Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 17, 2006, 02:27:24 PM
Post by: Zach on November 17, 2006, 02:31:59 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on November 17, 2006, 03:31:24 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 17, 2006, 05:35:58 PM
QuoteWe will be
Since you Americans will be enjoying twilight princess this time tomorrow and nowhere else will be
Post by: norebonomis on November 17, 2006, 05:44:05 PM
omg!!!!!!
22 MORE HOURS AND I WILL BE PLAYING ZELDA!
Post by: MarioAllStar on November 17, 2006, 05:57:52 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 19, 2006, 08:59:35 AM
I've got the fishing rod, I've destroyed the bee nest with the hawk, but what now? I'm trying to catch a fish for the cat, and I think I need a bait but I have no clue where to get it.
I've been playing for an hour and 15 minutes already, so laugh all you want, but I am really in need of help for such a simple problem.
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 19, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
I don't have the game, so if I'm right then.....lawl. I really don't know, but it seems like a good guess...
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2006, 09:39:29 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 19, 2006, 09:49:56 AM
Edit
Haha, apparently I forgot that when a fish is biting the bobble moves, and hence my problem was solved and then I smacked my forehead for such stupidity.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 20, 2006, 03:38:14 AM
Awesome game! When I captured the baby bassinet, I was so excited that I waved my hands in the air...and Link threw it into the river. Oh balls.
Post by: RickPowers on November 20, 2006, 05:46:35 AM
Since I had just got done herding goats, I naturally tried to herd the cat, which went about as well as you would expect given the phrase.
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on November 20, 2006, 05:54:07 AM
Post by: Svevan on November 20, 2006, 05:56:14 AM
SPOILER FROM THE FIRST TIME YOU GO INTO TWILIGHT
Dude, is the twilight music totally from Great Bay Temple?
Post by: Caliban on November 20, 2006, 08:54:21 AM
Btw, I'm stuck again lol, damn those mines.
Post by: JonLeung on November 20, 2006, 09:01:41 AM
Post by: RickPowers on November 20, 2006, 09:20:22 AM
If you're stuck where I was in the mines, it's probably because you missed a key. Go back to the room with the water spiders (who's name escapes me) and it should be on the left side (if you're facing north) in an underwater chest.
Jon ... the fishing is tricky, I was only able to catch fish in that one spot. Later, even using bait, I can't seem to land a fish. I know exactly how to do it, and can get them hooked, but for some reason, keep losing them at the end. I can only assume you get a real pole later, based on the previous fishing demo.
Post by: Caliban on November 20, 2006, 10:16:15 AM
I looked everywhere for that key, like wtf...*I'm mad, really mad*...it's like every dungeon in TP is its own version of the OoT Water Temple.
*Goes back playing TP*...lol...this is getting really annoying so I'm going to detail exactly where I am:
I'm in an open area (you can see the sky), it has a lake underneath my uphill path, at the end of my path and to my left is the aggravating locked door, to my closest right is a hanging non-functional magnetic disc, to my furthest right is one of those beam-eye machines, in front of me are 3 monsters constantly shooting arrows at me but they are in an unaccessible platform.
The chest/key you mentioned in the water-spider room, I faced north and saw the underwater chest but it was already opened, so either there should be another chest, or I have no clue what-so-ever.
Post by: RickPowers on November 20, 2006, 12:15:19 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 20, 2006, 12:52:57 PM
I'm going to stop asking help because it just detracts me from the fun of this game, I seriously hope I don't get stuck again lol.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 20, 2006, 01:14:19 PM
I had so much stuff I wanted to comment on but now I've forgotten most of it!
From the first twighlight section:
Midna is very annoying, but also the most helpful assistant Link has ever had, I'd have to say. The scene with the villain attacking Hyrule castle was awesome. I'm assuming it's Ganondorf, they were smart to cover him up. Oh the suspensefulness!
From the first dungeon:
The Gale Boomerang is really awesome. It was when I learned that I could actually use it to deliver bombs straight to my targets that it suddenly became one of my all-time favourites.
From the second twighlight section:
I like how the game makes you give up control every time you enter the twighlight. No items, Midna treating you like her personal slave, and no going back until you revive the spirit. It's scary but fun. Oh yeah, and finding the kids again in Kakariko was pretty emotional.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2006, 01:25:20 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
From the first twighlight section:
Midna is very annoying, but also the most helpful assistant Link has ever had, I'd have to say. The scene with the villain attacking Hyrule castle was awesome. I'm assuming it's Ganondorf, they were smart to cover him up. Oh the suspensefulness!
YOU ARE! Midna =
Oh and Dungeon 3 spoilers...Who else got deju vu from fighting the shelled creatures? They were totally inspired by the Iron Masks from Link's Awakening! The blobs also reminded me of the red gels from the same perfect game! =D
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2006, 04:09:32 AM
My first death in the game involved walking into someone's fireplace.
Post by: RickPowers on November 21, 2006, 08:10:37 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 21, 2006, 10:05:41 AM
Question (wolf form and post 3rd temple spoilers):
It's about howling, I'm deep into the faron woods and now I'm at a small place that has a stone with a triforce engraved on it, and I know I have to howl, but I have yet to fully understand this one because instead of howling bands it has howling points. I've checked the manual but it isn't very explicit. I will keep on trying but any suggestion would be appreciated.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2006, 12:50:51 PM
And oh God, Dungeon 4...Redeads with SWORDS!? Ninty what were you thinking!? ;_;
Post by: Caliban on November 21, 2006, 03:03:50 PM
I'm at the beginning of dungeon 4 too.
Btw, has any of you need to change batteries? I did a few minutes ago while playing Zelda, 20 hours in btw, but I think the Wii Sports and Excite truck sessions have also helped wane the batteries.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2006, 03:13:31 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 22, 2006, 03:58:00 AM
One idea that I think might be cool is to make it so that a fairy can only revive Link with, say 3/4 of his hearts, but if you're careful enough to use it before you die, it refills everything.
I'm trying to take this one slow, but every time I see how far ahead everyone is on me I want to PLAY PLAY PLAY!!
I'm just starting out on the second dungeon. Gorons are cool, but their rocky nipples are freaky.
Post by: RickPowers on November 22, 2006, 04:08:07 AM
Anyway, I'm just about ready to declare this the best Zelda game ever. This is going to sound just awful, but I'm kind of glad that my wife has caught a bug and can't stay at the cabin all weekend for Thanksgiving ... now I have more time to play!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 22, 2006, 04:45:39 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 22, 2006, 05:18:08 AM
Btw, today I got my official Nintendo component cables and Zelda is looking sharp as ever.
Edit: Nevermind, lol, I got through, there's no glitch lol lol. Oh boy that was cool lol *can't stop laughing at himself*.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 22, 2006, 06:16:51 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 22, 2006, 07:27:03 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 22, 2006, 07:49:07 AM
Thanks for the heads up for later playthroughs!
Post by: zxkork on November 22, 2006, 12:11:13 PM
thanks!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 22, 2006, 12:42:42 PM
Replace the () with [ ]...
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 22, 2006, 01:19:33 PM
Love how surreal Hyrule Castle is in the twilight realm; or the twilight realm in general, really. I've just entered it for the second time, so I'm not too far, but everything is quite cool. I love Midna, especially her body motion and how expressive she is. Plus she's a mischievous little thing, and I really love characters like that
I'm very much going to like this game, although I don't expect to get heavy playtime in until Christmas
(Probably not bringing it to school with me, for the two and a half weeks I have left). ANTICIPATION
Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 24, 2006, 05:38:16 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 24, 2006, 07:03:00 AM
As for length, it's certainly possible that he beat it if he had nothing better to do. I've heard that it can be beaten in 35 hours on the first playthrough, but personally I expect it will last me more like 60-80. It all depends on if you're the type to stop and talk to everyone or the type to blast through everything, skipping as much story as possible and focusing on action.
Post by: Caliban on November 24, 2006, 08:06:06 AM
I clocked in between 37 and 40 hours.
Now I can play my other Wii games, and once in a while I will return to TP to finish it off completely, 100%.
Post by: Svevan on November 24, 2006, 08:35:54 AM
Annoyance: You have found a blue rupee! For the 32nd time! Congrats!
Also, I love the sword techniques, I just don't feel like they're all that necessary cause no sword wielding enemy has been difficult so far (I'm in the fourth dungeon).
Post by: Caliban on November 24, 2006, 10:42:09 AM
Come on people finish it already, I want to talk about it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 24, 2006, 01:55:51 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 24, 2006, 02:17:41 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 24, 2006, 04:15:32 PM
It's probably not rushing it, I really just take Zelda at a snail's pace. And I'm always afraid I'll beat it so late that no one will want to talk about it anymore. . .
Post by: Zach on November 24, 2006, 04:51:58 PM
Cut scene after the dungeon. GANONDORF!!!!!
Post by: Caliban on November 25, 2006, 03:16:01 AM
Post by: JoeTrumpet on November 25, 2006, 10:29:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I didn't rush it, I just had enough daily time to spend playing only TP, and I certainly don't want to rush anyone here at NWR. I guess that when the next Zelda is rumoured to be made I can start talking about what happened in TP lol.
I finished it today, and I feel the same way. None of my real life friends have yet to finish it, and I really want to talk about it. But there are still those 24 heart pieces left! And poes and bugs!
Post by: Crimm on November 25, 2006, 05:48:29 PM
Literally an hour in the scale room with the damn statue. I was getting a drink and it hit me. God that sucked.
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Post by: wandering on November 26, 2006, 12:34:32 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 26, 2006, 07:00:35 AM
VGrevolution: GOTTA FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF! =D
Post by: Madcat221 on November 26, 2006, 08:40:18 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Just started the second dungeon. I have a prediction. This is potentially a massive spoiler. I am of the opinion that Illia orchestrated the attack on Ordon village and/or is the real twilight princess.
It's not her. It's not Zelda either. The real Twilight Princess has been with you ever since you made your jailbreak.
Post by: wandering on November 26, 2006, 09:01:45 AM
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Post by: Ceric on November 26, 2006, 07:34:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Madcat221Quote
Originally posted by: wandering
Just started the second dungeon. I have a prediction. This is potentially a massive spoiler. I am of the opinion that Illia orchestrated the attack on Ordon village and/or is the real twilight princess.
It's not her. It's not Zelda either. The real Twilight Princess has been with you ever since you made your jailbreak.
You know here I thought that Zelda was the princess and Midna was the queen and we find out in the end that what was really happening is that it was all just a domestic dispute.
I'm only at the Water Temple but they gave away Zelda to early to make it really her.
I've only found the finishing blow technique... I want to find more but I just haven't been able to...
It's the funny Statues with the holes.... Welp... I've just finished the 3 light spirits so I quess it will be a while before I get to try to get the rest of them.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 27, 2006, 12:47:37 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on November 27, 2006, 02:12:33 AM
It's kind of hard to miss the stones, but the first few I didn't know what to do with them. I later went back and got a few one after another, even without specifically hunting for them, and now I have six skills with the last one I got being at Snowpeak.
The fortune teller makes it too easy to locate Pieces of Heart, but maybe I should be thankful for it since I probably have to scour the world anyway to get Poe Souls. Unless there's a way to easily find those too. >_>
There's something extremely satisfying about smashing ice creatures with the ball and chain. Also, the spinner is really cool, especially in that one insane boss fght.
Post by: RickPowers on November 27, 2006, 02:29:36 AM
OMG ... This is every bit the best Zelda game ever. I love the nice homage to Ocarina when you enter the real Temple of Time for the first time, I think I had a little joygasm there.
I'm quite disappointed that you don't ever have to collect any parts of the Triforce, because that's one of the main things I associate with a Zelda game. Other than that, this game is an absolute masterpiece, and I've enjoyed every second of it, even the frustrating parts!
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2006, 02:47:36 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 27, 2006, 02:49:04 AM
Between the second and third dungeons: The Zora domain (whatever it's called in this game) is HUGE. I can't imagine what it will be like to get around now that I'm done. I can't wait to ride down the river on the boat. The scene where Link finally catches up to Ilia but she doesn't recognize him was wicked. And the soldiers all cheering and growling when they offer to help Ilia was hilarious. Howling is awesome. The chuckwagon escorting mission is fun.
Post by: JonLeung on November 27, 2006, 03:14:19 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
The scene where Link finally catches up to Ilia but she doesn't recognize him was wicked. And the soldiers all cheering and growling when they offer to help Ilia was hilarious. Howling is awesome. The chuckwagon escorting mission is fun.
I guess so. But I kept on staring at Telma's chest. Hey, it's not like they tried to hide what's she's got or anything.
I was fearing the escort mission because I had less than half a heart the first time I did the bridge duel and also the time on the bridge above Lake Hylia trying to avoid the fire so I died instantly on both my first failed attempts and have come to naturally fear bridges now.
I agree with Rick. The Temple Of Time is awesome. I'm not going to argue to continuity and connectivity of the various Zelda games but I like how the Master Sword is both in the Lost Woods (or Sacred Grove) and the Temple Of Time.
The game is very, very good. I'll save my final judgment for when I'm done, but as I'm so stubborn it may not dethrone A Link To The Past (I like 2D games) as my favorite or even surpass Ocarina Of Time (which was groundbreaking at the time). And nostalgia and timing are important when rating games on an all-time favorites list, but strictly looking at the game itself, it does many things better, so I'd heartily recommend it for anyone who likes adventure games at all.
Some of the Zelda games should be absolutely required gaming when they one day make a mainstream university course about video games, or there should be a specific course all about them, kind of how when I took film classes there were courses on specific directors or themes. Can you tell I love the series so?
And to think people were complaining about the delay, controls, which hand Link uses, and mirrored worlds. Seriously. I do think the double-dipping is silly, though, this is reason enough to own a Wii this year, and probably next year too.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 27, 2006, 03:38:46 AM
Nintendo must have known how much I loved rooftop hopping in Ocarina of Time's Kakariko Village. I love the design of the new one, climbing as high as I can, shooting arrows into poles, hot springs; it felt so awesome to restore the town, to see people in it. One of my favorite things about Zelda.
I can't play for the entire week, because I'm at school and left my Wii at home. But come this weekend, I will play hours. Hopefully up through the third dungeon.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 27, 2006, 05:46:09 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I guess so. But I kept on staring at Telma's chest. Hey, it's not like they tried to hide what's she's got or anything.
Yeah, more like Legend of Zelda: Cleavage Princesses. I had the same issue with the lady who runs the river boat thing, and Talo and Malo's mom (though she's not particularly attractive).
Oh, and the fire on the bridge was "cheap", I died 2-3 times there. Doesn't bother me too much except that in previous Zeldas, you could play through without dying as long as you were careful. In this one...not so much.
I also nominate that creepy, baby-like Malo to be Tingle's official successor.
Post by: Caliban on November 27, 2006, 05:48:38 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2006, 06:00:06 AM
Post by: Zach on November 27, 2006, 01:36:38 PM
Ack! ALL I HAD TO DO WAS PRESS B!!!
Post by: odilon on November 27, 2006, 04:31:06 PM
Post by: Zach on November 27, 2006, 05:46:04 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 28, 2006, 08:16:32 AM
Odilon, indeed you can do that to boulders.
I think there should be a thread for those that have finished Zelda, obviously it will need a giant spoiler warning.
Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2006, 08:53:06 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 28, 2006, 09:37:38 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 28, 2006, 09:53:27 AM
Post by: Famicom on November 28, 2006, 12:45:23 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 28, 2006, 01:32:19 PM
Post by: JonLeung on November 28, 2006, 03:58:36 PM
I'm trying to finish this before my mom snarks at me for being up too late. I figure, oh, another few rooms to go. Looks like I dropped down too soon when I shouldn't've. >_< If you're where I am, or further, maybe you know what I'm talking about. >_<
EDIT: On GameFAQs someone mentioned that instead of backtracking, I could use an Oocca to fly to a particular pillar or something and save myself the trouble. Too late to do even that today, though. >_<
Post by: Crimm on November 28, 2006, 04:20:37 PM
Also to anyone who has gone fishing be sure to C look around at the stuff in there. The picture of the "Legendary Fisherman" made me so very happy
Post by: Famicom on November 28, 2006, 04:38:35 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 28, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 28, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
Crimm: Did you get all the bugs yet? They give you good money for it.
Famicom: Did you try the "whatever-it's-called of ordeals, it has 3 poes there I think.
I too am missing that last bottle, and why did I just have to spoil that, we already know they are in the game anyway.
How many complete hearts are any of you away from the full 20 hearts? I have 16 full hearts.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 28, 2006, 05:26:49 PM
Post by: Crimm on November 28, 2006, 05:37:40 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 28, 2006, 05:48:28 PM
Post by: Famicom on November 28, 2006, 06:51:25 PM
Crimm: Bugs become a little easier to find when you realize that every male/female comes from the same general map location. Just read the bug log.
Post by: Svevan on November 28, 2006, 08:31:19 PM
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 02:11:54 AM
I really hate spiders, so it was satisfying smashing the Arachnogohma in the previous area. I wanted it to take a couple more hits, in fact.
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2006, 02:15:34 AM
Post by: zxkork on November 29, 2006, 07:04:57 AM
In Hyrule castle, there's a big room north of the first floor that I can't acces. there's 3 chests in there, and one of them is probably a small key for a door leading to 3 more chests (just beside the boss room). There's a triforce sign facing the wall i'm trying to get accros, and when I step on it and talk to Midna, she says that there must be a way around the wall, and that it would be interesting to get on the other side.
And the piece of heart question:
Is there a piece of heart among those chests? I'm 1 piece of heart away from having my 20 hearts. When I talk to the spirit lady in Hyrule Town, she shows me the same screenshot over and over....and I've gotten that piece. So I'm guesssing my last piece is in Hyrule Castle
Oh and BTW, does anyone knows if it's worth it to gather those 60 poes? They are hard to find...need 28 still whereas I only need 4 more bugs
Thanks!
Post by: decoyman on November 29, 2006, 07:22:58 AM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
This is going to sound just awful, but I'm kind of glad that my wife has caught a bug and can't stay at the cabin all weekend for Thanksgiving ... now I have more time to play!
Rick, I understand completely. My wife has class tonight, and I'm planning on getting home as quick as I can after work to take advantage of having the house to myself and make some progress on Zelda
When she's around, I can't seem to get much gaming time in (we've got one tv, and it's in the main area of our apartment, so it's not really fair for me to monopolize it every evening all week long). Am I a horrible husband? Not completely, anyways. Instead of playing Zelda yesterday, I watched her two favorite tv shows with her (Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars), so I need to make up some time. After all, (and she doesn't seem to understand this, but) I've got the entire land of Hyrule counting on me to save the day, and I'm not about to let them down.
P.S. - EVERYONE IS FURTHER ALONG THAN ME!! I WANT TO READ THE SPOILERS, BUT I WON'T DO IT ARRRRGGHHHHHHH
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2006, 07:40:27 AM
I'm still only finished the third twighlight section (after 18 hours), there are plenty of "slowpokes" on the forum.
Slowpokes unite!
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2006, 07:58:05 AM
<One day I'll find a Shellder and evolve... or maybe a king stone...>
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2006, 08:06:25 AM
Post by: decoyman on November 29, 2006, 08:06:39 AM
But still, Zelda > Gilmore Girls, there's no denying that. So maybe my "saint" should be downgraded to "decent fellow."I got my first game over screen before the 3rd temple after thawing out the Zoras and meeting back up with Ilia. Getting the wagon to Kakariko was fun! But unfortunately one of the boar rider guys pushed me behind a rock, and I wasn't able to catch up before the wagon went up in flames... But I have yet to die as a swordsman or wolf yet. I only get my game overs by letting other people die!
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 08:11:47 AM
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If you watched an entire episode of Gilmore Girls, then you are a saint. They're just so chatty.
I'm still only finished the third twighlight section (after 18 hours), there are plenty of "slowpokes" on the forum.
I think considering that I work full-time, being at the end of the seventh dungeon as of last night is pretty good progress. I went through the third to sixth dungeons this past weekend playing near-non-stop and spent a lot of time making sure I had all the Pieces of Heart possible after each dungeon since after the third.
I'm not slow, but I did slow down at a few places and I did do a lot of things later than I should...
1. It took me over half an hour to figure out how to fish properly at the beginning of the game.
2. It took me over forty minutes to beat Yeta in the race, since I kept wiping out at the stupidest times (like at the end when I happened to be doing well) and didn't realize you could hit her.
