Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 10, 2006, 11:54:05 AM
The reactions are priceless...
Here's the link:
Joystiq's "in depth" impressions NSFW though
If what the guy said about the Wii is true (assuming the editor didn't "enhance" the impressions for the shock value) all I have to say is...I am EXTREMELY grateful to in the group of friends I am today. If the guys impressions on the Wii are true, then we can tell the type of person he is.
Although, I have the feeling the editor posted this to get some kind reaction. After all, if I had gotten a Wii to review and my friend/roommate made those type of comments I wouldn't even post it on the site because:
1. I wouldn't want to show off a friend like that
2. His or her reactions give no real insight in the console
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 11:55:59 AM
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2006, 12:15:25 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 10, 2006, 12:28:56 PM
"It feels like I'm holding my dick in my hand."
That's when you know he isn't aware that his friend is going to post the impressions up on the internet.
Considering the guy is a real tennis player I am not surprised that he is not interested in WiiSports. He would probably prefer something like Virtua Tennis.
I wonder if the Wii's powers are immune to skeptics. The fact that motion control doesn't do exactly what you want makes it easy to rip into the thing. I think people with the "oooo, this looks neat" attitude are going to appreciate it more. I'm skeptical (like I haven't expressed that a hundred times) and so far the best I'm getting out of Wii impressions is that the control is responsive for ExciteTruck. It works and that's all I really care about. I've been worried about things controlling like crap. I haven't been excited about HOW the remote is used, just that it isn't used poorly.
Post by: ThePerm on November 10, 2006, 12:36:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 10, 2006, 02:12:53 PM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 10, 2006, 02:37:54 PM
lol, then it should feel totally natural, m i rite?
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 10, 2006, 02:37:56 PM
What a delightful moron.
Post by: Strell on November 10, 2006, 03:02:12 PM
It's not amusing. It's just stupid. This is the journalistic dignitary equivalent to second grade "Johnny smells" bs.
Post by: JonLeung on November 10, 2006, 05:44:59 PM
QuoteIf it feels like that, it must feel pretty good, in which case, I wouldn't complain!
It feels like I'm holding my dick in my hand.
I agree with everyone...WTF is wrong with this guy? And I had hoped that everyone even REMOTELY interested in video games must have some idea what the Wii is. It seems quite unfair that this guy doesn't know anything about it and got to play it before millions of people who actually want to do.
If there's anything worse than a cynical person, it's a cynical person who can't shut up. He was dissing Nintendo from the start before he even got to any of the games. I would'nt've bothered getting his opinion, roommate or not, if he's already so extremely biased that he can't shut up about how much he already hates it before trying it.
Post by: Mario on November 10, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
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The fact that he was so negative about the Wii before even turning it on makes most of his opinions meaningless to me.
Exactly.
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Considering the guy is a real tennis player I am not surprised that he is not interested in WiiSports. He would probably prefer something like Virtua Tennis.
Unless Virtua Tennis is on Wii then I don't see why a tennis player would rather use a joystick with only about 6 options when hitting the ball.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 05:56:02 PM
What if I told you that I'm a "real tennis player" myself, and also told you that I prefer arcadey tennis games over garbage like Virtua Tennis?
(And seriously, a REAL tennis player would want to actually "hit" the ball, not press a button...)
Post by: Shecky on November 10, 2006, 06:02:01 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 06:19:27 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuoteIf it feels like that, it must feel pretty good, in which case, I wouldn't complain!
It feels like I'm holding my dick in my hand.
Link's pretty enough.
Don't need to be stirring up THOSE kinds of emotions while playing TP...
Post by: Crimm on November 10, 2006, 07:41:41 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
This is a stunt right? He's making it up to increase hits, right?
It is on joystiq!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2006, 09:08:53 PM
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Originally posted by: CrimmQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
This is a stunt right? He's making it up to increase hits, right?
It is on joystiq!
So, if enough people complain, they will fire the douche-bag writer and blame him for everything, even though they knew all about it ahead of time? Then the writer goes over to work for Destructoid and continues to be an offensive, loudmouth, attention seeker?
Post by: Pittbboi on November 11, 2006, 06:45:11 AM
And certainly not flick their wrist in a game that tries to mimic playing tennis but doesn't come close, using a controller that tries to mimic a racket but doesn't come close...
Sorry, but Wii Tennis isn't going to win any points with the REAL tennis players.
