23, 2008, 07:39:36 AM
Why are video game release dates so wildly variable? If I want to buy a DVD, I know I can walk into any store on Tuesday morning and find it. Same thing with CDs. But for video games, if the ship date is Monday, some stores will get them early on Friday, some stores will have them Tuesday after 6pm, some will have them Wednesday after 3pm, some will never get them at all. It's really frustrating.
Anyway, I guess I'll go back to Toys R Us tomorrow to get this game.
Post by: Kairon on January 23, 2008, 07:44:31 AM
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Post by: therat on January 23, 2008, 07:51:05 AM
and, i , bought it today! got the last copy that wasn't preordered.
i just got it cause i love anime and the main dood seems like a cool aholsse. can't wait to lol at it. ill let you guys know what i think of it later.
Post by: Sessha on January 23, 2008, 07:51:33 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 07:57:42 AM
Post by: EasyCure on January 23, 2008, 08:13:47 AM
i want to go home and play it but...but.....
i have to fix my car first! why oh why did my battery die? (hey that rhymed!)
Post by: matt oz on January 23, 2008, 08:31:31 AM
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Well, speak of the devil.
That's not really my issue. That article talks about developers and publishers pushing release dates around to accommodate production delays and the like. My gripe is with: a) the lack of a universal release date for video games (like Tuesday for CDs and DVDs) and b) the unreliability of a release/shipping/whatever date compared with the in-store date, which can vary by as much as five days between game stores, big box retailers, and specialty stores.
If I really wanted this game, I would go to Gamestop, even though I keep telling myself I'll never go back there, due to various issues with their customer service. Since I'm not sure how much I'll like it, considering that I didn't really like Killer 7, I figured I would support a third-party game and buy it with one of my gift cards. Which didn't work.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 23, 2008, 08:48:12 AM
Post by: EasyCure on January 23, 2008, 11:22:02 AM
edit: lol.... "he only looks tought cuz his mom's an ugly b*tch!"
Post by: Caliban on January 23, 2008, 12:51:06 PM
Post by: Djunknown on January 23, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Suda and Co. from Grasshopper take their cues from Killer 7 again by thrusting the player right into the thick of it. Gameplay takes some cues from Zelda, as well as its own original spin. The motion controls are subtle, but not tiring. Grasshopper was right not to go for complete motion control. You do have to pay attention to where your Wiimote is, since their are two stances: High and Low. You'll have to coordinate your attacks accordingly.
The frame rate goes from 60 fps to 30 fps, and sometimes a little below that. Its a shame really, but not too detrimental. Colors are bright and vivid running in progressive scan.
The audio makes good use of Dolby Pro Logic II if you have it, but stereo is fine. And yes, the first time Silvia called my wiimote, I was taken aback how it vibrated, and how she began to talk when I put to my ear. The voice acting so far is over-the-top, but thankfully not so-bad-its-good. Silvia's faux French accent makes it difficult to understand her at times, but there's subtitles if needed.
Its presentation so far will definitely bring a smile or chuckle to gamers who've been around since the pre-NES and NES era. Also, Suda's brand of humor and odd-ball style are front and center, which judging from reactions to Killer 7, will be take it or leave it. Saving on the toilet FTW.
Those waiting this long this already have it, or will get it shortly. As for the rest, rent it first, see if No More Heroes is right for you.
Post by: IceCold on January 23, 2008, 01:37:32 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 01:45:35 PM
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Saving on the toilet FTW.
Dead Rising already did it, unless we actually SEE Travis getting down and dirty with the crapper... O.O
Post by: Kairon on January 23, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
No More Heroes is Awesome.
~Kairon
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 01:51:25 PM
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Saving on the toilet FTW.
Dead Rising already did it, unless we actually SEE Travis getting down and dirty with the crapper... O.O
Yep!
Post by: Rhoq on January 23, 2008, 02:16:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Dear World,
No More Heroes is Awesome.
~Kairon
Dear Kairon,
Yes it is.
~The World
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 02:38:19 PM
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So any opinions from objective individuals that aren't Suda 51 stalkers or thought Killer7 was the greatest game ever? Like someone who may not have liked Killer7 but really enjoy NMH?
Check the reviews. Nearly all of them have been good, if not glowing.
Back when Killer 7 was released reviews were EXTREMELY mixed, you either had fantastic reviews or reviews that deemed K7 as the worst game in existence.
NMH, however, is gathering a lot more support.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 03:20:57 PM
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I searched hard to find it in my city of all places, but I got and and after playing for a few hours I'm so glad. I'm not a Suda51 or Killer Seven fan at all, but I like the way pop culture is being smacked around by this game. This is a game that got a lot of work put into it and doesn't suck. Instant win.
You convinced me to open up my copy.
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 23, 2008, 03:22:48 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on January 23, 2008, 03:49:49 PM
Also, what did Sylvia say in the first two phone calls? My Wii-Remote was on silent by accident, and I forgot to turn it up/couldn't get to the menu when they happened.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
In the first phone call, Sylvia goes on and on, and in the second one she's more brief. Nothing of conseuence, just talking about the upcoming boss battles.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 07:47:16 PM
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So any opinions from objective individuals that aren't Suda 51 stalkers or thought Killer7 was the greatest game ever? Like someone who may not have liked Killer7 but really enjoy NMH?
I never played Killer 7, but I'm enjoying NMH. I will say it could use a bit more polish (camera, slowdown), but it's got style galore, and that's important to me. I keep wishing Miyamoto had had a month or 2 with it to clean it up a bit. That said, I love it, and it gets better the deeper I get. I like that it's a uniquely Wii game- it couldn't be ported without losing a lot of its charm. To me, it feels like a cross between RE4 and Viewtiful Joe.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 23, 2008, 08:08:47 PM
Post by: EasyCure on January 24, 2008, 01:49:26 AM
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So any opinions from objective individuals that aren't Suda 51 stalkers or thought Killer7 was the greatest game ever? Like someone who may not have liked Killer7 but really enjoy NMH?
i dont stalk Suda51 nor do i think Killer7 is the greatest game ever made. I played it for about 10 mins and just wasnt ever compelled to play it again. hell i forgot i had it at one point.
Also im not really liking Contact either.. im glad i picked both up used for dirt cheap.
NMH on the other hand.. great stuff. Sure its not perfect but its entertained me non stop since i popped the sucker in. if i didnt have to finish Mario Galaxy, NMH would probably be glued in there for some time now
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Post by: therat on January 24, 2008, 04:38:07 AM
Post by: matt oz on January 24, 2008, 05:33:12 AM
Thanks a lot, third parties. You either make millions of copies of shovelware or three copies of a good game.
Post by: jakeOSX on January 24, 2008, 05:57:19 AM
two.
only two.
Post by: Ceric on January 24, 2008, 06:49:47 AM
Post by: Rhoq on January 24, 2008, 07:00:49 AM
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Was this published by Atlus? >.<
Ubisoft
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2008, 07:26:01 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2008, 07:54:36 AM
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Roommate beat it at 4:30 am last night. Now we both desperately need sleep.
Holy crap, does your roommate have a life? How long did it take?
It is kind of funny that people have had a hard time finding the game, because around 6pm yesterday I went to my local gamestop and picked it up with no problem.
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2008, 07:59:52 AM
My roommate has been borderline sick all week too. I'm hoping NMH was just the thing to relax him and cfure him of his malady, or the thing to make him finally crash hard and get it out of his system that way.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 24, 2008, 08:15:14 AM
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It is kind of funny that people have had a hard time finding the game, because around 6pm yesterday I went to my local gamestop and picked it up with no problem.
I was out picking up Endless Ocean yesterday(which was a bitch to find too) and out of curiosity I checked on NMH at all of the Gamestops I went to and NO ONE had this game in stock. Definitely crazy. Glad it's getting some attention similar to Z&W, but unlike Capcom, hopefully Ubisoft starts supplying the market with more NMH.
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2008, 08:25:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
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ARGH. Zack & Wiki part II!!!