3. I got the Warp Point outside the fishing lake much later than I could've.
3. I fixed the Bridge of Eldin also before the SEVENTH dungeon, when I probably could've done it before the FOURTH. Same with getting the Warp Point nearby.
4. I got the bottle from the oil salesman before the SEVENTH dungeon, even though I probably could've gotten it before the FIRST.
On another note, I've never run out of hearts while fighting a major boss. I have, however, gotten Game Over at some points, where I then reached for the power button out of habit from past games. Those points included:
1. on the bridge duel, since I only had half a heart, and thought that falling was instant death
2. at the bridge on fire, since I only had half a heart, and thought that the fire was instant death
3. during the escort mission (which includes a bridge)
4. during the flight up Zora's river and colliding into a rock wall and falling
5. racing Yeta and repeatedly falling
Interesting thing is that they are bridge or speed-related. o_0 And I did have a fairy with me during #4, which was the only time I was ever revived by one, and due to the nature of that "death", I haven't REALLY seen what a fairy-revival looks like in this game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2006, 02:24:09 PM
About the ending: Absolutely fantastic, but it doesn't explain anything about Wind Waker at all! *shakes fist at Aonuma taking the easy way out*
zxkork: You will not find a heart piece in that area...
Post by: BlkPaladin on November 29, 2006, 03:42:42 PM
And now for Link's revenge.
Some people didn't like that the Redeads had swords but there is a litte revenge in store for Link this time. In wolf form he latches onto the back of the Redead and you can probally figure out what it looks like...
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2006, 03:53:27 PM
Replace the ( ) with [ ]...HURRY! =D
Post by: Caliban on November 29, 2006, 04:14:06 PM
Post by: Crimm on November 29, 2006, 04:27:05 PM
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Originally posted by: zxkork
I have a question for those who have beaten the game, (or got every piece of hearts);
In Hyrule castle, there's a big room north of the first floor that I can't acces. there's 3 chests in there, and one of them is probably a small key for a door leading to 3 more chests (just beside the boss room). There's a triforce sign facing the wall i'm trying to get accros, and when I step on it and talk to Midna, she says that there must be a way around the wall, and that it would be interesting to get on the other side.
Okay, I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about. Go to the room you had to use the Boomerang on the pillars to get the gate to open. Transform into a wolf and use your senses. At one place there is a hole you can dig into. You will wind up on the other side of that wall. Use your senses in there at some point too, pretty cool stuff when you do.
Post by: BlkPaladin on November 29, 2006, 04:31:52 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2006, 01:20:25 AM
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Bill: The freaking ending opens many other questions, like, why did Zant appear and "magically" snapped Ganon's neck? And then suddenly his Triforce of Power disapeared as if it was taken from him? Or did Ganon transfer his soul into Zant and made everyone believe he is dead, which would further explain Ganon reapearing and taking over Hyrule in the past of WW? Why is Midna hotter than Zelda, WHY? What happened to those 4 people that always were in the tavern and then went to help you in the castle, but then the castle exploded? Does that mean everyone that was in the castle died? There, I think that's all I wanted to vent, when I finish it again I will have more to vent.
1) I assume that everyone that went into the castle escaped...
2) Midna is cuter cause she's Midna!
3) I took the Zant thing as a more symbolic gesture of Ganondorf's death, but perhaps that'll be saved for another game (Ganondorf doesn't really play off to me as the kind of guy that pretends to be dead)...The Triforce of Power didn't disappear, its power had just been suppressed by the Master Sword...
Post by: couchmonkey on November 30, 2006, 04:28:04 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 30, 2006, 06:44:36 AM
I'm playing Zelda, looking for some Pieces of Heart. I'm poking around the Sacred Grove. My brother passes by the room.
Me: "Hey, gimme a hand here. I can't find this Heart Piece."
Him: "No, I haven't even seen the game."
My brother decided to return to school this semester to study business, and since the Wii came out he's been bombarded with homework and studying, so he can't find the time to play Zelda until his Christmas break. So he has refused to even look at the screen when I'm playing Zelda.
Me: "I know, but you always seem to know how to figure out things even if you don't know anything about something."
Him: "No, I don't."
Me: "Come on, really. There's nothing here but a big movable block. Umm, there are ruins around here. Not really much to say. There's supposed to be a Heart Piece here, so the fortune teller says."
Him: "Use your wolf sense. Don't you have wolf sense or something?"
Me: "No, that doesn't help. I even looked at this busted Treasure Chest but there's clearly nothing in there."
Him: "Someone took it. Go back in time. Can't Link do that?"
Me: "He can and he can't. He...um..."
Him: "Well? Isn't he the Hero Of Time?"
Me: "Not necessarily...but...hmmm... (pause) If this works I'm going to punch you."
A few seconds later...
Me: How did you know?!? (punches him)
Him: OW!
I should have figured that out. I'm sure the thought crossed my mind (I mean, duh, but for some reason I didn't do it. For not having played the game, he was either extremely lucky, psychic, or telepathic (drawing out what I had thought before but never acted upon it). He's done it before in other situations. >_< But in this one I feel particularly dumb for being told how to do something from someone who doesn't even know what's going on. >_<
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 06:47:29 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 30, 2006, 06:58:04 AM
Post by: decoyman on November 30, 2006, 08:26:16 AM
(yeah, I know this is the spoiler discussion thread, but... I can't help myself. If I can't play Zelda, I at least want to read about others playing it.)
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 08:51:47 AM
Anyways... I actually haven't gotten that far in the game myself.
Post by: Caliban on November 30, 2006, 10:47:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
1) I assume that everyone that went into the castle escaped...
2) Midna is cuter cause she's Midna!
3) I took the Zant thing as a more symbolic gesture of Ganondorf's death, but perhaps that'll be saved for another game (Ganondorf doesn't really play off to me as the kind of guy that pretends to be dead)...The Triforce of Power didn't disappear, its power had just been suppressed by the Master Sword...
1) Yeah I guess so, and maybe if I paid more attention to the ending credits I would see them alive.
2) Absolutely, as Reggie would say.
3) To me, Zant was no more than a secondary character, and what is confusing me is if he was a secondary character why is he vital in that cutscene.
I am not completely satisfied with the ending, but I think I get that from every Zelda game.
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 11:50:21 AM
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Post by: Zach on November 30, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
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Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 05:29:32 PM
Post by: madpaintballer on November 30, 2006, 09:58:34 PM
I thought that zant was one of the funniest bosses I've ever fought. I really like the way they did the obligatory summery battle
I really wanted to see Gannon die, maybe I a sadist, but I just wanted to see Gannon fall over dead, like for real, especially after you had to fight him three times
My favorite boss battle was definetly the one on the spinner, as soon as I saw the spinner and what you were supposed to do with it, I immeadiately thought skateboard, it's a shame they didn't come up with more areas to use it, because I really like them
At any rate good times were had by all, I did like how they followed up on all the groups like the ending in LttP Now I gotta watch my Fiance beat it, she's not a gamer but this is the only game on the Wii that she's got any interest in, she's not keen on Wii Sports or Rayman. It's kinda weird really.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2006, 01:09:56 AM
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Originally posted by: madpaintballer
I really wanted to see Gannon die, maybe I a sadist, but I just wanted to see Gannon fall over dead, like for real, especially after you had to fight him three times
You do realize this game takes place between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, right? Needless to say, "dying for good" isn't in Ganondorf's vocabulary...
Post by: Caliban on December 01, 2006, 04:16:26 AM
Edit: whatever
Post by: couchmonkey on December 01, 2006, 04:21:55 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 01, 2006, 06:29:55 AM
See, I'll prove it.
The Legend Of Zelda: Yes.
Zelda II: Adventure Of Link: No. (I don't consider the Game Over screen a real appearance.)
A Link To The Past: Yes.
Link's Awakening (DX): No. (Dethl/Nightmare's brief transformation as him doesn't count.)
Ocarina Of Time: Yes.
Majora's Mask: No.
Oracle Of Ages & Oracle Of Seasons: No/Yes. Because of the way they are linked and played, any one person playing through them both will only encounter him at the end of the second game they play, so it should count as just one of the two games.
Minish Cap: No.
Four Swords: No. (This game was so short, many people don't consider this a true game, but if they did, it's another one that counts against Ganon's number of appearances.)
Four Swords Adventures: Yes.
Super Smash Bros.: No.
Super Smash Bros. Melee: Yes.
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: ? (Even if he is, this could be offset by Four Swords.)
Wind Waker: Yes.
Phantom Hourglass: ?
Twilight Princess: Yes.
Soul Calibur II: No.
CD-i games: Who cares!
Also, until Wind Waker, there was actually a new villain or at least a new form or identity of Ganon.
The Legend Of Zelda: Ganon.
Zelda II: Adventure Of Link: Thunderbird/Dark Link.
A Link To The Past: Agahnim.
Link's Awakening: Dethl (or so the Player's Guide says, but most people just call him the Nightmare)
Ocarina Of Time: GanonDORF.
Majora's Mask: Majora('s Wrath).
Oracle Of Ages: Veran.
Oracle Of Seasons: Onox.
Super Smash Bros. Melee: Giga Bowser.
Four Swords: Vaati.
Wind Waker: Ganondorf! (Gasp, a game with no new villain (or new form of Ganondorf)! And it took this long!)
Four Swords Adventures: Ganon & Vaati. (repeats)
Minish Cap: Vaati. (repeat)
Twilight Princess: Zant.
Soul Calibur II: Inferno.
CD-i games: Probably some weirdoes we don't care about.
So anyone who believes that Ganon must be in every single game is only half right. Technically, if he can maintain his 50/50 split, you'd be just as correct to say that he isn't in any game. o_0
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2006, 07:47:38 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 01, 2006, 09:35:41 AM
Despite my categorization of Zelda into clear "thematic pairs", I've only seen a recent 1up article even come close to the way I view the saga (or rather, sagas).
Will the Link from Twilight Princess have another adventure, and one without Ganon/dorf? I wonder if even Nintendo deliberately means to pair off games like they (mostly) have so far.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2006, 09:47:32 AM
More realistically, the next console game will perhaps take place between Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, and will HOPEFULLY explain what happened in between the said games...
Post by: madpaintballer on December 01, 2006, 09:56:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You do realize this game takes place between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, right? Needless to say, "dying for good" isn't in Ganondorf's vocabulary...
I didn't know the time frame for the game, frankly I didn't care, the way they just left Gannon just standing there with that sword sticking out of his chest. What with the triforce dissapearing from the back of his hand, and sounds he was making, it seemed pretty clear that he had died, yet he stood there. All I can say is his ability to recover put's wolverines to shame, lol.
Okay so for those that've beaten the game Why exactly does Midna destroy the mirror? Also did anyone else think that she was going to say "Link, I....love you"
Post by: wandering on December 01, 2006, 09:56:46 AM
(No, not kidding. I see no reason why a girl couldn't don the green tunic. Actually, the thing's probably better suited for a girl...)
Post by: JonLeung on December 01, 2006, 10:04:09 AM
QuoteGameTrailers.com had a six-part retrospective on The Legend Of Zelda series which was actually pretty good. The sixth part was the most interesting, as they tried to fit everything together using as few different "Links" as possible. But I don't really think continuity is too important, despite some clear references to other games. Within "thematic pairs" as I have called them there is often continuity but beyond that anything goes. This isn't like Metroid (with a clear timeline), even if it's also not like Mario (which, even if it had a timeline, totally doesn't matter).
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'd almost rather they do something they've yet to do, a three-game series for a single Link...More specifically, I'd love to see another toon-shaded console Zelda starring Wind Waker Link...(Perhaps a few years after Wind Waker, with him entering his teens...)
More realistically, the next console game will perhaps take place between Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, and will HOPEFULLY explain what happened in between the said games...
Nintendo may have said they'll release an official timeline one day but I'm not sure it'll enhance our enjoyment of the games much if they ever do. Plus, there may be some retcons.
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Personally, I want to see them follow Miyamoto's suggestion, and make Link a girl.
(No, not kidding. I see no reason why a girl couldn't don the green tunic. Actually, the thing's probably better suited for a girl...)
More like "Linque". Miyamoto also wanted Kirby to be yellow. And Yoshi could've been a pteradactyl. Oh, the weird games people in alternate universes are playing on their Nintendo consoles! Then again they'd be at awe at our male Link, pink Kirby, and saddled fruitosaur Yoshi.
(And maybe in an alternate universe, Ian loved Wii controls for Twilight Princess since the very beginning!)
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2006, 11:04:36 AM
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Originally posted by: madpaintballer
Okay so for those that've beaten the game Why exactly does Midna destroy the mirror? Also did anyone else think that she was going to say "Link, I....love you"
Yes...
I believe she broke it because the only way she could rid her feelings for Link was to permanently destroy the physical bond between them...And yes, I do think it'd be an awesome idea to do one serious game where "Link" was a girl...It'd be a very interesting twist, and there are so many ways interactions between characters could change...
Post by: King of Twitch on December 01, 2006, 04:48:36 PM
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Post by: Caliban on December 02, 2006, 09:01:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: madpaintballer
Okay so for those that've beaten the game Why exactly does Midna destroy the mirror? Also did anyone else think that she was going to say "Link, I....love you"
Yes...
And wasn't it funny how she said "Am I so beautiful that you are without words?!" haha what a side joke on Link and the rest of the gaming comunity that wants him to do such thing.
Post by: JonLeung on December 03, 2006, 09:17:15 AM
At the ending, I was almost moved to tears, not really so much by the ending, but by the Zelda theme...FINALLY. I was wondering where in the game it was and at some point I figured it would be at the end. So of course I was expecting it, but man is music powerful.
Now if someone could tell me how to get the remaining chests in Hyrule Castle that'd be great. I honestly don't see how I'm supposed to get to the ones on the north side of the first floor and also I hate messing with the chandeliers. (I figure that one of those chests will get me a key that I can use to get the remaining chests on an upper floor.) I hate it when I get stumped this bad.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 10:37:12 AM
Post by: Zach on December 03, 2006, 11:24:37 AM
Third try, yay. The first one was just a "what the heck is this hole in the ground" thing, so I was ill equipped. I had not met DarkNuts yet so i made it to that room. If I had lived I couldnt have made it any further anyway since I didnt have the double hookshot. The second time I thought I was well equipped (four fairies), but I still lost too many hearts from the Redead and darknuts that I only went a little bit further.
But now I finally made it. I brought four fairies (one of which I let loose to grab some blu chu jelly, and I had learned better strategy from the second try.
So what did I get for my efforts? great fairy at every fountain to give me fairy tears (limit:can only have one bottle of fairy tears at a time) I will now carry fairy tears at all times to celebrate my efforts.
Post by: JonLeung on December 03, 2006, 03:48:53 PM
I just finished hunting down the Poes.
I'll have to redo the Cave of Ordeals again, though, the farthest I got on my only attempt so far are the three Darknuts. How many more floors are after that? When I heard that for getting all the Poes I could get infinite Rupees, I thought I could use that in conjunction with the Magic Tunic to survive. Turns out that just meant you could get 200 from him repeatedly. >_<
My next strategy is that since I didn't use any bombs or many arrows, I might try using bomb arrows from the ledge above each room to clear out some of the more difficult enemies before dropping down. Those rooms with icy enemies or those with Redeads are real pains. At least I got all the Poes the only time I went through so far, so I should have to deal with them again. Also, I was a little unlucky in one of the rooms with Purple Chu Jellies, so maybe I'll try not to be dependent on them at all.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 04:04:39 PM
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I'll have to redo the Cave of Ordeals again, though, the farthest I got on my only attempt so far are the three Darknuts. How many more floors are after that?.
That's the last floor...
Tip: Use bomb arrows on Redeads and Ice Soldiers from above, and use your Wolf form on the Redead survivors...I've found it's SO much easier to take them on as a wolf...
Post by: Zach on December 03, 2006, 06:09:58 PM
One thing that wasnt really necessary, but I did it anyway was to jump off the edge using the charge A attack (one of the hidden skills). Not only does it look very cool, but sometimes you can actually get a bunch of enemies with the shockwave. (I once caught a bat in mid-air doing this)
Oh, and in the room with the Chus, immediately go for the blue one and scoop it up before it has a chance to merge.
Hope that was helpful. Bills idea sounds good too, I hadnt thought of the bomb arrows.
Edit: FIXED MY SCREWUP Oops, when hitting the darknuts after they lose their armor, I accidentally said spin attack, when I meant back slash, hope I didnt get anyone killed.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on December 03, 2006, 06:27:40 PM
If you want to save on your bombs and arrows, you can also use the Ball and Chain on the Redeads. Two hits, and they're dead. This is also good against those damn spiders.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 03, 2006, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 02:01:09 AM
Thanks for the tips on the Cave of Ordeals, Zach and Bill. (I thought I came up with that bomb-arrow strategy from above myself, though... >_> ...but thanks for confirming it'll take care of some of the pesky guys in particular. I suspected the Chu Jellies were remerging, thanks for confirming that too. One of those Chu Jelly rooms I got really sloppy in. In the first room with them where I decided to drink them for the first time I was lucky to get a Chu Jelly that restored my health all the way, but the next time I got careless and they throttled me and the ones I drank reduced my health all the way down to a quarter of a heart. >_< I also found the Ball and Chain useful in certain situations, but I didn't do too well against the Ice Soldiers (is that what they're called?) when there were several of them at once, so I plan to use the bomb arrows on them especially. Death from above! I think I'll survive next time, now if only there was a place to practice fighting Darknuts. I think they could still slaughter me pretty well. I hate when fighting two or more how I can't lure one away and focus on him, and even if that were somehow possible I'd probably jump back into the range of another so I should probably stop trying to, eh? I still try to focus on one at a time, and the colours will help when fighting three but the one(s) I'm not targetting always seem to get in my way. Do the colours suggest anything about the Darknuts themselves? Is one stronger than another?
Post by: Caliban on December 04, 2006, 03:40:54 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 07:02:51 AM
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Why are the blue chus mentioned so much? What is their importance?
I only ever scooped up the yellow and purple Chus (the equivalent of oil and random amount of health restored/depleted), but I would assume that red and blue Chus when put in a bottle are the equivalents of red and blue potions, both of which restore your health.
Is this really the kind of stuff that needs to be spoileriffied?
Post by: Zach on December 04, 2006, 08:20:15 AM
Your right Jon, probably nobody would care about spoilering this stuff, but its a good idea anyway, for all we know there might be somebody who wants to figure this out for themself.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 04, 2006, 09:10:39 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 04, 2006, 11:44:31 AM
Also the final hidden skill is sort of lame. I wish it was actually shooting your sword. Mortal Draw for the win Best hidden Skill. Also Ball and Chain Best non-standard Weapon.
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 12:31:23 PM
Post by: madpaintballer on December 04, 2006, 12:35:26 PM
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Someone please tell me that there is a third armor before the end of the game.
Also the final hidden skill is sort of lame. I wish it was actually shooting your sword. Mortal Draw for the win Best hidden Skill. Also Ball and Chain Best non-standard Weapon.
As for the armor there's that magic armor that drains rupees instead of health when you get hit
I rather liked the improved spin attack, found it very useful, I agree that the ball and chain rock, though it's a little too slow to be used in regular combat against more than one or two enemies, still it's the best way I think to take out those annoying Ice soldier guys. So what exactly are the bomblings good for?
Post by: Zach on December 04, 2006, 01:40:34 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 02:09:55 PM
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with my experience with the Magic Armor, it slowly drained rupees all the time, even if you werent taking damage
With so many Rupee chests in the game (though I suspect some might actually be a certain type of bomb when you don't have the proper bomb bag) the primary use I had for the Magic Armour was to drain my maximum so I could clear out many chests. :P Though since in the Cave Of Ordeals enemies will drop Rupees instead of hearts, maybe I'll consider using it a few times there. It drains too fast for me to keep wearing it, but it maybe be handy for a couple of the more difficult rooms.
Post by: Ceric on December 04, 2006, 02:29:35 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 04:00:53 PM
Is there any way to carry more than one bottle of Great Fairy's Tears at a time?
Post by: Svevan on December 04, 2006, 04:19:01 PM
Post by: Zach on December 04, 2006, 04:42:47 PM
QuoteThe only way I could think of would be to get fairy tears from the great fairy, and then get the bottle from Jovani. The Fairies wont give you any tears if you already have a bottle, but Im not sure if Jovani would be so stingy. Somebody should try this, it would be really cool to have two bottles of the stuff, even if it is just a one time thing.
