Post by: Pale on November 28, 2006, 09:24:31 AM
Though they all didn't come out on a Monday as we expected, the Virtual Console was updated today with two new games from Sega.
Ecco the Dolphin
The classic Genesis adventure title (originally released on 7/29/1993) is now available for 800 Wii points. It's a single player game that is compatible with the Wii Remote, Classic controller, and GameCube controller.
Golden Axe
Another classic Genesis title, Golden Axe is an action adventure game for 1-2 players. It was originally released on 12/22/1988 and is compatible with the Wii Remote, Classic controller, and GameCube controller.
As reported yesterday, Hudson released Super Star Soldier as well.
Super Star Soldier
This single player shooter can be controlled with the Wii Remote, Classic controller, or GameCube controller. It was originally released in 1991 for the TurboGrafx 16.
Post by: TMW on November 28, 2006, 10:19:33 AM
This will consume me for hours.
Post by: Neodymium on November 28, 2006, 10:59:47 AM
Post by: vudu on November 28, 2006, 11:35:14 AM
Post by: Hocotate on November 28, 2006, 11:51:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 28, 2006, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 28, 2006, 07:14:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
What's this garbage? They chose to put out Golden Axe and Ecco over GUNSTAR HEROES!? >=O
Its called ::Let's suck them dry before we release the great games which they will still buy::. If they released games like Gunstar early then chances are many would lose interest in VC, but now they can get money from people's impatience
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Post by: Svevan on November 28, 2006, 07:42:30 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 28, 2006, 08:31:55 PM
Sega where is my Gunstar Heroes?
Nintendo....I'm not even gonna ask. I'm just going to give u an evil stare until something worthwhile plops out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 28, 2006, 09:32:27 PM
Post by: The Omen on November 28, 2006, 09:50:15 PM
Post by: vudu on November 28, 2006, 11:59:25 PM
QuoteI'll give you something to bitch about.
Originally posted by: The Omen
Now we're complaining about VC titles? Will the bitching never end?
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 01:11:22 AM
I have yet to purchase a VC game. My brother insists the first one we get should be Super Mario Bros.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2006, 01:25:24 AM
Post by: Pale on November 29, 2006, 01:41:53 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 29, 2006, 05:51:17 AM
So I understand why Sega released it first. And the service is only 3 weeks old and you are complaining? We have available for download about or over 15 games with more coming. I think it is fine.
Why do people complain for no reason?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 29, 2006, 05:55:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Hey, simple truth. Ecco the Dolphin and Golden Axe are more classic games than Gunstar Heroes.
So I understand why Sega released it first. And the service is only 3 weeks old and you are complaining? We have available for download about or over 15 games with more coming. I think it is fine.
Why do people complain for no reason?
I think it shows that there really isn't much to complain about with the Wii which is a good thing
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Post by: wandering on November 29, 2006, 06:18:09 AM
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In Altered Beast, punch is the A button.
AH. I was wondering why all I could do was kick. I thought the devs had just watched too much Walker Texas Ranger or something.
edit: you know what would be rad? If NWR started doing reviews of VC games.
Post by: Svevan on November 29, 2006, 06:30:45 AM
That said, I love playing Super Mario 64 and Super Star Soldier. I can't wait to get into Solomon's Key again, and Zelda, Trauma Center, and Mii Channel are all a blast. Nintendo's given me a great amount of fun this past week, and I hope they keep it up. Its their trickle down philosophy that drives me nuts and has driven them into third place two generations in a row.
Post by: vudu on November 29, 2006, 06:30:49 AM
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 29, 2006, 06:46:05 AM
Post by: Pale on November 29, 2006, 06:48:38 AM
Post by: wandering on November 29, 2006, 06:54:08 AM
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it pisses me off that I can't get the games I want
I have no doubt. That doesn't mean Nintendo's "trickle down" strategy is a bad one. The notion that the small selection of VC games will lead to the Wii going the way of the N64 is a ludicrous one. The n64 had, what, 2 games at launch? The Wii has dozens. Under these circumstances, a "trickle down" strategy makes sense. It ensures people don't gouge themselves on classics of yore, and encourages them instead to buy more Wii games, and not-quite-stellar VC games. It ensures that people, never quite satisfied with what they've purchased so far, will keep coming back to the Wii shop for more.