Well unlike Zack and WIki isn't Ubisoft actually advertising the game?
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2008, 08:41:59 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 24, 2008, 09:09:25 AM
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I can't believe that it's not widescreen, the reviews would have mentioned that and deducted 3 and a half points off the score for it.
The game supports widescreen.
It's just a sad truth that widescreen HDTVs inherently screw up the display of widescreen sources cuz industry manufacturers can't agree on a "standard" set of specs.
It's just a fact that so-called HDTVs poorly handle 50+ years of "standard definition" content. Claiming superior technology without providing a more seamless transition from the previous formats is crap.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
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I have yet to see this supposed advertising...
You don't visit IGN, Gamefaqs and some other websites enough...
Seriously, the game is plastered everywhere on those sites.
Its far more than what Capcom did for Zak and Wiki.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2008, 09:37:01 AM
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I can't believe that it's not widescreen, the reviews would have mentioned that and deducted 3 and a half points off the score for it.
The game supports widescreen.
It's just a sad truth that widescreen HDTVs inherently screw up the display of widescreen sources cuz industry manufacturers can't agree on a "standard" set of specs.
It's just a fact that so-called HDTVs poorly handle 50+ years of "standard definition" content. Claiming superior technology without providing a more seamless transition from the previous formats is crap.
Well I've had no problem running other Wii games that support widescreen.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 24, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I can't believe that it's not widescreen, the reviews would have mentioned that and deducted 3 and a half points off the score for it.
The game supports widescreen.
It's just a sad truth that widescreen HDTVs inherently screw up the display of widescreen sources cuz industry manufacturers can't agree on a "standard" set of specs.
It's just a fact that so-called HDTVs poorly handle 50+ years of "standard definition" content. Claiming superior technology without providing a more seamless transition from the previous formats is crap.
Well I've had no problem running other Wii games that support widescreen.
Then snap some photos and show us what's wrong.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
I.AM.NOT.PART.OF.THE.PROBLEM.
I just bought No More Heroes
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 24, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
It has Suda's weirdness to it, but this time the gameplay is immediately fun AND we get a cutscene right off the bat explaining what's happening.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2008, 01:44:32 AM
Post by: therat on January 25, 2008, 03:08:13 AM
Which setting is harder.... sweet or mild ?
the game can look butt fugly at points, but it made me saw wow on several occasions due to the adult factor.
He did not just do that and say" if i get to number one, will you do me.....once?"
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2008, 03:48:53 AM
Mild = Hard
Bitter = Real Hard?
Post by: therat on January 25, 2008, 04:01:40 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 25, 2008, 04:03:32 AM
Was that available?
Post by: Sessha on January 25, 2008, 04:09:36 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 25, 2008, 04:22:38 AM
I don't have nearly the time to get perfect scores in everything (or even replay games) these days, but I MIGHT try it on Bitter after I beat it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 25, 2008, 11:02:27 AM
Spoilers up through Rankings Fight for #8:
~ Silvia's a bitch...And she's bloody weird when she calls you right before a boss battle...She gets negative points...
~ Naomi, on the other hand...I wish she had more lines, because her little dialogue oozes with character...
~ The answering machine message from BeefHead about the tape with "a man humping a pillow" was bloody brilliant...I couldn't stop laughing... ='D
~ Shinobu has been my favorite battle by far...Except when she raped me with that one 20 second long attack that had her teleporting all around me...That hurt... =(
~ I also found it amusing that she used battojutsu...Being a Rurouni Kenshin fan, that was a nice treat...
~ Oh yeah, and I'm glad that TT didn't kill Shinobu (showing a rare, tasteful side of Suda), but then again, I guess I shouldn't assume that I won't fight her again and kill her later....
I think I'll do an in-depth review of it later...
Post by: that Baby guy on January 25, 2008, 11:30:01 AM
However, after you collect the random things found in dumpsters, the balls, the buried money, and figure out how not to flip your bike over, you'll spend a whole lot less time in the hub city, and more time doing the jobs, missions, and actual stages, and the game immediately gets better. Also, getting the "Dash" ability helps, since you can dash a whole lot faster than you can run.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
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Wait a second, I just watched the newest trailer for No More Heroes and I don't get why you guys are so hyped for it? From what I seen of the gameplay footage it looks like it has a ton of technical issues, especially a horrible framerate, jerky animations, and more, it just didn't look like it played smoothly.
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You've basically shown us that you believe an EFFING INTERNET TRAILER particularly one that I didn't encode accurately reflects the quality of the final game, in-person, in-motion.
The newest trailer is pretty sh!tee. Poorly processed, and generally poorly encoded, which is pretty typical by turn-of-the-millenium standards.
Since you're that easy to fool, I can't find you credible, and not many others should either.
::whistles:: Oh no I just didn't!
ANYWAY. The game is fun, though many of its technical issues bother me along with the overworld. But the boss fights are great.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 25, 2008, 01:25:09 PM
The bosses are still some of the most awesome ever.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2008, 02:27:06 PM
In any case, No More Heroes competes with Geist in the framerate department.
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2008, 05:06:06 PM
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Better that she mentions the technical issues after really playing the game than by watching GooTube. Though I thought she doesn't like video games, especially Suda51's games. Not sure why she bought it. She certainly didn't get a PS3 for its next-gen line-up.
I'm rubbing off on her. &P
Post by: ShyGuy on January 25, 2008, 09:03:43 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2008, 11:54:40 PM
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Better that she mentions the technical issues after really playing the game than by watching GooTube. Though I thought she doesn't like video games, especially Suda51's games. Not sure why she bought it. She certainly didn't get a PS3 for its next-gen line-up.
In any case, No More Heroes competes with Geist in the framerate department.
Don't like video games? That is a riot in itself considering I supported every console since the N64 era, in addition to BUYING games like Killer7 long before it became a cult favorite. In fact I've purchased a myriad of unique games that would be considered far out of the mainstream. Just because someone doesn't bow at the altar of Suda51 doesn't make them any less of gamer than someone who, let's say, doesn't like Twilght Princess or some other game.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 26, 2008, 07:09:54 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 26, 2008, 09:28:20 AM
The battle for #5, oh man...Just brilliant all the way through...From following the blood trails to the field where the body was left, to following the mysterious shadow figure through the tunnel (reminded me of Killer 7), to the buildup with the fight against Letz that ended up with a whole new fight starting (End stage screen pops up out of nowhere!)...Everything about that chapter was amazing...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2008, 11:03:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 26, 2008, 11:25:31 AM
A funny story: When I head towards the Thunder Ryu building from the Job Center, I always end up taking a turn down the same road and it sort of "dead ends" into a triangle-shaped gray parking lot that you can drive through to get to the road on the other side...I keep ****ing crashing there because the fence on the side of the opening pops up right as I'm about to hit it...It's happened like a half-dozen times now, and I can never make up my mind whether to be angry and pitch a fit or just laugh... ='D
Post by: that Baby guy on January 26, 2008, 03:06:01 PM
The story was very good. There's a youtube up of what someone says slowed down, so you can tell what happens there, too. People who have beaten the game may want to search that one out, but there's not much to it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2008, 03:08:59 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 26, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on January 26, 2008, 07:35:05 PM
There's an undocumented technique, or at least, it isn't present in the manual.
You've probably done the trick where you slide around an enemy and time slows down, but it's tough to figure out what it takes to do it. Here's how: You have to block an attack with your sword, and immediately afterwards, move the joystick to the left or right. It's tough to do precisely, but if you just block every attack and jiggle the stick back and forth, you'll pretty much automatically do it on your own.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 27, 2008, 10:50:26 AM
The battle for #4: This one was just...really weird...Probably my least favorite battle so far, but only because I found Harvey annoying...And he laughed too much...He was also probably the easiest battle for me, as I ripped right through him with the Tsubaki MK-II...Oh, and the Phantom of the Opera spoof at the end was classic...