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Is there any way to carry more than one bottle of Great Fairy's Tears at a time?
Edit: Of course the next best thing would be blue potion or chu jelly, which you can carry as much as you want, does the exact same thing, except it doesnt increase your attack power momentarily.
Post by: decoyman on December 05, 2006, 04:13:10 AM
Oh, also, Purple Chu juice is dangerous (oh, I guess this was mentioned further up) in that it can give but also also take away your life. I found this out in the Cave of Ordeals, unfortunately, when I drank some and it took my life down to less than one full heart (3/4 I think). Argh!
Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2006, 04:40:34 AM
Purple Chus seem to come when Chus mix, at least from what I saw in the Cave of Ordeals. (I would guess that if the scooped up purple Chu jelly was predominantly blue, it'd heal you all the way, and if some lantern oil was mixed in, it would hurt. Ick. That's pure speculation of the "logic" behind it, of course, though, most likely it's just totally random. I (or rather, Link) drank purple Chu jelly when I (Link) had a quarter of a heart and it "hurt", but it didn't kill me (or Link, rather), much like how in Star Fox 64 Andross can't actually chew you to death.
Post by: decoyman on December 05, 2006, 04:58:23 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2006, 05:11:43 AM
Also, did anyone notice the things you can look at in first-person perspective in the fishing hut? If you look at things Hena (or whatever her name is) will tell you about them. Not only do you get an OoT reference, but a mini-game (that uses the Wii Remote) that will add a few more hours just to complete. I don't know if that's been brought up here yet.
Post by: decoyman on December 05, 2006, 06:24:02 AM
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Post by: White Mage on December 05, 2006, 06:57:53 AM
The one is quite helpful in the Cave of Ordeals, especially if you've used some type of healing item already and are looking for a new one. The Rare Chu in the CoO falls in the center of the other Chu's in the second group of them. You can see a sparkle on the ceiling if you stand on the ledge before you drop down to fight them.
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Post by: ZeldaWarlord on December 05, 2006, 05:08:09 PM
Moderator: I added spoiler tags to your post because you failed to use them. Please do so in the future.
Post by: madpaintballer on December 05, 2006, 09:22:44 PM
As for the Rare chu I actually first encountered it in a cave in hyrule field, and there's a cave on snowpeak that has it too, I get the feeling there are a couple in every area
Post by: ZeldaWarlord on December 06, 2006, 05:06:57 AM
Post by: TMW on December 07, 2006, 10:55:55 AM
I mean, could it be cause hylian/twili crossbreed babies would look really really creepy?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2006, 11:38:43 AM
Post by: TMW on December 07, 2006, 11:43:40 AM
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Well think about it...Since the very beginning Midna had seen Link's determination in finding Ilia, and then after that his determination in recovering her memory (with the not-so-subtley romantic scene after he does so)...It was more Midna realizing she had lost a battle she hadn't even entered...
Hardly! Link didn't cry when he first realized Ilia wasn't dead, unlike when he saw Midna was alive.
Sides, its hardly a reason to cutoff the only pathway to an entire world with whom you've just made REALLY good friends with the leaders of, ya know? The threat was over, everyone is happy, and trade could have flourished between the two kingdoms. Fo reals.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2006, 11:51:59 AM
And as for Midna's case, that's just how strongly she felt for Link, I guess...Breaking the mirror was her only option to break the connection between them!
Post by: TMW on December 07, 2006, 11:58:43 AM
I was halfway hoping the japanese version might explain it a little bit better, but probably not.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2006, 12:08:50 PM
Post by: TMW on December 07, 2006, 12:21:14 PM
Alright, if the entire reason that Midna destroyed the mirror was just so she wouldn't have to watch Link get all lovey dovey with someone else, then thats just crappy storytelling. Considering how well crafted the story was, it doesn't make sense to have a glaring plot hole like that in the epilogue.
Which, as an author, brings one thing to mind...the story isn't over. I'd consider that incredibly stupid if not for this article I just read here http://www.nintendolife.com/articles/2006/11/06/downloadable_content_for_twilight_princess
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2006, 12:36:14 PM
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Post by: ThePerm on December 08, 2006, 04:33:07 AM
"the tribe that was banished to the twilight realm because they used their magic power to gain control of the sacred realm. " In other words the Gerados, and she has red hair and is in some royal line. The only other royalty are the Zora.
For a while in the plot line they made it seem as though ganon had already died and been reborn, that was the first time i really took notice of Midna's hair.
also, Zant was not true king, just ausurper king, Ganon is undeniably the king of darkness, when he had taken over Hyrule castle he said he was both the king of darkness and light
Post by: Nephilim on December 08, 2006, 06:08:27 AM
to think he had the farsight gun from perfect dark!
Post by: Crimm on December 08, 2006, 06:11:43 AM
God I loved that gun.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2006, 08:32:52 AM
The big-bosomed woman who owns the bar! How can you forget her!?
Post by: chaingunsofdoom on December 08, 2006, 09:00:16 AM
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I cleared the Cave of Ordeals! It took me 59 minutes. I used bomb arrows at the feet of the three Darknuts to blast their armour off. Had I known I'd have to be at ground level to do it, I wouldn't've wasted them on the earlier Darknuts from above. But I figured, I was losing, so why not try again? I had two Bomb arrows left and one fairy when I cleared it. In retrospect maybe blue potions would've been better, since I was constantly watching my heart meter anyway.
Is there any way to carry more than one bottle of Great Fairy's Tears at a time?
I played through Ordeals last night and finished it using only one fairy. Tips that people have mentioned here definitely do help: Start with 20 hearts, full bombs/arrows. Use the Wolf to dig-up hearts (you usually get 1-3 hearts, but the dig spots only appear every 3-4 levels or so and there is one level that has a silver rupee for 200 instead of hearts). Use the Ball&Chain for Redeads, tiny skeletons and Ice Creatures. Use the boomerang for bats.
The best way to get the Darknuts is to bomb them as mentioned, but you don't need to use arrows. On level 49/last room, the 2 far ones will start walking towards your perch after you aim one bomb arrow at them. Then all 3 will walk in a circle directly below you. If you drop (don't throw, just use "place" near the edge) regular bombs/water bombs right over the lip, every second/third bomb will blow some armor off one of the trio. The thing I got caught with was one blew his entire armour off before the rest, and his lance launch caught me way up on the ledge and blew me into the room. Oops.
I found it easier to get rid of them one at a time. If they have any armour on, getting them to whack their weapon into the ground gives you a huge opening to whack at them. Getting them after their armor is off is not too hard using the Z lock-on and A + left/right jump/roll to the back move.To answer the multiple carrying of Great Fairy's Tears, it is doable since I currently have 2 bottled in my inventory. Get the first one as usual, and I just got the second one from finishing the Cave of Ordeals.
Post by: Caliban on December 08, 2006, 10:16:59 AM
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The big-bosomed woman who owns the bar! How can you forget her!?
She didn't seem that important to me, and how is she related to the Gerudos?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2006, 11:13:27 AM
More proof that Ganondorf has nothing to do with the Twili...During the cutscene before the final battle, Ganondorf says something to the effect of, "Your people have long amused me..." Keyword: Your...Ganondorf is not related...
Post by: Zach on December 08, 2006, 12:47:44 PM
Now that I think of it, it would make sense for for Telma to be related to the Sheika since she does play a protector role in TP, and does work to protect hyrule and the royal family
Post by: ZeldaWarlord on December 08, 2006, 06:46:50 PM
During the entirety of the game you never really get a glimpse of how Wise Minda really is, but i believe that she is, as the true Twilight Princess, Immensly wise. I think the reason she broke the mirror is because she knew that she loved the light Realm as much as she loved the Twilight, but knew the two could never be the same for the reasons Ganondorf wanted them the same. So even though she loved that Realm, she knew the wisest thing to do would be to sever that bond between the two. Hence why she does it with a Tear, to symbolize the pain that she feels in leaving the realm, and Link, behind.
Post by: Zach on December 09, 2006, 10:06:52 AM
Edit:I hadnt noticed the connection between the Sheikah of OoT and the old lady in that town. Now that I look into it, Zelda's protector in OoT was Impa, and the old lady is Impaz, surely not a coincidence.
Post by: Madcat221 on December 09, 2006, 10:38:46 AM
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I don't like this theory at all...One thing being the number of male-ish looking Twili...And if there's anyone that is of Gerudo-lineage in this game, it's Telma...
I actually think Telma may be a Sheikah, judging from her face tattoos being similar to Impa's, and also on her account of having a vested interest in the well-being of Hyrule, and also because of her express passageway to the castle.
Post by: ThePerm on December 09, 2006, 03:35:11 PM
whose to say lineage goes in one direction? Telma could very well be a sheikah, she is definately a Hylian(ears, as fa as i know the sheikah are merely Hylians that were like Ninja/secret service. Impaz is definitely a reference to Impa. I think the Twili are Gerado related, if there are more genders its because: one-gerado women mate with Hylian males two-being banished to the twilight realm changed them. When the Deku tree died in ocarina he mentioned black magic and evil from the gerados, also Ganon mentioning how he thought the race was amuzing, Ganon is no longer of their race, first he was always an outsider(the only male) second he is immortal and doesn't evolve with them, they have changed he has not like that Nine inch nail song, he has broke up with them, as far as he is concerned he'll be content lording birds, orcs, and pig things
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 10, 2006, 07:00:03 AM
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I have every last piece of heart...
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And I got all 20 hearts too.
Was this accomplished with the assistance of a player's guide? I have never got all heart pieces in a Zelda game. I just don't feel the need to explore every single nook and cranny to find them. If I had a guide, though, I might go for it...
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2006, 07:08:23 AM
EXPLORATION IS BLISS! (Yes, found them without a guide, but some with the help of the Fortune Teller...)
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 10, 2006, 10:28:50 AM
If there is a Fortune Teller in this game that points you toward heart piece locations then that is cool. That might get me to find them all out.
Post by: JonLeung on December 11, 2006, 02:46:12 AM
At least the Poe Souls, Golden Bugs, and fish for the journal give you more to find to make up for the easy-to-find Pieces of Heart.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 11, 2006, 05:08:57 AM
I beat dungeon 3 and I'm almost ready to start 4 with 28 hours under my belt. I like Telma's cat (Louise?) she reminds me of my own cat. Poor Jovani, he'll probably go unsaved, just like the Spider family in Ocarina of Time. Though with my "take it slow" approach, maybe I'll be able to rescue him.Fishing is cool and Hena is cute, but I probably won't spend a lot of time on it. I just don't have the patience to play mini-games more than a few times. I was happy to finally be reunited with Rusl.
Post by: Arbok on December 11, 2006, 06:56:42 PM
Now onto the spoilers:
I fully agree, as others stated, that Ganondorf felt tacked on. He is easily my favorite video game villain of all time, and he really felt like an after thought to the plot here (even if he was behind Zant's rise to power). It gave the whole thing a kind of episodic feeling instead of the epic one that past games like Ocarina of Time and A Links Past had. I also didn't like how happy Castle Town was with their "Castle" imprisoned and would have loved to see it infested with monsters and what not when Ganondorf finally appeared simply to make it seem like he was a major threat.
I generally really liked the story otherwise, though. Midna ended up being a really great character, one of my favorite from the franchise. Zelda kind of got pushed to the way side, though... hell, her interaction with Link is pretty much non-existent in the game.
Oh yeah, also, Midna NEEDS to be in the next Smash Bros as a playable character.
Post by: Svevan on December 11, 2006, 07:36:30 PM
With regards to the twenty hearts, I am missing three heart pieces, four bugs, and something like ten poes. I beat the game with these stats in 45 hours. I guarantee that finding all the crap that's left will take me less than five extra hours, and I also want to say that aside from revisiting each dungeon once after beating it, I didn't feel like I really went out of my way to find heart pieces. This is much unlike Wind Waker where I beat the game missing four or five hearts (not pieces), or Majora's Mask where I can't even fathom where most of them are.
Ergo, I think it is easier to find the heart pieces in Twilight Princess.
Post by: Caliban on December 12, 2006, 02:36:31 AM
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Finally beat the game. A question, though, do you have to just hit reset after beating it? Or is there another way out of 'The End'?
If you wait a 1 minute or 2 the "The End" screen will fade out and the title screen will fade in.
Post by: Ceric on December 12, 2006, 03:56:28 AM
Post by: LandStalkerNigel on December 12, 2006, 04:05:25 AM
So I think on average, 40 hours is about the right number to finish the game
Post by: Arbok on December 12, 2006, 04:11:43 AM
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If you wait a 1 minute or 2 the "The End" screen will fade out and the title screen will fade in.
I waited five minutes and nothing happend... is it because I hit - ever so often and the "Can't Skip" message kept delaying the fade?
Post by: ThePerm on December 12, 2006, 05:01:45 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 12, 2006, 05:20:56 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 12, 2006, 10:11:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2006, 10:33:10 AM
(Stopped playing for MONKEY BALL at that...MONKEY BALL...)
Post by: Ceric on December 12, 2006, 11:01:25 AM
Finals were coming and Monkey Ball came in the Mail. I wanted the next dungeon not a romp around the world. I'll finish it up after finals. Also at that point my biggest draw in the story is well finished. I don't have to save Midna from anything or the little lady, why can't I think of her name, and I just got done with the cool western style level. I just didn't feel drawn to finish it. I don't really have a grudge with Zant or anything like I did with the protagonist in other games. He's evil but he's contained and is no longer messing with me. Midna is a "Day Walker" now. and Zelda is dead, though I never felt attached to her at all. I mean if Zant would go pick on Agitha then he be feeling the pain and I couldn't wait to get to the end to cremate him. *shrug* Same thing happened in WW. Got near the end and then it told me I needed to go find all the Triforce pieces in the Sea. I planned to get back to it but never did. I'll finish TP up because I want to talk about it with everyone even though I hear the ending stinks. (Now on the flipside I hear the ending for WW was wonderful and I'm actually going to put in the time to beat it, after I have a job, just to see.) I guess I just stopped caring. At the beginning I cared a lot but it just boiled to being linear and now its just "find these mirror pieces" but you need to find X x and x first. Which really only has an amnesia to put them together. I mean why couldn't I just ask woman-chicken Ooccoo to begin with. Though I am interested in seeing where they live. I've been finding that the end of games now days tend to be really weak so I don't expect much and that is no longer a draw. In all actuality I don't think I care what happens next because I know that Hyrule is flooded. Though I am looking forward to new spiffy armor and finally meeting a fairy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2006, 11:16:31 AM
In terms of boss hate-ability (made up a new word!), I've never actually felt any harsh feelings for a Zelda boss...The last time I actually felt anger and spite towards a boss was EARTHBOUND...THAT STUPID FAT **** POKEY!
Post by: Ceric on December 12, 2006, 12:27:02 PM
Nvm. Found the Switch. It seems that Hookshot is launched with a great velocity then the arrows who knew.
Post by: JonLeung on December 12, 2006, 03:34:37 PM
Personally, I really didn't like the City In The Sky or whatever the heck that dungeon you're in now is. Ooccoos are freaky, I kept redoing one stupid donut-shaped room, there's a lot of backtracking, and the music will drive you insane.
Now, get past that whole dungeon, and you'll encounter some cool bosses. The eighth boss is way cool, as is the final boss. The ending doesn't suck too badly, just a little short, but one part did move me nearly to tears, as I mentioned. If the story fell to a lull for you, it'll pick up soon. You're close enough to the end, as I said, it'd be a bigger waste of time if you gave up now and your twenty-thirty hours you're probably in already are wasted because you couldn't put in another ten.
Finish it. Go go go. Next time you want to bail out of a game as awesome as any Zelda game, come up with a REAL reason.
Okay, final exams is a good reason. But Monkey Ball isn't a reason. Sure, Monkey Ball is probably fun. But it's no Zelda!
Post by: Leck on December 12, 2006, 03:59:10 PM
Post by: Caliban on December 12, 2006, 04:25:32 PM
Leck: No.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: Zach on December 12, 2006, 05:23:07 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 13, 2006, 01:51:00 AM
However, many of the Zelda games have fallen into the rare "played-at-least-twice" category of my gaming playthrough accomplishments. I've probably played A Link To The Past several times, Link's Awakening a few times, and I played Ocarina Of Time a second time immediately (seriously) after finishing it the first time. And of course, I played the Master Quest version a few years ago. Most other games I've finished twice.
Twilight Princess was good, really good, but I'm probably going to hold off on playing it a second time right away. Too many DS games I want to stay on top of, and I think I'll enjoy Twilight Princess more if I replay it casually later than again so soon.
My brother, who decided to go back to school this year, has been busy with exams and the like, so he wouldn't even look at the screen once when I played Twilight Princess. But when his exams are done he'll spend part of the Christmas break playing Twilight Princess, and I won't mind rewatching several cool Zelda moments with him then. I'll probably tell him when a good time to save would be, and then to backup his saves on the SD card and then on the PC, so if I ever get a good video capture device for my PC (one that accepts component, but Pro 666 says those cost like a thousand bucks) I might be able to do something cool with all the cool scenes.
You know, similar to my Eternal Darkness music video. Fun stuff.
Post by: Ceric on December 13, 2006, 02:15:01 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on December 13, 2006, 09:12:55 AM
ZOMG, Midna's a BABE. I'd so hit that. Too bad she had to destroy the Twilight Mirror and make me very sad so I can never go see her and find out! The end battle was alright, but Wind Waker's end battle reigns supreme in my mind. And I agree that Ganon either shouldn't have been involved at all or given more attention earlier in the game. Zant was a fine evildoer, especially with the mental breakdown and all. I would have liked to see them play that up more earlier in the game. Although, I did want Ganon to die very badly when he emerged from Hyrule Castle with Midna's broken helmet in his hand. In all, I was satisfied with the ending.
And true or false: Midna was about to tell Link she loved him before leaving him forever, but instead said, "See ya later".
Post by: Madcat221 on December 13, 2006, 10:56:10 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 14, 2006, 01:51:07 AM
Or then again maybe not. AndrAIa in ReBoot became kind of a hottie after she grew up quickly. Why does this only happen to the tough little (yet inhuman) girls?
Now, Zelda in this game...she is FINE. Link should hook up with her, but it's probably Ilia he cares about.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 14, 2006, 02:01:17 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 14, 2006, 02:11:02 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 14, 2006, 02:43:31 AM
Or are we all Tingle fans too?I'm only on the fourth dungeon after 31 hours, but I've got 14 Poes, 1/3 of the bugs, and, I don't know, 11-16 heart pieces? I'm glad I'm taking this one slow, I actually have a chance at 100% completion (usually I have so much left to do after I beat the game that I lose interest).
Post by: Ceric on December 14, 2006, 03:07:11 AM
Tingle = Scary
Theres your explanation.
I do enjoy the randomness that Tingle brings.
Plus Tingle is a full middle-age man and Agithat is either in her teens or almost in her teens.
Post by: Madcat221 on December 14, 2006, 08:45:39 AM
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Funny how Agitha gets away with the whole crazy adult-child thing and Tingle doesn't.
Agitha = fully formed good looking woman in a dress.
Tingle = short chubby little man in a spandex suit.
Does that clear things up?
Anyhoo... Tingle returns, albiet in a hidden way. Examine closely the host of the STAR minigame in Castle Town.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 14, 2006, 09:47:15 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 14, 2006, 11:20:01 AM
SHE JUST LIKES BUGS! I recall being enthralled with insects in a similar manner as he back when I was younger, and.......Well I guess that doesn't really help my argument, but still!
Post by: zakkiel on December 14, 2006, 11:35:16 AM
Will Kakariko be repopulated before the end of the game? Just yes or no, please, no details.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 14, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
Post by: zakkiel on December 14, 2006, 12:19:15 PM
Post by: decoyman on December 14, 2006, 12:25:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Madcat221
Anyhoo... Tingle returns, albiet in a hidden way. Examine closely the host of the STAR minigame in Castle Town.
Madcat, I thought the same thing
I'm pretty sure it's Ninty's way of intentionally teasing the Tingle-haters. Look at his outfit, and how, when you first go in for the game and get his introduction, it's all dark. The silhouette looks a lot like Tingle, and then the lights go on and... NOT TINGLE! I chuckled at that. NICE ONE, guys, inside jokes FTW.
