Post by: ThePerm on November 06, 2006, 06:28:34 PM
Post by: RiskyChris on November 06, 2006, 07:52:40 PM
Okami screams Wii... if only...
Post by: TrueNerd on November 06, 2006, 07:59:09 PM
But yeah, I agree, there should more games that rip off Zelda. And Metroid. As long as they do it well.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 07, 2006, 05:44:54 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 07, 2006, 06:12:34 AM
I think I just like Zelda so much that when other companies add or remove things to make their Zelda clone unique I don't care for the changes. Often they're adding RPG stuff like leveling up and such. I suppose if I somehow ever made a commercial videogame a good idea might be to make a Zelda clone that actually holds up to the original. Release that on both the Wii and the competing consoles that have no Zelda and CHING CHING.
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2006, 09:38:30 AM
Sphinx is actually a VERY well put together game. It just lacks... magic.
BTW, could we call Prince of Persia a near-Zelda title?
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Post by: Smoke39 on November 07, 2006, 09:45:54 AM
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2006, 09:50:48 AM
Story/Combat/Puzzles
I played Sphynx and thought it sucked, it didn't miss magic per-se, it missed presentation and coherence.
I thought star fox adventures was pretty good despite some short-comings, had there been 10 games on cube like that it would have been perfect. Even if the games are not perfect, the thing I like about these are gameplay. For instance, i really liked playing Fable.
More Zelda clones/ripp offs!!!
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2006, 09:58:11 AM
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Post by: Plugabugz on November 07, 2006, 10:09:59 AM
Or maybe developers don't try at all knowing the inevitable zelda comparisons that come of it?
Post by: zakkiel on November 07, 2006, 10:14:12 AM
QuoteEntirely linear + practically no NPCs = most definitely not.
BTW, could we call Prince of Persia a near-Zelda title?
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2006, 01:22:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 07, 2006, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on November 07, 2006, 01:57:44 PM
Post by: Jensen on November 07, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
But yeah, I agree, there should more games that rip off Zelda. And Metroid.
You should try Cave Story. It's a freeware PC game. Not really too much like any other game I've played, but I'd put it in the same category as Metroid, adventure/platformer/shooter.
Post by: IceCold on November 07, 2006, 04:37:34 PM
Quote...how?
Resident Evil 4 was very zelda-esque and i liked it!
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 07, 2006, 04:43:18 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on November 07, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
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Originally posted by: JensenQuote
Originally posted by: TrueNerd
But yeah, I agree, there should more games that rip off Zelda. And Metroid.
You should try Cave Story. It's a freeware PC game. Not really too much like any other game I've played, but I'd put it in the same category as Metroid, adventure/platformer/shooter.
Cave Story is a really charming little game. Everyone should paly it.
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2006, 04:55:19 PM
basically
RE4 -- / -- Zelda
inventory -- / -- inventory
cloaked Salesman / -- cloaked salesman
melee -- / -- melee
ranged weopons -- / -- ranged weopons
money -- / -- money
story -- / -- story
Ganados --/--Talon and Ingo
if you look at the games, they are really not that different. Its just re4 doesnt have an overworld nor a sword...everythign else takes a page from zelda
Post by: IceCold on November 07, 2006, 05:16:15 PM
Post by: Jensen on November 07, 2006, 05:21:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Cave Story is a really charming little game. Everyone should paly it.
I'd like to see a game like Cave Story on the virtual console, I'm not really interested in buying many old nintendo games.
Post by: Jensen on November 07, 2006, 06:04:58 PM
A mostly non-linear, open world, with new areas opened up with new items. Energy Tank/heart upgrade. Killing baddies may give you some life or ammo. The bosses can be very similar.
Even the 3D Mario games are similar in that they have large, open levels with ability upgrades.
Post by: ThePerm on November 08, 2006, 09:45:42 AM
Post by: wandering on November 08, 2006, 09:52:32 AM
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A mostly non-linear, open world
You know what other game has this? Zork.
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Originally posted by: Smoke39Quote
Originally posted by: JensenQuote
Originally posted by: TrueNerd
But yeah, I agree, there should more games that rip off Zelda. And Metroid.
You should try Cave Story. It's a freeware PC game. Not really too much like any other game I've played, but I'd put it in the same category as Metroid, adventure/platformer/shooter.