The battle for #3: Ahaha, this one was hilarious...First, when you leave the hotel, you see Jeane walk out the front door with you...I thought it was a glitch at first, but was proven wrong! The second shock was seeing the assassin was...a BAG LADY!? Wow, what a plot twist! But this wasn't so much a fight against Speed Buster as it was against her giant "Hey look, I gots infinite ammo code on!" cannon...Ultimately I was disappointed with this boss fight as well, but only because I fully expected Jeane to help me defeat her, but she disappeared!? Can anyone confirm whether or not there was any purpose to Jeane during the fight? Oh yeah, head to Thunder Ryu's place after the battle for a lovely surprise... ='D
The battle for #2: After such a odd "battle" for #3, we are back to a lovely traditional fight between melee weapons...And what a fight it is, making it my favorite fight so far...I loved the music, and how Bad Girl shakes her hips to it as she walks, and I loved her straight-forward attacks, and I loved her attitude, and I loved her profanity fits whenever you drove her into the ground with a wrestling move or didn't fall for her feint...Talking about that feint, I completely fell for it the first time... =( I totally thought it was activating the next part of the fight, but NUP, INSTANT DEATH! A rather hilarious, yet cheap addition to the fight...It was a sad ending for the fight as well, as I felt that Bad Girl was one of those "traumatic childhood" types that was just looking for attention...Alas, c'est la vie...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2008, 10:56:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 27, 2008, 11:16:12 AM
Thankfully I'll be busy these next two days, so the final battle will have to wait 'til Tuesday night...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 27, 2008, 12:31:32 PM
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I picked this up to support TEH SUDA FITTY WON. Great combat, horrid driving, News at 11.
It's pronounced Suda Five One.
Post by: Caliban on January 27, 2008, 03:59:39 PM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 27, 2008, 07:26:02 PM
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I have one question to make, is there an option to turn off the "real" blood? I'm referring to the North-American version *cough*USA version, since Canada got shafted somehow*/cough*.
No, and there's really no reason I could see for wanting to.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 27, 2008, 08:48:36 PM
Teaser trailer
Intro
Tutorial
VS Death Metal
9th Rank Debriefing
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 27, 2008, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on January 27, 2008, 09:39:05 PM
Also, I was upset about something: You never get to fight any assassins ranked lower than you that have worked their way up. I was really hoping for an extra boss or two this way. The closest thing we get is Henry, which isn't fair, really.
Post by: EasyCure on January 28, 2008, 07:00:50 AM
oh and yeah, jumping into the river is sweet for getting back home since some some of the missions are far off from that save point.. plus the framerate gets so bad you just dont want to drive the bike period lol. its all good though, im still loving this game despite some of its issues. its the most fun i've had playing a new IP in a long time
Post by: Kairon on January 28, 2008, 07:13:40 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 28, 2008, 07:23:41 AM
A few minor dips in framerate here and there, but that's the only bad thing I have to say about this game.
I hope there's a "Boss Rush" mode at the end where you get to fight all of the assassins all over again...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 28, 2008, 07:36:06 AM
Post by: Caliban on January 28, 2008, 08:06:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I have one question to make, is there an option to turn off the "real" blood? I'm referring to the North-American version *cough*USA version, since Canada got shafted somehow*/cough*.
No, and there's really no reason I could see for wanting to.
Aww, I wanted fake blood too.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 28, 2008, 08:29:17 AM
On occasion, I'll eff it up and make the bike jump by accident but that rarely happens.
Master the 90° turn and you won't complain about the driving at all.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2008, 08:29:50 AM
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I hope there's a "Boss Rush" mode at the end where you get to fight all of the assassins all over again...
There isn't, sadly...which is a real shame considering I really want to replay some of these boss fights without having to reload a save... =(
Finally beat the game, and all I can say is that I could not have possibly predicted that ending, and I spent a lot of time thinking about how it would end...End game spoilers: Seriously, everything from the introduction of Jeane onward, the story just gave up, and I say that in as positive a way as possible...A truly WTF ending...And the way they just completely shattered the fourth wall was brilliant..."You're the protagonist! I'm just a cool, handsome foil who happens to be your twin brother!" ='D
I was pleasantly surprised that the final boss (well, not the FINAL final boss) was a female assassin, but I thought it'd be Sylvia, honestly...But it's not like I'm complaining, because Jeane was a fun and intense fight...And I loved the fast forward story bit right before it, especially when TT freaked out...And Henry was also a lot of fun, mainly because it was a straight-forward battle that allowed for plenty of slow-mo dodging...
As a whole, my favorite 3 bosses:
1. Bad Girl
2. Henry
3. Jeane / Shinobu (Okay, this is four bosses, but I can't choose between them... =( )
Post by: therat on January 28, 2008, 09:53:03 AM
the town is HORRIBLE looking. but the game is so damn fun i cant stop playin. what are the sales figures for this (japanesse and american) so far. wonder why it wasnt selling better in japan, prolly has better voice over in japanesse.
you ever get to bang chicks in it?
Post by: therat on January 28, 2008, 09:53:19 AM
the town is HORRIBLE looking. but the game is so damn fun i cant stop playin. what are the sales figures for this (japanesse and american) so far. wonder why it wasnt selling better in japan, prolly has better voice over in japanesse.
you ever get to bang chicks in it?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2008, 10:03:48 AM
The Japanese version of the game is English-voiced with Japanese subtitles, just like Killer7 was...
Post by: Kairon on January 28, 2008, 10:40:17 AM
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"wonder why it wasnt selling better in japan, prolly has better voice over in japanesse."
The Japanese version of the game is English-voiced with Japanese subtitles, just like Killer7 was...
Wow, that's very gutsy... NO Japanese VO? Is this why the game sold... what, 10k, 20k units total?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2008, 07:36:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 10:02:38 PM
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"wonder why it wasnt selling better in japan, prolly has better voice over in japanesse."
The Japanese version of the game is English-voiced with Japanese subtitles, just like Killer7 was...
Wow, that's very gutsy... NO Japanese VO? Is this why the game sold... what, 10k, 20k units total?
No it is because the Japanese don't buy Suda51 games. His kool-aid drinking cult mainly resides in the U.S.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 29, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
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You hold the B button and flick in the OPPOSITE direction you want to turn and you do a quick 90? without issue.
What? No. You tilt the remote in the direction you want to turn, then hit B. Have you really been flicking it all this time?
Post by: Ghisy on January 29, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
Can't wait!!
Post by: anubis6789 on January 29, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
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"wonder why it wasnt selling better in japan, prolly has better voice over in japanesse."
The Japanese version of the game is English-voiced with Japanese subtitles, just like Killer7 was...
Wow, that's very gutsy... NO Japanese VO? Is this why the game sold... what, 10k, 20k units total?
No it is because the Japanese don't buy Suda51 games. His kool-aid drinking cult mainly resides in the U.S.
WHEN DA **** DID WE GET KOOL-AID?
Post by: therat on January 30, 2008, 02:50:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 06:22:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo What? No. You tilt the remote in the direction you want to turn, then hit B. Have you really been flicking it all this time?
Yeah, and it was working so well I thought that's how it's supposed to be done. I thought it was a conscious design choice which took some getting used to but, like all good design choices, it became second nature once you got used to it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 06:31:43 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 30, 2008, 06:34:06 AM
Similar Hair, similar facial structure, varied shirt collection...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 06:44:11 AM
Oh, and some fun and interesting tidbits I caught on my second time through so far...
1) During the end cutscene, Henry says that he and Sylvia got married 10 years ago...But according to her profile on her character art in the game, she's 24...So...they got married when she was FOURTEEN!?
2) Letz Shake's goggles are actually a Virtual Boy! I don't think you can really see it in the cutscene, but he also wears the Virtual Boy controller on his wrist!
3) Right after Henry ganks TT's fight against Letz Shake, TT calls him "F***ing snatcher!," which I find to be a reference to the Konami game, "Snatcher"...Both Henry and the protagonist of Snatcher look pretty similar!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 01:07:35 PM
I personally see it more as Suda bringing K7's sense of style into play...