Post by: Ceric on December 14, 2006, 04:34:32 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2006, 02:46:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2006, 02:55:15 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2006, 02:59:23 AM
Though supposedly Jessie (from Pokémon) is 12 years old. Yeah...no. 12-year-olds don't have developed bodies closer to someone twice their age. And Team Rocket has shady practices but child labour isn't one of them.
Okay, question that I forgot to ask so long ago...I never noticed that there was a shoe-shine guy in Castle Town until AFTER the snobbish shop converted to the Malo Mart (Castle Branch). Was he always there? Does that mean I could've entered the shop before the conversion, and was there anything good in there?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2006, 03:08:08 AM
As for your question, shoe shine boy is just there as an added easter egg...The store before Malo Mart opens is a hilariously expensive shop with a snooty shopkeeper...
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2006, 03:19:57 AM
I avoided following a walkthrough for this game, though I did look up a few Poe Souls and Golden Bugs. Most FAQs were incomplete anyway. But for all walkthroughs, especially for long games, there should be a section for "One Time Only" or "Limited Time Only" things. I wouldn't mind playing an adventure game like Zelda or an RPG like FF and looking at that section, even if spoilerish, to be sure I can get and see 100% of everything in a single playthrough if possible, without having to constantly follow the walkthrough to a T. I screwed myself up in Chono Cross a few times, and there were many cards I missed in FF VIII. Etc. I shouldn't have to be unable to get things just because I decided to play a game for myself without chaining myself to a walkthrough.
Anyway, is there any way to change the last scent learned from whatever it is (medicine, I think) back to something else? I want my last learned scent to be Ilia's. >_>
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2006, 08:16:44 AM
But alas, there's no way to get it back...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 15, 2006, 08:20:43 AM
After the first time we met Agitha, we immediately began calling her "The Bug Loli".
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2006, 09:22:40 AM
I've never heard so much loli talk before coming to these forums.
Post by: Caliban on December 15, 2006, 09:46:58 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 15, 2006, 10:06:12 AM
Post by: Madcat221 on December 15, 2006, 03:21:23 PM
Post by: Caliban on December 15, 2006, 04:06:10 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 18, 2006, 06:34:20 AM
And the game's been out for a month as of tomorrow. Whoa.
I still have work all this week, so chances are he'll hit a lot of cool moments during work hours when I'm not home to relive them with him. It'd be cool to see if he enjoys the same moments as I did. At the same time, I won't be home to badger him, be over his shoulder, telling him how to do things, and ruining surprises. He might actually enjoy it more himself, and far be it from me to get in the way of someone else's enjoyment of the game.
Post by: IceCold on December 18, 2006, 04:23:01 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 19, 2006, 03:42:53 AM
Then I wondered why he even needs to play the game. The whole premonition thing I say he has? He keeps using it - at least with the story-based parts. He knows what'll happen before it does. The game doesn't exactly NOT foreshadow things, but still! >_< It's like he can see into the future which is why he can't see what's right in front of him sometimes.
For goodness sakes, light the %^*#%! torches already! >~<
He makes the Forest Temple look so difficult. He's gotten everywhere he can WITHOUT yet getting the map, compass, or tool, and since it's been like a month since I played that dungeon, I don't even remember what he should be doing.
I told him he better have finished the Lakebed Temple by the time I get home today. He'll play better without the pressure of me watching.
And this is the guy who didn't play Wind Waker but hit the old guy 500 times for me because he's more skilled with the sword somehow. >_< He also has a reputation of finishing off extra things in games when I can't. Maybe I'll ask him to complete the Rollgoal game on my file.
You wouldn't think two gamers could be so different on the same game.
Post by: Ceric on December 19, 2006, 04:00:19 AM
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Source: Comments from the Fanfic
Also later on Peter goes, "My father already apologized for not running away." Parents were a little to much into Pokemon. Couple with other cartoon influences it was assumed that the father must be missing and at the ripe age of 10 a child was meant to leave the nest and see the world. Also two words in bedding: Total Seal.
Post by: IceCold on December 19, 2006, 04:18:59 AM
QuoteAnd in the same family
You wouldn't think two gamers could be so different on the same game.
It's the same with my brother - sometimes when I'm stuck on a puzzle he walks in and within seconds he figures it out. His brain and way of thinking are just perfect for adventure games, whereas I just can't wrap my head around them sometimes.
Post by: Ceric on December 19, 2006, 04:25:23 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 19, 2006, 04:43:28 AM
Sometimes it's just the way I interpret them like when Zelda was revealed yesterday, he jokingly went, "that's Ganon! LOL" but he hasn't seen that he will possess her at the end of the game. Okay, that's a stretch but because of his track record I'm probably more likely to interpret that as one of his oddball predictions that come true.
Though that happened to me once. I was playing Metroid Prime and was a bit behind where my brother was. I was in the Phazon Mines fighting the Omega Pirate or whatever. At some point I was making a random comment about fighting "Scourge". This was totally in reference to the Transformers G1 character and the Omega Pirate both being blue. My brother looked at me oddly. I didn't find out why until after the fight - when Samus gains the Phazon Suit from him (the black one with red visor), she has the exact same colour scheme as Scourge from Transformers: Robots In Disguise, which had been airing at the time. o_0 Very uncanny that an oddball comment that was so random in the first place made sense when the context was maintained. And yet, similar statements by my brother are more commonplace.
I'll call him later today and see if he lit the unlit torches yet. >_>
Post by: SixthAngel on December 19, 2006, 06:38:05 AM
Since everybody here loves lolis did anybody else think the great topless fairy looked about 14?
What do you type in for spoiler text?
Post by: JonLeung on December 19, 2006, 06:59:51 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2006, 07:53:28 AM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2006, 10:03:50 AM
I'll denote some parts of the game that I really loved (I won't be able to get all of them, but maybe I'll post more later as I remember them), then ending impressions and problems I had with the game.
Malo Mart once it opens in town. I was expecting to go in to a normal store, and suddenly HAPPY DANCING CONSUMERS and the moonwalking vendor? Awesome. Also more hilarity when I went back to Kakariko and the Goron elders were doing the dance.
The Western-style battle in the Sheikah ghost town, and then the hilarious follow-up minigame with the cats. I love that they derive such enjoyment from just talking to you
Beating the fifth dungeon (Snowpeak Ruins), with the lovely cut-scene with the Yeti couple. My friend (who was watching) and I cracked up at that. I like the two of them in general, too, and sledding against them is tons of fun.
Also in Snowpeak Ruins, the miniboss! It was the ball and chain knight from Link to the Past and Link's Awakening! Fun battle with total nostalgia, but even cooler when I discovered that I GOT THE BALL AND CHAIN.
The minibosses in general, really. I loved all of them, and the lack of minibosses was, in my opinion, the biggest flaw in Wind Waker.
Getting the spinner and realizing how awesome that boss was gonna be. Really wanted more spinner-centric areas, though. It had morph ball puzzle potential, really. Maybe a cool minigame with it, similar to the sledding thing.
Kind of earlier, but beating the Goron Mines and having it become sort of populated again. Oh, and hitting the pole on top of the lookout tower on the first try, and without the scope. Wiimote ftw.
Iron Knuckles hella yes. While the fighting in this was incredible, and I loved all the combat, I still felt Wind Waker's was more fun. The swordfighting in Wind Waker felt more natural and the items in Wind Waker could be used to better effect in combat than those in TP. I also love constantly toggling with the camera; one of my favorite things in Wind Waker was taking the helmet off of a Darknut while zooming around with the camera. Anyway, both are really great, but Iron Knuckles really stand out in how excellent they are to fight. Most of the enemies in TP felt too easy, I could kill a horde of enemies with one swing of the Master Sword, but Iron Knuckles were really satisfying, and I wish there had been more like them.
Boss battles, needless to say. Armaghoma, the Stalfos Lord, Diababa, and the dragon (whose name slips my mind) all stand out.
My favorite one, though? Zant. I LOVED that battle. Hands down one of my favorite Zelda bosses ever. Both the interesting revisiting of past bosses and his crazy, quirky behavior. Zant was such a cool enemy.
Also, all the minigames. And I've really enjoyed fishing a lot more than I thought I would. Hena is adorable (I said she was cuter in that picture).
And now ending stuff:
Interesting. It felt kind of abrupt, especially considering how long the game is. Also, as Bill noted, absolutely no connection to what happens prior to Wind Waker, which I would have liked.
Fighting Ganondorf was great, all four stages were awesome. I died on the Ganon stage, took me forever to get Midna's grip right (I was diving forward instead of waiting), but I beat it after that. Horseback awesomeness and quite a good finale. I absolutely loved the shot of the sun setting with the silhouettes of Zelda and Link looking at Ganon, standing (in some sense at least) lifeless.
Also, I think the Zant cut-away had something to do with what he said about his god resurrecting him. When Ganondorf lost his power, Zant died for good.
Midna is quite beautiful, yeah. Love the art on the first page of the instruction manual, but glad I didn't see it till after I beat the game.
Every Zelda game seems to have some tragic quality to it. Midna leaving and breaking the bond between the two worlds. That scene was beautifully done. It felt, well, tragic.
Credits stuff was good, of course, and Link riding home. I like Ilia, though I wouldn't be able to decide between her and Midna. She looks a bit odd, but I still like it. Hena is cutest, though. I hope we see another game with this Link.
Going to beat it again soon, of course, and I'll watch the ending again. But that's what I have to say for now.
Problems:
My biggest gripe is the story. And not the story itself, which I like well enough, but how it's told. It's told almost exclusively in cut-scenes, and almost entirely: after the first three dungeons, after the fourth dungeon, and after the seventh and eighth dungeons. There are severe story draughts. Whereas some games succeeded very well in continually telling the story (Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and Link's Awakening), Twilight Princess (and OoT and LttP suffered from this too) felt too disconnected, in terms of how the story advanced.
On the other hand, I'm partially to blame. I played the first dungeon, didn't play at all for a week, played the next two and then waited another two weeks before I started playing again (and then it took me about a week to finish the game).
I'm going to play through again sometime, but as of now this still seems a problem to me.
I also feel like there weren't enough characters. We had a few memorable characters, most of whom played an important role, but aside from characters like Agitha, Jovani, the mailman, the two clowns at Hyrule Lake (all of whom serve some distinct purpose) there weren't any memorable characters. Castle Town was great, with all the hustle and bustle, but unlike Ocarina's Kakariko Village or Wind Waker's Windfall, very few characters had any importance. I'd like to see a more diverse cast of individuals (although I may point out that the individuals who are in the game are awesome), and have Link help certain characters in some way. Not enough dynamic characters.
Also, in conjunction with this problem, there are certain areas that I didn't feel connected with, because they didn't make those areas involved as they could have been. Ordon was fine at first, but after you leave there's virtually no reason to go back there, unless you want to just hang out or herd goats. The Goron place in OoT felt very special, because there was a lot to do there. Here, all you had to do there was wrestle and beat the second dungeon. All you do in the Zora Domain is unfreeze everything, and later use it as a bypass to Snowpeak. These areas are brilliantly designed (and Zora Domain is visually gorgeous), but they're relatively empty.
Anyway, the game was still absolutely brilliant. The art design, every single inch, was spectacular. The environments were beautiful. The characters were great. The enemies were fun to fight, and the bosses were awesome. The music was beautiful (especially at night, on the field). I could go on and on about why I loved the game. It's one of the best games I've ever played.
But it's not my favorite Zelda, and I don't know that it would even surpass Wind Waker.
Now after that huge post, a questions and such:
Reading through this thread, I'm quite proud of myself. I made it through every dungeon with relative ease (I only really felt challenged in Hyrule Castle, and then only occasionally), without any help whatsoever. I collected nearly everything without help (after I beat the game, lacking only four heart pieces, I continued to collect them: I now have all of them. I used the fortune teller four times: once to find out what she did (she showed me the donations guy, so at the time I didn't realize what it meant), once to see a heart I already knew about, and twice to actually find two I had missed (in dungeons).
I only need ten more poes.
I beat the Cave of Ordeals without any outside help. I had to go through twice, because I didn't have the item I needed to continue the first time. I did not die when I played all the way through, though it was a challenge.
I'm missing only two bugs. This is the only problem I have right now. I'm missing a pair, and I don't know where to find them. I've looked everywhere. It's the top of the middle column (on the bug menu), so if somebody could give me a hint, that'd be great. No specific locations, though, thanks.
I'll say more later, if I have anything to say. Sorry for making such a MASSIVE POST, hope someone is willing to read through it
EDIT: SixthAngel and I are looking for the same bugs.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 19, 2006, 10:23:40 AM
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Can we just end this discussion? Zelda > all other females in this game.
My favourite is probably a tie between Zelda and Hena.
Man, even Hostile beat me! I'm at the 46 hour mark, and only because I've been home sick from work the past two days.
After dungeon 6, I just re-powered the Dominion Rod. I really liked the Snowpeak Ruins (is it Snowpeak? Well, you know what I mean.) Catle Town Malo Mart is as disturbing/hilarious as Malo himself. I wish the bosses were a little harder, I found the mini-boss in the Temple of Time harder than most of the actual bosses. Probably because I kept trying to use all my fancy sword attacks on him when all I needed to do was wait for the right moment to strike. I'm having a hard time finding more Poes. I'm up to about 33 now.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2006, 11:22:11 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on December 19, 2006, 12:26:46 PM
Yeto has to be my favorite character. I still hold out hope that you get to ride him in the future since his hat is a freaking saddle.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
Thanks, though
Are there only sixty poes in the whole game? I have a nasty feeling that there are.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2006, 01:17:07 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2006, 02:37:31 PM
Something else I found interesting (near ending spoilers):
The big goblin (moblin?) (who you either fight three times, or who looks remarkably like the other two you fought) who talks to you when you fight him, in Hyrule Castle. Not only does he talk, and make an interesting comment, but they even took the time to have Midna point it out. He's also shown riding across a field, in the credits. I thought this part was awesome, even though I had no idea why they included it. I love mysteries like that. Anyone have some ideas?
I figured it was maybe to give some humanity to an enemy, but it may have been something more than that.
Post by: Caliban on December 19, 2006, 03:55:08 PM
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Also, I think the Zant cut-away had something to do with what he said about his god resurrecting him. When Ganondorf lost his power, Zant died for good.
Huh?! lol, I never even considered that option, but it is alot more credible than Zant killing off Ganon.
Just from reading your huge post I feel like playing the game again, but I have 10 other games to finish lol.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2006, 07:30:03 PM
I got the last two bugs and two more poes. Eight left and I've completed everything in the game except for some fishing things (need a Hylian loach, and I want to fish more in Hena's lake; also haven't finished the roll game levels, but I'll doubtlessly do that; I finished every slidey puzzle in Link's Cabana in Wind Waker. The lamps all go dark again when you finish, if you're curious). As far as I know it's everything, anyway.
Post by: BlkPaladin on December 19, 2006, 07:48:12 PM
Yeah I beat the game two weeks ago. And just two days ago I decided for no reason to read through the the instruction manule and look at the art. When I saw the character collage I thought those sneaky.....
Post by: matt oz on December 20, 2006, 08:26:15 AM
Almost every time I try to jump, I fall, because Link isn't lined up exactly right, because there's no accurate camera control. It's like playing on the N64 again, with only one control stick. I like having total camera control, and it just really bugs me to only use the Z button. In the Goron Mines, I kept falling. In that maze of tunnels in Lake Hylia, I kept falling (and going back to the beggining, no thank you).
Oh, and now I'm at the Palace of Darkness. I got the Sol, brought it outside, then when I tried to go back inside, I couldn't take it in. So I thought it'd be back in the room with the hand, so I went back there, but it wasn't there, and so I got stuck in that room. I know that when I go back to the game, I'll be at the entrance, but still, it's frustrating to get stuck somewhere in a game, particularly a Nintendo game.
With the exception of the Dragon in the sky dungeon every boss has been ridiculously easy to beat, and offered no real challenge. I'm having more fun playing Portrait of Ruin on the DS because I actually have to be quick and smart to beat the bosses.
I don't like the way the story has progressed. I'm completely lost. I got all the Fused Shadows, without really knowing why, then before I can do anything with them, they're gone. So why did I collect them? Why didn't I just try to find The Mirror of Twilight in the first place? And what happened to Zelda? I didn't really understand what she did with Midna. Did she sacrifice herself? There's these long lulls without any story, then a cutscene that I don't understand. Why did Ganondorf appear all of a sudden? That came out of nowhere, and I really have no idea what his connection to the story is.
And why, when I'm a wolf, can Midna only help me jump to high places when SHE decides to let me? Why can't I do it when I want to? That's a huge limitation in this game. Yeah, it would probably eliminate the need for the hookshot if I could reach high places whenever I chose, but I've always hated the hookshot. Having two made it more fun, but that was short lived.
Yeah, and sword controls are stupid. I said it. I don't feel more immersed in the game by waving my arm. It's so gimmicky. The aiming with the remote is great, but I prefer a button for sword control.
Although I didn't read Gamespot's review (but I did read people's reactions to it), I'm thinking they were pretty fair in giving this a rating in the 8s. It's not perfect by any means, but for an action-adventure title, it's better than most.
Post by: SixthAngel on December 20, 2006, 10:12:26 AM
The last battle with Ganon had to be one the best game experienes ever. I was surpised to see him come and wasn't sure if I liked it at first but he really stole every scene. I thought when he killed one of the sages it was cool but when he comes out of the castle holding Midna's helmet on his horse I was sold. Each of his forms was great and I love his design, especially how he had the giant sword wound on his chest.
Link really gets screwed when it comes to triforce powers, all it really lets him do is become a wolf in the twilight, while Ganon can seemingly do anything. I guess he did have some magic besides the triforce though.
They find a way to keep the game fresh as you hit the later dungeons. They stop being dungeons/temples and start being their own places, like the Yeti's house, or Oocacoo's home. This really keeps them interesting. There is a sense of humor mixed in as well like when defeat Gohma and he becomes a tiny spider or when you replay the western scene with all the cats.
I can't imagine playing any levels that involve the double clawshot with a gc controller. Without the wii remotes aim I would have been incredibly frustrated.
I liked the darknuts and three at once can be tough but my most hated enemy by far are the new redeads. In the great fairy's trial you can only attack them once every 5 minutes because you are contantly in scream-freeze. I had to equip the magic armor just so the five of them wouldn't take out most of health. The room with the poe and redeads was even worse.
In conclusion I would say possibly the best game ever.
Post by: RiskyChris on December 20, 2006, 10:31:03 AM
I was smiling for about an hour afterwards. =)
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 20, 2006, 11:56:31 AM
Though I do agree that most of the bosses were too easy. We need more Metroid Prime style bosses (I hate Castlevania). Also, the Fused Shadows sort of make sense later. But you should know that it's just an excuse to have dungeons. Why on earth did you collect those jewel things in OoT when all they did was let Ganondorf take over the world? It's a dumb question with an obvious answer.
For ReDeads, SixthAngel, I would recommend projectile weapons, particularly bomb arrows. The wolf is also very effective against them.
I've caught one of every fish now. I have seven poes left, and I've been playing the roll game. I'm on level 1-8 I believe. It got infuriatingly difficult a lot sooner than I expected it to (spent over 500 rupees on it).
Post by: Caliban on December 20, 2006, 02:21:03 PM
I still need 3 bugs, 12 pieces of heart, and 20 poes, oh and the lures too.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 20, 2006, 06:02:02 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 20, 2006, 08:13:48 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Is there any way to carry more than one bottle of Great Fairy's Tears at a time?
Game completed....
Yes I have two in my inventory now...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 21, 2006, 01:12:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
That's a joke, right? Riiiiight!?
no, I think Zelda looks better (aside from Wind Waker, that one is set alone) but what I was talking about right from your comment above, is how I feel, they are cute, but not as cute looking as previous games.
Post by: Mario on December 21, 2006, 04:57:11 PM
Unlike other Zelda games I can't be arsed getting 100% in this, don't know why, maybe I just need a break. Overall the big disappointment is the lack of good original tunes. Majoras Mask, Wind Waker and even Minish Cap have superior music, though the TP overworld theme is AWESOME
I felt sorry for Midna, she wanted Link to stop her leaving and make her his own, then after she left and the mirror broke I realised she's going to be alone for the rest of her life, after all she had been through. Link had his choice of the ladies and it seems as though in the end he didn't choose ANY. See Ilia just waiting there? Then he rides off. Perhaps to Zelda? Or on another adventure?
