Post by: shrapnel09 on November 22, 2006, 05:10:07 PM
for those who own a classic controller and an NES game via VC i must know the following information:
when you are playing a NES game on VC do you push the 'a' and 'b' buttons on the new controller, or 'y' and 'b'? Even though 'a' and 'b' letters would match the original NES controller, 'y' and 'b' on the Classic Controller would match the physical thumb layout _much_ closer.
So please, does an NES game use the 'y' and 'b' buttons on the controller, or do you need to lift and change your thumb's position unatually to reach 'a' and 'b' just so nintendo could match the letters? Thank you very much for your assistance
Post by: Artimus on November 22, 2006, 06:26:26 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 22, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
I have a similar stupid question though, what is the top middle button thing? I know it pushes open two openings on the back of the controller but I have no idea what those two openings are for. My sister tried reading the manuals but hasn't found out what it is for.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 22, 2006, 07:25:14 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on November 22, 2006, 08:03:25 PM
Post by: shrapnel09 on November 22, 2006, 08:07:05 PM
i dont want to twist my hand 40 degrees to hold two buttons at the same time so i can run and jump.... i just DONT get it. Seriously try running in mario and then lift up your thumb off the run and jump, it complete fucks it up and that is what you will have to do unless you twist your hand/thumb in a completely unatural position.
Same concept with the GBA, tried playing Donkey Kong Country... you cant you need your thumb over the two, why cant people SEE this?! Jesus Christ so f*cking annoying, thanks for your response though, nothing much i can do now.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 22, 2006, 08:59:44 PM
But it's apparent that NES games will be primarily enjoyed on the Remote rather than the Classic controller. the SNES style is comfortable. to be authentic, NES gaming can't be that comfortable, so using the Remote in the classic orientation is the only reasonable option.
Post by: Artimus on November 23, 2006, 01:07:08 AM
Post by: UncleBob on November 23, 2006, 01:13:39 AM
A more important question is why does the cable come out of the bottom of the controller?
Post by: mantidor on November 23, 2006, 03:01:34 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 23, 2006, 03:30:05 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2006, 05:08:41 AM
I see it for whenever I play Super Gameboy games on my SNES I set it to use a Y/B setup instead of B/A. People also forget that the NES controller had the two buttons perfectly horizontal which although uncomfortable is much easier to use then the diagonal up method you get with the SNES design. Anyone who can't see how a vertical run/jump setup is superior is just choosing not to. What SHOULD have happened is Nintendo should have allowed us to fully customize our controls for the VC. Like it isn't even game dependent. I should just access a menu in the VC and decide for ALL NES games what button A is.
The fact that Nintendo did think of this sort of thing on the Super Gameboy but couldn't think of it now makes it all the more depressing. The VC is such a strong concept but it is very clear whoever is calling the shots regarding it has no idea what they're doing. Custom button mapping is routine stuff that anyone SHOULD figure out.
Post by: JonLeung on November 23, 2006, 05:15:53 AM
However, I've learned to adapt to using B and A as, well, B and A when playing GBA games on the DS. I'm sure I can deal with it either way, even if I would still prefer Y and B.
Come to think of it, I haven't opened my Classic Controllers yet. My brother says the first VC game we should get should be Super Mario Bros. for the NES but I don't think that's available yet.
Post by: Kairon on November 23, 2006, 05:16:49 AM
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Post by: ryancoke on November 23, 2006, 05:47:14 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on November 23, 2006, 10:21:19 AM
It is just like the SNES controller so its fine by me.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2006, 11:02:22 AM
Super Metroid had customizable button mapping. When do you ever see that from a first party title now? What the hell happened?
Post by: Requiem on November 23, 2006, 11:13:41 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
How is that different then the Super Gameboy? Gameboy games say "press A" all the time but somehow we were smart enough to remember that if we mapped our buttons differently we had to adjust. So in the last 12 years humanity has become stupider and can't figure it out? People that would get confused would probably never map their controls differently in the first place so it doesn't matter.
I think that's a key difference between market leader Nintendo and present-day Nintendo. Market leader Nintendo assumed their customers were reasonably intelligent while present-day Nintendo dumbs everything down.