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 02:37:48 PM
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
Jeane: Do you want this game to get an even higher rating?
Do you want this to be No More Heroes Forever? Duke Nukem FTW
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 31, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
I'm sure there is a connection, just that Suda doesn't want to acknowledge it for the hell of it.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2008, 03:57:10 AM
Now this game could use a little more polish, but I'm having fun with so far. I just became #9 and had to physically confiscate my Wii just so that I could take the time to play NMH.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 31, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
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more like doesn't want to associate the two since K7 was a commercial flop.
Yeah, especially since NMH is a HUGE success all over the world...
*rolls eyes
Post by: Mario on January 31, 2008, 05:42:03 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 31, 2008, 05:43:10 PM
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It's currently #1 on GameFAQs
Not sure I would use Gfaqs as an example, but I have a feeling the game is going to do decent in NA.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2008, 06:38:02 PM
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more like doesn't want to associate the two since K7 was a commercial flop.
Yeah, especially since NMH is a HUGE success all over the world...
*rolls eyes
Say what you want, but if NMH was to fail, I'm sure Suda would want it to do it all on its own, not because K7 left a sour funk in everyones mouth.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 31, 2008, 06:59:20 PM
Post by: Djunknown on February 01, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
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I think it justs adds a new "downed enemy" animation attack...
Yeah I noticed it when I got the Tsubaki Mk-II. Its a shame they don't spell it out for you though, like saying "added to your finishing moves list" or something...
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Regarding Travis and K7, didn't Suda 51 say at one point that NMH had nothing to do with K7?
Suda did an interview in Spain recently saying that he reckoned the relation the same way how the same actor or name stars in a different movie. The interview was linked at Gonintendo a few days back, so look for it if you're really interested. if you think about the Lovikov balls, they seem to relate indirectly to K7. Memory of the child allows you to dash, and who was a child was fast in K7? Hmmm...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 01, 2008, 05:21:56 PM
Not bad, not bad at all! Its already doing better than the JP version, and the strong word of mouth should help it along.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 01, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 01, 2008, 07:53:24 PM
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Speaking of NMH's sales, according to VGchartz the game sold 39,305 copies in its first week of release, placing it at number 15.
Not bad, not bad at all! Its already doing better than the JP version, and the strong word of mouth should help it along.
Kind of like how the strong word of mouth got people to buy Zack and Wiki.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 01, 2008, 09:16:10 PM
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Speaking of NMH's sales, according to VGchartz the game sold 39,305 copies in its first week of release, placing it at number 15.
Not bad, not bad at all! Its already doing better than the JP version, and the strong word of mouth should help it along.
Kind of like how the strong word of mouth got people to buy Zack and Wiki.
The bit of sarcasm would've worked if it wasn't for the fact that even YOU said that Z&W was doing better than expected :p .
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 01, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Speaking of NMH's sales, according to VGchartz the game sold 39,305 copies in its first week of release, placing it at number 15.
Not bad, not bad at all! Its already doing better than the JP version, and the strong word of mouth should help it along.
Kind of like how the strong word of mouth got people to buy Zack and Wiki.
The bit of sarcasm would've worked if it wasn't for the fact that even YOU said that Z&W was doing better than expected :p .
Who said it was sarcasm?
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
Post by: Kairon on February 02, 2008, 12:29:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Instead I got "swimming with sie fishies" and the "i'm holding the universe in my hand and there's this chick behind me with big boobs" game.
I got the first one but am at complete loss as to the... second one...
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
Post by: Kairon on February 02, 2008, 04:14:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 02, 2008, 04:58:02 PM
Post by: Caliban on February 03, 2008, 01:06:05 PM
I've only put one hour into it anyway, but there are a fair good enough reviews on the interwebs that might help you.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2008, 10:11:06 AM
Life in Santa Destroy
Juicy Combat
Post by: Djunknown on February 06, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
Travis goes to the bar in a drunken stupor, vowing revenge. He blocks out/makes up a memory of just going to the bar after having no money to buy games. Christie, hanging out listens in, sees this scrub and decides to help him out...for a fee.
In one of her escapades away from Henry, she sets up the the tourney, as to train Travis for the final showdown. My guess that some of the entrance fee covered the cost to get these loony characters to Santa Destroy, while collecting a fat 'commission.'
Henry gets wind of things during the rank 5 match, and decides to have some fun with Travis. But in the end, Travis goes on, gets his vengeance, but no nookie to show for it. Or did he? He got to first base at the end of the rank 4 fight, but the rest is unclear.. Did I miss something?
Either that, or it was the twisted imagination of Christie's child looking at the picture. I'd rather hope not...
I'd like to the sequel starring Shinobu or Henry. That's as far as I'm willing to guess...
By strange occurrences, Pro had the 666th post. Eerie
Post by: Ghisy on February 06, 2008, 08:40:21 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2008, 09:18:10 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 07, 2008, 02:03:04 AM
Post by: Chiller on February 07, 2008, 12:09:58 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
I've just gotten thorough to rank 7. This game is awesome, the overworld is rather weak though. But anyway I'm pretty sure the guide chick is Mrs. Rank Number 1 herself. But that is just guess.
Yes, the overworld is lackluster, indeed. I was surprised to see a KMFDM reference for the name of one of the stores, however.
Post by: Caliban on February 08, 2008, 03:24:06 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 09, 2008, 09:15:21 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2008, 09:39:49 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 09, 2008, 03:13:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Chiller
a KMFDM reference for the name of one of the stores, however.
wut?
Post by: Darkheart on February 10, 2008, 03:24:44 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Apparently there is not more than one profile for game saves. My cousin wanted to play this last night so I copied my save file to an SD card then created a fresh one for him. Now, if I want to go back to my save file, can both files exist on either the wii flash or the SD card, or do I need a second SD card to move things around?
No there is MULTIPLE saves but they were so retarded in creating this. You have to load up the game and of course you will be on your cousin's save, it will start you off in the hotel. Exit the hotel outside and press the + button. Flip through all the options until you get to Data, then choose load file. Choose YOUR file and voila~!
It seriously is the most unintuitive way to handle a save feature. . . but at least its there.
Post by: therat on February 15, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 15, 2008, 11:32:34 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 15, 2008, 11:42:42 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 15, 2008, 11:52:52 PM
Post by: Caliban on February 15, 2008, 11:56:50 PM
The 3rd boss was hard for me too, but only because I like to slice rather than be patient to dodge her attacks.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 16, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
How do you do the boost? Maybe that'll make it better.
Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2008, 12:14:07 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2008, 06:12:59 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 16, 2008, 10:31:52 AM
Learn to drive. Driving like a good citizen only leads to problems. (http://www.stage6.com/user/JuliusSSV/video/2196181/)
Your driving is really good. How do you turn corners like that? Is there a handbrake I am missing or something? The brakes don't seem to work like that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 16, 2008, 01:21:30 PM
I drift into pedestrians with ease.
The game knows it's a game. Because it's a game, it has no problem possessing hidden shortcuts/techniques that are not revealed to the player.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 16, 2008, 07:06:57 PM
At around top-speed, tilt (turn your wrist) the Wii Remote in the direction you want to make a sharp turn. While in this tilted position, tap the brake/trigger. Every sharp turn you execute, your boost meter is restored to 100%, allowing you infinite boost potential.
I drift into pedestrians with ease.
The game knows it's a game. Because it's a game, it has no problem possessing hidden shortcuts/techniques that are not revealed to the player.
Freaking awesome. Thanks.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 18, 2008, 08:31:05 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Apparently there is not more than one profile for game saves. My cousin wanted to play this last night so I copied my save file to an SD card then created a fresh one for him. Now, if I want to go back to my save file, can both files exist on either the wii flash or the SD card, or do I need a second SD card to move things around?