Oh yeah, lack of Tingle prevents this from being the best Zelda ever. I was so hoping he would pop up somewhere. The postman is AWESOME though! Malo Mart is also the funniest thing ever
Post by: RiskyChris on December 21, 2006, 05:22:03 PM
Also, it was not nearly as hard as people led me to believe.
Post by: Famicom on December 21, 2006, 11:38:45 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 22, 2006, 05:30:16 AM
Post by: Martin Q. Blank on December 22, 2006, 05:51:02 PM
Post by: Dasmos on December 22, 2006, 11:34:05 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 23, 2006, 03:03:49 AM
I believe Nintendo likes to keep Link a free adventurer. He never hooks up or settles down, and is always off for the next thing. Hence him riding off (without a sword? :p) at the end. It's been like that since Link's Awakening I believe.
It is also quite clear that the two worlds cannot mix or bad things happen (or at least that's a theme of the game) so there's that sacrifice at the end.
Ok, next... is it just me or does every Zelda game as of late have some insurmountable task that there just to piss me off. OoT had the runner (now commonly the mailman). TP has that locked door in Ordon Village. Can you EVER get into that house?? (Yes or No will suffice)
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2006, 04:05:29 AM
I actually found something behind Colin's house, but I'm not sure how to get in. There appears to be a free-standing 100 piece rupee, or so it seems. Shall investigate further.
Post by: JonLeung on December 23, 2006, 10:02:40 AM
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I was horribly disappointed when I aquired all 60 poes. ONLY 200 RUPEES!!! I just felt a giant collect-a-thon like that deserved something special at the end.
No, Dasmos. The reward is greater than that. But not much. Talk to Jovani again at the bar, then return to his house. You can get 200 more Rupees. Leave the Castle Town and come back, and you can get another 200. Essentially, infinite Rupees but 200 at a time.
Okay, it still sucks, since there are plenty of Rupees in the game and not much to buy. If you use the Magic Armor a lot maybe it's useful, I don't know. Still for completion's sake, it's nice to have the Poes in there, since the Fortune Teller makes Piece Of Heart collecting too easy.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2006, 10:53:46 AM
Post by: Caliban on December 23, 2006, 11:45:13 AM
Post by: Dasmos on December 23, 2006, 03:04:11 PM
QuoteOh ok, that's a little better, but useless seeing as I have no more need for rupees.
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
I was horribly disappointed when I aquired all 60 poes. ONLY 200 RUPEES!!! I just felt a giant collect-a-thon like that deserved something special at the end.
No, Dasmos. The reward is greater than that. But not much. Talk to Jovani again at the bar, then return to his house. You can get 200 more Rupees. Leave the Castle Town and come back, and you can get another 200. Essentially, infinite Rupees but 200 at a time.
Okay, it still sucks, since there are plenty of Rupees in the game and not much to buy. If you use the Magic Armor a lot maybe it's useful, I don't know. Still for completion's sake, it's nice to have the Poes in there, since the Fortune Teller makes Piece Of Heart collecting too easy.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2006, 03:38:14 PM
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2006, 04:18:31 PM
Post by: JonLeung on December 23, 2006, 04:35:37 PM
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Caliban: It goes up to 1-8. That's where you get the frog lure. I don't think it goes any higher, but I'm not sure. That level is hard as hell, though.
I heard it goes up to 8-8 (hence the purpose of the first digit). Beating 1-8 gets you the frog lure. Supposedly when you beat 8-8 Hena gives you enough money to fill your wallet - yet another lame reward, but I guess for completion's sake some people will attempt it.
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 23, 2006, 06:35:13 PM
The ending was great. It left me with some questions (though this thread gave me some answers), but overall it was just really neat.
I still have a lot left to do if I want beat it 100%. This includes fishing, finding poes, finding heart containers, beating the STAR game some more, the Cave of Ordeals and some other misc. things. I honestly do not know if I will go back and finish it all simply because it seems more like work than fun.
I have some questions though. First off, Impaz said her people built the town she lived in. Didn't the Shiekah build Kakariko? But Kakariko already exists within the game. Secondly, I seem to remember Midna saying something to the effect of "See you later, Link" before she broke the mirror. If this is true, how can she ever see them again? (Maybe Zelda said this...)
Post by: Shecky on December 24, 2006, 06:34:33 AM
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I began to hate rupees as I progressed through the game, and did anyone else feel the five heart pieces had less of an impact? Sure there's more now but it's not as big a deal when you get one.
I'll give them credit for trying to introduce money sinks. I actually liked how bombs had to be in chests or purchased. I think they over inflated things a bit though on some of the other items. There are a lot of 100 and 50 rupee chests, and any quest item can only cost 300 or less.
They increased it to 5 pieces per heart just so they could put a couple of pieces in each dungeon. As a result you run into them more often. The problem is that there isn't much else to reward the player with besides rupees and heart pieces.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 28, 2006, 10:03:10 AM
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I still have a lot left to do if I want beat it 100%. This includes fishing, finding poes, finding heart containers, beating the STAR game some more, the Cave of Ordeals and some other misc. things. I honestly do not know if I will go back and finish it all simply because it seems more like work than fun.
I have some questions though. First off, Impaz said her people built the town she lived in. Didn't the Shiekah build Kakariko? But Kakariko already exists within the game. Secondly, I seem to remember Midna saying something to the effect of "See you later, Link" before she broke the mirror. If this is true, how can she ever see them again? (Maybe Zelda said this...)
Possible answer:
I think Impaz's village is the REAL Kakariko from OOT, and Kakariko is a newer village. I guess that might seem odd, but no worse than the way places and objects move over time in the Zelda series anyway...like the Temple of Time being in the woods in the south of Hyrule.
BIG IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Did anybody notice which of the Sages Ganon killed? I think maybe it was forest, but I can't remember the symbols for sure.
Boss opinions:
Zant was TOTALLY AWESOME. Favourite fight of the game. I didn't think Ganon felt that tacked-on - it's just more like the olden days of gaming where they don't reveal the boss until you get to the end. I agree that the story could have been clearer at times, though.
Ganon as a boss was totally cool and fun, but too easy. I know a lot of people disagree on this - but I thought the Wind Waker Ganon battle was actually really tough - just as hard or harder than Ocarina. Twighlight Ganon was not that hard...he's probably the toughest boss in the game, but not by a wide margin. I love the light/dark contrast in the Ganon and Zelda vs. Link and Midna fight.
Ending opinion:
Like others here, I was surprised and a bit disappointed that it didn't explain what happened between the Ocarina and the Wind Waker. Especially after Midna made a reference to Link doing all this work and not getting any recognition (when he was in the twighlight, saving the children in Kakariko, I think). I really thought he was going to wind up having to compromise and flood Hyrule in order to beat Ganon. I still like the ending, but I think Nintendo was too scared to write an ending where Link sort of fails, and that's a shame.
I have to agree with those who don't like Midna destroying the mirror. Frankly, I think Nintendo was just trying to make the scene more emotional without much regard for the story. I agree with Bill that the motivation is supposed to be that Midna's in love with Link but it can't work out - but I'm just not convinced that Midna would do that.
Oh yeah, the Gerudos-are-Twili theory. The Gerudos practiced magic, which is why the Twili were banished. The Gerudos are nowhere to be found - and they lived in the desert where the Mirror is. The Mirror was used to cast out Hyrule's criminals, which the Gerudos were kind of considered. The Twili apparently had a leader that went "bad", which is true for Ganondorf. I don't know if Nintendo really intended the Twili to be the Gerudos, there is conflicting evidence that some others pointed out, but there's a lot of evidence in favour, too. I bet Nintendo purposely meant it to be vague.
Final thoughts: I love the game and it's in contention with Wind Waker as my favourite in the series. It fixed a lot of Wind Waker's faults, though it has a few of its own. I personally wish it had tied in with OOT/WW a little more (although I appreciate Nintendo's dedication to making each game's story complete on its own)
Looking forward, I can't wait for Phantom Hourglass, I hope it does something really important with the story - that ending scene with the Pirate ship heading off just BEGS for a great adventure. New Hyrule? I'm not all that psyched for a Twighlight Princess sequel, to be honest. I'd actually like to see Nintendo explore a brand-new story later on in the timeline instead of more Ocarina "sequels". Either that or a Majora's Mask-style side-story.
Phew, sorry for the huge post.
Post by: Mario on December 28, 2006, 11:56:37 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 28, 2006, 12:15:50 PM
Post by: Adrock on December 28, 2006, 12:48:21 PM
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couchmonkey wrote:
BIG IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Did anybody notice which of the Sages Ganon killed? I think maybe it was forest, but I can't remember the symbols for sure.
Answer:Ganondorf killed the Water Temple Sage
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Boss opinions:
Zant was TOTALLY AWESOME. Favourite fight of the game. I didn't think Ganon felt that tacked-on - it's just more like the olden days of gaming where they don't reveal the boss until you get to the end. I agree that the story could have been clearer at times, though.
Zant seemed like fake Kefka (FFVI) to me. He was cool until he ended up being (literally) a clown. Nintendo dropped the ball on his character design. Anyway, my favorite boss was "Twilight Fossil: Stallord."
I agree, Ganondorf wasn't tacked on. He was just less of a character than he was in Wind Waker and I found it hard to take him seriously as the big villain of the game since there was no character development or explanation for most of what he did in the game. Really, a lot of the plot needed to be explained and that was its major downfall followed closely by Nintendo's reliance on the two worlds mechanic.
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Ending opinion:
Like others here, I was surprised and a bit disappointed that it didn't explain what happened between the Ocarina and the Wind Waker.
My thoughts exactly. I was waiting for it the whole game. At the end, I was thinking Link would jump into the portal, thus explaining why there was no hero before the flood. Twilight Princess, being the game it was, could fit anywhere in the timeline (even though there technically isn't really one to begin with).
My major problem with the ending was that it left too many questions unanswered. The Water Temple Sage was killed off, but the Sages don't do ANYTHING. Who the hell are they? Where did they come from (they don't seem like Saria and the others)? How did Ganondorf get out of the Sacred Realm? How did the sages capture him and why of all places would they chain him to the Twilight Realm portal? What's the deal with the City in the Sky legend? What happened to Ganondorf after Link stabs him? What happened to Hyrule Castle after it explodes? And so on...
The game was amazing though I felt certain aspects were lacking. The fighting system is significantly deeper. That's great, except you barely run into an enemy who requires any effort whatsoever. The art design ranged from excellent (i.e. Link, Imp Midna, Zelda, Ganondorf) to what-the-hell (i.e. Yeto, Yeta, Zant-sans-Helmet, Human Midna). The wolf transformation was cool in the beginning of the game... too bad, your skills don't evolve.
I also feel like Nintendo is still telling 16-bit stories. The plots of Zelda games in general haven't evolved much past "Ganondorf is at it again. Uh oh, spagetti-o..." Then, Link collects some sh*t, fights an easy final boss (or in Twilight Princess' case, 4 easy final bosses in a row) and everyone is all ginger peachy at the end. If Nintendo is going to attempt to tell deeper stories, the series needs voice acting. Link must remain mute, everyone else should not. Telling a story through text is simply outdated. Zelda games should never have 15 minute cut-scenes. My point is hearing Midna's brief gibberish talk then seeing her facial expression, then reading "ZANT!!!" doesn't draw me in. It takes me out of the game.
There are a ton of missed opportunities. The Lost Village and City in the Sky segments left a lot to be desired. I spent half the game wondering what this legend about the City in the Sky was only to find out they're a bunch of birds with creepy quasi-human faces. The game kind of just fizzled at Snowpeak for me. It felt so familiar, just like every other Zelda title.
Post by: Mario on December 28, 2006, 12:56:39 PM
The story isn't that simple, use your imagination. Midna was in the game remember? Ginger peachy at the end? Did you even finish the game?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 28, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
I stopped reading here...
Post by: Caliban on December 28, 2006, 01:23:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Telling a story through text is simply outdated.
You're going to have an angry mob of book readers wanting to whip your ass. Not me btw, oh wait I read manga, so I guess I'm one of them too.
Post by: mantidor on December 28, 2006, 01:38:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"If Nintendo is going to attempt to tell deeper stories, the series needs voice acting."
I stopped reading here...
After being really impressed by Midna's delightful speeches I feel like beating with a stick anyone who suggests any kind of voice acting different from an unintelligible language like the one Midna used. It really started with the MM and certain sounds, it was refined in Wind Waker and it was made deeper in TP, the next Zelda will more than likely offer more extensive dialogues in this fashion for more NPCs, but a real language will never be used, and I couldn't be more glad, because that would suck.
Post by: RiskyChris on December 28, 2006, 03:15:03 PM
It's fun to make voices in your head based on the little snippets you hear from them (i.e. mailman!).
Post by: Adrock on December 28, 2006, 05:14:34 PM
Allow me to rephrase. Telling a story in a videogame through text is outdated.
I like reading, but I don't play videogames to read. I paid $50 to play. The plots in Zelda games aren't especially engaging (insert flame here), but Nintendo is clearly trying to make them more so. That's why I'm sitting through five minute cutscenes which are often vague and not necessarily enlightening. Those cutscenes pull me away from actually playing the game. Something has to draw me back in. I think voice acting can bring life to a character. I don't want to read through a cutscene. That pulls me further away from playing. I know I don't have to read the text, but it's there and I can't skip the clip entirely even if I want to.
I'm not saying voice acting will make the plot better. Simply, I think, if done well, it can make the cutscenes more engaging which would draw me back into the game. Or perhaps Nintendo just needs better writers.
I suppose my main gripe is with the cutscene as a whole. It's not necessarily the lack of voice acting, as it is the presence of bulk text. In a videogame, I would prefer voice acting for reasons provided already. At the same time, I'd be more inclined to accept text in cutscenes if I was given less of it. For example, the scene in Ocarina of Time when Link leaves the forest for the first time is a powerful scene, one of the best in any videogame and it's done with a minimum of dialogue.
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Mario wrote:
Just like every other, NO. Majoras Mask, Wind Waker, Minish Cap are all COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Every Zelda plays out exactly the same way. Disordering event --> Link collects artifacts from themed dungeons --> Fights final boss
Along the way he'll learn about some legend and possibly attain a powerful new sword, most likely the Master Sword.
Zelda games are predictable. It's the same structure every time. Predictability makes a game worse. It does NOT make a game bad.
Chill pills for everyone! Sorry, I found fault in your precious Zelda. You're all too busy flaming me to miss the part where I said the game was amazing. See, "amazing" is a positive adjective. Twilight Princess can be both flawed and a good game.
Post by: Caliban on December 28, 2006, 05:35:18 PM
We have always played Zelda more for the gameplay, it's true that adding plot elements to increase your determination for your journey is a necessity, and most certainly it would be nice if we could actually hear the drama that occurs in a Zelda game, however that won't happen until Miyamoto dies, and even after that I don't think there will be such change.
If anything I would choose the gibberish used for Midna as a method to transmit that drama, but text would still have to appear because we obviously can't understand the Hylian, Twilian, Zorian, or Gorian language.
Post by: WindyMan on December 28, 2006, 06:55:59 PM
In my frustration in trying to get into Fado's house in Ordon (the door that's always locked), I stumbled across the location of some hidden rupees. They are on top of Rusl's house (the one by the mouth of the town stream). To see them, you need to climb to the top of the Mayor's house as a human, transform into a wolf and then howl next to the hawk grass up there. The hawk will point you toward an impossible-to-get-to area. Or is it?!?
Three things:
1) How the hell do you get on top of that house?
2) Once there, can you go anywhere else?
3) Perhaps it's a way to get inside Fado's house?
I spent well over an hour doing this (and I didn't even realize it) so if anyone wants to give it a crack, be my guest.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 28, 2006, 06:58:34 PM
Post by: Mario on December 28, 2006, 07:17:11 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on December 28, 2006, 07:18:31 PM
Post by: mantidor on December 28, 2006, 07:45:10 PM
The ball and chain for example, was the remote used with this item by waving it around your head a la rayman?, or the boomerang by pulling the controller and "throwing" it? or the dominion rod? they way Link used it it seemed a lot like playing baseball.
Post by: Mario on December 28, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 28, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
Oh, and mystery about the rupees on and behind Rusl and Uli's house solved...Just use your boomerang...
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 29, 2006, 10:51:38 AM
(Only after beating Dungeon 7)
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 11:00:35 AM
Thanks.
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 29, 2006, 12:26:57 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 29, 2006, 12:51:49 PM
Post by: Artimus on December 29, 2006, 12:59:35 PM
I love the characters too, they're so well designed.
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 01:07:10 PM
Sad to say, I don't have a clue on that one either.
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 29, 2006, 01:32:31 PM
Oh, and I just found the roll game. It is so freaking tough. The first levels are fine, but the seventh (with the two red sloping sections) is just torture.
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 01:35:44 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 29, 2006, 02:02:44 PM
Hint: Hook & Drop, Ride & Jump!
Hint: When it appears you have hit a deadend, go ahead and fall! Have faith in Link's grip!
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 02:26:38 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 29, 2006, 06:38:39 PM
Shall go after those chests sometime, though I imagine they just contain rupees I really don't need. Must find the other seven poes sometime, though.
Post by: Smoke39 on December 30, 2006, 02:45:09 AM
ball and chain = best new Zelda item ever!!
magic armor (tied with the cave of ordeals prize) = biggest dissapointment ]:<
final Ganon fight = best boss (even though it was really easy, I was so happy that it was a no-nonsense 1 on 1 sword fight rather than some stupid gimmick)
I had no problem with needing 5 heart pieces to complete a new heart. I always like finding heart pieces. I hate how many chests have rupees in them. I'd be wandering around, find a hidden chest and then, what? Oh goodie, more money! But your giant wallet's still full 'cause there's nothing to spend any more rupees on! Better put it back for now lol!
I'd like to keep playing, but I'm not sure that there's anything left to do that's actually interesting (trying to land on a tiny, moving platform while floating through the air with a chicken in hand with a camera that WON'T LET ME LOOK DOWN just to get a heart piece isn't exactly my idea of fun). Oh well. I thought nearly all of the dungeons were quite thoroughly excellent while they lasted.
Btw, seeing Colin with a sword and shield during the ending credits made me wish Nintendo'd make a TP spinoff starring Colin as a spiritual successor to Majora's Mask.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 30, 2006, 08:39:35 AM
In spite of all that pro-Zelda talk, I thought Twighlight Princess' story was a bit vague and/or confusing at times. Wind Waker seemed more cohesive.
Oh yeah, and props to whoever pointed out to me that Midna said the mirror was evil, I forgot about that bit. That part of the ending sits a lot better with me now.
Post by: Crimm on December 30, 2006, 10:12:49 AM
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MarioAllStar, if you hate level seven on roll game, you will LOATH level eight.
Ain't that the truth.
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 30, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
Edit: By the way, thanks for the help Bill. Those were some pretty tough chests to reach, especially the second one.
Post by: Caliban on December 30, 2006, 02:01:31 PM
I'm on level 8 btw, but I know I can do it because I reached the last pit with ease, finishing it is another story altogether.
DON'T LOSE YOUR HOPE!!! DETERMINATION IS YOUR KEY TO SUCCESS! (my cat put his paw on the caps lock)
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 30, 2006, 03:35:37 PM
Edit: I just saw level 1-8. Abandon all hope, ye who try this level.
Post by: Crimm on December 30, 2006, 03:51:02 PM
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 30, 2006, 04:00:27 PM
Can somebody with the GameCube version comment on the Rollgoal mini-game?
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 31, 2006, 09:45:27 AM
Post by: mantidor on December 31, 2006, 10:33:14 AM
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Both Monkey Ball and the Rollgoal mini-game have poor tilt controls. For a controller like the Wii remote, this should be a no-brainer. Somebody needs to nail tilt controls for the Wii. Until then, I hold the position that the remote almost gives too much precision for games like this. (Note: My opinions are probably influenced by my present anger at the Rollgoal game.)
Can somebody with the GameCube version comment on the Rollgoal mini-game?
I've only played the first level, but it was fairly easy, if anything is just time consuming, in case the track is too hard I guess all I need to do is make really small steps, for that game I can see the remote being incredibly difficult but closer to the real thing, those labyrinth games are hard.
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Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 10:27:24 AM
NOT the best Zelda ever. Flaws, overreached on storytelling... etc.
Oh, and Midna is HOT... as an imp. As a twilii she looks right out of fifth element. Impish Midna is... she's got HIPS. AND A BADONKADONK!