At least, that's what I think. If that makes me a stupid Nintendo zealot, then so be it.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 29, 2006, 07:04:04 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2006, 07:36:43 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 29, 2006, 08:07:52 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 29, 2006, 08:14:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
There are plenty of roadblocks with Wii - internet router issues, over-complexity of setup (both the system, Miis, internet, synching controllers, etc) problems with direct pointing, component and S-video cable availability, system availability, and Virtual Console which is a far larger mess than the people here are willing to admit. .
The Wii is not complex to set up, just follow the directions, it isn't like you are putting together a complex item. Not sure how the Miis are complex either, it is an added feature that you can either do or ignore. Probaly the only real complex thing is syncing the controllers but even that isn't too bad. Can't comment on the direct pointing, because I haven't heard many complaints about that (it works fine with me), and system availability is usually an issue with all console launches, at least Nintendo is putting a ton out to at least try to meet demand.
Virtual Console is basically a bonus feature and I don't believe it is a huge selling point of the Wii to the general public, it is more for us hardcore gamers. I also think people need to back off of Nintendo on the VC and other internet related issues because this is a completely new system, they haven't had 5+ years to perfect it like MS. Probaly the only legit concern is lack of component/s-video cables because I think they should have prepared better for that, heck the GC had them available at launch!
Post by: IceCold on November 29, 2006, 07:45:49 PM
QuoteThese are... classic games. You know, ones that have been released already? Are you really telling me you're willing to compare these to new Wii games?
Its their trickle down philosophy that drives me nuts and has driven them into third place two generations in a row.
Post by: Svevan on November 29, 2006, 07:52:58 PM
Some casual gamers (or even non-gamers) loved certain games for NES or SNES and they want only to download what they are familiar with. These games are not available because according to Nintendo, they will only release games that have viability in our marketplace. Idiotic! You MAKE these games desirable by putting them out there! For 3 or 4 bucks I'll try ANYTHING on the NES or SNES if someone tells me it's good (5-8 is a bit much, and I think this is part of Nintendo's problem: high prices and profit margin equals lower sales numbers).
I really can't comment on the technical limitations of making these games available but based on Nintendo's track record of releasing games in EXACTLY the same way, I must assume that their decision is based on marketing decisions and not server crap. They have 15 games sitting there that we COULD be downloading and playing. And so what if I don't download them all right away? I will slowly work through what I want to if there are 50 available at one time. More games will equal more sales. I will buy Gunstar Heroes, SMB, Chip N Dale, etc the moment they come out. If they ALL come out, then I'll get two or three at a time and get the others later - nothing is stopping the hardcore from buying them all (except the limited amount of space on the Wii Menu) and variety will only encourage the casual or non-gamer to try the one game they really love. By only releasing "the classics" or as the Wii Shop Channel says, "the masterpieces," they only encourage the hardcore gamers to sit and wait for the stuff they like.
You may say that this is the point - more suspense ergo more purchases. Sorry, no - waiting all weekend for Super Star Soldier, Golden Axe, and Ecco did not make me buy any of them, and if you read our forums or anyone else's forums you'll see tons of people saying "I'll skip it this week." These people were going to skip these games anyways, and Nintendo didn't do anything to make them more viable. They're just pissing us off, saying "We'll give you what we think you want and only when we think you need it." Nintendo could be SELLING us games by doing monthly updates of 50 games or more, or at the very least sticking to a ten game a week system. Less is not more - it also makes the VC look less desirable to those considering Wii. Sure you can play old games on this console, but most of them aren't available yet. I may not see Yoshi's Island until March, and then Donkey Kong 64 in July, Majora's Mask in November. We may NEVER see awesome yet unnoticed N64 games like Mischief Makers, Buck Bumble, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Glover, Mission: Impossible, Castlevania, or the flippin' Goemon games. Is NES Tennis really selling the Wii to anybody?
Is Virtual Console supposed to be an arcade that has a limited number of games at any one time, or a museum that is filled with all history and we can slowly work our way through? Nintendo can make money by putting more games out there and lowering the price, because it will appeal to both the hardcore and the casual gamer. Instead of feeling like a kid in a candy store I feel like a kid whose only system is the N64 - gotta wait till next month for another good game.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 30, 2006, 04:50:16 AM
That has always been a Nintendo problem. They would rather have one sale at $100 than 100 sales at $10.