No there is MULTIPLE saves but they were so retarded in creating this. You have to load up the game and of course you will be on your cousin's save, it will start you off in the hotel. Exit the hotel outside and press the + button. Flip through all the options until you get to Data, then choose load file. Choose YOUR file and voila~!
It seriously is the most unintuitive way to handle a save feature. . . but at least its there.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was confused at the end.
That system is retarded.
Post by: MilkManX on February 18, 2008, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: matt oz on February 25, 2008, 10:55:00 PM
Anyway, I love this game. The style, the action, the bosses. I love the bosses. However, I didn't think the schoolteacher boss had much of a personality, especially compared to the ones that came before and after. My only gripes are: the sameness of all the enemies in the assassination levels, and the repetitiveness of performing the side jobs just so I can make enough money to get to the next mission and buy some new clothes for it.
I recommended this game to my brother. I really hope he buys it. He hasn't really played games since the SNES generation, but he recently got a Wii. I've let him borrow some of my games, but all he really likes is Wii Sports and Guitar Hero. I think if he plays this game, though, he'll love it. How can you not?
Post by: EasyCure on February 26, 2008, 12:35:01 AM
i like spoiler tags sorry
Post by: decoyman on February 26, 2008, 05:48:04 PM
So, at least there's a way to get some clothes for cheap, even if you have to go digging through the trash for them. :D
Post by: matt oz on February 26, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
Matt Oz, I found a bunch of t-shirts by going around and kicking all the dumpsters. And when there wasn't a t-shirt in the dumpster, there was $2,000 for me instead! I think I kicked open every dang dumpster in the city.
So, at least there's a way to get some clothes for cheap, even if you have to go digging through the trash for them. :D
Oh yeah, I've been doing that. I've probably got 30 t-shirts. I wanna buy new jeans and jackets though, but it's like each one is the cost of an entire side job. And it turns out I really suck at the free fight missions, because I can't kill more than 6 guys before getting hit.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 26, 2008, 09:33:20 PM
The camera makes explorer a pain because it doesn't and can't be rotated
Um... Ever try the C button?
However, I didn't think the schoolteacher boss had much of a personality, especially compared to the ones that came before and after.
She's not a schoolteacher. She's 17. =/
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 27, 2008, 12:19:16 AM
The camera makes explorer a pain because it doesn't and can't be rotated
Um... Ever try the C button?
Ya that moves the camera behind you, it doesn't rotate the camera so I can see around corners.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 27, 2008, 01:18:34 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 27, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 27, 2008, 03:41:43 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 27, 2008, 03:45:45 AM
Post by: EasyCure on February 27, 2008, 08:30:37 AM
I thought the D-pad rotated the camera, when allowed.
i like spinning the camera around while travis is performing one of his death strikes. Not only does it look cool but its easy to tell who is around you and what enemy is about to strike, so you know to hold Z before the move animation ends. This is a big help in the free fight missions where you lose if you get hit once.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 27, 2008, 12:45:21 PM
It's not like it's horribly inconvenient to take two seconds to look down an alley and hit C.
when your just driving by 30+ alleys; yes it is.
Pro: I'll check, you could be right, but I though I had checked everything.
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2008, 01:52:37 AM
Tough final boss fight before figuring out how to dodge his/her attacks. The game could've used more backstory. Apparently, we didn't get the free manga that the Japanese got that filled in some of the blanks. Nuts. I would've liked to have it just because it's extra and free.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 28, 2008, 02:56:32 AM
Post by: RABicle on February 28, 2008, 11:52:02 AM
Post by: EasyCure on February 28, 2008, 11:57:06 AM
Beat the game yesterday. Worth every penny. Wii needs more games like it.
Tough final boss fight before figuring out how to dodge his/her attacks. The game could've used more backstory. Apparently, we didn't get the free manga that the Japanese got that filled in some of the blanks. Nuts. I would've liked to have it just because it's extra and free.
know what else comes extra and is free? The Clap... would you want that "just beacause"?
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2008, 09:00:13 PM
What, you wouldn't want a free No More Heroes manga? "Oh, please, please don't give me free stuff!" What's wrong with you?
Post by: IceCold on February 29, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
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I was about to say that this is my favorite new IP of this generation, but it turns out that this is my only non-franchise, non-sequel game for the Wii besides Wii Sports...
What about Red Steel? :(
Post by: ShyGuy on February 29, 2008, 07:28:12 PM
Post by: EasyCure on February 29, 2008, 11:01:46 PM
You're hilarious.
What, you wouldn't want a free No More Heroes manga? "Oh, please, please don't give me free stuff!" What's wrong with you?
:( how come no one ever see's i'll post a joke every now and again? I never once said "you're stupid for wanting something for free" or anything to that effect.
I was simply making a joke because at the time i was sitting at work for my 7th straight hour with no lunch break and extremely bored, and it humoured me. Nothing is wrong with me, i would of loved to have gotten the free manga the japanese got. When i first heard about it them getting the manga over us i felt cheated, because they probably wont buy the game up as much as us we will.
Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
/respect knuckles
You're right about feeling cheated since the Japanese didn't really support the game though. Blame Ubisoft, if anyone. They published the game in the US. They could've translated the manga if they wanted to give us something special but they didn't because they're noobs.
Post by: EasyCure on March 02, 2008, 09:40:24 PM
Lets start a mob and head over to Ubisoft's head offices and show them a thing or two, Travis Touchdown style
Post by: matt oz on March 04, 2008, 06:21:48 PM
I actually went on YouTube to find a slowed-down version of Jeane's speech. Did anyone else do that?
Best quote of the game: Do you want this game to become No More Heroes Forever?
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2008, 02:25:07 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2008, 02:30:10 AM
What has happend to teh Aussie release?It looks like March 13th 2008 is the date according to gamespot.
Post by: Mario on March 05, 2008, 02:41:48 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2008, 02:51:48 AM
Nope it's been delayed another week to the 20th, sighWell at least it isn't a couple months. :)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 05, 2008, 01:12:13 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 05, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
I am having a bit of trouble against Henry on Bitter. Any good strategys.
When he starts his long-ish combo, just block and mash left and right on the control stick.
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 17, 2008, 11:49:00 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 18, 2008, 01:08:35 AM
I know I'm late to the party, but this game is bonerifically awesome. Just beat the first boss and my god is it a satisfying game.
This really is an amazing game. Gawd
Post by: EasyCure on April 18, 2008, 11:58:32 AM
Be sure to do training an Ryu's gym cuz it does help (for your overall health anyway, not sure about the whole sword reach or whatever. Be sure to find those guys balls as well, the jumping attack with the nunchuck (not sure which that is) is really helpfull.. really REALLY helpfull! especially in the one hit missions, just take your time, use that attack to knock them on the ground and use the A button when prompted to finish em off.
Oh and the soundtrack rocks, so if you can buy/download it, do so now
Post by: ShyGuy on April 23, 2008, 05:32:12 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 23, 2008, 05:32:41 PM
Post by: Mario on April 23, 2008, 05:35:07 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2008, 01:23:31 AM
I got stuck stightly below the sidewalk and was stuck for a bit.
Then the audio cutout when I was talking the Blonde girl.
Now I seem to be frozen up on the beach level.
EDIT: Protip, ejecting the disc and putting it back in solved the problem
At the end of the match walking around with the headless corpse was pretty creepy
Post by: blackfootsteps on April 24, 2008, 02:04:54 AM
Post by: EasyCure on April 24, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
that speech in the intro.. <3
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 24, 2008, 05:21:29 PM
Did he ever appear in the final game?
Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 07:13:34 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 07:22:21 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on April 24, 2008, 07:58:54 PM
That's what all the cool games would do.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 27, 2008, 02:40:03 PM
Post by: EasyCure on April 27, 2008, 03:01:55 PM
hope theres a sequel
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 27, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
final upgrade is the shiznit.
hope theres a sequel
God I do to, that game was amazing.