... but yeah... the game's got quite a few flaws that actually really come out in the second half. The first 20 hours or so are actually extremely well done. If it takes Nintendo 4 years to make a game like this, then I for one am not too worried about this being "the last Zelda of its kind" because they're really having problems if it takes them four years to make something with so many... minor flaws. In quite a few ways actually, I rate it below previous Zelda games I found unimpressive like WW and MM. This game would've been an utter disaster if it had been released last year, a bigger, worse disaster than even Wind Waker. Something is up with Nintendo's internal teams.
Oh, and not saving game after the credits? PHAIL.
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Post by: KnowsNothing on January 02, 2007, 10:37:16 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 10:40:58 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on January 02, 2007, 10:52:49 AM
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Don't think so, but I had the "pointer" turned off pretty much the whole game.
Mario is also poop. For serious, turning off the pointer sucks.
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 10:55:24 AM
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Post by: IceCold on January 02, 2007, 12:11:44 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 02, 2007, 12:22:05 PM
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previous Zelda games I found unimpressive like WW and MM.
MM was awesomeness. You're BROKEN.
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 02:02:35 PM
I'll go over the flaws later when I can find time to put my feelings and thoughts into a ginormous collection of digital text.
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Post by: Caliban on January 02, 2007, 02:35:28 PM
I am eager to read the "Kairon Decepticon Report".
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I am eager to read the "Kairon Decepticon Report".
*shrug* It's not my fault the autobots don't have any cool insect transformers on their side.
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Post by: Caliban on January 03, 2007, 02:42:30 AM
Post by: Mario on January 03, 2007, 02:51:29 AM
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YOU'RE POOP.
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Don't think so, but I had the "pointer" turned off pretty much the whole game.
Mario is also poop. For serious, turning off the pointer sucks.
I just can't stand the fairy, it was worth it.
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2007, 03:10:32 AM
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Kairon wrote:
This game would've been an utter disaster if it had been released last year, a bigger, worse disaster than even Wind Waker.
What? Someone besides me disliked Wind Waker. Is the sky falling yet?
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 05:45:28 AM
WW could've been an absolute classic for all time, and possibly the best Zelda game ever... IF it hadn't had lackluster dungeon design, not enough land, and hadn't been rushed in development. WW sorely needed another delay or two to have been the best game it could have been. Aside from that, I loved the concept, graphics, style, etc.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2007, 10:05:22 AM
I give Wind Waker credit for having the best story in the series (despite the plot holes), including my personal favorite, A Link to the Past. And though I prefer Twilight Princess' graphics, I loved the cel-shading. However, I didn't particularly like the character designs outside of Ganondorf, who was unquestionably badass in Wind Waker in like every way imaginable.
Post by: JonLeung on January 03, 2007, 10:13:49 AM
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Yeah, I can agree with those points. To me, the biggest issue was the sailing. Most of the game is doing nothing except sailing and changing wind directions. It became such a burden once the entire map became available while yielding so few rewards. Someone is bound to flame me for that.........
I give Wind Waker credit for having the best story in the series (despite the plot holes), including my personal favorite, A Link to the Past. And though I prefer Twilight Princess' graphics, I loved the cel-shading. However, I didn't particularly like the character designs outside of Ganondorf, who was unquestionably badass in Wind Waker in like every way imaginable.
You know, I think I agree with every single word that Adrock said there. I don't remember much about the story by now, but I will never forget how cool Hyrule Castle is, frozen in time at the bottom of the ocean.
I agree about the burden of sailing. It's too bad the 3D Zelda games' "overworlds" can't be full of enemies crawling around all over the place like the 2D ones. Wind Waker's was the worst because it was flat and solid blue, and then it was actually an annoyance when you encountered enemies because you really just wanted to have reached the next island by then.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 03, 2007, 11:25:42 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 11:38:32 AM
Also, <3 LTTP.
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on January 03, 2007, 11:58:06 AM
"HEY I BET YOU WANNA BUY SOME ARROWS RITE HERE HAVE A HUNDRED RUPEES"
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2007, 12:36:27 PM
Sure, A Link to the Past isn't perfect, but I feel that Nintendo made the absolute best possible game they could 15+ years ago. I can't say that about games today. Every game has flaws. I just think that in 2006, some things shouldn't be problems. In Twilight Princess, bosses shouldn't be total pushovers, the overworld shouldn't be empty and so on. Many sequels today, not just Zelda, have some of the same problems of their predecessors.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 03, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
My logic is infallible.
Post by: UncleBob on January 03, 2007, 01:35:33 PM
Anywhoo, beat the game today. 115+ hours. Beat that!
(I had a lot of fun ust running around and doing stuff).
I'd like to say, I sure as hell hope Princess Zelda can make a better pie than she can aim a frinkin' arrow.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 03, 2007, 02:55:51 PM
A Link to the Past was alright, but it was too much dungeon and not another other stuff. That's why I love LA, MM, and WW so much.
Post by: IceCold on January 03, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on January 04, 2007, 05:16:36 AM
Taking a break from Hyrule and Ganon and Zelda and the Triforce that half the games have is nice, too. It's classic, of course, but it's nice to mix things up now and then. If the Oracle games were more memorable I'd probably applaud those for the same reason.
In Twilight Princess, after rescuing people from being spirits in the Twilight, which they didn't even seem to notice, I don't think they even recognized that they were ever in any danger. Even after the barrier is up on Hyrule Castle did anyone care? Sure, the ragtag team of adventurers notice the "sad state of Hyrule Castle" but they seem to be the only ones.
I probably played Link's Awakening three or four times, more than any other Zelda game (most I've played twice) which was a mistake because I never really got into Link's Awakening DX. I have yet to tackle the Color Dungeon and the other things DX added.
Post by: Ceric on January 04, 2007, 12:10:38 PM
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I can't get to the Cave of Ordeals because of the Hot Springwater. Going the most direct route I can't take a bottle of it to anyone who needs it without it turning to water. This has plagued me the whole game. Here I am about to go into Hyrule castle and lay the Smack Down to finish the game and the only place I want to go is the Cave of Ordeals so I can finally see the stupid great fairy... Arrgggg
I HATE HOT SPRINGWATER
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It little things like this throughout the game that puts it right there with Wind Waker.
Post by: UncleBob on January 04, 2007, 01:12:17 PM
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Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2007, 01:16:12 PM
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Post by: Zach on January 04, 2007, 01:29:32 PM
For the hot springwater mission you need to talk to the goron outside of Malo's, the rest is pretty straightforward
Post by: SixthAngel on January 04, 2007, 03:05:15 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 04, 2007, 03:20:58 PM
Where did you get the idea that that has anything to do with the cave of ordeals, Ceric?
Post by: JonLeung on January 04, 2007, 04:07:46 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 04, 2007, 04:45:09 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 04, 2007, 06:10:04 PM
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The edge of cliff is your best bet to not get hit by "leevers", also don't forget to snipe any flying or ground enemies that might be close by.
I might try that, but what's the point? What do you gain by completing it?
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 04, 2007, 06:58:25 PM
Smoke39: Heart piece, I'm pretty sure
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Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 01:46:55 AM
Okay, I'll admit it...I missed some in Minish Cap because of the Kinstones or whatever they're called. :P Still, typically, I don't see why you wouldn't get every Piece Of Heart in every Zelda game you play.
For all you non-completionists, why don't you feel the "itch" of an incomplete file? (That reminds me, I have to finish Rollgoal.) In Pieces Of Heart, especially, you can always see an incomplete Heart meter, so it's not like some pointless side-quest that you can pretend you did even if you really didn't, and it's rarely frustrating to get them all. To me, it'd be like doing a jigsaw puzzle, and even if you can physically tell where the remaining two pieces are, you don't bother to put them in place. o_0 Why not complete it? WHY NOT???
Or am I just too obsessive-compulsive?
Post by: couchmonkey on January 05, 2007, 02:43:47 AM
Super Mario Sunshine was the turning point for me. When I realized that I had spent about 20 out of 40 hours scouring that game for Blue Coins, I quit. I went back and completed it after getting my hands on a strategy guide, and I'll probably do the same for Twighlight Princess.
Post by: Mario on January 05, 2007, 02:48:44 AM
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The point is completion. You may not physically require all the Pieces Of Heart in this game but I collect them all to fully enjoy every Zelda game.
Okay, I'll admit it...I missed some in Minish Cap because of the Kinstones or whatever they're called. :P Still, typically, I don't see why you wouldn't get every Piece Of Heart in every Zelda game you play.
For all you non-completionists, why don't you feel the "itch" of an incomplete file? (That reminds me, I have to finish Rollgoal.) In Pieces Of Heart, especially, you can always see an incomplete Heart meter, so it's not like some pointless side-quest that you can pretend you did even if you really didn't, and it's rarely frustrating to get them all. To me, it'd be like doing a jigsaw puzzle, and even if you can physically tell where the remaining two pieces are, you don't bother to put them in place. o_0 Why not complete it? WHY NOT???
Or am I just too obsessive-compulsive?
If it's not fun, then it's quite simply a waste of time.
Post by: Adrock on January 05, 2007, 04:52:31 AM
With Twilight Princess I found all the bugs then I got a wallet. For what? By the time I got it, I didn't need to buy a damn thing. I find that completing everything in a Zelda game is not fun, mostly because it entails collecting things. The Magic Armor side-quest was an entire waste of my life. It took so long and the Magic Armor was a complete failure of an item. I feel like I finished enough of the game to disregard fishing (which I despised), hunting the poes, and the roll-goal game. I'd rather just start the game over entirely.
Post by: Artimus on January 05, 2007, 04:56:46 AM
And what's the deal with the midget kid (Malo?)? It looks like it's three for most of the game and then it opens Kakariko's first Walmart?!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2007, 05:34:17 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 05, 2007, 06:56:25 AM
Random thought: Did anyone actually use the hawk's eye? It was a cool idea, but I found it quite uselesss.
PS I loved Malo; I thought he was funny. X3 Try shooting him with the slingshot in the beginning of the game and watch his reaction. XD
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
Malo is weird, but not in a bad way. I like a few odd characters (in my video games, anyway).
The Hawkeye seemed so useful when paired with the bow when you're at the Hidden Village, sniping those goblins or whatever they are, until it turned out to not be a total stealth mission after all and no one seems to care if you are seen by the last few. You probably might not even need it at all there, despite the warning against being seen. >_<
Post by: Ceric on January 05, 2007, 07:19:17 AM
I found out that I needed to talk to the Goron outside of Malo Mart once the bridge was done. So I did and he only told me the first half of what he is suppose to say. I talked to him different times. I was wondering if I did something wrong... Wrote the rant... Looked at a guide and did the exact same thing over again and this time he gives me the whole spiel and the water barrel. Just to spite me I think. Its glitches like that that makes me want to give this Zelda game only a 9.
Also I always heard the spring water stuff and like when anyone talked about the Cave of Ordeals. Here I am at Hyrule Castle about to beat the game and I get the first mention in the WHOLE STINKING GAME of the Cave of Ordeals. I'm assuming I was suppose to get that say a long long time ago. But considering that I just found the Fishing hole could be part of it...
Also where is Rollgoal?
And just to show my coolness I hit that pole with an arrow before I bought the Hawkeye, in fact before I knew it existed.
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 07:31:07 AM
So have other people here.
Plus, I did something similar in Wii Sports: Golf, though accidentally...the ball hit near the top of the flagpole and dropped straight down into the hole. :P
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 05, 2007, 07:38:43 AM
Pap just caught that one...
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 07:45:31 AM
I didn't notice that 'til you mentioned it just now. >_> And my major is Film Studies. >_<
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2007, 07:52:41 AM
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Post by: Smoke39 on January 05, 2007, 08:29:43 AM
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I could see myself getting too frustrated with Rollgoal that I would give up on it (though I at least want the Frog Lure), but something like Pieces of Heart? Come on! Again, it's probably just me, but since there's such a visible difference between not finding the Pieces Of Heart and finding them all, that spurs me on - and isn't it fun? You don't think so? o_0 At least with finding Pieces Of Heart you tend to do something different for each one, and I don't see what's so hard about bringing the barrel of springwater over that you'd give up on it.
Malo is weird, but not in a bad way. I like a few odd characters (in my video games, anyway).
The Hawkeye seemed so useful when paired with the bow when you're at the Hidden Village, sniping those goblins or whatever they are, until it turned out to not be a total stealth mission after all and no one seems to care if you are seen by the last few. You probably might not even need it at all there, despite the warning against being seen. >_<
I already found a bunch of heart pieces. Some are fun, some aren't. That so many of those chests lying around Hyrule just containing USELESS RUPEES kinda puts a damper on looking around really in-depth.
I sniped all of those guys easily before I even knew about the hawk eye. Then I started killing the ones that were hiding in the buildings, did the stupid howling thing, then all of them reappeared when I was done with the howling thing, which pissed me off pretty hard. >:/
Post by: Shecky on January 05, 2007, 10:46:56 AM
It's also possible to easily hit the pole with an arrow without aid. I'm not sure how hard it would be in the GCN version but the Wii remote aiming makes sharpshooting easy.... In fact Zelda should get a Wii remote >
Post by: Smoke39 on January 05, 2007, 10:49:34 AM
Post by: Shecky on January 05, 2007, 10:57:45 AM
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I already found a bunch of heart pieces. Some are fun, some aren't. That so many of those chests lying around Hyrule just containing USELESS RUPEES kinda puts a damper on looking around really in-depth.
I sniped all of those guys easily before I even knew about the hawk eye. Then I started killing the ones that were hiding in the buildings, did the stupid howling thing, then all of them reappeared when I was done with the howling thing, which pissed me off pretty hard. >:/
I didn't have that aid until after that part as well... hell I didn't even have a completed bridge... went all the way around
yes I missed it sticking out of the sand in the desert like a 50 ton glow stick.... quiet!It is a bit disappointing how a lot of chests in hard to get to places simply have money, but as I mentioned before, besides money and heart pieces there isn't much to throw at you. It's been that way since ages. What they need to do is start introducing more non-essential items that you can happen across. LttP had quite a few... good bee, one of the canes, cape, bottles.
The 3 *large* chests at the south exit of the castle need some clever maneuvers to get to them, but where's the love? Felt empowered when I figured it out... and then sad when I had to put it back.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 05, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
More non-essential cool stuff would be good. Bottles are neat, but almost completely useless since the game was so incredibly easy. The magic armor and hawk eye were kinda wasted oportunities. And why do I have THREE bomb bags? XP
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
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And why do I have THREE bomb bags? XP
One for each type of bomb... =)
Post by: Shecky on January 05, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
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I also didn't buy the oil bottle that the guy sells you practically at the beginning of the game until about then, too. >_<
Short on cash??
lets play money making game
Post by: Smoke39 on January 05, 2007, 01:06:39 PM
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And why do I have THREE bomb bags? XP
One for each type of bomb... =)
Once you get the water bombs, they're all you need (and all you find in boxes). They made the normal bombs totally obsolete, and I never even bought any of the third type. You could MAYBE have use for two bomb bags if you wanted to go on a giant bomb fest all at once across Hyrule, but probably not (especially considering the ball and chain can smash bombable stuff. I love that thing so hard).
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 06, 2007, 06:10:24 AM
But if it's too tedious or boring, I just say screw it. Only if I can enjoy myself or challenge myself is it worth it.
Post by: MarioAllStar on January 06, 2007, 05:05:10 PM
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I'm quite a completionist. For instance, I finished the Nintendo Gallery in Wind Waker. I try to get 100% in every game.
But if it's too tedious or boring, I just say screw it. Only if I can enjoy myself or challenge myself is it worth it.
I am suprised you did not consider the Nintendo Gallery to be tedious or boring. I mean, taking photographs of every character in the game when you can only carry 3 photos at once sounds pretty tedious to me. When I found the gallery, I was really suprised and thought it was awesome. After that, I simply didn't care enough to get all the figurines.
But if it was fun to you, then that's great.
Post by: Shecky on January 06, 2007, 06:34:29 PM
Post by: matt oz on January 15, 2007, 12:26:02 PM
The Zant battle was AWESOME, but ultimately way too easy. I lost about 2 hearts. It would've been nice to include every dungeon boss, because the Desert and Sky bosses were noticeably absent.
I'm glad the Fused Shadows came back into the story. It bothered me how they were taken away without getting to use them.
Fighting Zelda was weird. And way too easy. I could NOT figure out how to attack Ganon once I was in wolf form. But once I did, that became a lot easier. I liked the swordfight as the final battle. That's how it should be. Not some giant monster with a tiny weak point. Just two evenly matched opponents with weapons.
I still hate the camera. If a game requires platform jumping, it should also have a completely manipulable camera.
The weapons from dungeons 4 and 5 weren't used nearly enough throughout the game. There was a lot of potential for them, too.
The story still makes no sense to me. I still think Ganondorf came out of nowhere. Zant was a good villain. He made sense. Until you get to him, and there's this cutscene with some god, and then I was completely lost.
I think Majora's Mask is the best Zelda story-wise, because it's simple. You know you're going against Skull Kid from the beginning. You know you have to keep the moon from falling. It makes sense.
But Twilight Princess was just confusing. Collect the Fused Shadows, WITHOUT KNOWING WHY, then LOSE them! Then collect mirror pieces. Then go inside the mirror and fight a villain who no longer makes sense. Then fight the actual villain, who is only there for tradition's sake, and have the mirror be DESTROYED. What was the point of continuing with the game after a certain point? The world didn't stop because Zelda disappeared. There was no sense of urgency, much unlike Majora's Mask and even OoT.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 15, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 15, 2007, 01:17:59 PM
The ROD OF POWAH on the other hand, had potential but ultimately fell flat....I wish they brought back the ROD of Somaria (or somalia of SOMETHING), the one that made blocks. IT WAS KEWL
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 15, 2007, 01:21:37 PM
I agree with knowsnothing, block rod ftw!
Post by: Zach on January 15, 2007, 05:43:13 PM
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Post by: Artimus on January 16, 2007, 08:08:44 AM
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I got bored and started a second playthrough. Something has occured to me from towards the beginning of the game and I dont think it has been discussed. Why did that big green guy take the children in the first place? did they have any purpose for it or did they just feel like being badass by mixing things up and leaving the kids someplace else?
Because wild green ogres always steal innocents. Just like terrorists.
Post by: Shecky on January 16, 2007, 01:21:35 PM
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I finally beat TP (over 73 hours, with a lot of real life intruding on my game playing), and I finally read this whole thread. I have a question about the end battle. Is there anyone who didn't shoot Ganon in the face to bring him down? After doing that for a while, Midna suggested I turn into a wolf, and she said she'd do the same thing I had been doing, only with her power. Considering that I had been shooting him in the face, I got smacked around for a long time before I accidentally figured out what she was trying to do. I plan to replay that scene and try wrestling him myself, but I'm curious if anybody noticed the resemblance between his tusks and goat horns before they noticed the classically glowing weak spot in his forehead. That was the one really stupid design decision in the game, in my eyes.
About the end:
It didn't take me long to figure out that I needed to handle him just like the goats/gorons/ganon (heh) but I kept holding Z to get the camera right and when I hit A (and maybe up) I would jump attack. Took a life bar and a half at a half heart each hit to figure out my oversite (try letting go of Z - hit only A).
It took me a life bar, fairy and potion to get by the first form of Zant. I imediately asked for Midna's advice like I usually do and she said something to the effect of "Don't be fooled by his wacky movements, reflect his attacks and give him a taste of his own medicine". So there I was trying to slash/shield bash his machine gun fireballs back at him. I was so honed in on trying to time my actions that I was paying no f***ing clue to where I was. Heh, the whole series of battles was easy after that...
BTW, I blame both of these on the time of day (past 1am) - the natural way to increase the challenge of any puzzle.
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I got bored and started a second playthrough. Something has occured to me from towards the beginning of the game and I dont think it has been discussed. Why did that big green guy take the children in the first place? did they have any purpose for it or did they just feel like being badass by mixing things up and leaving the kids someplace else?
Because wild green ogres always steal innocents. Just like terrorists.
It's his day job. He follows the strongest side.... so now he's going to just steal baby moblins from their mothers... I hope your happy!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2007, 06:49:57 AM
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Post by: Djunknown on January 19, 2007, 06:29:53 PM
Is it the best Zelda of all time? Jury's out on this one for me...It doesn't make much sense to try and 'link' these (no pun intended) to the rest of the series. It just seems to have elements of the past titles, but doesn't fit with it correctly. Hell, even Windwaker didn't synch up with Oot perfectly. Princess Ruto guardian of the 'earth' temple? Puhleaze... Saria not the sage of the Kokori? Oookay...