Cave Story is a really charming little game. Everyone should paly it.
This is true.
Post by: ThePerm on December 01, 2006, 03:02:02 PM
Post by: MorningStar on December 01, 2006, 08:54:49 PM
Post by: UncleBob on December 02, 2006, 01:15:25 AM
Anywhoo, Spiritual Warfare is the best damn 2D Zelda Clone ever made. It's actually a fairy decent game.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 02, 2006, 02:38:05 AM
Leave Zelda to the professionals, please.
Post by: SixthAngel on December 02, 2006, 03:48:48 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Wasn't Dark Cloud for the PS2 supposed to be the Zelda Killer?
Anywhoo, Spiritual Warfare is the best damn 2D Zelda Clone ever made. It's actually a fairy decent game.
Dark Cloud was legitimately one of the worst games I ever played, it was one giant chore. I believe the Alundra games are very Zelda like but I haven't been able to find them yet in a used game store.
Post by: ThePerm on December 02, 2006, 03:50:13 AM
all zelda is is a game where you travel city to city. Each city has a nearby dungeon, which you can only access
by using an item you earned in the previous dungeon. Each dungeon has say 5 keys, 5, puzzles, a compass, a map, 1 big key, possibly a miniboss, and a boss. Each boss usually has some sort of weak spot like a rediculously huge eye which you use to weaken it, and then you use whatever new weopon you have to beat the crap out of it while its down. On the way to the dungeon there are all sorts of hidden stuff, like hearts, and fairy's which will raise your stats. It is possible to avoid the plotline and do several sidequets, ultimately the game is linear because all these sidequests do is further yu into beating the game, and or make the final boss easier to beat. like oot and mm getting biggorons sword makes Ganon alot easier, and getting the fierce deity mask makes majora pathetic(conversely not having the fierce deity mask makes majora super hard!)
Post by: Kairon on December 02, 2006, 05:23:13 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
how hard is the concept of gated access?
all zelda is is a game where you travel city to city. Each city has a nearby dungeon, which you can only access
by using an item you earned in the previous dungeon. Each dungeon has say 5 keys, 5, puzzles, a compass, a map, 1 big key, possibly a miniboss, and a boss. Each boss usually has some sort of weak spot like a rediculously huge eye which you use to weaken it, and then you use whatever new weopon you have to beat the crap out of it while its down. On the way to the dungeon there are all sorts of hidden stuff, like hearts, and fairy's which will raise your stats. It is possible to avoid the plotline and do several sidequets, ultimately the game is linear because all these sidequests do is further yu into beating the game, and or make the final boss easier to beat. like oot and mm getting biggorons sword makes Ganon alot easier, and getting the fierce deity mask makes majora pathetic(conversely not having the fierce deity mask makes majora super hard!)
The concept isn't hard. What's hard is competing against an established, High Quality "Genre King" franchise. When everyone can achieve the concept (and many games do Gated Access perfectly well), then execution becomes one of your only methods of distinguishing your game from the rest of the crowded market, and thus it becomes so much harder to succeed.
See: Blue Ocean.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Keldryn on December 02, 2006, 05:40:41 AM
Having spent about 25 hours playing Twilight Princess on the Wii, I can say that Okami would have been even better on the Wii than it was on the PS2. Loading times would probably be a lot faster too. Okami definitely draws a lot of inspiration from the Zelda series, but has enough unique qualities to make it a game unto itself. Quality-wise, it's as close to the Zelda games as any non-Zelda game of this genre has achieved.
The original Alundra on the PlayStation was an excellent game. The sequel wasn't. Alundra was frustratingly difficult in places -- while it did have some very challenging puzzles, a lot of the difficulty, like Landstalker before it, came from performing jumps in that isometric view. It was really, really hard to get some of those jumps right, due to the viewing angle.
The first Dark Cloud was a very tedious and repetitive game, and the whole "water meter" was annoying. The second game is pretty good, but the dungeons can get repetitive quickly. It's still no Zelda, that's for sure.
Post by: ryancoke on December 04, 2006, 07:01:25 AM
Post by: ThePerm on December 04, 2006, 10:52:49 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on December 04, 2006, 11:38:09 AM