And honestly, this should be taken seriously. Yeah, the guy definitely sounds like a tool, but he also sounds pretty representative of the majority of the gaming public, and also non-gamers. Of all my friends who went with me to the Fusion Tour stop at my school (about 7 of us), only one besides me left really wanting a Wii, and he wanted it before then. Everyone else were either like this guy, or like his girlfriend--entertained by the Wii, but not enough to form any opinion other than "meh" and not swayed into buying it. There were some comments that raised concern:
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"I'm very skeptical of how it will play. No matter what motion you do it looks like one motion. I'm very doubtful it'll pick up the nuances. For example, take tennis [he's a strong tennis player], I'm very doubtful this thing will pick up the flick of a wrist, the spin, the power, the touch of a racket. I think it'll just start making up crap and filling in the blanks, like those arcade boxing games where no matter what you do it's the same punch over and over. It won't come close to the motion that you actually have to do."
Simply because, as someone who's excited for the Wii, I have the same worries. The wiimote still has loads of potential, but a lot of the Wii's early games seem to be riding off of "Oh look! I move my hand and the screen does something!" There isn't a single game I've read about or played that has demonstrated the superiority and potential of the wiimote--Sure there are games where the wiimote performs well enough that you won't miss the standard controller, but nothing has yet come up that has made people go "Crap! Why didn't they think of this sooner!?"
I'm not saying the wiimote doesn't have that potential, because I believe it does. But they need to hurry up and show it, or they'll find a lot of their target audience reacting like this guy here.
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"It's ok, it's a little childish. The characters are childish looking." When pressed to expand on these comments, she says, "There's this cloud above their heads when they lose in tennis. But in Ping Pong, the players are so realistic. They like cry [when they miss] and go 'yeah!' when they score a point. You get into a lot more into it because they're real. In this one they've got like plastic smiles permanently. This is like little Lego people. They could have made the graphics just like other graphics -- i don't know why they had to make it look like Lego people."
This is bad, because it's coming from the exact type of person they're aiming to attract with their graphical style...
Post by: zakkiel on November 11, 2006, 07:26:01 AM
QuoteYou've never even heard of anecdotal arguments, have you?
And honestly, this should be taken seriously. Yeah, the guy definitely sounds like a tool, but he also sounds pretty representative of the majority of the gaming public, and also non-gamers.
One of the most amusing things about Wii Sports is that everyone starts off with, "Oh, I'll just flick my wrist, I'm much too sophisticated to use this like a racket" and ends up tossing imaginary balls and swinging like a madman.
QuoteI take it you haven't read a single Zelda preview in the last month.
There isn't a single game I've read about or played that has demonstrated the superiority and potential of the wiimote--Sure there are games where the wiimote performs well enough that you won't miss the standard controller, but nothing has yet come up that has made people go "Crap! Why didn't they think of this sooner!?"
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 11, 2006, 07:30:33 AM
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And certainly not flick their wrist in a game that tries to mimic playing tennis but doesn't come close, using a controller that tries to mimic a racket but doesn't come close...
Sorry, but Wii Tennis isn't going to win any points with the REAL tennis players.
Did you just not read what I said? I...AM...A...REAL...TENNIS...PLAYER...And I'm absolutely dying to play Wii Tennis...So automatically your little generalization is just dead off the mark...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 11, 2006, 07:33:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
"And seriously, a REAL tennis player would want to actually "hit" the ball, not press a button..."
And certainly not flick their wrist in a game that tries to mimic playing tennis but doesn't come close, using a controller that tries to mimic a racket but doesn't come close...
Sorry, but Wii Tennis isn't going to win any points with the REAL tennis players.
And honestly, this should be taken seriously. Yeah, the guy definitely sounds like a tool, but he also sounds pretty representative of the majority of the gaming public, and also non-gamers. Of all my friends who went with me to the Fusion Tour stop at my school (about 7 of us), only one besides me left really wanting a Wii, and he wanted it before then. Everyone else were either like this guy, or like his girlfriend--entertained by the Wii, but not enough to form any opinion other than "meh" and not swayed into buying it. There were some comments that raised concern:Quote
"I'm very skeptical of how it will play. No matter what motion you do it looks like one motion. I'm very doubtful it'll pick up the nuances. For example, take tennis [he's a strong tennis player], I'm very doubtful this thing will pick up the flick of a wrist, the spin, the power, the touch of a racket. I think it'll just start making up crap and filling in the blanks, like those arcade boxing games where no matter what you do it's the same punch over and over. It won't come close to the motion that you actually have to do."