Post by: EasyCure on April 27, 2008, 06:45:15 PM
Post by: Adrock on April 27, 2008, 11:52:06 PM
maybe they can do a story revolving around... you know whoHey, I don't. Do you mean Jeane? Or Henry? Maybe even Dark Star? Was he really Travis' father or was he just messing? I wasn't entirely clear on that point. Dark Star could have always been Travis' real father while the man that raised Travis and Jeane then molested her could have always been their step-father?
Post by: EasyCure on April 28, 2008, 11:17:21 AM
maybe they can do a story revolving around... you know whoHey, I don't. Do you mean Jeane? Or Henry? Maybe even Dark Star? Was he really Travis' father or was he just messing? I wasn't entirely clear on that point. Dark Star could have always been Travis' real father while the man that raised Travis and Jeane then molested her could have always been their step-father?
Actually i meant Henry but a game about Jean would be nothing but HAWTNESS so i'm totally down for that. As for Dark Star i don't really care because all this is getting as confusing as the games ending.. and storyline in general.
or they could just base the prequel on Master Ryu. I mean didnt you wonder why he was trying to defeat that old fat woman (cant think of her name)? I know i did. I thought he was supposed to be a retired mafia member not a "ranked" assassin
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 01, 2008, 10:41:56 PM
oooohhhhh
Post by: Kairon on May 01, 2008, 10:51:41 PM
a game about Jean would be nothing but HAWTNESS so i'm totally down for that.
So much HAWTNESS and it would totally have the benefit of including Sylvia as a matter of necessity... or maybe actually Henry would handle that side of the business?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2008, 07:29:37 AM
And this establishes some really cool innovations, such as showing how lightsaber fighting should be done on the Wii, and that use of the controller as a cellphone is pretty cool. I don't know if any other games have done that, but I hope other developers are looking at this game and taking down notes because I'd like to see alot of these things put into other games.
BTW, how are the total sales figures for it? Can it be considered a smashing success? I seriously hope so, because that means we will probably have a sequel.
Post by: EasyCure on May 02, 2008, 01:04:27 PM
a game about Jean would be nothing but HAWTNESS so i'm totally down for that.
So much HAWTNESS and it would totally have the benefit of including Sylvia as a matter of necessity... or maybe actually Henry would handle that side of the business?
Well if thats what you're into...
Post by: Kairon on May 02, 2008, 01:40:40 PM
BTW, how are the total sales figures for it? Can it be considered a smashing success?
For a Suda51 game? It probably can be called his most successful game in recent history.
After February it was over 100k in the US, according to NPD, maybe it eeked up to 140k with residual sales. Japan I think has it around 35k. Europe supposedly got a lot of copies, but I'm not sure how many sold. The game probably sold more than 200k, but no higher than 300k worldwide? Pure guesstimation on my part.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2008, 08:30:01 AM
I bought my copy in April after Amazon dropped the price. I'm sure that price drop has had to have propelled the game even higher... Plus you have the word of mouth factor.
Post by: Kairon on May 03, 2008, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: chaingunsofdoom on May 03, 2008, 07:14:18 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 04, 2008, 02:17:15 AM
It's a decent performance, nothing spectacular. But it's a probably the highest selling game that Grasshopper studios has ever had, and it's sure to have made them a good deal of money since they must run a really tight ship over there in order to turn out bombs like Killer 7 and still survive.
Should we thank the Wii for this?
Seriously, Killer 7 came out at a time in which the GC was dying, and PS2 players gave a crap about it.
The Wi'si expanded audience (and I am talking about gamers who didn't give Nintendo games a try before) might have helped it reach a crowd it would have lost on the GC or even PS2 or XBOX era.
The game being much better than K7 might also have something to do with it...;)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 19, 2008, 05:44:29 AM
I still need to beat the real ending on Bitter.Sigh.
Post by: White Mage on December 19, 2008, 07:23:24 AM
Post by: Kairon on December 19, 2008, 07:26:46 AM
I still need to actually get the game. :(
I hear that it's only $20 on newegg.com?
Post by: White Mage on December 19, 2008, 07:29:46 AM
I still need to actually get the game. :(
Is that a limited time only thing? Or is it a permanent pricing? Because I might be getting it for Christmas. If I don't, I'll know where to go.
I hear that it's only $20 on newegg.com?
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 19, 2008, 07:49:33 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 19, 2008, 12:16:10 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 19, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
Post by: White Mage on December 19, 2008, 01:14:52 PM
Cheezus Krispe people, No More Heroes has been $20 for over HALF A YEAR ALREADY.
Haha, my bad. It just kind of fell off my radar I guess. Well, if I don't recieve it for Christmas, I know what I'll be getting with any money I receive.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 20, 2008, 01:47:41 PM
Cheezus Krispe people, No More Heroes has been $20 for over HALF A YEAR ALREADY.
And yet, this low price still wasn't enough to entice gamers like Ian into buying it. No wonder 3rd party games are struggling on the Wii; apparently you can't even sell them at blow-out prices!
Post by: ShyGuy on December 20, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 01, 2009, 05:03:38 AM
Finally finished the game this morning. Glad I chose the real ending, the final battle is the best.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 05:13:51 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2009, 05:56:56 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 06:44:42 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2009, 09:44:30 AM
Post by: vudu on January 01, 2009, 12:49:55 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 01, 2009, 12:58:08 PM
Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 01, 2009, 02:03:20 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 01, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
Maybe the Santa Destroy attitude doesn't translate into german...
Well, the violence sure didn't but then again it got censored in all of PAL and Japan...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 04:35:29 PM
BLAH
YOU FOOL, USE INCOGNITO MODE
Post by: ShyGuy on January 01, 2009, 05:02:07 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
I thought about my combat style depending on my mood:
Do I want to defeat the enemies with minimum time/damage? (some quick-kill tactics involve no button mashing)
Do I start the fight with high/low stance? rush attack? etc. (opening attack plus stance affects combo style and finishing waggle)
Do I just wanna WAGGLE? (finish everyone off with WRESTLING MOVES, hell yeah!)
Like preceding poasters implied, tapping-A with one stance all the time will eventually become totally inefficient and get you stuck later in the game. I thought the game ramps up the necessity for combat variety nicely.
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
So, what's was everyone's favorite T-shirt? My favorite was the black one with flames on the bottom.
The golden yellow shirt with the black Luchaco oil face thing.
Post by: EasyCure on January 01, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Thats the ONLY way i play RE4:Wii.
When i wanna make kills with min. effort I use the nunchuk waggle attack followed by A-prompted finishers and top it off with a nice "**** HEAD!" proclimation.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 01, 2009, 09:25:10 PM
BLAH
YOU FOOL, USE INCOGNITO MODE
Sorry about that. Its probably too late now, but I've blotted it out.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 02, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Thats the ONLY way i play RE4:Wii.
When i wanna make kills with min. effort I use the nunchuk waggle attack followed by A-prompted finishers and top it off with a nice "**** HEAD!" proclimation.
In RE4 I preferred the SMGs for that because they had a larger clip, if you don't use them full auto they can be pretty good headshotters too.
Post by: EasyCure on January 02, 2009, 11:01:28 AM
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Thats the ONLY way i play RE4:Wii.
When i wanna make kills with min. effort I use the nunchuk waggle attack followed by A-prompted finishers and top it off with a nice "**** HEAD!" proclimation.
In RE4 I preferred the SMGs for that because they had a larger clip, if you don't use them full auto they can be pretty good headshotters too.
But the thrill of being vulnerable while reloading is half the fun!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 02, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Thats the ONLY way i play RE4:Wii.
When i wanna make kills with min. effort I use the nunchuk waggle attack followed by A-prompted finishers and top it off with a nice "**** HEAD!" proclimation.
In RE4 I preferred the SMGs for that because they had a larger clip, if you don't use them full auto they can be pretty good headshotters too.
But the thrill of being vulnerable while reloading is half the fun!