Post by: Pale on November 30, 2006, 05:21:04 AM
Do you think a $2 price decrease would cause an addition 66,666 people to download the game? That is where the argument lies. I'm inclined to say that the price decrease wouldn't cause a sales increase of that magnitude, but that's just me. I'm not saying I'm happy with the current price, just trying to shed some light on Nintendo's angle. I definitely don't think they are dumb for charging as much as they are. There are much smarter economists and marketers than ourselves who are looking at this data along with hard statistical evidence before these decisions are made. I'm inclined to believe that they made the best financial decision for themselves.
Post by: Pale on November 30, 2006, 05:29:01 AM
I'm not saying I don't wish all the games were available, because I do, but lets think about this. How does Nintendo stand to make the most money off of the virtual console? Well, I would guess that they want to put the desire in people to collect them all (or at least all the 'good' ones). Now, in order for people to have this collecting mentality, it has to be feasible. If the Wii Shop was flooded with thousands of games out of the gate, people would be overwhelmed. They would perceive the overall price as even more expensive, as the overall price to own them all would be absolutely insane! This would make them immediately think that it is hopeless, and they may never go back to the shop again.
Now this is all consumer behavior mumbo jumbo, but there is a lot of truth to it. There has got to be some people out there that have downloaded every VC game that is available thus far. If there were 1000s of titles available, do you think they would have downloaded as many? Maybe. Do you think they would have downloaded that same set? Probably not.
Nintendo wants to make money. Every company does. It's the consumers job to decide whether or not they are crossing the line of value. If you don't think it is a value, don't download the games. That action, on a great enough scale, will cause all those marketers and economists to do their math over again.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 05:38:51 AM
Post by: vudu on November 30, 2006, 06:00:14 AM
QuoteIf the sale cost Nintendo $9.10 then that makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
That has always been a Nintendo problem. They would rather have one sale at $100 than 100 sales at $10.
$100 - $9.10 = $90.90 profit
$10 - $9.10 = $0.90 profit/sale x 100 sales = $90 profit
Post by: Ian Sane on November 30, 2006, 06:52:52 AM
Probably not so much for really major titles like Super Mario Bros but I could see it for weaker titles like Pinball or Soccer. I think a lower price helps the "for the hell of it" factor. A major title may sell the same no matter what but with the price ranges as they are I think purchases are a decision right now instead of an impulse. Also a lower price will make people consider rebuying games they already own for the convenience of having everything in one place. If the price is too high I think a fair bit of people are going to save their money more for games they don't have yet.
At the very least the current prices should not be the absolute lowest prices. Lousy games that don't sell should have lower prices. Right now this seems too much like Nintendo charging $30 for Player's Choice games instead of the expected $20 (which they thankfully seemed to have stopped doing). It's just higher than expected so people are less enthusiastic. We're constantly complaining about the VC here on the forum. The lousy selection probably wouldn't get as much flack if the prices were lower. "So we don't have that great of NES games. Who cares? They're only a buck." We don't have that. We've got a lousy selection AND prices higher than we expected.
As a longtime fan to me it just seems like Nintendo trying to get every last penny out of me yet again. It is so rare that I don't think they're trying to price gouge me. The Wii is supposed to introduce a lot of new people into gaming and thus introduce them to Nintendo. Is "Uncle Scrooge" Nintendo really who Nintendo wants to introduce to them? Here is a chance to get rid of the greedy jerk image.
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 07:06:46 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 30, 2006, 10:21:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The Wii is supposed to introduce a lot of new people into gaming and thus introduce them to Nintendo. Is "Uncle Scrooge" Nintendo really who Nintendo wants to introduce to them? Here is a chance to get rid of the greedy jerk image.
The new people who play the Wii aren't going to feast on the VC. Non gamers and Casual gamers have a very low tie-in ratio, and thus are even less likely to spring for ultra hardcore oldschool games that only hardcore gamers will buy willy nilly. And if they do buy VC games, it'll likely be old gasmes they remember playing that they can already vouch for in terms of quality and thus justify the price.
Non-gamers and casual gamers won't be seeing the "uncle scrooge" you see Ian, they'll be seeing the free pack-in of Wii Sports, they'll be seeing the great deal on Wii Play, and they'll be seeing the lower game prices ($30 games at launch! Wow!) compared to the X360 and PS3.
Non-gamers and casual gamers, because of their preferences and tastes, will NOT complain about the same thing you will Ian.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Nephilim on November 30, 2006, 04:07:06 PM
as has super castlevania 4, contra 3 (well super probotector) and street fighter 2
u can stop complaining now