Simply because, as someone who's excited for the Wii, I have the same worries. The wiimote still has loads of potential, but a lot of the Wii's early games seem to be riding off of "Oh look! I move my hand and the screen does something!" There isn't a single game I've read about or played that has demonstrated the superiority and potential of the wiimote--Sure there are games where the wiimote performs well enough that you won't miss the standard controller, but nothing has yet come up that has made people go "Crap! Why didn't they think of this sooner!?"
I'm not saying the wiimote doesn't have that potential, because I believe it does. But they need to hurry up and show it, or they'll find a lot of their target audience reacting like this guy here.Quote
"It's ok, it's a little childish. The characters are childish looking." When pressed to expand on these comments, she says, "There's this cloud above their heads when they lose in tennis. But in Ping Pong, the players are so realistic. They like cry [when they miss] and go 'yeah!' when they score a point. You get into a lot more into it because they're real. In this one they've got like plastic smiles permanently. This is like little Lego people. They could have made the graphics just like other graphics -- i don't know why they had to make it look like Lego people."
This is bad, because it's coming from the exact type of person they're aiming to attract with their graphical style...
1. What you said about real tennis players not enjoying Wii Tennis because they rather hit the ball than pressing a button, guess what? That same idea can be applied to EVERY SINGLE SPORTS SIM OUT THERE. What do you in a basketball game? You hit buttons in order to pass and shoot the ball? Baseball? Hit buttons to hit the ball and throw the ball. Golf? Same thing. In fact, you have to hit buttons in order to determine the strength of your swing.
OF COURSE people will prefer real sports over the sim sports, but its silly to apply this solely on Wii sports when even the detailed and hardcore sim sports games suffer from the same problem.
And Pittboi, your concerns are EXACTLY the same as those when the DS was released. Everybody was worried if the touch screen method would catch on as a gaming innovation and gamers would accept it. Worse, the majority of the launch games were quick, simple mini game based games that use the touch screen in small doses. And look where the DS is NOW. The DS went from a side project to a major pillar at Nintendo. All sorts of games have been released, everything from the innovative, non traditional games to the hardcore games everyone loves.
And I'm sorry, while this guy does some have some valid concerns, it is VERY unfair of you to say he "represents" the majority of both the gaming and non gaming communities. Seriously, when he compares the controller to a DICK, you know something is seriously wrong with this guy. I've met all sorts of gamers, everything from this guy to the really smart, creative and witty ones. To categorize these gamers in the same category as this guy is almost an insult...
Plus, most of his concerns are preference issues, not any real game breaking issues. I'm sure that for every gamer that isn't pleased with the look of Wii sports there are some that either love it or don't mind it at ALL. So no, you shouldn't use this guys preferences as a real conflict of the Wii.
In fact, I just noticed a pattern here...
1. Console is announced, everyone's excited
2. All games and details of the console are revealed, everyone's excited
3. The console and games are almost released, concerns and issues arise
Again, the DS went through the same period back when it was released, and now look where it is. Just give it time and you can say whatever you want about the launch games not being "convincing" enough, but the reality is that the games offer far more in terms of what the Wii can do than the DS ever did when it first launch. Period.
Post by: Strell on November 11, 2006, 07:34:03 AM
The other night I was at Target, and two college guys walk by the little Wii endcap, and one of them seriously lifts his hand, points as it, and says loudly "This is all that I want for Christmas."
His friend proceeded to agree.
I really think people are over the name, and I think playing is believing. I think all the naysayers now will either shut up or prove they are mindless fanboys after the 19th. That doesn't mean I don't think there will be honest detractors, but I think the level of "it's not proven bla bla bla" nonsense we've heard is going to settle, and we're going to see a huge shift in the mainstream.
I'm getting progressively more worried I won't get one at launch, and I live in Redneck Goattown USA.
Post by: OverHeat on November 11, 2006, 07:45:13 AM
"It looks all f@ggy....This just feels stupid. It feels like I'm holding my d*ck in my hand. I just feel stupid holding this thing."
Sounds like someone should stop lieing to his girlfriend and seek out more information on sex change operations. Any other males here feel "stupid" when they hold their members? Kinda makes me feel like, you know.. a MAN?!!
Post by: Strell on November 11, 2006, 07:49:02 AM
And then after awhile it makes me feel good.
Post by: OverHeat on November 11, 2006, 07:49:38 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on November 11, 2006, 07:59:30 AM
And, as far as tennis goes, this is the first I've heard of anyone doing that. Everyone I know started out trying to actually play the game like they would a real game of tennis and by the end of their play had degenerated into wrist flicks because you got better results that way.