In RE4 I learned to try to keep all my weapons preloaded before I entered a dangerous area. That way, when I've emptied the clip on one gun I could just switch to another gun and repeat without missing a beat. Yeah it is fun to actually have to reload your weapons in the heat of battle, but I just played it cautious out of instinct.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 02, 2009, 01:42:13 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2009, 01:55:43 PM
NMH waggle finishers are like playing RE4:Wii with just the pistol for the sake of only-head-shots. Guilty pleasures.Things get harder later on and you have to start thinking that way. The first couple levels are pretty easy so you can acclimate to the combat.Yep in the later levels the guys start ganging up on you more.
Thats the ONLY way i play RE4:Wii.
When i wanna make kills with min. effort I use the nunchuk waggle attack followed by A-prompted finishers and top it off with a nice "**** HEAD!" proclimation.
In RE4 I preferred the SMGs for that because they had a larger clip, if you don't use them full auto they can be pretty good headshotters too.
But the thrill of being vulnerable while reloading is half the fun!
Yeah, own or be owned (for lulz and FURIOUS ANGAR).
SUPER QUOTE BOXING HOOOOOOO
Post by: EasyCure on January 03, 2009, 12:58:51 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 04, 2009, 09:15:05 AM
There have been complaints about the driving and I wonder if that is just them realizing that spending time and money on a rather unimportant part of the game compared to the rest is a wise decision. I really would like to know how they work and wonder if other developers should try to emulate a model that can release a good game that doesn't need to be a blockbuster.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 04, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 04, 2009, 01:40:20 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2009, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 05, 2009, 03:04:08 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 05, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
Yeah, Suda51 is apparently not so crazy when it comes to growing his studio. His budget was so much lower versus something like Haze or Lair. He may have only sold 400k copies of NMH (approximate), but I'm sure he made his budget back and started turning a profit.
So basically, Suda51 is the Uwe Boll of the video game development world?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 06, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
Yeah, Suda51 is apparently not so crazy when it comes to growing his studio. His budget was so much lower versus something like Haze or Lair. He may have only sold 400k copies of NMH (approximate), but I'm sure he made his budget back and started turning a profit.
So basically, Suda51 is the Uwe Boll of the video game development world?
I wish I could hate you to death.
Post by: IceCold on January 10, 2009, 03:31:45 AM
EDIT: And please, no one tell me this is intentional as a satire of those types of games. Because we all know that's bullshit.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2009, 04:07:36 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2009, 05:24:24 AM
Just started playing NMH. Is Suda seriously this goddamn immature? The forced swear words, gratuitous toilet humour and general vibe of the game is juvenile in the worst possible way.
EDIT: And please, no one tell me this is intentional as a satire of those types of games. Because we all know that's bull****.
I dunno dude. You can't (and shouldn't) take anything about it seriously. The game is basically 100% satire all the way to its core.
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 06:11:12 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2009, 07:14:36 AM
Just started playing NMH. Is Suda seriously this goddamn immature? The forced swear words, gratuitous toilet humour and general vibe of the game is juvenile in the worst possible way.
EDIT: And please, no one tell me this is intentional as a satire of those types of games. Because we all know that's bull****.
I dunno dude. You can't (and shouldn't) take anything about it seriously. The game is basically 100% satire all the way to its core.
Oh I don't take it seriously at all. But that has less to do the supposed satire and more to do with the fact that it's infantile and distasteful. I agree with Kairon - I wouldn't say it's satirical (Suda's "punk's not dead" slogan is one clue) - it's just his usual zaniness. Suda probably believed people would actually find all of his "touches" funny.
I might be sounding a bit self-righteous here but I am honestly put-off by almost everything in the game, which is rare for me. I think it's mostly to do with the presentation. It feels like Suda is an immature teenage boy who is in love with the idea of swearing and violence and sex.. gratuitously forcing these elements into the game for the sake of it.
I wonder what Miyamoto would think of this game. He'd probably hate it.
Post by: Mario on January 11, 2009, 08:14:05 AM
The game world is about Travis, not Suda. Everything in the game is an exaggerated reflection of the lifestyle he's trying to portray, in order to highlight it for people in a way that wont bore them to death. That's how Suda delivers messages and I personally love it.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 11, 2009, 12:12:39 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 04:12:56 PM
The game world is about Travis, not Suda. Everything in the game is an exaggerated reflection of the lifestyle he's trying to portray, in order to highlight it for people in a way that wont bore them to death. That's how Suda delivers messages and I personally love it.
Actually, I think you may be onto something there Mario. I'm not as adept at figuring Suda out as you are, but I don't think he's being sensationalistic. I don't feel that NMH is haphazard at all, I really do think that Suda has crafted it with an intent.
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2009, 08:04:42 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2009, 09:04:48 PM
That's all well and good Mario, but what you said doesn't change a thing. But by all means, go ahead and scavenge for profundity in this barren wasteland of a game.
"I might be sounding a bit self-righteous here but I am honestly put-off by almost everything in the game, which is rare for me."
You said you weren't taking it seriously, but you appear to have a serious reaction anyway. It's really just you having an honest, unique, subjective view compared to some of us. I did find all of Suda's little touches funny, and I find myself lucky to pick up on a bunch of super-niche-niche cultural references. He's a Japanese guy who barely barely speaks english and proceeded to run eastern + western entertainment cultural nuggets through a blender.
"swearing and violence and sex"
Yeah, I came across these items in this particular *entertainment product* as well. I had my chuckles, let the naughty factor wear off after a few seconds, and moved on. I found it sorta tame compared to other immensely more-popular products, and notably more tame than killer7.
No big deal.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2009, 03:41:59 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2009, 04:29:17 AM
As for the cultural references, there's no chance I caught all of the ones you mentioned. But in the grand scheme of things, these references mean little to what I'm trying to say.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2009, 05:45:59 AM
Post by: Dasmos on January 12, 2009, 05:59:18 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2009, 07:03:57 AM
Pro, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "put off". I wasn't offended - we've all seen worse than NMH - I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining. I can understand why it would appeal to people who like "Wanted" and Mike Myers movies, among others. Unfortunately, I'm not among those people.
This is what's called crossing the line of opinion and extending into really stupid generalizations...You must not be very good at getting gifts...
Post by: Stogi on January 12, 2009, 07:11:14 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2009, 12:44:07 PM
Pro, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "put off". I wasn't offended - we've all seen worse than NMH - I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining. I can understand why it would appeal to people who like "Wanted" and Mike Myers movies, among others. Unfortunately, I'm not among those people.
As for the cultural references, there's no chance I caught all of the ones you mentioned. But in the grand scheme of things, these references mean little to what I'm trying to say.
Yes, this is clearer.
"I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining."
An unfortunate generalization. I have the idea that your preferences cut you off before you get to identify with the geek factor driving the game's contents. I guess there really is too much of it in one place for your to digest.
I wasn't clear myself, but it's the swearing/violence/sex that ARE a good portion of the entertainment culture being referenced. It's in-line with the quirky (niche) content packed into Kill Bill--don't tell me you have issues with these movies as well.
Post by: EasyCure on January 12, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
IceCold is the new Evan.
Any game that isn't F-Zero GX and/or Jungle Beat might as well not exist in his book
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2009, 02:15:32 PM
KAWWW KAWWW KAWWW!
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
NWR swoops in like vultures, as usual.
KAWWW KAWWW KAWWW!
You just couldn't resist breaking your chain of serious posts could you?
Post by: matt oz on January 12, 2009, 04:39:50 PM
As for all this talk of puerility, did you know anything about this game before playing it, IceCold? Before I played, I knew all about the toilet saving and the masturbatory recharging animation. And the game truly is a satire. You don't really get any of the game's story until the very, very end, and at that point you can see that the whole thing is just making fun of gamers. (And for the record, I flove this game, and I hated "Wanted." Hands down, worst movie I've ever seen in a theater. I was so tempted to leave after 30 min and get my money back.)
My hope for NMH2: make a game like Shadow of the Colossus - just a bunch of boss battles with no filler. No stupid jobs in between. Some of them were fun the first time, but I just want to get to the assassins, especially on my second playthrough. It's okay to have the levels before the bosses, because some of them were really inventive, but don't rely on players killing hundreds of generic enemies behind the Thunder Ryu building just to make some money to get there.