Speaking of Kokori, where were they? Aside from the symbol from the first temple, and what seemed to be Skull Kid in the Sacred Grove, there's nothing left of these eternal forest children. I theorized maybe the Monkeys are an incarnation of them, since they're full of mischief, but I doubt it.
Where do the guardians of light fit in the rest of the series? The hawt fairies in the previous games were the ones who ran sh!t on the ground so to speak. Again, another stretch is that they represent they're the incarnation of the patron... things of the past tribes. Faron might've been the Deku Tree, Eldin could've been the red Dragon from Wind Waker, Lanryu= Jabu Jabu? But what about Ordon? Again, toss that theory out...
What's up with the Sages? In Oot they were represented by the individual races, though Raru and Zelda doubled up. Their mosaics are clearly visible in WW. Now they're just some old men with drama faces? It recalls LttP about the seven sages sealing the portal to the dark world, and how they would have 7 great-great-great grandaughters, but again there's a mismatch.
Pro beat me to it, but I wondered about the 'teacher' of hidden skills. He said something about being the hero but regretting he never passed on his skills. Seeing him reminds of the big skeletons of the Forest temple in Oot. Some of the songs you had to howl are from Oot/MM, the prelude of light is one example, so is he the Hero of Time? hmmm...
I believe the theory that the shadow twiili were once the Gerudo, and were drastically altered when they entered the Shadow Realm? Could the Shadow Realm be the precursor to the dark world?
I'm sure Bill or someone else will come along pick these points at will so I'll stop here for now. I'll have some rants later...
Post by: Adrock on January 20, 2007, 06:02:43 AM
Faron and Ordon both represent Farore.
I figured the hidden skills teacher was supposed to be Link from Ocarina of Time even though he didn't use any of those moves.
The Gerudo weren't the Twili. I think the Twili were banished well before the events of Ocarina of Time.
It's easier not to force the Zelda games into a timeline because they make no sense chronologically. Really, Twilight Princess could have fit anywhere as it barely references anything. Ganondorf supposedly losing the Triforce of Power at the end of Twlight Princess could place the game after A Link to the Past. Otherwise, who resurrected him and how did he get the Triforce of Power back? You could go on and on about how the games contradict each other. Think about the Master Sword. It's at the bottom of the ocean in Wind Waker and "sleeps forever" in the forest at the end of A Link to the Past. yet both supposedly take place before the original. Seriously, what the f? We should all just ignore chronology for the sake of sanity.
Post by: Artimus on January 20, 2007, 06:22:38 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2007, 11:34:50 AM
I just entered the forest area, searching for the kids that chased the monkey, and now I'm in the first open area, next to where you get the key to the gate to the forest. There is a hill that you can go up, and then there are two pillars that you can jump across to an upper pathway in a tree. After you do that you have to make two more jumps across to two tree stumps, and that leads to another tree. Has anyone made it across there and is it worth my time to keep trying?
I can make it up to the two tree stumps after the two pillars and then I can't make the jump. But its obvious that it goes somewhere as I don't think the whole pathway would be setup without some sort of purpose or reward. Does anyone know where I'm talking about?
Post by: MysticGohan on January 20, 2007, 11:38:44 AM
I know, I've tried.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2007, 11:42:19 AM
). I've been re-jumping that gap for the last 15 minutes(w/ no success) and it starting to get frustrating, but if it would get me an item that I can't come back to get later, or wouldn't obtain until much later, I'll keep trying.So have you been back there? whats up there?
Post by: Artimus on January 20, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2007, 04:54:03 PM
TP mentions that these freaky chickens could be the true first inhabitants of Hyrule and that they are the closest to the Gods. What I don't understand is if the chickens are indeed an important part of the history of Hyrule why doesn't the older Zelda games make mention of them?
This leads me to believe that:
- Every 100 years new races are born in Hyrule, while others either die out and become extinct or evolve
- Every century the story of Hyrule gets redefined in order to meet the theories and beliefs of that Hyrule
One other thing, what type of race the people of Ordon village are? They resemble Hylians, but they don't have long, pointy ears, leading me to believe that these people are truly the first human characters seen in the Zelda series (although all human like races are labeled as human).
Post by: mantidor on January 21, 2007, 05:36:12 PM
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Nah then you don't even get the chance to think for yourself. Zelda has always been about exploring.
But hints are always very welcome and make the process of the collectathons more enjoyable, I loved the fortune teller and her clues about finding the heart pieces, I also loved how every bug had a pair in the same area, by the time I made the concious purpose to find them I already had one of each at least, so finding their pairs was neat, but this poe quest just sucks, specially for such a lame reward, more damn rupees!? this game is just absurd in that regard, rupees everywhere, even with a five piece heart there are rupees in chests everywhere!
I love exploring, but this is ridiculous seriously, specially without the ability to advance forward to the night, from my 75 hour run at least 15 hours have been spent waiting for the sun to set.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 21, 2007, 05:41:20 PM
They're not trying, not even a little bit. Just accept this as truth and your lives will be much easier.
Post by: mantidor on January 21, 2007, 05:50:36 PM
Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2007, 02:11:34 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2007, 06:23:54 AM
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I like how all of you are still trying to justify all the games being linked together somehow.
They're not trying, not even a little bit. Just accept this as truth and your lives will be much easier.
I believe that when Miyamoto and crew were making the games, they didn't have any idea how to connect the games, so they kept making them, making some small connections while still leaving a lot of questions unanswered.
But its somewhat unfair to say that they are not trying to link the games together. They already explained why all the princesses of Hyrule are called Zelda, TP is littered with OoT references (and its been said that the game takes place 100 years after OoT and before WW) and there have been sequel games that continue the story of a predecessor Zelda game.
They definitely want to tell an engaging story, but are bound to their beliefs of gameplay being far more important than long stories and cutscenes.
Post by: JonLeung on January 22, 2007, 06:39:11 AM
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OMG, I just entered the Water Temple and after finding it funny that a baboon spanked his ass at me, I go into a different room, blow open a wall, break some jars, and what pops out and starts talking to me? A chicken with a human-like head thats called an Ooccoo??!!?? What kind of freaky stuff is going on in Hyrule? It even has two saggy breast with green ariolas<sp> and long green nipples!!?? WTF is that!?
Wow, you know you missed two already then, don't you?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2007, 07:06:46 AM
WW directly follows up Hero of Time story with the 7 sages, and as such is full of Ocarina of Time/Hero of Time references, specifically mentioning a hero who came and left.
TP completely lacks these references, other than the basic environment/setting. If Big Link and the 7 sages took care of the problem 7 years into the future, were they gonna do it all over again after Kid Link was returned to his original timeline? HELL NAW. Things, turned out differently, which is obvious since TP's Ganondorf was never sealed by Ocarina's 7 sages. Why bother pulling his ass out of imprisonment to sentence him and seal him somewhere else? Cuz Ocarina's sages had no role in TP's world, and Ganondorf never manually "acquired" the trifoce, he just seemed to have it without the other sages knowing it, which is unexplained, and it would be retarded if these sages didn't know he had it prior to incarceration, so, he somehow got it out of thin air. None of the Hero of Time crap happened, so the original sages weren't needed, we got a new set of sages, and we have no reference to a Hero of Time. But we do have SKELETOR, and he says he was a Hero, but he probably wasn't the hero in the typical green-tunic-Link fashion we're used to. He also may have had a hand in defeating Ganondorf (plain old desert magick man who didn't have the Triforce of Power until he was sent to the Twilight Realm Ganondorf), but we'll never know more about it cuz Nintendo sucks. It's obvious TP takes place after Ocarina of Time, but not the timeline we originally expected. It seems more fitting that it shares its timeline with Majora's Mask (oh WHOOPS, another game that features an alternative dimension to Hyrule. That also means TP's Hyrule has 3 worlds in one).
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2007, 09:31:14 AM
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Ocarina's sages had no role in TP's world, and Ganondorf never manually "acquired" the trifoce, he just seemed to have it without the other sages knowing it, which is unexplained, and it would be retarded if these sages didn't know he had it prior to incarceration, so, he somehow got it out of thin air.
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He also may have had a hand in defeating Ganondorf (plain old desert magick man who didn't have the Triforce of Power until he was sent to the Twilight Realm Ganondorf), but we'll never know more about it cuz Nintendo sucks.
Those two quotes seem to contradict each other. He can't get the Triforce of Power in the Twilight Realm if he had it before getting imprisoned there.
If the timelines split and Ganondorf was imprisoned 7 years in the future, then Ganondorf 7 years in the past would still be around, unless his imprisonment at the end of Ocarina of Time exists in both timelines somehow. In Twilight Princess, Ganondorf already had the Triforce of Power and used it to survive execution before killing the Water Temple sage. If that's the case, Ganondorf from the original timeline would need to attain the Triforce of Power sometime before Twilight Princess. Nintendo could tell a direct prequel explaining that.
I probably misinterpreted you somewhere. Reading through it felt like a hammer to the brain. There is no Zelda chronology. None of it makes sense in a timeline.
I agree on the Nintendo sucks part though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2007, 11:58:57 AM
To clarify, the Ganondorf 7 years in the past is the same Ganondorf we face in TP. His imprisonment at the end of Ocarina is now a different matter in a different timeline that practically has no bearing on TP's timeline. I'm saying, in TP, Ganondorf didn't "already" have the Triforce prior to his failed execution, he just miraculously received it. The sages described it as a "divine prank," giving me the notion they didn't foresee his possession of it, meaning Ganondorf never really had it up to that point. If they didn't know he had it, I say they're pretty pathetic sages. When the 'Dorf's Twilight imprisonment took place relative to Kid Link's return to his own timeline, and relative to the actual TP adventure, I do not know. What we did see in TP, which looks silly, was the Triforce of Power appeared to come and go. In Wind Waker, old fat 'Dorf willed the Triumph Forks to leave their hosts and reunite. In Ocarina (same as WW 'Dorf), the Triforce didn't leave him after his defeat, he seemed to keep it as if he was the "owner" (he did make first contact after all, after which, the other two pieces *chose* its hosts in Link and Zelda). In TP, I say 'Dorf never claimed it, and therefore was not a definitive "owner;" the Triforce somehow chose him, just as it chose to leave him for dead at the end of TP. Cuz it'd be REALLY SILLY for him to 1) claim the triforce 2) wreak havoc on High-Rool 3) be defeated (by SKELETOR or whatever Hero, as it seems they're the only ones qualified to defeat him) then 4) be imprisoned at the mercy of the 7 ghostly sages (whut? did the triforce need a moment to recharge at this time?) then 5) finally use the Triforce to survive his execution and 6) get his Dark Ass FedEx'd to the Twilight Realm despite his divine power. Steps #1 thru #4 could've easily occurred without the Triforce, and if it was known he always had the Triforce, he would've been dealth with sooner with more extreme measures rather than wasting time chaining him and stabbing him. Cuz you know, not much hurts when you've got the Power of Cheese on your side.
Do you like how I didn't split paragraphs?
There IS Zelda chronology, a limited one, cuz it's Nintendo's fault for bothering to make 3 FREAKING SEQUELS to one stupidly popular game. Of course it doesn't make sense in a timeline, but it makes perfect sense now that we have a timetree. Now that my thoughts are complete, no one has to bother making up theories after me. Time to close the thread.
This whole making up storylines between storylines and resurrecting your big cheese enemy is all Castlevania madness. JUST YOU WAIT, THE NEXT ZELDA IS A 4TH SEQUEL TO OCARINA OF TIME INVOLVING LINK VISITING DIFFERENT PLANETS TO FIND SCATTERED TRIFORCE PIECES SO HE CAN RESURRECT TP'S 'DORF AGAIN AND KILL HIM AGAIN TO SOLVE HYRULE'S GLOBAL WARMING HIGH TIDE PROBLEMS. CUZ YES, NOT ONLY ARE THE MOONS THREATENING TO CRASH DOWN, BUT DEATH MOUNTAIN IS THREATENING TO MAKE THE WORLD EXPLODE AS THE SIX MOONS MAKE CONTACT WITH THE SIX TEMPLES AT THE ENDS OF THE WORLD. Features a new lighting system and innovative lobster transformation gameplay.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 22, 2007, 12:33:05 PM
Post by: Djunknown on January 22, 2007, 01:59:36 PM
Aside from some cosmetic changes (Ninja link, different color fur for Wolf-link), what other things are there? Thoughts?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2007, 02:22:52 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 23, 2007, 09:21:51 AM
I suppose they kind of resemble actual legends, in a sense. Different accounts of what happened, a series of stories that all take place in the same area or under similar circumstances, but don't fit together perfectly, due to details and facts being obscured by time and the faults of oral storytelling.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 25, 2007, 01:12:59 AM
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This whole making up storylines between storylines and resurrecting your big cheese enemy is all Castlevania madness. JUST YOU WAIT, THE NEXT ZELDA IS A 4TH SEQUEL TO OCARINA OF TIME INVOLVING LINK VISITING DIFFERENT PLANETS TO FIND SCATTERED TRIFORCE PIECES SO HE CAN RESURRECT TP'S 'DORF AGAIN AND KILL HIM AGAIN TO SOLVE HYRULE'S GLOBAL WARMING HIGH TIDE PROBLEMS. CUZ YES, NOT ONLY ARE THE MOONS THREATENING TO CRASH DOWN, BUT DEATH MOUNTAIN IS THREATENING TO MAKE THE WORLD EXPLODE AS THE SIX MOONS MAKE CONTACT WITH THE SIX TEMPLES AT THE ENDS OF THE WORLD. Features a new lighting system and innovative lobster transformation gameplay.
Thanks Pro now you ruined the secrets of the new Zelda game for me, what's next, are you going to reveal the name early too?!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2007, 06:24:01 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 25, 2007, 06:28:33 AM
Then again, MOM sounds like Zelda is someone's mother, WOW sounds like a happy expression or something to do with World Of WarCraft, AOTFS is kinda clunky and looks like "Attack Of The F*%!ing Sith", COTM looks like Circle Of The Moon, POT is, well, pot... and HOP is, well, a non-international House Of Pancakes, or implies a small jump... >_<
Post by: Artimus on January 26, 2007, 03:58:13 PM
As for the ending, I totally fail to see why people feel it was unfulfilling? I thought it was beautiful. All the major lose ends were tied up and the final scene is powerful. Spoiler: I really wanted Link to go with her and be Prince of the Twilight! I love her character so much. And that Zelda model is hot, really hot. This game really has about as good character design as any I have ever seen. Pity it won't likely win any awards because games like Gears have more polygons. And Okami may be unique, and very beautiful, but the graphical work in this game is superb. The art direction team cannot get enough praise.
Overall I think 9.5/10 is probably fair, but it's such a beautifully put together game with just the right amount of variation on the classic setup that I'd be tempted to bump that up a few percent (9.8?). Certainly one of the greatest games ever. Totally worth the wait!
Also, with the triforce at the end: He had the triforce when he was born, like Link and Zelda. Ganon is the evil, Zelda the good, and Link is the one who maintains the balance. That's why he's the hero. But these three people are merely three who were chosen (the chosen ones) to represent those three sides of the triforce at this time in history. Thus when Ganon died he lost the triforce, his time with it was up. The three factions always come together because they are the balance of the world. What is unique about TP is that the alternate universe, the Twilight realm, ends up with the evil triforce in it and thus the entire world is out of whack requiring not just the balancing of the triforce as in most Zelda games but the balancing of the two realms, thus the game being called Twilight Princess. Midna is the difference. In this theory (that's all it is I guess) Link (balance) sits atop the triforce with Zelda (good) and Ganon (evil). In normal life there is good and bad always, but never control of one. When evil threatens that the Hero rises and balances things. At least in TP this is how it is. I don't really think the Zelda games are all of the same universe. Some are, but most aren't.
And, as for names, I agree with SOME of those names. The main problem with it is that the games are THE Legend of Zelda so it's hard to make the subtitle have "the" in it too (i.e. The Wind Waker or The Twilight Princess sounds better, but not with the full game). I think Wind Waker just needs a different name. Twilight Princess works, but I have no objection to Princess of Twilight or even Twilight's Princess. I think Majora's Mask is fine as is, it doesn't sound odd at all. Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass need new titles. They don't sound right and I'm against merely using items to name the games. The only item so far that actually works is Ocarina and that's because it's Ocarina OF Time and the third word helps a lot. Majora's Mask is different because the mask itself is a force and it causes things, versus an item which is used. Twilight Princess is ok, though. It's certainly the right title for the game, even if the wording is off.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 26, 2007, 06:15:03 PM
That entire paragraph concerned only aesthetics. Our gripes go beyond glam and glitz. No amount of story or artwork compares to the actual minutes/hours of gameplay one experiences in Zelda. The story and artwork don't challenge us, they're not our obstacles in the adventure. It's the gameplay, and that's what we're bringing to attention.
TP stands on the shoulders of too many giants. It's a very refined blade but the blacksmiths have gotten used to making this type. Compare the evolution from Ocarina to TP, to Zelda1 to Ocarina. The weapon hasn't changed much in this half of the franchise's life. It's time to craft a new one. TP is a fanservice game used to sell Wii's. um lol
Post by: Artimus on January 26, 2007, 07:23:58 PM
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"As for the ending, I totally fail to see why people feel it was unfulfilling?"
That entire paragraph concerned only aesthetics. Our gripes go beyond glam and glitz. No amount of story or artwork compares to the actual minutes/hours of gameplay one experiences in Zelda. The story and artwork don't challenge us, they're not our obstacles in the adventure. It's the gameplay, and that's what we're bringing to attention.
TP stands on the shoulders of too many giants. It's a very refined blade but the blacksmiths have gotten used to making this type. Compare the evolution from Ocarina to TP, to Zelda1 to Ocarina. The weapon hasn't changed much in this half of the franchise's life. It's time to craft a new one. TP is a fanservice game used to sell Wii's. um lol
I addressed character design in that paragraph but not in relation to the ending. And I made comments about why I liked it as well (I can say more if you want). Especially the part about Midna. I thought the story was totally satisfying. Boss battle perhaps a tad too easy, but otherwise fine. I don't see what was disappointing about the gameplay, then?
TP is far better than Ocarina. It has so much more energy and personality than the dreary (and heftily overpraised) Ocarina. You can't compare Zelda to Ocarina and Ocarina to TP because they're not even operating in the same realm. That's one of the most pointless comparisons in history. The comparison you want is Zelda to LttP (or Minish Cap? LOL). LttP is definitely a jump over the first game, it's also the best of the series. So what? There's not that much in Ocarina that changed other than what had to due to the dimension addition. Ocarina is like a Big Mac and TP is a filet mignon. Better in every single way.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 26, 2007, 09:05:35 PM
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Post by: Artimus on January 27, 2007, 07:03:11 AM
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On the ending it didn't tie up what Midna was doing and whether Link hooks-up with his earlier love interest in the game. AKA Two of the four things I cared about.
How did it not tie Midna up? She loves Link but knows keeping the "link" between the two worlds open will put the world at risk. So she sacrifices her love for the better of the world. Thus her tear breaks the mirror. Thus she goes to tell Link but can't, and says nothing. And as for the love interesting thing, it's clear that Link fell in love with Midna as well. It's obvious Ilia still likes him, and I'm sure he likes her, but he clearly feels the most for Midna. Thus we don't see him return home but see him riding Epona across the fields alone. Whether he ends up with Ilia or not is irrelevant (he probably does) because, like Midna, he had to lose the one he loved for the world's safety. This is why it's such a beautiful game! I actually think Nintendo out arted their general audience. They made a beautiful epic game with an ending too subtle and artistic for many of its players. But that's why I love it. It says everything without needing to show everything.
Post by: Mario on January 27, 2007, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: MysticGohan on January 27, 2007, 01:39:05 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 27, 2007, 02:00:29 PM
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She could have easily broke the mirror and stayed in that world, but she wanted Link to stop her and he didn't, which means Link didn't love her. He clearly feels more for Ilia but i'm starting to think maybe he just didn't care about any of them and is more interested in finding another world to save. That's my interpretation anyway.