" I take it you haven't read a single Zelda preview in the last month. "
Yeah, and I've played the game myself. As I said, I believe in the potential of the wiimote, I'm not completely bashing it. The wiimote performs exceptionally well in TP, but in my opinion only enough to make you not really miss the standard controller in most areas. The fact that it even does that is testament to Nintendo's dedication to their franchises, but even then some reviews have stated that Zelda has its minor control issues. The wiimote needs to go beyond the standard controller so thoroughly that people have a hard time figuring out how they ever played games without it, and not just be an acceptable alternative. I think a lot of Nintendo's new target audience will react like this guy if they just let the wiimote rest on acceptable alternative. Again, I do think the wiimote has the potential, but they need to hurry up and fully exploit that.
"Did you just not read what I said? I...AM...A...REAL...TENNIS...PLAYER...And I'm absolutely dying to play Wii Tennis...So automatically your little generalization is just dead off the mark... "
Wow, congratulations, pal. Didn't mean to step on your toes there, but "I...AM...A...REAL...TENNIS...PLAYER..." too and I have played Wii Tennis, so I stand by my opinion. Sure, people will like it, but some people won't, and I'm inclined to believe that most people who actually play and enjoy tennis probably won't.
Post by: Strell on November 11, 2006, 08:04:07 AM
It's a glorified tech demo. You can't control your character directly, there's not a plethora of options, no big single player mode, etc etc etc. It's also one of the first games out for the system.
I imagine when game dev revs up, we'll get Mario Tennis Wii, and all of those issues will be fixed. I imagine it will then require larger swings, or at least have the option to do so, so that tennis games don't become wrist flicks. Someone else might make a realistic tennis game where swings are required, etc etc.
The problem here is that we have enough fat slobs complaining "omg I'm going to get tired." So the only real option is to allow someone to swing away AND to modify it to small flicks.
At any rate, Wii Sports is the absolute tip of the iceberg. Sh*t. It's a snowflake about to land on the iceberg. And it's going to do a good enough job to convince nongamers (especially) AND gamers alike that this thing is real and will be a lot of fun. I have absolutely no question about that now, given the almost universal appeal found in reviews.
But we'll just have to wait and see. Everyone is so caught up in the launch wave right now that we're not looking down the road a year from now, where I believe the true test lies.
Post by: mantidor on November 11, 2006, 09:40:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
And certainly not flick their wrist in a game that tries to mimic playing tennis but doesn't come close, using a controller that tries to mimic a racket but doesn't come close...
Sorry, but Wii Tennis isn't going to win any points with the REAL tennis players.
Did you just not read what I said? I...AM...A...REAL...TENNIS...PLAYER...And I'm absolutely dying to play Wii Tennis...So automatically your little generalization is just dead off the mark...
and you are BILL, the biggest Nintendo nut Ive ever seen
no offense, but I think most of us downplay your reactions, the most accurate thing actually is to mix yours with Ian's. Im sure that among tennis players, you are the exception rather than the rule.Im not even going to bother with this, Joistiq has been having a grudge with the wii all this time for god knows what reason and they barely post an objective article these days. Ok, I know that that is the ways of gaming "journalism", but Joistiq has already crossed the line of subtle subjectivity to blatantly obvious hate.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 11, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
But seriously, my fanboyism has nothing to do with my objective opinion in stating this...Being a tennis player, I'd rather mimic the movements in a tennis game rather than pressing a button...
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Post by: Arbok on November 11, 2006, 05:06:09 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
OMG, negative opinions. I predict a 5 page thread to discredit them.
I'll see your 5, and raise you another 3.
Post by: Strell on November 11, 2006, 05:10:10 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
OMG, negative opinions.
These aren't negative opinions. They're biased pre-decided dumbass ones.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 11, 2006, 05:14:51 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
OMG, negative opinions that a 12 year old would probaly give. I predict a 5 page thread to discredit them.
There that is more like it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 11, 2006, 05:21:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
I'll see your 5, and raise you another 3.
I call and raise.
I think I can win this on the flop...
Post by: Renny on November 11, 2006, 09:42:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Douchebag
It feels like I'm holding my dick in my hand. ...It's very light and flimsy.
From God's lips to his, uh... Wiimote.
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on November 12, 2006, 01:27:32 AM
Post by: BigJim on November 12, 2006, 11:19:49 AM
"... opinions that a 12 year old would probaly give."
Yeah, that's the stuff. Three more pages to go.
Post by: Pale on November 12, 2006, 12:42:37 PM
Also, with just enough of this bad press Wii will be easier to get on launch day!