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
My hope for NMH2: make a game like Shadow of the Colossus - just a bunch of boss battles with no filler. No stupid jobs in between. Some of them were fun the first time, but I just want to get to the assassins, especially on my second playthrough. It's okay to have the levels before the bosses, because some of them were really inventive, but don't rely on players killing hundreds of generic enemies behind the Thunder Ryu building just to make some money to get there.
Maybe the attempt at "satire" went a little too far in this respect, huh?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
Post by: matt oz on January 12, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
My hope for NMH2: make a game like Shadow of the Colossus - just a bunch of boss battles with no filler. No stupid jobs in between. Some of them were fun the first time, but I just want to get to the assassins, especially on my second playthrough. It's okay to have the levels before the bosses, because some of them were really inventive, but don't rely on players killing hundreds of generic enemies behind the Thunder Ryu building just to make some money to get there.
Maybe the attempt at "satire" went a little too far in this respect, huh?
I don't think it was satire, I just think it was a poor design choice. The whole get-a-job-to-unlock-assassination-missions thing was just a way to extend playtime. You potentially have to kill thousands of enemies in this game just to get the money for the bosses, unless you don't want to buy any weapon upgrades or clothes or anything else. Same thing with the open world. It was a poor design choice that couldn't be implemented properly for whatever reason.
I think the whole satire point only needs to be proven by one thing. By covering up a major twist with double speed voice playback (ie- Jeane's revelation about being Travis's sister), Suda knew that some sad gamer was going to record that footage, slow it down in a video program, then post it on YouTube for everyone to see. He knew that someone would care enough (or be desperate enough) to do that. I know that when I went looking for it on YouTube, there were at least 5 different versions of that speech. Success.
Post by: IceCold on January 13, 2009, 12:50:06 AM
IceCold is the new Evan.Oh God.. after I spent hours arguing with him?! :P
Obviously what I said was half in jest. But you can't deny that the violence and humour in NMH is clearly along the lines of the movies I mentioned.Pro, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "put off". I wasn't offended - we've all seen worse than NMH - I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining. I can understand why it would appeal to people who like "Wanted" and Mike Myers movies, among others. Unfortunately, I'm not among those people.
This is what's called crossing the line of opinion and extending into really stupid generalizations...You must not be very good at getting gifts...
Thanks for the polite reply - after re-reading my posts I can see how they could easily provoke a negative reaction. You may be right about the preferences. I have a question - I can see myself liking something like NMH but more surreal and with a more serious atmosphere. Is killer7 like this at all (haven't played it yet)?Pro, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "put off". I wasn't offended - we've all seen worse than NMH - I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining. I can understand why it would appeal to people who like "Wanted" and Mike Myers movies, among others. Unfortunately, I'm not among those people.
As for the cultural references, there's no chance I caught all of the ones you mentioned. But in the grand scheme of things, these references mean little to what I'm trying to say.
Yes, this is clearer.
"I'm simply stating that I don't find such blatant puerility entertaining."
An unfortunate generalization. I have the idea that your preferences cut you off before you get to identify with the geek factor driving the game's contents. I guess there really is too much of it in one place for your to digest.
I wasn't clear myself, but it's the swearing/violence/sex that ARE a good portion of the entertainment culture being referenced. It's in-line with the quirky (niche) content packed into Kill Bill--don't tell me you have issues with these movies as well.
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As for all this talk of puerility, did you know anything about this game before playing it, IceCold? Before I played, I knew all about the toilet saving and the masturbatory recharging animation. And the game truly is a satire. You don't really get any of the game's story until the very, very end, and at that point you can see that the whole thing is just making fun of gamers. (And for the record, I flove this game, and I hated "Wanted." Hands down, worst movie I've ever seen in a theater. I was so tempted to leave after 30 min and get my money back.)
I knew vaguely of it - mostly from forum impressions. Wasn't quite expecting what I got. Also, I haven't finished the game - maybe my perspective will change when I do. The boss battles are a compelling enough reason to go through the game, but honestly, nearly everything else is a drag.
IceCold is the new Evan.
Any game that isn't F-Zero GX and/or Jungle Beat might as well not exist in his book
Is that really all you think of when you see my name? :P
Post by: EasyCure on January 13, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
IceCold is the new Evan.
Any game that isn't F-Zero GX and/or Jungle Beat might as well not exist in his book
Is that really all you think of when you see my name? :P
Since I don't see you post as much as when I started posting here, and not nearly as much as when I was just a lurker... so yes :)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
I'll try to describe it. Please avoid reading Wikipedia cuz it spoils the game's mysteries immediately.
killer7 is on the same weirdo spectrum opposite of NMH. Whereas NMH is a "flashy" and "in your face" action title, killer7 is a "moody" and "in your head" adventure title. The story was developed by Suda and Shinji Mikami, and the game has a considerably darker, more serious tone than NMH. k7 goes for the bizarre in the creepy/unsettling/disturbing sense. Being an adventure title, the presence of the story is much thicker here as well. Myself and others here fell in love with the story (rare occurrence) because it lacks the lame MGS-style drama about "beliefs", "emotions", "motivation", "doing the right thing", etc., so in effect we ended up taking it seriously cuz it wasn't your everyday video game cheeze. It was something... else.
I personally interpret the game as a remix of the classic Resident Evil mechanics. k7 is 1) a light gun rail shooter and 2) an adventure game. When you think of the actions in RE1, theres 1) 50% terrible walking and 2) 50% terrible aiming. k7 shakes this by going 1) 10% oversimplified walking and 2) 90% reliable first-person free-aim. Walking only involves pressing (A) to walk forward along whatever path you're on. Branches are selectable plus there's a 180-degree turn. When you get down to business you toggle into first-person rail shooter mode (like switching to bow & arrow mode in 3D Zelda at the press of a button). Since you can walk back/forth, you essentially decide where to stop and do your target practicing. The enemies (insane zombie things) act like rail shooter enemies in that you want to shoot them before they get too close, and aiming at weak points is emphasized (instant kills). Don't let it cross your mind that you should dodge or run circles around an enemy--all the serious business is taken care of just fine in the first person mode (unless thou sucks). The adventure portion is much like RE's, with more interesting Suda-brand visuals: running into obscure puzzles, finding keys/switches, using your characters' special abilities, and picking up bits and pieces of story information.
Story? Not like other cherished game stories. *cough* Metal Gear Solid *vomit*
Cloned super soldiers fighting over giant robots? give me a break.
Style over substance? Definitely. How much substance? More than the classic Resident Evil titles.
You can aim at what you want, and you don't move like a blindfolded tank. k7 is a smoother, more direct experience.
And as an extra remark, there's no illogical healing items/mechanics. No herbs, rations, roast beef, or first aid kits. Only blood.
It's one of the minor details illustrating killer7 isn't set in reality, it's set in un-reality.
Post by: EasyCure on January 14, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
I bought the game used some time ago, played it for about ten mins.. then played the other game i picked up that same day (cant remember what it was) and never went back to it... I'm a horrible gamer :(
Post by: ShyGuy on January 14, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Post by: Spinnzilla on January 14, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2009, 09:29:18 PM
Killer7 should be $10.
Post by: EasyCure on January 14, 2009, 09:53:08 PM
No More Heroes is $20 at most major stores.
Killer7 should be $10.
I got Killer7 for $8.99 ;)
The gameplay of K7 is a big hurdle to get over, but it's worth it.
Thats what kept me from playing it longer on my first time with the game. I was in the first level and got to some giant...thing with those zombie things coming out and couldnt shoot them for crap, died a few times and gave up just to play the other game i bought.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2009, 10:05:03 PM
killer7 = burger
Post by: EasyCure on January 14, 2009, 10:17:13 PM
The main stuff i knew was that it was basically on rails, and had oldschool boss pattern learning battle things.