Post by: Requiem on November 23, 2006, 11:48:39 AM
That said, I would love to be able to customize all my VC games like I would with a PC emulator. But bitching about having to press the far right button instead of the the far left is a little childish.
"I think that's a key difference between market leader Nintendo and present-day Nintendo. Market leader Nintendo assumed their customers were reasonably intelligent while present-day Nintendo dumbs everything down."
Back then, Nintendo was dealing with one of the simplest configurations ever. It was either a D-pad and two buttons, or a D-pad and 6-buttons. Either way, everthing is pretty straight forward. You plug the controller in and then you play a game. Now-a-days, we are dealing with the most complicated configurations ever, requiring Nintendo to make it as easy as possible with the least amount of confusion (something Apple does very well). Call it dumbing down if you want, but its smart business.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2006, 12:02:24 PM
What about Genesis games? They use a C button. N64 games use a Z button. I assume no button named after those letters exists on the classic controller.
The whole thing is inconsistent anyway. We supposedly need to simplify things but meanwhile there are three different controllers that can be used on the Wii and one "half" controller that can be connected to one but is sold seperately. People too dumb to figure this stuff out are screwed already.
The default settings would be good enough for the masses and only those who aren't easily confused would actually change their button mapping.
Post by: UncleBob on November 23, 2006, 12:05:44 PM
Post by: Requiem on November 23, 2006, 12:06:52 PM
Still, I was trying to give an example of what they may have been thinking. And since the Wii is internet and firmware enabled, it could easily change.
Post by: segagamer12 on November 23, 2006, 01:39:32 PM
BUT thats the PROBLEM IT DOESNT MATCH UP.
I have foudn this to also be frustrating, havent tried Genesis Games yet but I figure those will be easy cuz they also had 6 button controllers so that wont be an issue.
BUT when playing DBZ with a Classic Controller they switch all the buttons around, not to match the Wii remote settign but teh GC controller settings. Which IS dumb because its a Wii game and when you see PRESS A on screan you immediatley begin mashin A and find out its really Y you are supposed to be pressing, por whenit say press Z its really L.
That IS confusing. However for this particular game it could either be Namco/Bandia/Ataris fault for not mapping the bottons properly or it could very well be Nintendo made it so you cant map the bottons however you chose and they HAVE to follow GC configurations.
Post by: mantidor on November 23, 2006, 03:07:19 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 24, 2006, 04:41:18 AM
I can do that, it's just very uncomfortable. It's not an ergonomic way to do it.
Post by: segagamer12 on November 24, 2006, 06:06:27 AM
yes but we dont mind
Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2006, 06:59:35 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on November 24, 2006, 08:20:53 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 24, 2006, 09:18:09 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 24, 2006, 09:23:48 AM
Post by: Saturn2888 on November 24, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
About the controls, it's more comfortable to use B and Y, that's simple and stated and fact. Also, Nintendo made the stupid decision to use B and A, something they even didn't stick w/ when using SNES games. The thing about it is though, if you use your Wiimote, then you're not gonna have to worry about B and A being hard to use on the Classic controller. The problem here lies in the fact that the Classic controller is a lot more comfortable to use than the Wiimote. The only reason you can even use the Wiimote is because people don't wanna spend another $20 on another controller that won't even add much functionality if all they're gonna buy is NES games. But the thing is, if they did buy it, they've be highly disappointed.
Just to add something extra:
For anyone that doesn't know this, Super Mario Bros. was actually designed to be played with arcade sticks, and I own some myself. Lemme tell you, the benefit for being able to use GCN controls makes it so my GCN adapters for my arcade sticks will work w/ VC games and man is it fun using the arcade sticks to play those games. It just gives them a whole new dimention, a new feeling. It does take a bit to get used to the feeling of arcade sticks, but after that, you should be good. The sticks I own are the X-Arcade Solo and Dual and the Quasimoto QuasiCON 2P
Post by: shrapnel09 on November 26, 2006, 09:06:21 AM
An interesting trick i was thinking about doing... if there isnt a 3rd party NES controller (and a good quality one) and sense the wiimote kind of sucks as an NES controller from what i heard. buy an extra classicpad... unscrew it and rotate the button chip clockwise, that way the old b will be y, and the old a will be b. and there you have a nice cheated y/b setup.
What you think?