No. She is her people's princess. Just like Zelda wouldn't leave Hyrule, she couldn't stay. She made her choice and he couldn't have stopped her. Though, really, we're debating the feelings of a character without any feelings. Link isn't even a character, really. He's just a stand in for us to use as we play the game. If they want to use him as a character he needs to be one who does more than look blankly around (even if he does so with more personality here than ever before). I laughed a little when she got transformed and asked if he was speechless due to her beauty. Um...he never talks (I think that was intentionally a joke).
Post by: Bartman3010 on January 27, 2007, 02:21:29 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2007, 02:27:07 PM
Anybody have a minimalist tip on how to solve my problem with out having to explain the whole thing?
Post by: MysticGohan on January 27, 2007, 02:38:30 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
QuoteYeah I did all that already, but that only leads me to a room with hanging platforms that don't rotate around the room and a bottomless pitt beneath. I have no idea how to get across, so I decided to take a break and come back to it later. I could move over to one of the non-hanging platforms, but thats where I got stuck. I couldn't even get back to the hanging platform I started on.
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hmmmm... BnM have you got the claw shot yet? with that you could gain access to making the water level rise. Have you met the sub boss? Seeing that you have of of the waters flowing down stairs (you did rotate the stairs) in the position where the water flows downstairs? Which will grant you access further to where you need to go.
I'm tempted to look it up in a walkthrough guide, but I'm afraid I might read more than I want to know. I just need a hint as to what to do, so that I can move on and beat this temple.
edit: nevermind I figured it out. I didn't know that I could grapple claw the ivy on the walls.
Post by: IceCold on January 27, 2007, 04:09:55 PM
Post by: Caliban on January 27, 2007, 04:22:19 PM
My veredict, TP is still a delicious game.
Post by: MysticGohan on January 27, 2007, 04:58:37 PM
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Stop acting like you're different people.
That's because we are, stop being paranoid :p or do you want what happened to John Lennon? hehe
Post by: mantidor on January 27, 2007, 05:30:24 PM
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She could have easily broke the mirror and stayed in that world, but she wanted Link to stop her and he didn't, which means Link didn't love her. He clearly feels more for Ilia but i'm starting to think maybe he just didn't care about any of them and is more interested in finding another world to save. That's my interpretation anyway.
No. She is her people's princess. Just like Zelda wouldn't leave Hyrule, she couldn't stay. She made her choice and he couldn't have stopped her. Though, really, we're debating the feelings of a character without any feelings. Link isn't even a character, really. He's just a stand in for us to use as we play the game. If they want to use him as a character he needs to be one who does more than look blankly around (even if he does so with more personality here than ever before). I laughed a little when she got transformed and asked if he was speechless due to her beauty. Um...he never talks (I think that was intentionally a joke).
Thats not true, he talks plenty, otherwise at least one NPC would've mentioned it, they never put his speech explicitly because its supposed to be your own. Its the same reason why the whole link/midna/illia debate doesn't make much sense, Nintendo did a pretty good job by making Link empty as a character, any implications about him, his feelings or personality is just your own personal projections Midna wasnt that hot really, get over it...
ok, maybe a little
Post by: Artimus on January 27, 2007, 06:05:41 PM
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Thats not true, he talks plenty, otherwise at least one NPC would've mentioned it, they never put his speech explicitly because its supposed to be your own. Its the same reason why the whole link/midna/illia debate doesn't make much sense, Nintendo did a pretty good job by making Link empty as a character, any implications about him, his feelings or personality is just your own personal projections Midna wasnt that hot really, get over it...
Except that there are MANY times when he isn't us. We have no feelings for Ilia at the start, but he does. Heck, do we ever have feelings for Ilia other than "she seems nice"? Link clearly is a character in his own right but he's severely damaged by them never letting him talk. I understand the history and tradition of Link as the silent hero but that's the only reason not to make him talk. Yes voice casting him would be damn near impossible, but that just means they need to get it right. Having Link talk isn't going to make him hard to identify, not if he's well written.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2007, 01:54:55 AM
*shakes head with hand over face*
Link being a mute has absolutely nothing to do with tradition, considering Aonuma and Miyamoto have explained their decision MANY times...We are supposed to be in the shoes of Link, that is all...
"Except that there are MANY times when he isn't us. We have no feelings for Ilia at the start, but he does."
Good grief, this is just ridiculous...Are we supposed to play as Link from when he is a baby up to the point where Twilight Princess starts just so we can see how the feelings between the two lovebirds blooms? And holy crap, do you not understand about how emotions like love work? "Link loves this character, so we should too, right?" Um, no...
How would having Link talk help anything besides tearing the player away from the character? I would much rather take the "inconsistencies" with the player actually being Link over a complete trashing of the already perfect formula...
Post by: matt oz on January 28, 2007, 03:37:20 AM
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Post by: Artimus on January 28, 2007, 04:58:27 AM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
If you don't want Link to talk, then turn off the voice acting when they make him talk.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Well, let me be clear that I don't mean voice acting (as much as it would be good for the Zelda series and add personality) but actual dialogue for Link. He currently has none and it's kind of silly considering the series has moved away from its roots to deeper storytelling.
I don't see how having characters speak to someone who never replies makes the game more immersive. If he's well written then we will identify with him regardless of whether or not he has dialogue.
Post by: Ceric on January 28, 2007, 05:12:40 AM
Also on the Midna thing I knew what was explained but I meant more inline with when she was actually back in the Twilight Realm.
Post by: mantidor on January 28, 2007, 06:28:04 AM
No, it would be like a movie, and we would take a more passive role, and it would suck, theres enough wannabe-movie games already.
Link being left handed is tradition, if they keep him left handed (and I really hope they do) it would be for no other reason than tradition, because it has no impact in gameplay, but Link not talking is not a tradition, thats not the reason behind it, is the way the dev team let you make the experience more interactive, and the impact on gameplay would be significant, and in bad way.
And besides, he does have the ocasional written dialogue, but only if we can chose it. Take one simple example, Zelda after telling you her dream in Ocarina asks if you believe her or not, the answer doesn't matter at all, you have to eventually believe her because the game has to continue, so it seems the whole question was unnecessary but it wasn't, it lets you decide whether you want Link to be someone who trusts people or not, all Zelda games are filled all around with those insignificant details but their accumulated effect is what makes the game so good.
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2007, 07:35:13 AM
I think they should've kept Zelda as it used to be and not try to force feed a story that isn't really that great to begin with. I've established that I hate bulk text. If Nintendo doesn't want voice acting in Zelda, then stick with text, just give us less of it. Zelda fans are pretty divided on the issue of making the games more cinemtic with deeper plots and voice acting. Honestly, I don't care. I'd rather they just pick a side (cinematic or not cinematic) because long cinemas without voice acting is annoying. That's right in the center, taking the worst parts of either side. Give me Zelda with short cinemas and text boxes. There's always the prospect of a new franchise.
Post by: Artimus on January 28, 2007, 08:05:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
If we're supposed to be in Link's shoes, then the player's choices should have more effect on the game. Using Mantidor's example, what if you chose not to believe Zelda? Then, you weren't asked again and forced to believe her. Instead something else happens? Your choice affects the direction of the game. I remember in the beginning of Chrono Trigger when you first meet Marle. You slam into her, but what you choose to do next affects the game. That choice didn't significantly alter the game; it was just cool that your choices mattered in some way.
I have no problem with this either. This also makes far more sense than the current model.
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I think they should've kept Zelda as it used to be and not try to force feed a story that isn't really that great to begin with. I've established that I hate bulk text. If Nintendo doesn't want voice acting in Zelda, then stick with text, just give us less of it. Zelda fans are pretty divided on the issue of making the games more cinemtic with deeper plots and voice acting. Honestly, I don't care. I'd rather they just pick a side (cinematic or not cinematic) because long cinemas without voice acting is annoying. That's right in the center, taking the worst parts of either side. Give me Zelda with short cinemas and text boxes. There's always the prospect of a new franchise.
Problem is that there are now four 3D Zeldas, 6 2D Zeldas, 1 sidescroller and an upcoming 2.5D Zelda. They cover ever part of the gameplay to story spectrum from all gameplay (Zelda 1) to gameplay with some story (Ocarina) to great gameplay with more of a story (TP). There's not really a lot about Zelda to improve on or fix. TP basically perfects Ocarina and fixes its flaws. 2D Zelda have never been as good as LttP and LA. As amazing as the games are there comes a time when a sequel cannot possibly advance the model any further. At that point you have to either abandon the series or reinvent it. We can see this with Mario. Mario 64 essentially did all you need to with 3D Mario and then SMS was just treading water. So with Galaxy they've tried to redesign the series so it feels just the same but is exciting and new. The time has come for that to be done with Zelda. Obviously the answer is NOT making it full of story like a Square game. Obviously the answer has nothing to do with voice acting (it's just so painful, like you said, when they're using cinematics with lips moving and no voice). What's the answer? I don't know. But maybe integrating the player into a story more is the answer. Perhaps Zelda could redefine how we view 'story' in games by making us control it (but not in the GTA open-ended sense). Or maybe the solution is just to replace the dungeon model. Who knows.
I just hope they really challenge themselves with the first full-fledged Wii Zelda and really find a way to reinvigorate the series. I didn't feel TP was stale at all (criticisms its "just more Zelda" truly baffle me). But I'm afraid the formula is now perfected and I want to see some new ideas and the series break ground again.
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Post by: Smoke39 on January 28, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
If you don't want Link to talk, then turn off the voice acting when they make him talk.
You really think they'd give us the option?
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Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2007, 03:57:06 PM
I wouldn't mind another console cel-shaded Zelda. Cel-shading was never the problem. Regardless of the graphical style, it's the gameplay that will continue to define Zelda so I hope it reinvents itself more than it has the past few games.
I still like my idea that the choices the player makes actually changes the direction of the game. If Nintendo really means for the player to be Link, what better way than making the player's decisions actually matter.
Zelda: Do you believe my story?
Link: No.
*Zelda looks down in shame*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 05:38:11 AM
I going back and collecting all those rupees I had to leave behind since my rupee bag was always full and I now have something to actually spend rupees on Castle bridge and Goron Store in Hyrule and Bug collecting is an easy way to make money and I figure there is a heart peice reward at the end if you complete the task. That is why I wanted to know.
Post by: mantidor on January 31, 2007, 06:00:02 AM
And if you really want to know the bug reward
its just the big wallet ¬_¬"OH LOOK MORE RUPEES!"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 06:07:03 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
There are no "one time only" things in TP as far as I know, something I hated in the WW and the figurine collection.
And if you really want to know the bug reward
its just the big wallet ¬_¬"OH LOOK MORE RUPEES!"
well, I tried going back, but the entrance was blocked.
I guess I could always try again later.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 31, 2007, 09:37:30 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
its just the big wallet ¬_¬"OH LOOK MORE RUPEES!"
Giant. You get the big one the first time you give her a bug (or maybe just the first time you talk to her).
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 10:13:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
In my heart of hearts... I haven't given up on sailing.
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Mental Note: Kill all Heart of Hearts that thinks like Kairon's.
Post by: MaryJane on January 31, 2007, 01:57:48 PM
Anyway I finished with 17 hearts and 4 heart pieces, kind of pissed, but the finally battle against Gannon was IMO the best boss battle ever! The game took me 56+ hours to complete, and I managed to get all 24 bugs, and all the heart pieces I got without using a Players Guide of any type! I got stuck a good number of times and fell asleep for 15 minutes once too, but hey I came home from a party and it was going on 5a.m so I have an excuse, it certainly wasn't the games fault.
Ahh... When does the next one come out?
Edit: I wouldn't mind seeing sailing come back to Zelda, as long as it wasn't the main form of the game. I like riding Epona, there were a good number of times I chose to ride Epona to get from one place to the next rather than portaling. (BTW Hyrule is really really big!) But sailing could be good too, like just to get to a one or two islands off the mainland, that have specials stores or even a dungeon or a second cave of ordeals. Something along those lines, but not full out Wind Waker style, although I did enjoy that game a lot.
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 02:08:35 PM
She is IMMEASURABLY sexier WITH hips and those giant eyes you can just fall into, that aggressive, exotic chinese-like highly-feminine-pitched language, that supple curvy form and that slight smirk and OH what a derriere!
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Fifth Element tall, skinny, Eva-Green look-a-like Midna doesn't cut it.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: MarioAllStar on January 31, 2007, 02:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I like riding Epona, there were a good number of times I chose to ride Epona to get from one place to the next rather than portaling. (BTW Hyrule is really really big!)
I did this a few times too. I hope next time Nintendo gives a horse to Link that the player doesn't have to press the "A" button every four seconds. It makes horse riding into chore and I end up pressing the A button rapidly because I am too lazy to time my button presses. Either Epona needs to stay faster for longer periods of time, or Nintendo should ditch the carrot/spur system.
Post by: MaryJane on January 31, 2007, 02:17:43 PM
The "true" Midna actually had some boobs, and hip curve, and talk about derrier, plus how the dress she was wearing MMMMMMM mmm, leggage up the ying yang! lol
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 06:19:58 PM
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I can finally post in here now that tonight, I beat Zelda! I didn't want anything spoiled, although I had a few things spoiled along the way, I'm curious though as to the spoiler tags, when the title says spoiler discussion thread? Like should I spoiler tag that I think the "true" Midna was hotter than Zelda?
Just cause Spoilers are being discussed doesn't mean you need to spoil it for others that may just have a question and want to ask those that have already beaten the game. I come in here not to read whats under the spoilers, but to ask a question about where I am at in the game to let me know if I am onto something and should keep trying, or should I just move on. Nothing more & Nothing less.
P.S. I still can't get back into the Sacred Garden area to get that second bug. (I assume that is where the other half of the pair is at) Should I just move on to the desert and come back later, or should I just forget about it all together since there are no ins & outs?
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 01, 2007, 03:02:42 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
P.S. I still can't get back into the Sacred Garden area to get that second bug. (I assume that is where the other half of the pair is at) Should I just move on to the desert and come back later, or should I just forget about it all together since there are no ins & outs?
If you don't want to risk spoilage, there's the gameplay strategy forum. Anyway, regarding your question: Just move on. You will have another opportunity later.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2007, 04:46:36 AM
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Post by: MaryJane on February 01, 2007, 06:26:16 AM
Are we all agreed? Man Law!
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 03, 2007, 08:21:29 PM
58 hours??? Wow, I've clocked in about 37 and I've been wasting time towards the end to look if there's ANYTHING interesting left to find. I did get a few hearts and ammo upgrades but none of them were useful for the final dungeon. Hell, I didn't even use any of my healing potions in the final battle and I'm horrible at sword fighting in 3d Zelda!
Post by: Kairon on February 03, 2007, 08:33:17 PM
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Post by: Caliban on February 04, 2007, 10:18:59 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 10:21:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Zelda is anorexic, true-Midna looks healthy.
QFT
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 11:06:37 AM
Then again, I was captivated by the story so much that I didn't pay attention to how the characters looked.
This is Zelda, not DoA people! :p
Post by: Smoke39 on February 04, 2007, 11:19:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Link is hotter than both of them, end of discussion.
Again, QFT.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 11:28:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Link is hotter than both of them, end of discussion.
I believe that out of all the Links that have been made that make the fangirls go SQUEE!!!!! the TP Link makes them go SQUEEE!!!! the hardest and here's why:
- This Link is STRONG. True, the other Links were strong, capable and great fighters, but this Link means business. He is able to stop goats on their tracks and turn them over, he OPENS the doors and gates they don't automatically open for him and overall Link does far more manual labor in TP than in any other Zelda games.
- He is extremely expressive in TP. There are some expressions that define pretty boy, and as anime has proved girls go crazy over pretty boys with big, cute, expressive puppy eyes.
- Link is awesome as a wolf. He embodies everything that make wolves awesome animals.
- And the biggest one of all...I think this is the first time Link is shirt less. Seriously, when I was playing the game with SB, the minute Link appeared shirt less I said; "...and all the fangirls just wet themselves...".
And S_B, you might want to rephrase that last statement...I know what you mean is that Link is so pretty that he is able to overshadow pretty women, but agreeing that Link is hot is, well..weird.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
Link's just too damn pretty.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
Link's just too damn pretty.
Post by: mantidor on February 04, 2007, 12:08:42 PM
Zelda and Midna though are pretty but they don't have the correct proportions, Zelda's head is too big for her body and Midna's is too small, I realize these were style choices and that not a single character has correct proportions, but that prevents me from looking at them as hot/sexy characters.
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 12:12:44 PM
Oh and mantidor, Midna's impish proportions are a caricature of feminine proportions, the hourglass, the big hips, the curves... and all of that is evaluated subconsciously. The only way you can deny the innate sexuality of imp Midna is to suppress the thoughts due to conscious taboos or some such stuff.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Link's face in this is SO MASCULINE compared to previous links. This is perhaps the hands-down MOSDT MASCULINE Link Nintendo has ever put forward.
Oh and mantidor, Midna's impish proportions are a caricature of feminine proportions, the hourglass, the big hips, the curves... and all of that is evaluated subconsciously. The only way you can deny the innate sexuality of imp Midna is to suppress the thoughts due to conscious taboos or some such stuff.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
He is still a pretty boy, but I agree that this Link was tough and manly.
As for Midna, what appealed to me was her attitude. The way she spoke, acted and expressed herself. That captivated me a lot. I sometimes find myself attracted to a character not because she is hot but because she has such a great personality and Midna is said case. She is not hot, but she is cute, sassy and most importantly powerful.
On and S_B I forgot to mention that I was kidding when I said that. Its true that Link is pretty but he PALES in comparison to anything done in the anime and manga industry as well as every male character created by Square in the last 10 years.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 02:19:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
True, Link is no WWP (woman with penis) like may animes are fond of propagating, as well as Square...
Not to mention that Link isn't angsty, mopey, depressed or constantly whining. He is TOUGH.
I can bet anything that any of Square's pretty boys would run away when a goat comes their way.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 04, 2007, 03:34:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Link is hotter than both of them, end of discussion.
I believe that out of all the Links that have been made that make the fangirls go SQUEE!!!!! the TP Link makes them go SQUEEE!!!! the hardest and here's why:
STUFF
What is all this convoluted speculation!? Just look at the competition!
SQUARES ARE PRETTY HOT
TRIANGLES are even HOTTER.
What IS that, a mosquito?
SEX
NO CONTEST
Post by: MarioAllStar on February 04, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
I am the only one who thought Link didn't always look awesome but overall looked much better than in OoT?
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Edit: Wow this thread is turning all kinds of awkward thinking... I'm out.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 07:32:53 PM
Also imp Midna is only hourglass shaped if you think the three measurements refer to head-chest-belly. She's got a pot belly.
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well if money isn't an issue why not buy one off eBay or Amazon?
i do have enough money to buy one of one of those sites, but everytime i go on amazon they're all like $450 and i'm not spending xtra money just cause i'm impacient. also, i'm not buying off ebay, i just like buying off companies, not random people trying to sell a wii for xtra money. i saw one on there sometime i don't remember when, but someone was trying to sell one for like $1,000. that's f-ing rediculous! i'd just rather get one from a company, or if amazon has one new, not used from ebay.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 07, 2007, 12:28:17 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2007, 07:35:11 AM
I'm looking for the last 2 bugs that I can't find. One I assume is near the Hyrule Bridge cause I found the first one there and the 2nd in the Secret Grove.
I need to know where exactly is the bug near the bridge is at(the first ws on the rock wall where all the slime creatures are) and if I should have found the other Garden bug before I enetered the Temple of Time(the first being in that little side alley near the two Statues gurading the Master Sword), meaning is it hidden somewhere in that maze of a garden and if so which section
I searched all I could in that garden but those regenerating garden skeletons were annoying the hell out of me so I just moved on.
any help would be great.
Post by: Kairon on February 09, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
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It's closer to a pear.
And boy is Midna RIPE!
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2007, 07:44:47 AM
The female snail near the Temple of Time is in the upper area with the gate leading to the temple, I think somewhere to the front and right, around where you push the crate down that allows you to go from the lower area that has the gate to the Master Sword pedestal to the upper area where the gate to the Temple is.
EDIT: Ah, nonsense, the female snail is in the entrance area between the gate through time and the temple of time, on the right side of the stairs you come down from the gate, IIRC
Note that I have the unmirrored version of TP, if you have the mirrored you have to switch the sides obviously.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2007, 07:54:38 AM
damn right it's Twili Princess Midna. She's got a great body under the provision she's wearing a paper bag over her head
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